[00:00] <d1mania> any alternative browser ? not like this all known witch windows users using
[00:00] <holstein> midoria
[00:00] <holstein> midori
[00:00] <holstein> *
[00:00] <holstein> hehe, lynx ;)
[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> d1mania: What do you mean?
[00:00] <holstein> theres all kinds
[00:02] <holstein> d1mania: you can fire up synaptic
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> And Chromium is the open-source version of Chrome
[00:02] <holstein> and search web browsers
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> Or Ubuntu software center
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> And go to internet department
[00:04] <d1mania> I now where ubuntu software center is :) but any good reviews?
[00:05] <holstein> i like chromium
[00:05] <holstein> i think most linux folk use chrome or FF
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> d1mania: Reviews will be in software center of natty :P
[00:27] <ibuclaw> holstein, I dont!
[00:27] <ibuclaw> and I represent most of linux folk <g>
[00:33] <seidos> ibuclaw: what do you use?
[00:33] <ibuclaw> seidos, Firefox
[00:34] <seidos> FF = firefox?
[00:34]  * seidos winces and runs
[00:34] <ibuclaw> :D
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> seidos: Yes, FF = FireFox
[00:35]  * ibuclaw has been reading a lot of satirical books recently, so bare with him.
[00:36]  * seidos opens evince
[00:36] <seidos> what am i reading, anyway?  o_o
[03:44] <araxis> I have a question about memory useage if anyone is available
[03:45] <ddecator> there are people available. whether we'll have an answer for you is unknown until you ask the question :)
[03:45] <araxis> Sorry :-p
[03:45] <araxis> I recently set up a new system, it has 8gb ram... When I boot, it counts 8398mb, when I use the "free" command in the terminal it detects 8192mb
[03:46] <araxis> The system monitor says I have 7800mb ram
[03:46] <araxis> So what's the truth?
[03:46] <araxis> Or which one is correct?
[03:46] <ddecator> ...huh
[03:46] <araxis> Im also using a video card with 1gb ram, it's not an onboard card
[03:47] <ddecator> i'm not sure how each of those determines how much ram there is
[03:47] <araxis> Well in the free command part of it is supposed to report the amount of memory I thought
[03:48] <ddecator> it could be that free is showing how much ram is still available with everything running, but i'm not sure if that's how it works or not
[03:48] <araxis> Maybe my newbie retardedness is making my question over complicated...
[03:48] <ddecator> but the 7800mb seems strange
[03:48] <ddecator> araxis: no, i get what you're asking
[03:49] <araxis> Well the free command says mem: total, used, and free
[03:49] <araxis> The total is 8192mb
[03:49] <ddecator> i'm just not sure what the answer is unfortunately since i've never worked with these tools before
[03:49] <araxis> Oh, I see
[03:50] <araxis> Well I do have another question... Why did ubuntu make a damned 24gb swap partition? Does it go by a % of your hdd or something?
[03:51] <seidos> i believe swap is 1.5 ram
[03:51] <seidos> that would be 12gb
[03:51] <araxis> Oh ok, but wouldn't that have been 12 then?
[03:51] <araxis> I got 23.9gb swap lol
[03:51] <araxis> 0 of which is being used :-p
[03:52] <ddecator> yah, i think it does percent
[03:52] <araxis> It's a 1tb drive
[03:52] <ddecator> haha, that's probably why
[03:53] <seidos> weird
[03:53] <ddecator> i think you can adjust it manually during installation somehow, but i think it's set to use a larger space if the hdd is big enough to reasonably accomodate it
[03:53] <araxis> Yeah Im sure I had the opprtunity to adjust it, I just wanted to let it auto everything possible
[03:53] <araxis> Im a total Ubuntu rookie
[03:53] <araxis> I doubt Ill need that space anyhow, I just was curious WHY
[03:53] <araxis> (I don't download a lot of media or anything)
[03:54] <ddecator> by having a larger swap, it just helps ensure that your computer is always responsive
[03:54] <araxis> Nod
[03:54] <seidos> that's crazy though, what would use 24gb of pageable space?
[03:54] <araxis> I don't know, but to be honest, Im hoping my 8gb ram will make it so we wont find out
[03:54] <ddecator> nothing, but the installation was built for 1TB HDDs, haha
[03:54] <araxis> But 24gb swap is quite intense
[03:54] <ddecator> wasn't*
[03:55] <seidos> what about Watson?  :P
[03:55] <araxis> I guess it's good I didn't pop for the 2tb drive? I just assembled this bare bones kit
[03:55] <ddecator> they'll probably change how it's determined eventually since HDDs are just getting bigger
[03:55] <araxis> Hmmpg
[03:55] <araxis> Err
[03:56] <araxis> Hmmph
[03:56] <seidos> dyanmic swap o_o
[03:56] <araxis> So what am I supposed to do now, anyway
[03:56] <araxis> I feel like I should be using Linux/Ubuntu to be productive
[03:57] <ddecator> use it for everything you normally use a computer for
[03:57] <araxis> I have this brand new 6 core though, shouldn't it like... be saving the planet? :-p
[03:57] <ddecator> F@H
[03:58] <ddecator> or Folding@Home
[03:58] <ddecator> if you don't mind the CPU being maxed :)
[03:58] <araxis> Oh right!
[03:58] <araxis> Id love to see it
[03:58] <araxis> tbh
[03:58] <araxis> Im getting a cpu cooler tommorow, or this evening if I sober up, I plan on doing some overclocking
[03:58] <araxis> I wanna make this puppy work
[03:58] <seidos> araxis: torrent ubuntu isos :D
[03:59] <ddecator> Origami can handle it for you, but i don't know if it's ever been setup to handle large folds, which you'd want to do with 6 cores. join ##folding if you want more info on how to set it up :)
[03:59] <araxis> seidos: nice
[04:00] <araxis> Ok so as far as detecting 3 different amounts of memory
[04:00] <araxis> We really don't know eh?
[04:00] <araxis> Is one method more reliable than the other?
[04:00] <ddecator> i don't personally, but i'm sure someone on the team does. they just might not be on right now
[04:04] <seidos> araxis: 64 bit?
[04:04] <araxis> seidos: yes
[04:05] <araxis> torrenting ubuntu isos is what pushed me to get 8gb ram, i started with 4 and it was getting a bit sluggish
[04:05] <seidos> araxis: haha.  that's funny.
[04:06] <araxis> seidos: figured it's all or nothing, Im not sure where to go from here though. Suppose the hdd would be the slowest part of my machine at this point?
[04:06] <araxis> Not sure if I should purchase one of those high rpm raptor drives or a solid state drive..
[04:07] <seidos> araxis: s3 suspend, and never close anything when you work.  use all your workspaces.  do you program?
[04:07] <Dutch70> Hi, can anyone tell me which version of Natty I would want to download & try via live usb, or virtualbox today?
[04:07] <araxis> seidos: no, im a scrub
[04:07] <araxis> seidos: what is s3 suspend?
[04:08] <seidos> araxis: sleep
[04:08] <araxis> seidos: nod, well, it's time for more beer and some quality time with my father in law
[04:08] <araxis> Thanks for the help, seidoes and ddecator
[04:09] <seidos> araxis: go with honor \o/
[04:09] <araxis> I'm sure Ill be back to bother you guys sooner or later
[04:09] <seidos> Dutch70: i'm not sure.  do you want to try the latest?
[04:09] <seidos> araxis: it would be a pleasure
[04:12] <Dutch70> sei Yes, I think :) I'm just getting into this, isn't there a new daily build & then releases such as alpha, RC etc that are good for a little longer? I think I want the latest though.
[04:13] <seidos> Dutch70: best clue i got is "releases.ubuntu.com"
[04:14] <seidos> not sure how bleeding edge that is
[04:14] <seidos> http://releases.ubuntu.com
[04:18] <Dutch70> seidos: nope, those are just 10.10 back, thanks anyway seidos, but I think I found it here... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[04:19] <seidos> Dutch70: all right D: :D
[04:30] <Dutch70> How is it that I can use 64 bit linux OS, when my pc came with 32 bit windows vista? I really don't understand this. Anyone know?
[04:32] <seidos> Dutch70: your cpu supports 64 bit
[04:34] <Dutch70> seidos: Wow, I've been using 32 bit Ubuntu for 2.5 years, and did not know that. Will my processors work load actually lighten with 64 bit?
[04:34] <AbhijiT> nop
[04:34] <AbhijiT> not very much
[04:35] <AbhijiT> but 64 for multimedia purpose
[04:35] <seidos> Dutch70: do you have more than 4GB ram?  if not, then i believe 64bit vs 32bit matters little
[04:35] <AbhijiT> i m using 64 on 2gb ram
[04:35] <Dutch70> AbhijiT: It sure seems that they do. They run high often, but I tried linux mint & kubuntu 64 bit and they seemed to run a little lower.
[04:36] <Dutch70> seidos: I have exactly 4 GB of RAM
[04:37] <seidos> Dutch70: then yeah, matters little.
[04:37] <seidos> i'm using 32 on 2gb ram
[04:37] <seidos> i used 64 before though
[04:40] <Dutch70> seidos: also my pc was locking up with kubuntu & mint 32 bit, but I had no problems with 64 bit. albeit a short trial
[04:42] <seidos> Dutch70: that doesn't make sense to me, not sure why that would be the case.
[04:43] <seidos> i am running 32bit.  it runs quite stable.
[04:43] <seidos> what cpu do you have Dutch70 ?
[04:44] <Dutch70> seidos: my specs are here... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12132708-12133156-78308260-78308260-78308260-81152369-81573818.html
[04:45] <Dutch70> I upgraded to 4GB RAM, but it has a really low end video card
[04:46] <seidos> Dutch70: the link didn't work.
[04:46] <seidos> Dutch70: yeah, my notebook as an integrated intel card.  i don't really play games though, so it doesn't matter much.
[04:49] <Dutch70> seidos: neither do I, but I love to play with compiz and such, Ubuntu was freezing til I found a workaround, now Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu is freezing at login.
[04:49] <Dutch70> cpu is Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Desktop Processor E2160 • 1.80GHz, 1 MB L2 Cache, 800 MHz Front Side Bus
[04:50] <Dutch70> video card is Intel 82945G
[04:50] <seidos> i have a duo core.
[04:50]  * seidos checks system monitor
[04:50] <seidos> video card here is intel gm960/965
[04:50] <seidos> it's a T2310
[04:50] <seidos> cpu that is
[04:50] <seidos> 1.47Ghz
[04:52] <Dutch70> hmm, this is all new to me
[04:54] <seidos> Dutch70: i don't know much about the 82945G video card.  it might be better than mine though, and mine works fine with compiz...docky...glchess
[04:56] <Dutch70> seidos: mine worked fine with Hardy Heron, but started freezing when I installed Lucid & Maverick
[04:58] <Dutch70> I have a much better pc, dead due to surge I think. What are the chances I could borrow the cpu's from it. It has a triple core cpu. turns on, just no display on the screen.
[04:59] <seidos> Dutch70: maybe video card is bad?
[05:00] <Dutch70> Oh, I've got excellent graphics on Ubuntu after I found the work around
[05:00] <seidos> Dutch70: i was referring to the pc without a display
[05:02] <Dutch70> seidos: oh...lol. I thought so too, but if so, then the mobo may be out also (integrated), not sure what to do with it
[05:17] <Dutch70> seidos: Thanks for all your help, I'm gonna log off and try 64 bit Natty, see you around
[08:55] <Elise001> Hi.
[09:22] <gunndawg> hi
[10:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> gunndawg, still there?
[10:28] <gunndawg> yeah
[10:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> gunndawg, you need some help?
[10:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> sorry for the late replyt
[10:53] <gunndawg> no I dont need help
[10:53] <gunndawg> do you ?
[10:53] <IAmNotThatGuy> gunndawg, (:
[10:53] <IAmNotThatGuy> gunndawg, join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[10:54] <gunndawg> why?
[10:54] <IAmNotThatGuy> just for a talk. nothing much
[14:57] <fongweekim> I need some help with Xen
[15:50] <suprengr> hi peeps o/
[15:50] <suprengr> Just downloaded Banshee [from 10.04 standard repo] to see what all the fuss is about... first impression... hmm, not that different from Rhythmbox..
[15:50] <suprengr> ... but then I thought: "wot, no  'visualisations', & went back to RB?" Am I missing a trick here or is there a use other people are finding which I am not?
[17:57] <Dangr_> I learned when you hold alt+middle click it is easier to resize windows. But I have a five button mouse. I'd like to change it from middle click to mouse+4 or mouse+5
[17:57] <Dangr_> Any idea what menu this is under or where I can change the setting?
[17:59] <Dangr_> Nevermind found it :P. Its under CompizConfig
[19:21] <Red-Raven> hello.
[19:23] <ddecator> hi Red-Raven
[19:25] <Red-Raven> wow. haven't been here in forever. anyways, i need some help. i want to create a perfect copy of my HDD. I have ubuntu and windows on here. I want to make it so that i can boot off an external HDD, and it will start up the GRUB menu, and all my files etc. will be the same on each OS as they were on the internal. is there a good way to do this?
[19:27] <ddecator> oh wow. i know there have been team members who have worked with backup tools and even helped write wiki pages on how to backup your system, but i'm not sure if any of that dealt with booting from the external. unfortunately i don't have any experience with that, so i'm not of much help
[19:29] <Red-Raven> ok. i wonder if theres a way to just copy over each os seperatly and have the option to boot from one in the BIOS or something.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> something like http://howtoforge.com/ghosting-the-machine
[19:33] <ddecator> i'm pretty sure someone in my loco was trying to do the same thing, but he doesn't seem to be online right now so i can't ask if he managed to figure out how to do it
[19:34] <Red-Raven> charlie-tca: yah, but will that copy both OS's over?
[19:34] <aveilleux> ddecator, Red-Raven: Wouldn't just dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdX work?
[19:35] <aveilleux> ddecator: Since that would copy the MBR as well
[19:35] <ddecator> aveilleux: not sure
[19:36] <ddecator> i'm not familiar with how these tools work
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Red-Raven: I don't know. Might also want to look at clonezilla for linux, that copies the drive also
[19:37] <Red-Raven> aveilleux: will that make it bootable? and i would still have to add windows 7 to the GRUB menu as well.
[19:37] <ddecator> yah, the guy in my loco ran into trouble with getting grub to boot the external, that's what i'm not sure if he ever figured out
[19:37] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: if Windows is in your GRUB menu now, it'll be in the GRUB menu on the target drive as well.
[19:38] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Theoretically, as long as your machine is capable of booting to the external that should work. Be slow as hell though
[19:38] <aveilleux> Since USB isn't as fast as a SATA bus
[19:38] <Red-Raven> cool. so that command will make an exact copy of my whole HDD with files and everything?
[19:39] <Red-Raven> true. but its more for quick backup/resotre purposes.
[19:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: dd is a bit-level copy. Literally all the 0s and 1s on the drive will be copied verbatim onto the new drive.
[19:39] <ddecator> that'll take a while...
[19:40] <Red-Raven> it will probably take the rest of the day. or night,
[19:40] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Just make sure the external drive is larger (or at least of equal size) to your internal. If it's smaller you'll just bork the filesystem and have to reformat the drive
[19:40] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: How big is your internal drive?
[19:40] <Red-Raven> it is twice the size. im good there.
[19:40] <Red-Raven> internal is 250, external is 500.
[19:44] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: 250 GB * 1024 = 256000 MB. USB 2.0 operates at a theoretical max speed of 40 MB/s, meaning it'll take 1.78 hours at a minimum. Most USB buses realistically top out at 10 MB/s, meaning it'll take around 7.1 hours. Longer if your bus or drive operates at a rate lower than 10 MB/s.
[19:46] <aveilleux> Not even accounting for the read/write delay on the drives.
[19:48] <Dangr_> Does anyone have issues with slow USB transfers? I've tried different USB hubs and still get a slow rate of about 1.5MB/s
[19:48] <Red-Raven> ...wow. so i just realized something else: i made a backup on myy external of windows 7 already (i thought for some reason it hadn't worked.) all ther files are there, its just not bootable. any idea how to make that work?
[19:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Not sure how well it'll work. Windows doesn't like booting off external drives very much.
[19:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Putting GRUB on there would be a start.
[20:02] <cbusby> hey all where is the desktop directory for ubuntu
[20:02] <ddecator> in the home folder
[20:02] <cbusby> im trying to view it in windows using diskinternals
[20:03] <Red-Raven> well for now ill just backup all the files on each OS and make a win7 recovery disk. that way i can reinstall win7, put ubuntu on it again, and put all my files back on. it will take forever, but atleast it will all still be there.
[20:04] <aveilleux> cbusby: /home/<username>/Desktop
[20:04] <cbusby> except i encrypted it. so i cant view it at all right?
[20:05] <aveilleux> cbusby: If you encrypted your /home directory, then no you can;t
[20:05] <aveilleux> can't*
[20:05] <cbusby> thanks you much aveilleux
[20:05] <bioterror> with ecryptfs he can decrypt?
[20:06] <bioterror> ecryptfs-mount-private
[20:06] <aveilleux> bioterror: Not from Windows
[20:06] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:06] <bioterror> windows uses samba, and computer must be on and he must be logged in
[20:08] <aveilleux> bioterror: Windows doesn't use Samba, Ubuntu uses Samba to share to Windows machines and view Windows shares
[20:08] <aveilleux> bioterror: And diskinternals isn't a share browser, it's for browsing non-Windows partitions on local drives
[20:08] <bioterror> ahhh
[20:08] <bioterror> true dat
[20:09] <bioterror> I didnt notice that it was internal disk
[22:39] <manubuntu> hello
[22:40] <manubuntu> I just installed ubuntu 10.10 x64 and trying to get the compiz-fusion fire effect to work on newly opened windows, but the fire check box is not there
[22:40] <manubuntu> I have also installed the extra-plugins pack, but still not there
[22:41] <manubuntu> is there something else I need? Or is it just not there for x64 users?
[22:57] <hakimsheriff> manubuntu, I suggest you wait a bit, I don't know the answer but someone who does will see what you asked and answer
[22:59] <manubuntu> alright, i'll wait it out
[23:01] <hakimsheriff> but don't just wait starring at this channel, go make your self a sandwitch or something and come back or do something in the mean time, It might take a while :(
[23:06] <ddecator> i use 64-bit and i feel like it was there for me. one sec
[23:06] <ddecator> manubuntu: it shows up for me under "Effects" as "Paint fire on the screen"
[23:06] <ddecator> or are you talking about the windows burning when you close them?
[23:07] <manubuntu> the windows burning on close
[23:07] <manubuntu> I do have the paint fire effect
[23:09] <ddecator> manubuntu: Effects > Animations > Close Animation (tab) > select one of the options at the top (which specifies when it's used) > Click "Edit" > Select the "Burn" effect
[23:09] <ddecator> from there you can also adjust how fast the animation is
[23:10] <manubuntu> I don't have burn. What is there is: curved flod, hori fold, dream, fade, glide1&2, magic lamp, sidekick, vacuum, wave, and zoom :/
[23:12] <ddecator> did you turn on the animations add-on?
[23:12] <manubuntu> if that is under Effects->Animations. then yes. If it is somewhere else, then no
[23:13] <ddecator> it's under Effects, next to the Animations button
[23:13] <manubuntu> just found that add on, one sec
[23:13] <ddecator> that should give you more animations to choose from
[23:13] <manubuntu> thanks man! I'm pretty blind sometimes
[23:13] <ddecator> no problem :)
[23:14] <jcollierdavis> i just started using icewm on my laptop and the screen seems really dim, how do i adjust the brightness?
[23:15] <manubuntu> what is icewm?
[23:16] <jcollierdavis> Ice Window Manager, an x window manager
[23:16] <jcollierdavis> http://xwinman.org/icewm.php
[23:18] <ddecator> i've never even heard of that, so i'm afraid i don't have an answer for you
[23:36] <r4y> I got a question. How do I make an image openable as an icon open to the size I want it to open to?
[23:37] <r4y> What kind of format should it be for that?
[23:39] <r4y> I know that if right click a launcher and go to stretch icon I can change the size, but how can I make an imgae open as an icon to the size I want without doing that?
[23:39] <r4y> image not imgae
[23:39] <r4y> lol
[23:40] <r4y> OK, I will leave this open to anyone who might come along with the answer I am looking for. Thank you.
[23:40] <ddecator> i'm not entirely sure what it is you're trying to do...
[23:49] <r4y> I think I can figure it out. I have an icon scheme downloaded I can test from.
[23:50] <ddecator> good deal
[23:54] <r4y> It doesn't seem to change so I guess there's nothing I can do for what I want. It goes to the default setting., O What, I think I should look at the image I am trying to resize.
[23:58] <ddecator> what kind of image are you trying to resize and for what purpose? you just want to expand/shrink a normal picture and save it at the new size?
[23:59] <r4y> It's a png that I saved from an image as an icon for the game Tong. I have Gimp but I am not sure what to do.
[23:59] <r4y> I will find the imgae real quick
[23:59] <ddecator> ah, so you want to use it as an icon?
[23:59] <r4y> http://www.nongnu.org/tong/tong-title.png