[02:03] ScottK: is it just me or is the contacts stuff in plasma-netbook broken in natty? [02:03] Dunno. Didn't try it. [02:03] the contacts runner for that matter also seems to yield no search results [02:03] * apachelogger smells incompability [02:06] Does seem to be some variation of broken [02:07] fortunately enough it is very debugable and throws loads of debug output [02:07] not [02:08] -.- [02:08] * apachelogger wants to get rid of install-something-to-get-better-experience notifications for natty [02:08] annoying^3 [02:08] I wonder if it's only meant to work with kdepim 4.6? [02:09] Gotta go. [02:09] there surely is something fishy with the combination of akonadi and kdepimlibs [02:10] according to kdepimlibs debug output the addressbook file gets loaded and everything [02:10] so either the plasma side of things messes up or there is an incompability between kdepimlibs and akonadi and plasma happens to expose it [02:10] also solid apparently has threading problems [02:11] or maybe it is plasma that does bogus threading [02:11] ... [02:11] tries to move parented objects to another thread [02:11] scary amount of debug output that generates [02:11] oh wellz [02:11] bed time [02:13] oh [02:13] and clicking a bookmark while rekonq is open does not give rekonq focus [02:13] splendid [02:13] half the sal is utterly broken [02:13] lovely [02:14] shadeslayer: plz try plasma-netbook and fix0r focus problems when rekonq is open and one clicks on a bookmark in the sal [02:14] nini [02:37] DarkwingDuck you there? [02:38] DarkwingDuck just curious as to what things need updating/etc in nattty [02:46] how many paid canonical employees work on kuubuntu? [03:24] there is a report of kdenetwork package failed to build from source on this link http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ but the same version is in repository. How? [03:36] the current version in the archive seems to have failed too [05:33] jjesse: one one [05:33] *only one. [05:33] jjesse: AFAIK whats on the ToDo [05:33] jjesse: as far as docs go. [05:34] I finally got this week out of the way. [05:35] jjesse: I'll be back in a couple hours. [05:35] jjesse: I dont' know if you are awake at the moment but, if I don't catch you today I'll be on tomorrow evening. [05:37] JontheEchidna: If the current version in archive also failed, than how is it in archive? I mean how can a package be uploaded in archive when it is failed? [06:19] apachelogger: We should discuss it with notmart in #plasma-netbook. [08:41] morning === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [09:19] weird [09:19] any ideas why gtk appearance settings doesn't take effect anymore? [09:19] or is it just me? [hope so] [09:27] nvm, just like i suspected.. [09:27] somehow, that sh that comes in .kde/env isn't shipped anymore... [09:27] had to create it manually. [09:27] gonna test [09:51] if anyone else needs the info: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115432.0 [09:51] :) [10:25] apachelogger: I have the feeling I still have this Render graphics backend enabled, after I had installed you KCM once. getting all sorts of weird rendering bugs [10:25] how to disable that manually? [10:25] s/you/your [10:25] at least with Intel Graphics, Render is shit [10:25] only makes things worse [10:29] btw, what happened to intel gfx support? [10:29] I dunno [10:29] it's working like $*%& since 4.6 :( [10:29] but with Core i7, where the GPU is integrated in the CPU, it works pretty well now with KWin from KDE 4.6 [10:29] fast enough [10:30] Render does not improve anything [10:30] it's fast here too; but the rendering is too lazy [10:30] in fact I wonder what the point of it is, if it's half broken [10:30] i have to move things to get screen updates lol [10:30] yeah [10:30] what the heck [10:30] I mean... [10:30] don't use raster! [10:30] wait [10:31] stop [10:31] I meant *Raster* [10:31] args [10:31] typo! [10:31] Raster is totally borked and useless [10:31] markey: but that's with opengl only; xrender works fine with a few effects [10:31] OpenGL works fine with latest Intel GMA [10:32] anyway, I don't see the point of Raster [10:32] eMyller: correction: that's only with OpenGL by Intel and graphicssystem Raster [10:32] it breaks all sorts of things [10:32] mgraesslin: did anything change beyond kde from scs 4.5 to 4.6? [10:32] mgraesslin: btw, too bad that you had to refuse the offer, but it seems you already have a really cool job [10:32] it worked perfectly in 4.5 times [10:33] markey: I did not refuse, I just said that I need to more time to see where nokia is heading [10:33] with Raster, menus don't draw properly, and such things [10:33] mgraesslin: oooh. Steven told it a bit differently [10:33] maybe I misunderstood [10:33] or he did [10:34] anyway, I personally really recommend accepting such an offer, or at least coming for an interview [10:34] then they can tell you more [10:34] "Now I need some more time to let the dust settle and to see the path Nokia is taking and whether I would still fit into it. Due to my current contract this means that the earliest possible time point where I can switch jobs is July." [10:35] ah ok [10:35] I really wouldn't switch jobs if I don't know if they start to lay off people [10:35] as that would hit me first - young, no family, fresh in company... [10:35] at any rate: to be honest, getting into that team is the chance of a lifetime. if Nokia guys want to get in it, they have to endure a hardcore "Assessment" [10:35] it's an elite team [10:36] basically, you can only get a job with a recommendation [10:37] there's currently just too little information around to get an unbiased view on things [10:37] I would never work for MS - neither direct nor indirect [10:38] so if Qt development gets stalled, I would have to switch jobs again [10:38] that is exactly why my boss now changed his strategy, he tries to call potential employees on the phone, and then tries to explain a bit what we are doing [10:38] which is difficult, because it's secret [10:38] so that is also hard for him [10:38] yeah I can understand [10:38] and getting an NDA before talking about a job offer... [10:38] no, he would tell you without NDA [10:39] at least outlining some things [10:39] if you actually interview, you have to sign the NDA [10:40] hiring is really complicated due to all of these factors :) [10:41] yeah sounds so :-) [10:42] gtg [10:45] markey: rm ~/.kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh [10:45] apachelogger: thx! [10:46] markey: btw, it is not raster that is broken, it is applications doing shit [10:47] ah [10:47] well [10:47] or libraries [10:47] if menus are not painted correctly... [10:47] yeah, whatever has paintaing code :D [10:47] it can hardly be the app's fault [10:47] it's Oxygen, I guess [10:48] * apachelogger notes that menu paintaing problems sounds more like X11 *sing* [10:48] nah [10:48] it always worked fine [10:48] until I installed you KCM [10:48] that borked it all :p [10:48] mgraesslin: column tiling on 2 screens behaves a bit oddly [10:48] a Bork-KCM [10:48] with Intel we have heard problems about menus not working since around 4.5 [10:49] markey: meanwhile you upgraded to KDE 4.6... [10:49] that means since about Mesa 7.8 [10:49] at any rate, I blame apachelogger [10:49] that works well [10:49] *nod* [10:49] apachelogger: you mean quick tiling? [10:50] mgraesslin: the window placement tiling thing [10:50] apachelogger: ubuntuone-client-kde ? [10:50] in the advanced settings [10:50] ah yes I think it does not support multi screen [10:51] ejat: I have a partnership with dropbox, they pay me to not do it [10:51] mgraesslin: works surprisingly well then :D [10:51] just insists on moving windows to the second screen [10:52] ouch .. [11:01] yippee... my kde is doing strange things [11:01] All the menu's have started to appear from the top of the screen down - instead of out of the plasma panel. its rather funny [11:02] anyone else got similar things with 4.6 from the PPA? [11:13] jussi: http://i.imgur.com/S0BtP.jpg [11:13] ^ this [11:13] ;) [11:13] markey: right... [11:13] lol [11:13] hehe [11:14] lol [11:35] ScottK: I think kdepimlibs is defunct [11:35] krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: preferredEmail is empty!!!!!!!!! [11:35] krunner(5762) ContactsRunner::match: () [11:35] the last line should regardless of preferred email list at least one [11:36] yet it is empty [11:37] oh oh oh [11:37] actually there is also an old addressee name shown [11:37] very interesting [11:38] ScottK: at any rate there is a dependency problem, the contacts feature depends on plasma-runners-addons to work it would appear, yet that is not part of the seed [11:38] also I do not think seeding it woudl be a good idea as it includes a billion billion things [11:39] maybe we should split the contacts thing out and seed it + turn it off by default in krunner (thus preventing akonadi startup at login) [11:39] on the desktop that is, on the netbook the sal should still start the runner I presume :D [11:46] hm [11:46] possibly my setup is busted ^^ [11:47] for anyone interested in what my issue looks like: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/02/20/plasma-desktopDU2357.jpg [11:48] * apachelogger blames lancelot [11:49] :O [11:49] WTF [11:49] anyone with a somewhat clean setup around? [11:49] ideally natty [11:50] jussi: try changing the size of the panel [11:52] mgraesslin: could you check if your default address book kresource is an akonadi one [11:53] apachelogger: is a vcard resource here [11:53] thx [11:53] this is all wrong [11:53] but I have two resources: an Adress Book and personal contacts [11:54] personal contacts is completely empty [11:54] yeah [11:54] there is something fckd big time [11:54] for one I would say that the kresource should be an akonadi agent [11:55] for another the current setup cannot work at all, as the default akonadi addressbook agent is a directory based one targetting .local/share/contacts whereas the kresource wants .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf [11:55] no krake when you need him [11:56] you will be shipping kontact 4.4 in natty? [11:56] * apachelogger shall lure him with beer to some cafe and then flood him with verbose apachelogger debug messages about broken kdepim stuff ^^ [11:56] mgraesslin: yes [11:56] * mgraesslin is also still on 4.4 [11:56] not that the issue would be related to that though :) [11:56] that is pure kdepimlibs mess [11:56] on my laptop I have a master build which refuses to start at all [11:57] kdepim master likes to do that ^^ :D [11:57] :S [11:57] * apachelogger pokes his akonadi a bit [11:59] great [11:59] for me akonadi actually refuses to write anything to .local/share/contacts [12:00] mine is in .kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf [12:00] mgraesslin: akonadi? [12:01] the address book [12:01] mgraesslin: well, which setup :D [12:01] only the kresources or akonadi too? [12:01] erm you ask questions [12:01] not my fault that their architecture is all fiddly ;) [12:02] that's also the one linked in the KCM [12:02] hm [12:02] mgraesslin: could you make a screenshot please :) [12:03] * apachelogger has a broken something as kres migrator always wants to migrate at every kdepimlibs app startup \o/ [12:03] I have a million million akonadi resources :D [12:03] apachelogger: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopfl2702 [12:04] and akonadi: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopjn2702 [12:04] right, I have roughly the same [12:05] mgraesslin: supposedly personal contacts is a directory resource and address book a file resource? [12:05] mgraesslin: that worked! thanks! [12:05] apachelogger: yes exactly [12:07] ok, thanks [12:08] apachelogger: if you provide a package for kwin-gles it would also be available to desktop users, right? [12:09] my best guess: akonadi by default will want the contacts thing, then kres-migrator comes along and creates the file-based address book to bridge kresources to akonadi on storage level [12:09] mgraesslin: yes [12:09] *if* [12:09] * apachelogger needs to fiddle about with workspace master :S [12:10] would be very intersting to get some real world usage before 4.7 as it is basically a new compositor [12:10] *nod* [12:10] especially as I want to remove the possibility to turn Compositing off :-P [12:11] ScottK: so, it is some kdepimlibs/akonadi problem, where kde has a file based sources by default and akonadi a directory based one [12:11] need to talk to my local kdepim dev about that [12:12] mgraesslin: lolwut? [12:13] * apachelogger wonders why plasma-netbook says that it wants to use a "system" qt graphics system [12:16] it worx [12:16] http://i.imgur.com/MK7js.png [12:21] Nightrose: doing a prezi clone in a qgraphicsscene should be pretty easy ^^ [12:22] though something GLy could give better performance I suppose [12:22] apachelogger: already found one - needs more work though - check my twitter and so on [12:26] there are some packages on this link https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html which dont have any problem in merging, still they are there. Why are they not merged automatically? [12:26] Nightrose: that is not Qt though [12:27] apachelogger: jep - still pretty good already [12:27] c2tarun: there is no such concept as automerges [12:27] just needs a few more features and polish [12:27] c2tarun: way too dangerous [12:27] apachelogger: there is also a gsoc idea for that for calligra [12:27] i totally want someone to do that (hint hint :P) [12:28] c2tarun: whenever there is need for a merge there is also need to reevaluate the whole situation of carrying a delta to debian at all and what not [12:28] Nightrose: not gonna do calligra :P [12:28] apachelogger: and what if there is no delta? [12:28] Nightrose: maybe shadeslayer wants to [12:28] apachelogger: pffft ;-) [12:28] shadeslayer: ^ [12:28] c2tarun: like for example? [12:29] shadeslayer: also go fix plasma-netbook bookmarks && rekonq focus problem [12:29] * Nightrose goes and fixes her thesis instead [12:29] apachelogger: by deltas I mean conflicts. There are many in which there are no conflicts like sbuild [12:30] delta != conflicts [12:30] the fact that the merge does not conflict does not say anythign about the need of the delta [12:30] or whether there really is no conflict [12:30] apachelogger: what are deltas exactly? [12:31] the difference [12:31] diff b/w what? [12:31] ubuntu and debian [12:31] it easily can happen that we have a patch and debian has a patch and they do the same but apply at different parts of the source [12:31] then there is no buildtime conflict [12:31] but at runtime you get funny results [12:33] apachelogger: can you help me please in looking on sbuild package. I am not getting exactly what are you trying to explain. [12:34] * apachelogger looks [12:34] DOES CANONICAL ACTUALLY HAVE SERVERS THAT SEND CORRECT MIMETYPES [12:34] good lawd in havn [12:34] bah [12:34] meh [12:34] brrr [12:34] ... [12:34] -.- [12:34] apachelogger: what happend? [12:35] moc sending shitty mimetypes [12:35] also [12:35] kompare-- [12:35] kompare-- [12:35] kompare-- [12:35] also [12:35] chromium-- [12:35] chromium-- [12:35] chromium-- [12:35] * apachelogger should file archive removal requests for shitty software really [12:36] c2tarun: https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.8-1ubuntu2.patch [12:36] that is the different from us to debian [12:37] now while there are no merge conflicts it might be that our changes to e.g. lib/Sbuild/ResolverBase.pm are no longer necessary [12:37] apachelogger: it is the patch that was applied to earlier version of debian to convert it to ubuntu? am i right? [12:37] c2tarun: suppose so, kompare does not want me to see that information [12:38] shitty software tends to get in my way [12:38] c2tarun: yes, that is the diff between the original base of ubuntu2 and ubuntu2 (i.e. the current sbuild package) [12:39] https://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sbuild/sbuild_0.60.9-1ubuntu1.patch [12:39] that is the automerge diff [12:40] i.e. what needs to be applied to the most recent debian version to reach the re-merged ubuntu version [12:41] here you need to check that a) nothing was merged incorrectly b) things that are no longer necessary get dropped c) that this new diff does not introduce runtime problems [12:41] like this change in sbuild-createchroot [12:42] maybe in an act of madness someone duplicated the installation of debfoster somewhere (in the debian version of the package) essentially rendering our current diff for sbuild-createchroot useless [12:42] pingged out ^^ [12:48] apachelogger: ping [12:50] c2tarun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/569601/ [12:52] apachelogger: ping [12:53] c2tarun: pong [13:03] Nightrose: hey ... :) [13:04] Nightrose: i was actually thinking of porting systemwide network management to KAuth [13:04] shadeslayer: booooooring :D [13:04] :P [13:04] but oh well - then i'll have to find someone else to do the prezi clone [13:04] any takers? [13:05] what's prezi anyways :P [13:05] * shadeslayer googles [13:05] it's a cool new presentation software [13:05] but proprietary and all kinds of meh [13:06] there is a free software clone being worked on [13:06] and there is a gsoc idea to make this happen with calligra [13:06] ah [13:06] nice [13:06] * shadeslayer doesn't use office suite's alot ... [13:07] Google Docs does the job for me [13:07] apachelogger: ping [13:07] prezi is awesome shadeslayer [13:07] the existing one is nice but lacking features and polish [13:07] c2tarun: pong [13:07] nigelb: yeah ... :D [13:07] apachelogger: sorry I got disconnected, its raining so net problem :( [13:08] c2tarun: Delhi? [13:08] net problems when raining? [13:08] what sort of rain is that? :O [13:08] nigelb: yup :) you too? [13:08] oman [13:08] nah, heard about the raining [13:08] this looks awesome [13:08] shadeslayer: told ya [13:08] * apachelogger needs more usb hubs [13:08] apachelogger: acid rain ;) [13:08] apachelogger: its more like, what sort of net connection is that. And yes, its normal ;) [13:09] yeah the interwebz get's affected by rain [13:10] i think the only way i'm ever going to get off IRC is when a freenode staff memer klines me [13:10] that can be arranged ;) [13:10] that can be arranged--- [13:10] LOL [13:10] * nigelb ^5 jussi [13:10] hahah :D [13:10] s/memer/member [13:11] * apachelogger likes jussi [13:11] apachelogger, Riddell: what do you think about remove kdetv from archive? bug 322470 [13:11] apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not? [13:11] Launchpad bug 322470 in kdetv (Ubuntu) "Please remove package kdetv from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322470 [13:11] something makes my kded4 go wild on the cpu [13:11] groovy [13:11] this linux business is sorta ... [13:12] jussi: hey, there was this feature for the -meeting bot that would update the topic [13:12] jussi: is there a reason it isn't working these days? [13:12] apachelogger: so first I have to apply the auto generated patch to new debian version and then I have to build it and check whether it is building properly or not? [13:12] something like that [13:13] also runtime testing is a good idea [13:13] nigelb: yes. google cal and recurring events are nasty. feel free, to patch it. [13:13] jussi: oh, ew. Recurring events *are* nasty. [13:13] apachelogger: ok, runtime testing means? building the package on pbuilder? [13:13] no [13:13] that is build time testing :P [13:13] apachelogger: then what is runtime testing? [13:13] runtime is actually checking that sbuild still works as expected ;) [13:14] ohh... :) sure i'll [13:15] sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before? [13:15] * apachelogger hates software so very much [13:15] !quilt [13:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about quilt [13:15] oh [13:16] I am going to become singer [13:16] kubotu: google quilt [13:16] Results for quilt: 1. Quilt Magazine | Quiltmag: http://www.quiltmag.com/ | 2. Quilts from Overstock.com: Shop for Quilt Sets: http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Quilts/1984/subcat.html | 3. Modern quilters break the pattern: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/18/2658256/modern-quilters-break-the-pattern.html [13:16] show tunes or shit [13:16] sigh [13:16] c2tarun: man quilt [13:16] going to new york and play in cats or smth [13:16] shadeslayer: c2tarun is talking about merge [13:16] sorry but how to apply a patch, I never did that before? [13:16] apachelogger: ^^ [13:16] shadeslayer: ya I know how to apply that quilt one :( I was asking about merge one [13:17] * apachelogger is talking about how kded4 eats 12% cpu for no good reason [13:17] oh [13:17] patch -p1 ? [13:17] shadeslayer: what after -p? patchname? [13:18] shadeslayer: weren't you building a front end to zsync? [13:18] great [13:18] nigelb: abandoned [13:18] afiestas__: for some reason bluedevil apparently ate my kded4? [13:18] shadeslayer: oh, why? :( [13:18] c2tarun: patch -p1 apachelogger: saw my question a few minutes ago here? [13:19] nigelb: can't remember, would be a nice project for conf.kde.in tho [13:19] shadeslayer: hrm :) [13:20] mmmm ... pakora's in the rain are awesome ^_^ [13:20] ari-tczew: afaik only archive admins can remove packages [13:20] shadeslayer: yes but I'm asking for feedback as kubuntu developer [13:21] err, asking kubuntu developers [13:21] not me as kubuntu developer [13:21] well ... it *does* look it's been abandoned [13:22] * apachelogger sees no questions [13:22] does it have to do with butterflies? [13:22] Updated: Aug 6 2006 [13:22] yikes [13:22] we have still a winter! [13:25] ari-tczew: looks good to be kicked out of the archive [13:25] shadeslayer: yes [13:26] when I am trying to apply the patch I am getting this message "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] n" [13:27] c2tarun: patch was applied in the past, I guess [13:28] ari-tczew: but apachelogger told that this patch was automatically generated for merge. This is the patch b/w the previous two versions. How can it be applied? [13:28] why can't i target the bug to natty alpha 3 [13:28] weird [13:29] c2tarun: what are you doing right now? [13:29] ari-tczew: waiting for reply [13:30] ari-tczew: I am trying to merge sbuild. [13:30] c2tarun: I'm asking what are you patching? [13:30] c2tarun: do you use patches created by MoM? [13:30] ari-tczew: yup [13:31] c2tarun: it;s wrong [13:31] c2tarun: MoM creates patches only for looking, not for patching. [13:31] ari-tczew: than what should I do for merging the packages which dont have any conflicts? [13:32] c2tarun: let me look into sbuild case [13:32] ari-tczew: ok, I'll wait :) [13:35]