[01:14] hello all... ubuntu-us-ny finally got its website updated [01:14] http://newyork-ubuntu.com/ [01:14] thanks to jaricanese7 a new member of the team [01:14] feel free to give us any feedback -- it would be welcomed [01:18] cprofitt: there is an ubuntu theme for drupal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/light-drupal-theme [01:19] maybe you can use that one, to make the different websites more consistent [01:19] * cprofitt nods [01:20] I can see making them more similar and keeping them different as both having value [01:20] I will bring it up to the team and see what they think [01:20] cprofitt: I'm pretty sure the theme is opensource too, so you can always copy and modify [01:21] mhall119: cool [01:21] cprofitt: you can also look at the navigation. It feels unnatural to have main navigations ending on an external webpage [01:21] the only restrictions are on using the ubuntu branding, but since it's for a loco team you're well within the terms of use [01:21] I just gave the web guru the link [01:21] Ronnie: I agree... but I do not want two locations for 'events' [01:22] probably pull that one down off the main nav [01:22] cprofitt: you can make the Events link go to a page that discusses the types of events your team does, and that page can then have a link to loco.u.c [01:22] I need to be gentle with the process... it has taken 13 months to get a person intereted in building the site [01:22] mhall119: yep [01:22] good idea [01:25] I may want to talk to him about the copyright too... [01:25] cprofitt: i know how it feels to get things done, but no interested people. A lot of dutch community members wants a new forum theme, but there is not much help from the my community [01:25] Ronnie: can you take a look at http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/events/ [01:26] Ronnie: yeah... it has been a slow process to get the LoCo off the ground... [01:26] and some of the old 'stalwarts' left as we opened the LoCo up and replacing them is taking time [01:26] mhall119: yes, is it the map thats not working? [01:27] mhall119: so you are pulling the loco.ubuntu.com in to the ubuntu-fl.org? [01:27] cprofitt: its a developer version [01:27] ah [01:28] I like the map feature [01:28] with non-private data from loco.ubuntu.com [01:28] thx ;) [01:28] that will help people find the places [01:28] Ronnie: yeah [01:28] cprofitt: yeah, that's my server, so it's a convenient place to run a test instance [01:29] the map feature is even nicer when it's working [01:29] the pictures and attendees is nice [01:29] gives it a meetup feel to it [01:30] the maps has even round corners in the beta of firefox 4 [01:30] Cool.... [01:30] Ronnie: but any idea why the map isn't showing event locations? [01:30] it works on my local system [01:31] running firebug, and received an error [01:31] mhall119: I think on http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/events/ that the columns for the time dont go to a second line.. if an event goes to a second line, it should be due to the event name, not the time [01:31] is there a screen shot of that drupal theme I can show the developer? [01:32] cprofitt: it looks mostly like loco directory [01:32] cjohnston: yeah, I noticed that yesterday [01:32] mhall119: could you check the MEDIA_URL setting, looks like the markers cannot be founs [01:32] simple fix. File a bug [01:33] Ronnie: http://pastebin.com/UMraHYLr [01:33] ah... here is the developer... jaricanese7 [01:34] meeting mhall119 and Ronnie who are excellent developers [01:34] they are building the loco.ubuntu.com application [01:34] mhall119: somehow the url is: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/media//img/marker.png instead of http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/media/img/marker.png [01:34] hi jaricanese7 [01:34] hey jaricanese7 [01:34] Hey mhall119 & Ronnie [01:35] Ronnie: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/media//img/marker.png loads just fine [01:35] oh, it just took longer here. but right [01:35] il look furter [01:35] thanks [01:38] mhall119: is loco.ubuntu.com built on drupal? [01:38] nope, django [01:38] django... that is Python? [01:38] mtechnology did the drupal theme [01:38] yes, django is python [01:38] that is the one I want to eventually get around too then [01:39] MTecknology that is [01:39] in #ubuntu-website [01:39] cprofitt: cjohnston and I are teaching a class on hacking LD during UDW [01:39] if you can make it [01:39] is MTecknology they guy from RIT? [01:39] I will try to make it [01:40] not sure what RIT is [01:40] the issue for me with re-learning dev stuff is the kids are relentless in the make noise department [01:40] RIT is a university [01:40] We had a guy in the NY LoCo with a name that was simialr... [01:41] but MTeck might be a different person -- my memory is fuzzy [01:42] Ronnie: are you getting the "Cannot call method 'lat' on undefined"? [01:42] no, but i can imagine why the error popup [01:43] how do you debug? [01:45] cprofitt: if you like the map feature, you probably like this: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/events/venues/add/ (working version) [01:47] mhall119: i only get "a is undefined" [01:50] Ronnie: I'm using firebug to try and track it down [01:51] the results from the /locations/ service are identical on both my localhost and family.ubuntu-fl.org [01:51] Ronnie: nice [01:54] mhall119: debug @ 196 of jquery-ubuntu-maps.js. the marker_list is single string [01:55] looks like a split is going wrong somewhere [01:58] mhall119: the json returned is wrong [01:58] it got quotes arount the main list [01:59] therefore it is seen as string instead of list [02:00] what version of django and ubuntu do you run on family and local? [02:03] quotes? [02:03] mhall119: yes [02:03] look at the returned json [02:03] 1.1.1 on family.ubuntu-fl.org [02:03] 1.1.1 on localhost [02:04] 1.1.2 that is [02:04] for localhost [02:04] they both return the exact same content [02:04] I called both with curl, then: diff family.json localhost.json [02:04] and diff didn't see any difference [02:05] ah, its the $.get that return another value [02:06] mhall119: can you check the jquery versions [02:09] 1.3.2 on family.ufl [02:09] the newer jquery version translates the string to an javascript object, the older does not [02:09] 1.4.2 on localhost [02:09] thats the difference [02:09] so i need to find a lib or function that translated string to json [02:09] and 1.3.2 on loco.ubuntu.com too, so we better figure out a fix for this [02:10] i guess this function is the one responsable (included in 1.4.1 http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.parseJSON/ ) [02:15] okay, I've got a fix [02:15] the solution is not that hard, but IE is a pain in the a** because it does not support JSON.pasre [02:15] eval() will do the trick just fine [02:16] eval is a very ugly function [02:16] and should never be used actually [02:16] what's wrong with it? [02:16] its dangerous and error phrone [02:17] mhall119: you really have to look this video once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQVTIJBZook [02:19] Ronnie: okay, jquery 1.3.2 has $.getJSON instead of $.get [02:19] can I use that instead? it seems to work fine [02:20] mhall119: let me have a look [02:20] mhall119: have a try [02:21] yeey :D [02:21] ill make an update of my script on the wiki page [02:22] ok [02:22] can I have you quickly review my merge once it's on LP? [02:24] yes i will [02:24] https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/old-jquery-map-fix/+merge/50494 [02:25] I'm going to go ahead and apply it to the production branch too, so that it'll be there when they deploy 0.3.1 [02:28] * mhall119 notes to downgrade his local jquery for testing [02:28] mhall119: that means that the other 2/3 merges are also applied to production [02:28] Ronnie: no, I just cherry-picked the one revision's changes [02:28] bzr is magical and lets you do things like that [02:29] oh, cool, didnt know that [02:29] bzr merge -r 404..405 lp:~mhall119/loco-directory/old-jquery-map-fix [02:29] merges in just the changes between 404 and 405 [02:30] and when we go to merge future trunk into production, bzr will know that it already has that rev, and won't have a problem merging it again [02:31] mhall119: so you have somewhere IE7 running? [02:31] nope [02:31] I do at work, but I'm windows-free at home [02:31] the fix works for me, but maybe not for IE7 users [02:31] well, if they're still using IE7, it won't be their only problem [02:32] IE7 has no JSON.parse native call [02:32] is that what jQuery.getJSON calls? [02:32] i guess, but am not sure [02:32] * mhall119 is happy to rely on jquery to be cross-browser compatible [02:32] because the parseJSON non-native is included on 1.4.1 http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.parseJSON/ [02:33] hmm... [02:35] i can do a call in my community to test in IE7 [02:40] i guess their all sleeping [02:40] its 03:40 here, that remembers me to go to sleep too [03:06] g'night ronnie [03:47] morning [04:04] hey nigelb [04:04] hey paultag! Congrats on the fluxbox release [04:04] nigelb: thanks! It took a lot of hard work [04:04] the fluxbox team rocks [04:05] :) [09:10] good morning [09:13] * YoBoY is baking a chocolat cake for the Paris ubuntu party preparation workshop benevolents [15:18] Ronnie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/NavigationUsability let me know your thoughts on the Design section [15:20] are there currently any external links in the sub nav [15:20] cjohnston: yes, the join team [15:20] which links to LP [15:20] mhall119: the design looks very good [15:27] Ronnie: cjohnston: What do you think about the rule to make all action link in-page? [15:28] is "Add Team Event" a navigation or an action? I'd say action, but would we want it in-page instead of in the sub-nav? [15:29] if we do it in-page, we can use + icons or something to draw the user's attention to it [15:30] mhall119: i think indeed that the action links should be in page and not in the NAVIGATION [15:30] right now "Register for this event" and "Add agenda Item" are above their respective list/table, should we make that a rule as well? [15:30] i also think that the meeting/event part should be restyled, and made larger [15:31] its an important part of loco [15:31] I agree [15:32] how about the edit/delete/copy actions on an event or meeting? [15:32] where in the page can we put those? [15:33] mhall119: good question [15:33] we need to think about that, its a very majour change [15:35] * mhall119 adds Proposed and Needed rules to the wiki spec [15:36] if you guys can take a look at it again [15:43] mhall119: in a moment, just testing aother django app [15:50] I think add event/add meeting is a 'main' point.. and should be sub-nav unless we do some sort of major design overhaul.. it doesnt fit anywhere else [15:50] add comment, add agenda, register all in page in their sections [15:51] cjohnston: but that breaks the "only navigation links in the navigation" rule [15:52] it does go to a new page tho.. where add comment add agenda etc arent really new pages [15:52] expecially now that when you complete the add event you go to the event page, not back to the team page [15:53] technically it's a new page, from the user perspective it's an action not a navigation [15:53] cjohnston: I added a "Comments" section to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/NavigationUsability [15:53] where would you propose putting it on the team page [15:53] cjohnston: I don't know yet [15:54] I can't think of anywhere on the current design that it would get the attention it needs [15:54] so should we change the "only navigation link in the navigation bar" rule? [15:55] or dedicate an area of the page below sub-nav but above content for action links? [15:55] until something better is determined [15:55] so a tripple sub? [15:55] triple [15:55] more like a toolbar [15:55] or make add event add meetings buttons [15:55] hmmm, buttons might work [15:56] thats how fb is [15:56] i dont know much about any others [15:58] the big orange buttons could work very good [16:29] cjohnston: Ronnie: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/teams/ubuntu-us-florida [16:30] although according to the rules I made up, the 2 "add" links should be down by the event & meetings list [16:32] maybe we can put all action links in a toolbar like that? [16:32] I would make the buttons orange with white text and align right [16:33] I tried that, but it really clashed with the header [16:34] align right and move the 'details' back up [16:35] page 23 of the website guide mhall119 [16:35] those clash? [16:38] or look at the ubuntu_color_palette doc.. if you look at the bottom page it says: [16:38] Our colour palette consists of Orange, Aubergine, [16:38] White and Warm Grey. The amount of colour we use for [16:38] Community and Canonical collateral varies according to [16:38] the emphasis of the content. [16:38] For instance, for Community-focused materials, [16:38] Orange is the predominant colour and Aubergine [16:38] is used as a highlight. [16:38] Right now we use 0 aubergine [16:38] we could use that for the buttons.. as that would definatly fit highlight [16:41] cjohnston: refresh http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/teams/ubuntu-us-florida [16:41] what do you want to make abergine? [16:42] the buttons [16:44] refresh for abergine buttons [16:45] well, they do stand out [16:45] can i see it aligned right [16:45] i would do align right and in the content section on the right side of the page [16:46] right above the team image [16:48] above the team image, or above the microblog feed? [16:48] neither are showing on your page.. 1 sec [16:48] lemme look [16:49] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida [16:49] the logo needs to be centered [16:49] i thought it was [16:49] but right above the loco [16:49] i dont see the microblog feed [16:49] the layout changed, check on family.u.c [16:50] on family i dont see a team image or microblog [16:51] refresh it [16:52] Ronnie: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/teams/ubuntu-ru language list goes behind the mugshot [16:52] o [16:52] i see a little bitty image now [16:52] yeah [16:52] ok.. over where the image was on the current live [16:52] 64x64 isn't exactly little bitty [16:53] little considering what it was [16:53] cjohnston: that's how I have it on family.ufl now [16:53] the content on the left still needs to go back up to the top [16:53] i see that [16:53] there is a huge gap between sub-nav and 'florida loco teal' [16:53] hmm, that layout will be problematic [16:54] put it in the same content area as the microblog [16:54] that content area has a gray background [16:54] that should be fine [16:55] im trying to download a branch but cant [16:55] boo [16:56] did we notice that on ubuntu.com the sub-nav and search were seperated [16:57] which would provide for allowing a search on the main page without a subnav [16:57] yeah, they changed that at some point I think [16:58] I hate that canonical and community have separate theme development [16:58] i think we need to do that so that we can get rid of the sub nav on the main page [16:58] or atleast if we got notified of changes [16:59] cjohnston: can you add that to the wiki spec? or does your internet still suck? [17:00] cjohnston: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8000/teams/ubuntu-us-florida is that better? Moved team details block back up to where it was [17:01] done [17:02] do you like the abergine buttons? [17:02] they're growing on me [17:02] Ronnie: what do you think of them? [17:03] yes [17:03] uggh internet sucking more [17:03] i dont see the spacing being fixed [17:04] team details blogck [17:08] bug 722224 [17:08] Launchpad bug 722224 in loco-directory "Should not get warning about needing to run ./manage.py init-ld when running init-ld (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722224 [17:13] cjohnston: it's there, I promise [17:14] if you say so [17:14] im gone [17:14] have a good day [17:26] mhall119: im back [17:35] mhall119: ""Add" action links should be above the list or table they will add to " i think 'above' it too specific, it can be different for each +new item where to place it [17:37] * Ronnie boots gimp to play with the interface [18:06] Ronnie: I'd like to make the rules as specific as possible so we're consistent [19:04] cjohnston: Ronnie: mhall119 : do you have a "blank" LD template to start tweaking the interface ? [19:05] YoBoY: if you want, you can look in the standard ubuntu-light django template [19:05] and the loco(newstyle) css file [19:06] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-django-theme [19:06] don't want to "code" (too much to learn yet) just play with gimp [19:07] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loco-directory-dev/loco-directory/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/media/css/newstyle.css [19:07] YoBoY: with an ubuntu style gimp template i can help, moment [19:08] YoBoY: http://ubuntuone.com/p/ZrZ/ (you have to clean most layers, but it works) [19:08] its the template i use for our new forum theme [19:08] perfect :) [19:10] YoBoY: or you can use this one: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eEJ/ [19:10] thats the one im currently use for editing, but is not so 'advanced' [19:11] better yes :) I can do the adjustments, thanks [20:14] mhall119, cjohnston, YoBoY: An first example of a new team page: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eF8/ [20:19] Ronnie: mhall119 cjohnston : an exemple of what should be on the Teams sub menu for me http://yoboy.fr/images/teams.png [20:19] example [20:21] Ronnie: great :) [20:22] I was thinking placing the events on the right too ^^ [20:23] and the "+new ..." are just what we need [20:23] YoBoY: your menu's logic s looks good [20:24] I think the resources part still needs more clarification [20:24] teams page ^ [20:26] we also need an "edit" icon [20:26] another example http://yoboy.fr/images/Events.png [20:28] i think we need to rename "past events" to "Archieve" [20:31] can you make some "new style" icons for the rss and calendar ? [20:32] i think we need to ask the artworkers, i can do some artworking, but the persons from the artwork team are very much better [20:32] yes ^^" [20:33] i have done some but it's really not like them :p [20:46] Ronnie: I'm worried about the team page being too compacted [20:46] that's a lot of info in a small space [20:47] I do like the meeting and events list that way though [20:49] Ronnie: doctormo has done icons for us in the past, he might be able to help again [20:49] i think giving the photo's more spacing, and the meeting/event items more spacing the page look less compacted [20:49] maybe move the "join team" button back to the right will help too [20:50] Ronnie: we'd have to move it to make room for other buttons [20:50] +1 on more space for phtos [20:50] photos [21:14] mhall119: some improvement in the spacing: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eF8/ [21:18] stupid question... why ther is no link "show more photos" ? we invite the users to go to the external site to watch more ? [21:20] YoBoY: good question [21:20] I don't use it so I never noticed it's missing ^^" [21:22] YoBoY: refresh the link and the link should be there [21:26] great but ... :p [21:27] we use also pix.ie and picasa, this make it difficult to send to the right place [21:30] Ronnie: the right part, it's "all locos" or the loco team presented only ? [21:32] YoBoY: refresh ^^^ [21:32] Parfait :) [21:33] YoBoY: any idea about how to improve the resources ? [21:34] i'm already thinking about it [21:34] i don't like them like that [21:34] and for my team there is not enought ressources :p [21:35] lol ;) [21:35] YoBoY: if you need to GIMP file: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eEJ/ [21:36] thanks [21:37] what version of GIMP do you have? [21:38] if you have the developer version, the layers are grouped, which make thing much easier [21:39] I have the default one [21:40] 2.6.10 [21:41] 2.7.2 beta is such an improvement, single window modus, layers grouping :D [21:41] pretty stable atm (was different in the past) [21:42] haaa... single window modus... dreaming of that feature :) [21:45] too bad you have to turn it on each restart [21:47] it's beta :D [22:15] Ronnie: we use icons on the global events for the 3 picture services, maybe we should use them also on the team page? [22:19] mhall119: that could be a good idea [22:21] Last half hour i spended time on the "My Teams" page - Feedback is welcome: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eGI/ [22:27] Ronnie: I want to be on more than one team now to see that in action :D [22:28] Yea, i have to admit, its an very effective overview [22:29] all the links you regualry need are available, all the dynamic info in one screen [22:31] YoBoY: its still the same GIMP file link, so if you need to tweak etc, you can download the .xcf file again [22:31] done [22:32] i hope you wont get lost in all the layers, if they are not grouped [22:34] YoBoY: what sub-nav links should fit on this page? [22:36] on the "My teams" page ? [22:36] YoBoY: yes [22:37] http://yoboy.fr/images/teams.png << these links, we have to make more consistent sub menus who don't change unless you change the top menu item [22:38] i guess most of that links are not very usefull on this page, but i cant think of any more usefull links, so for consistency i say +1 [22:39] perhaps add an "all teams" link too, at the begining [22:39] I think "My Teams" should be at the beginngin [22:39] the about is also on the top menu, you can remove it [22:40] My Teams | Join a Team | Create a Team | All Teams | Approved Teams [22:41] why not :) it's the programmer choice ;) [22:41] My Teams | Approved Teams | All Teams | Join a Team | Create a Team [22:42] ^ is better, first 3 views (from less to much) and then 2 informative pages about 'actions' [22:42] write that on the wiki page and wait for the comments on that point [22:46] Ronnie and YoBoY you will both soon be on multiple teams, since we're going to open LD functionality to any community team that wants to use it [22:46] s/soon/at some point in the forseeable future/ [22:46] mhall119: i dont understand 'open LD functionality' [22:46] great but I'm not on many teams :) [22:47] YoBoY: I know how to fix that too [22:47] Ronnie: most of LD is generic enough to be useful to any team [22:47] mhall119: you mean, not restricted to loco teams [22:47] Ronnie: right [22:47] cool [22:48] then the "My Teams" page will be very usefull [22:48] it's going to take some heavy refactoring and setting up another site, but that's what planned [22:48] Ronnie: yes, very useful [22:48] :p [22:48] yeeey :D [23:01] mhall119. YoBoY: why we need the link "Approved Teams" i cant see any use for a normal loco user [23:02] yes, it's not important for users [23:03] we can put it on the About LoCo or LoCo Council [23:04] yes, its very loco council targeted [23:06] but if we extend the website to not only loco-teams, we could make a sub-nav-item "LoCo Teams" [23:06] Ronnie: there will be 2 sites: loco.ubuntu.com and ???.ubuntu.com [23:07] oke, but share the same code [23:07] where ??? = "teams" or "global" or "community" or something [23:07] share code and database [23:07] so in theory you could have a loco team and a non-loco team be listed on a single event or meeting [23:08] a good example would be a loco team and the loco-council team sharing a re-approval meeting [23:09] or a loco team and a development team both going to PyCon [23:09] oh great, i like the idea [23:09] so basically the 2 sites will be 2 views of the same data [23:40] Both images updated a bit: http://ubuntuone.com/p/eF8/ and http://ubuntuone.com/p/eGI/ [23:56] gnight everyone