[02:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it just me or is the contacts stuff in plasma-netbook broken in natty?
[02:03] <ScottK> Dunno.  Didn't try it.
[02:03] <apachelogger> the contacts runner for that matter also seems to yield no search results
[02:03]  * apachelogger smells incompability
[02:06] <ScottK> Does seem to be some variation of broken
[02:07] <apachelogger> fortunately enough it is very debugable and throws loads of debug output
[02:07] <apachelogger> not
[02:08] <apachelogger> -.-
[02:08]  * apachelogger wants to get rid of install-something-to-get-better-experience notifications for natty
[02:08] <apachelogger> annoying^3
[02:08] <ScottK> I wonder if it's only meant to work with kdepim 4.6?
[02:09] <ScottK> Gotta go.
[02:09] <apachelogger> there surely is something fishy with the combination of akonadi and kdepimlibs
[02:10] <apachelogger> according to kdepimlibs debug output the addressbook file gets loaded and everything
[02:10] <apachelogger> so either the plasma side of things messes up or there is an incompability between kdepimlibs and akonadi and plasma happens to expose it
[02:10] <apachelogger> also solid apparently has threading problems
[02:11] <apachelogger> or maybe it is plasma that does bogus threading
[02:11] <apachelogger> ...
[02:11] <apachelogger> tries to move parented objects to another thread
[02:11] <apachelogger> scary amount of debug output that generates
[02:11] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[02:11] <apachelogger> bed time
[02:13] <apachelogger> oh
[02:13] <apachelogger> and clicking a bookmark while rekonq is open does not give rekonq focus
[02:13] <apachelogger> splendid
[02:13] <apachelogger> half the sal is utterly broken
[02:13] <apachelogger> lovely
[02:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz try plasma-netbook and fix0r focus problems when rekonq is open and one clicks on a bookmark in the sal
[02:14] <apachelogger> nini
[02:37] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck you there?
[02:38] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck just curious as to what things need updating/etc in nattty
[02:46] <jjesse> how many paid canonical employees work on kuubuntu?
[03:24] <c2tarun> there is a report of kdenetwork package failed to build from source on this link http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ but the same version is in repository. How?
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> the current version in the archive seems to have failed too
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: one one
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> *only one.
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: AFAIK whats on the ToDo
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: as far as docs go.
[05:34] <DarkwingDuck> I finally got this week out of the way.
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'll be back in a couple hours.
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I dont' know if you are awake at the moment but, if I don't catch you today I'll be on tomorrow evening.
[05:37] <c2tarun> JontheEchidna: If the current version in archive also failed, than how is it in archive? I mean how can a package be uploaded in archive when it is failed?
[06:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: We should discuss it with notmart in #plasma-netbook.
[08:41] <bambee> morning
[09:19] <eMyller> weird
[09:19] <eMyller> any ideas why gtk appearance settings doesn't take effect anymore?
[09:19] <eMyller> or is it just me? [hope so]
[09:27] <eMyller> nvm, just like i suspected..
[09:27] <eMyller> somehow, that sh that comes in .kde/env isn't shipped anymore...
[09:27] <eMyller> had to create it manually.
[09:27] <eMyller> gonna test
[09:51] <eMyller> if anyone else needs the info: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115432.0
[09:51] <eMyller> :)
[10:25] <markey> apachelogger: I have the feeling I still have this Render graphics backend enabled, after I had installed you KCM once. getting all sorts of weird rendering bugs
[10:25] <markey> how to disable that manually?
[10:25] <markey> s/you/your
[10:25] <markey> at least with Intel Graphics, Render is shit
[10:25] <markey> only makes things worse
[10:29] <eMyller> btw, what happened to intel gfx support?
[10:29] <markey> I dunno
[10:29] <eMyller> it's working like $*%& since 4.6 :(
[10:29] <markey> but with Core i7, where the GPU is integrated in the CPU, it works pretty well now with KWin from KDE 4.6
[10:29] <markey> fast enough
[10:30] <markey> Render does not improve anything
[10:30] <eMyller> it's fast here too; but the rendering is too lazy
[10:30] <markey> in fact I wonder what the point of it is, if it's half broken
[10:30] <eMyller> i have to move things to get screen updates lol
[10:30] <markey> yeah
[10:30] <markey> what the heck
[10:30] <markey> I mean...
[10:30] <mgraesslin> don't use raster!
[10:30] <markey> wait
[10:31] <markey> stop
[10:31] <markey> I meant *Raster*
[10:31] <markey> args
[10:31] <markey> typo!
[10:31] <markey> Raster is totally borked and useless
[10:31] <eMyller> markey: but that's with opengl only; xrender works fine with a few effects
[10:31] <markey> OpenGL works fine with latest Intel GMA
[10:32] <markey> anyway, I don't see the point of Raster
[10:32] <mgraesslin> eMyller: correction: that's only with OpenGL by Intel and graphicssystem Raster
[10:32] <markey> it breaks all sorts of things
[10:32] <eMyller> mgraesslin: did anything change beyond kde from scs 4.5 to 4.6?
[10:32] <markey> mgraesslin: btw, too bad that you had to refuse the offer, but it seems you already have a really cool job
[10:32] <eMyller> it worked perfectly in 4.5 times
[10:33] <mgraesslin> markey: I did not refuse, I just said that I need to more time to see where nokia is heading
[10:33] <markey> with Raster, menus don't draw properly, and such things
[10:33] <markey> mgraesslin: oooh. Steven told it a bit differently
[10:33] <markey> maybe I misunderstood
[10:33] <markey> or he did
[10:34] <markey> anyway, I personally really recommend accepting such an offer, or at least coming for an interview
[10:34] <markey> then they can tell you more
[10:34] <mgraesslin> "Now I need some more time to let the dust settle and to see the path Nokia is taking and whether I would still fit into it. Due to my current contract this means that the earliest possible time point where I can switch jobs is July."
[10:35] <markey> ah ok
[10:35] <mgraesslin> I really wouldn't switch jobs if I don't know if they start to lay off people
[10:35] <mgraesslin> as that would hit me first - young, no family, fresh in company...
[10:35] <markey> at any rate: to be honest, getting into that team is the chance of a lifetime. if Nokia guys want to get in it, they have to endure a hardcore "Assessment"
[10:35] <markey> it's an elite team
[10:36] <markey> basically, you can only get a job with a recommendation
[10:37] <mgraesslin> there's currently just too little information around to get an unbiased view on things
[10:37] <mgraesslin> I would never work for MS - neither direct nor indirect
[10:38] <mgraesslin> so if Qt development gets stalled, I would have to switch jobs again
[10:38] <markey> that is exactly why my boss now changed his strategy, he tries to call potential employees on the phone, and then tries to explain a bit what we are doing
[10:38] <markey> which is difficult, because it's secret
[10:38] <markey> so that is also hard for him
[10:38] <mgraesslin> yeah I can understand
[10:38] <mgraesslin> and getting an NDA before talking about a job offer...
[10:38] <markey> no, he would tell you without NDA
[10:39] <markey> at least outlining some things
[10:39] <markey> if you actually interview, you have to sign the NDA
[10:40] <markey> hiring is really complicated due to all of these factors :)
[10:41] <mgraesslin> yeah sounds so :-)
[10:42] <eMyller> gtg
[10:45] <apachelogger> markey: rm ~/.kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh
[10:45] <markey> apachelogger: thx!
[10:46] <apachelogger> markey: btw, it is not raster that is broken, it is applications doing shit
[10:47] <markey> ah
[10:47] <markey> well
[10:47] <markey> or libraries
[10:47] <markey> if menus are not painted correctly...
[10:47] <apachelogger> yeah, whatever has paintaing code :D
[10:47] <markey> it can hardly be the app's fault
[10:47] <markey> it's Oxygen, I guess
[10:48]  * apachelogger notes that menu paintaing problems sounds more like X11 *sing*
[10:48] <markey> nah
[10:48] <markey> it always worked fine
[10:48] <markey> until I installed you KCM
[10:48] <markey> that borked it all :p
[10:48] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: column tiling on 2 screens behaves a bit oddly
[10:48] <markey> a Bork-KCM
[10:48] <mgraesslin> with Intel we have heard problems about menus not working since around 4.5
[10:49] <apachelogger> markey: meanwhile you upgraded to KDE 4.6...
[10:49] <mgraesslin> that means since about Mesa 7.8
[10:49] <markey> at any rate, I blame apachelogger 
[10:49] <markey> that works well
[10:49] <apachelogger> *nod*
[10:49] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: you mean quick tiling?
[10:50] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: the window placement tiling thing
[10:50] <ejat> apachelogger:  ubuntuone-client-kde ? 
[10:50] <apachelogger> in the advanced settings
[10:50] <mgraesslin> ah yes I think it does not support multi screen
[10:51] <apachelogger> ejat: I have a partnership with dropbox, they pay me to not do it
[10:51] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: works surprisingly well then :D
[10:51] <apachelogger> just insists on moving windows to the second screen
[10:52] <ejat> ouch .. 
[11:01] <jussi> yippee... my kde is doing strange things
[11:01] <jussi> All the menu's have started to appear from the top of the screen down - instead of out of the plasma panel. its rather funny
[11:02] <jussi> anyone else got similar things with 4.6 from the PPA?
[11:13] <markey> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/S0BtP.jpg
[11:13] <markey> ^ this
[11:13] <markey> ;)
[11:13] <jussi> markey: right...
[11:13] <mgraesslin> lol
[11:13] <markey> hehe
[11:14] <ejat> lol
[11:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think kdepimlibs is defunct
[11:35] <apachelogger> krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: preferredEmail is empty!!!!!!!!!
[11:35] <apachelogger> krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: ()
[11:35] <apachelogger> the last line should regardless of preferred email list at least one
[11:36] <apachelogger> yet it is empty
[11:37] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[11:37] <apachelogger> actually there is also an old addressee name shown
[11:37] <apachelogger> very interesting
[11:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: at any rate there is a dependency problem, the contacts feature depends on plasma-runners-addons to work it would appear, yet that is not part of the seed
[11:38] <apachelogger> also I do not think seeding it woudl be a good idea as it includes a billion billion things
[11:39] <apachelogger> maybe we should split the contacts thing out and seed it + turn it off by default in krunner (thus preventing akonadi startup at login)
[11:39] <apachelogger> on the desktop that is, on the netbook the sal should still start the runner I presume :D
[11:46] <apachelogger> hm
[11:46] <apachelogger> possibly my setup is busted ^^
[11:47] <jussi> for anyone interested in what my issue looks like: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/20/plasma-desktopDU2357.jpg
[11:48]  * apachelogger blames lancelot
[11:49] <apachelogger> :O
[11:49] <apachelogger> WTF
[11:49] <apachelogger> anyone with a somewhat clean setup around?
[11:49] <apachelogger> ideally natty
[11:50] <mgraesslin> jussi: try changing the size of the panel
[11:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: could you check if your default address book kresource is an akonadi one
[11:53] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: is a vcard resource here
[11:53] <apachelogger> thx
[11:53] <apachelogger> this is all wrong
[11:53] <mgraesslin> but I have two resources: an Adress Book and personal contacts
[11:54] <mgraesslin> personal contacts is completely empty
[11:54] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:54] <apachelogger> there is something fckd big time
[11:54] <apachelogger> for one I would say that the kresource should be an akonadi agent
[11:55] <apachelogger> for another the current setup cannot work at all, as the default akonadi addressbook agent is a directory based one targetting .local/share/contacts whereas the kresource wants .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf
[11:55] <apachelogger> no krake when you need him
[11:56] <mgraesslin> you will be shipping kontact 4.4 in natty?
[11:56]  * apachelogger shall lure him with beer to some cafe and then flood him with verbose apachelogger debug messages about broken kdepim stuff ^^
[11:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: yes
[11:56]  * mgraesslin is also still on 4.4
[11:56] <apachelogger> not that the issue would be related to that though :)
[11:56] <apachelogger> that is pure kdepimlibs mess
[11:56] <mgraesslin> on my laptop I have a master build which refuses to start at all
[11:57] <apachelogger> kdepim master likes to do that ^^ :D
[11:57] <apachelogger> :S
[11:57]  * apachelogger pokes his akonadi a bit
[11:59] <apachelogger> great
[11:59] <apachelogger> for me akonadi actually refuses to write anything to .local/share/contacts
[12:00] <mgraesslin> mine is in .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf
[12:00] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: akonadi?
[12:01] <mgraesslin> the address book
[12:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, which setup :D
[12:01] <apachelogger> only the kresources or akonadi too?
[12:01] <mgraesslin> erm you ask questions
[12:01] <apachelogger> not my fault that their architecture is all fiddly ;)
[12:02] <mgraesslin> that's also the one linked in the KCM
[12:02] <apachelogger> hm
[12:02] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: could you make a screenshot please :)
[12:03]  * apachelogger has a broken something as kres migrator always wants to migrate at every kdepimlibs app startup \o/
[12:03] <apachelogger> I have a million million akonadi resources :D
[12:03] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopfl2702
[12:04] <mgraesslin> and akonadi: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopjn2702
[12:04] <apachelogger> right, I have roughly the same 
[12:05] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: supposedly personal contacts is a directory resource and address book a file resource?
[12:05] <jussi> mgraesslin: that worked! thanks!
[12:05] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: yes exactly
[12:07] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[12:08] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: if you provide a package for kwin-gles it would also be available to desktop users, right?
[12:09] <apachelogger> my best guess: akonadi by default will want the contacts thing, then kres-migrator comes along and creates the file-based address book to bridge kresources to akonadi on storage level
[12:09] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: yes
[12:09] <apachelogger> *if*
[12:09]  * apachelogger needs to fiddle about with workspace master :S
[12:10] <mgraesslin> would be very intersting to get some real world usage before 4.7 as it is basically a new compositor
[12:10] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:10] <mgraesslin> especially as I want to remove the possibility to turn Compositing off :-P
[12:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, it is some kdepimlibs/akonadi problem, where kde has a file based sources by default and akonadi a directory based one
[12:11] <apachelogger> need to talk to my local kdepim dev about that
[12:12] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: lolwut?
[12:13]  * apachelogger wonders why plasma-netbook says that it wants to use a "system" qt graphics system
[12:16] <apachelogger> it worx
[12:16] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/MK7js.png
[12:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: doing a prezi clone in a qgraphicsscene should be pretty easy ^^
[12:22] <apachelogger> though something GLy could give better performance I suppose
[12:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: already found one - needs more work though - check my twitter and so on
[12:26] <c2tarun> there are some packages on this link https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html which dont have any problem in merging, still they are there. Why are they not merged automatically?
[12:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is not Qt though
[12:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: jep - still pretty good already
[12:27] <apachelogger> c2tarun: there is no such concept as automerges
[12:27] <Nightrose> just needs a few more features and polish
[12:27] <apachelogger> c2tarun: way too dangerous
[12:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: there is also a gsoc idea for that for calligra
[12:27] <Nightrose> i totally want someone to do that (hint hint :P)
[12:28] <apachelogger> c2tarun: whenever there is need for a merge there is also need to reevaluate the whole situation of carrying a delta to debian at all and what not
[12:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: not gonna do calligra :P
[12:28] <c2tarun> apachelogger: and what if there is no delta?
[12:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe shadeslayer wants to
[12:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pffft ;-)
[12:28] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ^  
[12:28] <apachelogger> c2tarun: like for example?
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also go fix plasma-netbook bookmarks && rekonq focus problem
[12:29]  * Nightrose goes and fixes her thesis instead
[12:29] <c2tarun> apachelogger: by deltas I mean conflicts. There are many in which there are no conflicts like sbuild
[12:30] <apachelogger> delta != conflicts
[12:30] <apachelogger> the fact that the merge does not conflict does not say anythign about the need of the delta
[12:30] <apachelogger> or whether there really is no conflict
[12:30] <c2tarun> apachelogger: what are deltas exactly?
[12:31] <apachelogger> the difference
[12:31] <c2tarun> diff b/w what?
[12:31] <apachelogger> ubuntu and debian
[12:31] <apachelogger> it easily can happen that we have a patch and debian has a patch and they do the same but apply at different parts of the source
[12:31] <apachelogger> then there is no buildtime conflict
[12:31] <apachelogger> but at runtime you get funny results
[12:33] <c2tarun> apachelogger: can you help me please in looking on sbuild package. I am not getting exactly what are you trying to explain.
[12:34]  * apachelogger looks
[12:34] <apachelogger> DOES CANONICAL ACTUALLY HAVE SERVERS THAT SEND CORRECT MIMETYPES
[12:34] <apachelogger> good lawd in havn
[12:34] <apachelogger> bah
[12:34] <apachelogger> meh
[12:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[12:34] <apachelogger> ...
[12:34] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:34] <c2tarun> apachelogger: what happend?
[12:35] <apachelogger> moc sending shitty mimetypes
[12:35] <apachelogger> also
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> kompare--
[12:35] <apachelogger> also
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35] <apachelogger> chromium--
[12:35]  * apachelogger should file archive removal requests for shitty software really
[12:36] <apachelogger> c2tarun: https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.8-1ubuntu2.patch
[12:36] <apachelogger> that is the different from us to debian
[12:37] <apachelogger> now while there are no merge conflicts it might be that our changes to e.g. lib/Sbuild/ResolverBase.pm are no longer necessary
[12:37] <c2tarun> apachelogger: it is the patch that was applied to earlier version of debian to convert it to ubuntu? am i right?
[12:37] <apachelogger> c2tarun: suppose so, kompare does not want me to see that information
[12:38] <apachelogger> shitty software tends to get in my way
[12:38] <apachelogger> c2tarun: yes, that is the diff between the original base of ubuntu2 and ubuntu2 (i.e. the current sbuild package)
[12:39] <apachelogger> https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.9-1ubuntu1.patch
[12:39] <apachelogger> that is the automerge diff
[12:40] <apachelogger> i.e. what needs to be applied to the most recent debian version to reach the re-merged ubuntu version
[12:41] <apachelogger> here you need to check that a) nothing was merged incorrectly b) things that are no longer necessary get dropped c) that this new diff does not introduce runtime problems
[12:41] <apachelogger> like this change in sbuild-createchroot
[12:42] <apachelogger> maybe in an act of madness someone duplicated the installation of debfoster somewhere (in the debian version of the package) essentially rendering our current diff for sbuild-createchroot useless
[12:42] <apachelogger> pingged out ^^
[12:48] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[12:50] <apachelogger> c2tarun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569601/
[12:52] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[12:53] <apachelogger> c2tarun: pong
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: hey ... :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: i was actually thinking of porting systemwide network management to KAuth
[13:04] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: booooooring :D
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:04] <Nightrose> but oh well - then i'll have to find someone else to do the prezi clone
[13:04] <Nightrose> any takers?
[13:05] <shadeslayer> what's prezi anyways :P
[13:05]  * shadeslayer googles
[13:05] <Nightrose> it's a cool new presentation software
[13:05] <Nightrose> but proprietary and all kinds of meh
[13:06] <Nightrose> there is a free software clone being worked on
[13:06] <Nightrose> and there is a gsoc idea to make this happen with calligra
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:06] <shadeslayer> nice
[13:06]  * shadeslayer doesn't use office suite's alot ...
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Google Docs does the job for me
[13:07] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[13:07] <nigelb> prezi is awesome shadeslayer 
[13:07] <Nightrose> the existing one is nice but lacking features and polish
[13:07] <apachelogger> c2tarun: pong
[13:07] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah ... :D
[13:07] <c2tarun> apachelogger: sorry I got disconnected, its raining so net problem :(
[13:08] <nigelb> c2tarun: Delhi?
[13:08] <apachelogger> net problems when raining? 
[13:08] <apachelogger> what sort of rain is that? :O
[13:08] <c2tarun> nigelb: yup :) you too?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> oman
[13:08] <nigelb> nah, heard about the raining
[13:08] <shadeslayer> this looks awesome
[13:08] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: told ya
[13:08]  * apachelogger needs more usb hubs
[13:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger: acid rain ;)
[13:08] <nigelb> apachelogger: its more like, what sort of net connection is that.  And yes, its normal ;)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yeah the interwebz get's affected by rain
[13:10] <shadeslayer> i think the only way i'm ever going to get off IRC is when a freenode staff memer klines me
[13:10] <nigelb> that can be arranged ;)
[13:10] <jussi> that can be arranged---
[13:10] <jussi> LOL
[13:10]  * nigelb ^5 jussi 
[13:10] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[13:10] <shadeslayer> s/memer/member
[13:11]  * apachelogger likes jussi
[13:11] <ari-tczew> apachelogger, Riddell: what do you think about remove kdetv from archive? bug 322470
[13:11] <c2tarun> apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not?
[13:11] <apachelogger> something makes my kded4 go wild on the cpu
[13:11] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:11] <apachelogger> this linux business is sorta ...
[13:12] <nigelb> jussi: hey, there was this feature for the -meeting bot that would update the topic
[13:12] <nigelb> jussi: is there a reason it isn't working these days?
[13:12] <c2tarun> apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not?
[13:12] <apachelogger> something like that
[13:13] <apachelogger> also runtime testing is a good idea
[13:13] <jussi> nigelb: yes. google cal and recurring events are nasty. feel free, to patch it. 
[13:13] <nigelb> jussi: oh, ew.  Recurring events *are* nasty.
[13:13] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, runtime testing means? building the package on pbuilder?
[13:13] <apachelogger> no
[13:13] <apachelogger> that is build time testing :P
[13:13] <c2tarun> apachelogger: then what is runtime testing?
[13:13] <apachelogger> runtime is actually checking that sbuild still works as expected ;)
[13:14] <c2tarun> ohh... :) sure i'll
[13:15] <c2tarun> sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before?
[13:15]  * apachelogger hates software so very much
[13:15] <shadeslayer> !quilt
[13:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:16] <apachelogger> I am going to become singer
[13:16] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google quilt
[13:16] <kubotu> Results for quilt: 1. Quilt Magazine | Quiltmag: http://www.quiltmag.com/ | 2. Quilts from Overstock.com: Shop for Quilt Sets: http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Quilts/1984/subcat.html | 3. Modern quilters break the pattern: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/18/2658256/modern-quilters-break-the-pattern.html
[13:16] <apachelogger> show tunes or shit
[13:16] <shadeslayer> sigh
[13:16] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: man quilt
[13:16] <apachelogger> going to new york and play in cats or smth
[13:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: c2tarun is talking about merge
 sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[13:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ya I know how to apply that quilt one :( I was asking about merge one
[13:17]  * apachelogger is talking about how kded4 eats 12% cpu for no good reason
[13:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:17] <shadeslayer> patch -p1 ?
[13:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what after -p? patchname?
[13:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: weren't you building a front end to zsync?
[13:18] <apachelogger> great
[13:18] <shadeslayer> nigelb: abandoned
[13:18] <apachelogger> afiestas__: for some reason bluedevil apparently ate my kded4?
[13:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: oh, why? :(
[13:18] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: patch -p1<patchname
[13:18] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: saw my question a few minutes ago here?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> nigelb: can't remember, would be a nice project for conf.kde.in tho 
[13:19] <nigelb> shadeslayer: hrm :)
[13:20] <shadeslayer> mmmm ... pakora's in the rain are awesome ^_^
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: afaik only archive admins can remove packages
[13:20] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: yes but I'm asking for feedback as kubuntu developer
[13:21] <ari-tczew> err, asking kubuntu developers
[13:21] <ari-tczew> not me as kubuntu developer
[13:21] <shadeslayer> well ... it *does* look it's been abandoned
[13:22]  * apachelogger sees no questions
[13:22] <apachelogger> does it have to do with butterflies?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Updated:  Aug 6 2006
[13:22] <shadeslayer> yikes
[13:22] <ari-tczew> we have still a winter!
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: looks good to be kicked out of the archive
[13:25] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: yes
[13:26] <c2tarun> when I am trying to apply the patch I am getting this message "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] n"
[13:27] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: patch was applied in the past, I guess
[13:28] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: but apachelogger told that this patch was automatically generated for merge. This is the patch b/w the previous two versions. How can it be applied?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> why can't i target the bug to natty alpha 3
[13:28] <shadeslayer> weird
[13:29] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: what are you doing right now?
[13:29] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: waiting for reply
[13:30] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I am trying to merge sbuild.
[13:30] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I'm asking what are you patching?
[13:30] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: do you use patches created by MoM?
[13:30] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: yup
[13:31] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: it;s wrong
[13:31] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: MoM creates patches only for looking, not for patching.
[13:31] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: than what should I do for merging the packages which dont have any conflicts?
[13:32] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: let me look into sbuild case
[13:32] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, I'll wait :)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather Gurgaon, India
[13:35] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: in sbuild case, you have to only get into grabbed sbuild-0.60.9 directory and run 'dch -e' completing information
[13:36] <ari-tczew> so yes, this one is pretty easy to do
[13:36] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: is there any other package with no conflict, but some work to do. I just want to learn how to merge packages with no conflict
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubotu is broken, he doesn't have the weather plugin
[13:37] <shadeslayer> kthxbai
[13:37] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: "learn how to merge packages with no conflict" - but what do you want to learn if MoM creates package for you?
[13:38] <ari-tczew> if you want to learn more about merging, you have to touch more complex packages
[13:38] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually it was written in report to compare the patches and look for unexpected chagnes. I didn't understand what are unexpected changes? and can you name some complex packages?
[13:40] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: e.g. blank line added at the end of d/changelog is unexpected change.
[13:40] <ari-tczew> it has been added by MoM and it's a bug
[13:41] <ari-tczew> sometimes debuild will do some changes in .po files and these are not expected changes as well
[13:42] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I guess po files are for multiple language support? What changes in them can be any unexpected change? I mean it only contains the translations
[13:44] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I can't explain in details why these changes occur, but if you didn't on .po files and you see some of them in diff, it's wrong
[13:45] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, and you were saying something about more complex packages? Can you please name some.
[13:46] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: complex merges mean that they are not easy to merge. you need to review changes very scrupulously because some of them could be fixed in Debian another way or maybe upstream has fixed it.
[13:47] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok may be someday i'll encounter with one :) and one more thing can you please look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/569478/
[13:47] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: if you're looking for examples of complex merges, look on revisions ubuntu10 or more
[13:48] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I was trying to work on mathgl package in morning, there is this confict.
[13:48] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: The most complex package is  grub 0.97-29ubuntu60 I heard that BlackZ is going to merge it, but IMO it's naive. ;)
[13:49] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: there are these two lines in debian/python* file. Technically both lines will do fine. First one is of ubuntu and second one is of debian, which one should I include?
[13:51] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: I'm not python expert, you have to ask someone else. Maybe ScottK ?
[13:53] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I thnk the lines have not to do much with python, *-packages is replaced by dist-packages, I tested both lines are working fine. Second line is more verbose. 
[13:53] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: but I'm still afraid that you don't understand how it works (merging).
[13:53] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: well sorry :( but is there anything I said wrong? I mean why do you think I dont understand merging?
[13:55] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Don't be afraid, not everyone is perfect at the start.
[13:56] <ScottK> c2tarun: *-packages should be fine.  It's needed in Debian because they still have python2.5 which installed stuff in site-packages.  We just have 2.6+ which only uses dist-packages.  If there are other changes in the package, it's OK to keep that change, but if that's the only change from Debian, it can propably be sync'ed.
[13:56] <ScottK> (I say that without knowing the specifics, so be careful to double check *-packages is doing the right thing).
[13:56] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: You should look on patches created by MoM which changes are in Ubuntu and compare with patch which changes are in Debian. Maybe some from out delta have been included in Debian?
[13:57] <c2tarun> ScottK: well the native debian version failed to build on natty, so I think we cannot sync.
[13:57] <ScottK> OK.
[13:59] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually what I understand of merging is sometimes packages of debian dont build on natty machine, so we need to make some changes to make it work on ubuntu. When debian includes a new version, than we try to apply the same patch on this new version and look for the conflicts. If there are any we remove them and than merge. Am I right?
[14:00] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: quite yes
[14:00] <ScottK> c2tarun: It's not just building.  There are other changes we have for better integration in Ubuntu, branding, etc.
[14:01] <c2tarun> ScottK: that I didnt know, I thought branding was completely controlled by upstream.
[14:01] <ScottK> The goal is to minimize the difference with Debian, so an important part of merging is making sure relevant changes have all been sent back to Debian for them to incorporate in their package.
[14:02] <ScottK> c2tarun: It depends.  In Kubuntu we don't change it much, but we do have a few changes.  Ubuntu changes branding stuff very heavily.
[14:02] <c2tarun> ScottK: how can we sent our changes back to debian?
[14:02] <ScottK> If it's a change that's relvant to Debian, the usual was is to file a bug in the Debian BTS.
[14:02] <ScottK> Since you're just getting started, it's best to check if a change is relevant to Debian or not.
[14:02] <c2tarun> ScottK: ok.
[14:03] <ScottK> As an example, *-packages to dist-packages isn't something Debian would want yet since they still support python2.5.
[14:10] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: can you please take a look on this upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbuild/+bug/722159
[14:13] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Revision info in d/changelog is wrong. Look on revision 0.60.8-1ubuntu1 how it looks.
[14:17] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok so the entry should be just like the one in ubuntu1 and not from ubuntu2. I understood it wrong, I thought we have to mention the latest change we carried.
[14:24] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok, I fixed that, Can you please take a look again.
[14:40] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Now looks fine, but coolbhavi is looking on it.
[14:41] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: Ya i just saw :)
[14:43] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: btw. Why do you use name by CAPS LOCK?
[14:43] <ari-tczew> can't you use it normal as everybody?
[14:44] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: actually I did it by mistake when I was creating my gpg :( and it is being used since then
[14:44] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: could you fix it?
[14:45] <ari-tczew> There is no reason to scream in full name.
[14:45] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: sure I'll do that, but I dont know how?
[14:52] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~c2tarun/+edit
[14:53] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: and don't feel so bad with mistakes. Nobody has started work with 100 years expierence. I appreciate your time spent on Ubuntu development.
[14:55] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: Since we are very close to start Feature Freeze, you can't do a lot of merges because in general during Feature Freeze bugfixes only are welcome. I encourage you to spend time on fixing FTBFS with binutils-gold.
[14:59] <ScottK> ari-tczew and c2tarun:  Stuff like sbuild should be discussed on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu.  This channel is for Kubuntu development.
[14:59] <ari-tczew> ScottK: Agree.
[15:06] <c2tarun> ScottK: I'll keep that in mind :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> good news everyone, I think the migration doesn't go right because kres-migrator is part of kdepim-runtime thus stuck at 4.4
[16:10] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmm
[16:14] <apachelogger> why is my natty grub brown?
[16:18] <Daskreech> I thought grubs were kinda white?
[16:22] <apachelogger> not in natty
[16:22] <apachelogger> they make it aubergine
[16:22] <apachelogger> though it does not look aubergine at all
[16:23]  * apachelogger grabs the vim
[16:41]  * shadeslayer aliases vim to emacs
[16:41] <shadeslayer> nano too
[16:43] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart shadeslayer
[16:43]  * kubotu tickles shadeslayer until they wet their pants and pass out
[16:44] <shadeslayer> *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*
[16:57] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kubuntu-netbook-with-blue-grub.mp4
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you surely want to reboot and look at a blue grub right now? 
[17:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i haz maverick .. and black grub ...
[17:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/06_kubuntu_theme
[17:02] <shadeslayer> oic
[17:02] <apachelogger> dump into /etc/grub.d and run sudo update-grub
[17:02] <apachelogger> should work on mav too
[17:02]  * apachelogger is not quite sure if the blue is good enough
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ok rebooting
[17:04] <apachelogger> or not :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does not work
[17:07] <apachelogger> neither does it here
[17:07] <apachelogger> probably only works on natty indeed
[17:07] <apachelogger> though I recall there was a way to do it on mav too
[17:07] <apachelogger> well
[17:08] <apachelogger> nvm
[17:08] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[17:08] <shadeslayer> i'm on grub for a fraction of a second
[17:08] <shadeslayer> so don't care
[17:13] <apachelogger> krunner(3044)/kresources: Akonadi migration failed! 
[17:14] <apachelogger> yet that stupid bast0rd throw a dialog at me saying it was successful
[17:22] <apachelogger> this kres migratoin business is completely b0rked
[17:26] <apachelogger> eh
[17:26] <apachelogger> this is simply amazing
[17:26] <apachelogger> new account
[17:26] <apachelogger> kres-migrator gets kicked off
[17:26] <apachelogger> tries to migrate std.vcf
[17:27] <apachelogger> fails as this of course does not exist on a new account
[17:27] <apachelogger> yet it creats a vcard akonadi agent
[17:27] <apachelogger> with *no* path to a vcard
[17:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: what version are we going to ship?
[17:27] <apachelogger> afiestas: on maverick that was
[17:27] <apachelogger> so rc4
[17:28] <apachelogger> alrighty, calendar resource has the very same problem
[17:28] <apachelogger> kres-migrator destroys more things than it migrates :O
[17:28] <apachelogger> any app that tries to access calendars or addressbook data via kdepimlibs rather than the akonadi foo gets no data
[17:29] <apachelogger> this is so super
[17:29]  * apachelogger goes for a smoke
[17:29] <afiestas> rc4 for natty?
[17:30] <apachelogger> no
[17:30] <apachelogger> maverick
[17:31] <apachelogger> no idea what natty will have
[17:31] <apachelogger> whatever is stable at the time I suppose :P
[17:31] <afiestas> apachelogger: so nothing? (ok ok bad joke :p)
[17:31] <afiestas> in kde-pim list people are saying that latest trunk work like a charm
[17:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: they said that about akonadi & kaddressbook
[17:32] <afiestas> KMail too
[17:32]  * apachelogger had multiple nervous breakdowns thanks to akonadi
[17:33] <apachelogger> it was about as unsuited for I-just-want-it-to-work-deployments as software can be
[17:33] <apachelogger> oh, well, if they had a binary plugin that one needs to compile manually it probably would have been worse
[17:35] <afiestas> sometimes I have this feeling that says: "Move to osx, you will have a good email client there..." (this whispered like a ghost)
[17:36] <apachelogger> afiestas: their's is not terribly convincing either
[17:36] <apachelogger> oh
[17:36] <apachelogger> great
[17:36] <apachelogger> gcc failed to build after a day of building on arm
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: could you randomly poke people until they are annoyed enough to fix gcc and KDE on arm
[17:37]  * apachelogger does not feel like messing around with that crap anymore
[17:42] <afiestas> apachelogger: it is fast, lightweight, and works :p
[17:43] <apachelogger> gmail does all of that and works without silly os :P
[17:45] <afiestas> and without threaded view :p (dunno if iMail has that)
[17:45] <apachelogger> probably doesn't
[17:45] <apachelogger> they surely have columns ^^
[17:56] <jussi> hrm, why does the meego sdk want to uninstall my kde? 
[17:58] <apachelogger> cause it is crap?
[17:59] <jussi> lol
[17:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: software upgrade notifications are issued too early, they always appear before plasma is up
[18:00] <apachelogger> looks like crap as they come up as the old unthemed knotify notifications
[18:04] <nigelb> jussi: because MS bought nokia? :-P
[18:05] <jussi> nigelb: meego is pretty much intel now tho
[18:05] <nigelb> jussi: yeah, I know.  I keep update with it :D
[18:08] <apachelogger> don't expect too much
[18:08] <apachelogger> intel wrote the multimedia pps
[18:08] <apachelogger> *apps
[18:08] <apachelogger> they are ewwwww
[18:09]  * apachelogger abandons hope for kdepim and watches doctor who
[18:19] <txwikinger> Can I boot into kubuntu live CD without starting the X system??
[18:21] <debfx> txwikinger: adding "single" to the boot parameters should work
[18:21] <txwikinger> debfx: Thanks
[19:10] <bambee> Riddell: if you've time enough this week, could you have a look at language-selector ? Changes have been applied
[21:23] <sheytan> Riddell ping
[21:23] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[21:25] <sheytan> Quintasan ping 
[21:25] <sheytan> no one? :D
[21:25] <Quintasan> sheytan: pong
[21:25] <sheytan> o
[21:25] <sheytan> yo
[21:25] <Quintasan> sup?
[21:25] <sheytan> could you tell me when the natty feature freeze is?
[21:25] <Quintasan> hmmm
[21:25] <Quintasan> 24th I think
[21:26] <sheytan> Feb?
[21:26] <Quintasan> yus
[21:26] <sheytan> damn
[21:26] <sheytan> Riddell i need ya!
[21:26] <Quintasan> pinging him once will suffice
[21:27] <sheytan> i know, but it's a important case
[21:30] <Daskreech> Doesn't mean saying his name here will get him to look any faster
[21:30] <Daskreech> perhaps a phone call?
[21:48] <bambee> A sunday evening... he's probably busy ;)
[23:17] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[23:34] <ecinx3> hi is there any vnc client that is real time? krdc behaves very slow, and i'm on lan
[23:36] <afiestas> ecinx3: even though with the lowest quality?
[23:40] <ecinx3> i put it on lan quality
[23:42] <ecinx3> and on the networking interface .. i just see 5,000KB/s traffic
[23:43] <ecinx3> when the connection is 100Mbit
[23:43] <ecinx3> wait, that's almost half
[23:44] <ecinx3> brb let  me look for my gbit switch see if it helps
[23:55] <afiestas> ecinx3: I'm not an vnc expert, but take a look at bugs.kde.org just in case somebody else is experiencing your problems