| ojwb | anyone run mythtv/mythbuntu? if so, what do you use to get listings info for more than just what's on right now? | 02:09 |
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| ojwb | even the what's on right now doesn't seem to work for all channels for me | 02:09 |
| ojwb | with DVB-T currently, if that makes a difference | 02:09 |
| ojwb | though I have a DVB-S card to set up too | 02:10 |
| === zapzupnz is now known as Apple | ||
| === Apple is now known as zapzupnz | ||
| cloudy_nz | hi zapzupnz | 04:24 |
| zapzupnz | hello | 04:24 |
| cloudy_nz | how's life? | 04:24 |
| zapzupnz | Whimsical. Next week, back to uni. It'll finally be serious, again. | 04:25 |
| zapzupnz | You? | 04:25 |
| cloudy_nz | trying to motivate myself to learn more jQuery, lol | 04:25 |
| cloudy_nz | ah which uni do you go to? I went to Auckland | 04:26 |
| zapzupnz | Well, I don't go to uni - I go to EIT. | 04:28 |
| zapzupnz | I just call it uni because it's quicker to type than polytech. Plus, I've become accustomed to having to say that when people overseas look at me with a quizzical look as I say it. | 04:28 |
| cloudy_nz | lol | 04:29 |
| cloudy_nz | I went to a polytech too | 04:29 |
| cloudy_nz | it was called AIT, then it became AUT | 04:29 |
| zapzupnz | AUT has the advantage that it didn't extinguish the polytech aspect of it | 04:29 |
| cloudy_nz | heh heh, yeah it's all a bit stupid | 04:30 |
| cloudy_nz | polytech teaches you more practical stuff, while uni teaches more theoretical stuff | 04:30 |
| zapzupnz | Indeed. | 04:31 |
| zapzupnz | Polytechs are there to get you in to a job, essentially. | 04:31 |
| cloudy_nz | hmm yeah | 04:31 |
| zapzupnz | As for me, I'm not so fussed - I don't find I'm learning much - just want the certification, really. | 04:31 |
| cloudy_nz | I kind of wish polytech courses taught you a few things more in depth, rather than a lot of practical stuff only on the surface | 04:31 |
| zapzupnz | True | 04:32 |
| cloudy_nz | lol what are you studying? | 04:32 |
| zapzupnz | Bachelor of Computer Systems - covering programming, mostly, and system analysis | 04:32 |
| cloudy_nz | cool! | 04:33 |
| cloudy_nz | there aren't enough developers in NZ | 04:33 |
| zapzupnz | That's for sure | 04:33 |
| cloudy_nz | I got my programming job 2 weeks after graduating! | 04:33 |
| zapzupnz | It's disappointing to see how many shift to Australia, the UK, or the US | 04:34 |
| cloudy_nz | there's more money over there, lol | 04:34 |
| karora | A lot shift here too. | 04:34 |
| zapzupnz | Money, sure. If that's what your interest is. | 04:34 |
| cloudy_nz | are you going to get into .NET or Java? | 04:34 |
| karora | How many people in this channel were not born in NZ, do you think? | 04:34 |
| zapzupnz | I think we have it made, here. | 04:34 |
| zapzupnz | Well, we learned with .NET and Java - but I don't intend to stick to them in my immediate career. | 04:35 |
| cloudy_nz | oh, whatcha going to focus on? | 04:35 |
| zapzupnz | karora: not a clue, not a care. As long as they're here. | 04:35 |
| cloudy_nz | I am a python/php programmer | 04:35 |
| zapzupnz | I'm not sure. | 04:35 |
| cloudy_nz | lol | 04:35 |
| karora | zapzupnz: Where are you studying? | 04:35 |
| zapzupnz | karora: EIT Taradale | 04:36 |
| cloudy_nz | they are crying out for .NET developers in Auckland | 04:36 |
| cloudy_nz | Java is much harder to get a job in | 04:36 |
| * karora is currently doing Android dev in Java. | 04:36 | |
| karora | There's still plenty of Java jobs. | 04:36 |
| cloudy_nz | ...unless it's Android Java, lol | 04:36 |
| zapzupnz | Android and servers still have demand. But that's not me. | 04:36 |
| cloudy_nz | people at my work don't like Java, they say it leads to large, difficult projects that never get finished | 04:37 |
| karora | Scripting languages are better, so long as the environment isn't constrained. | 04:37 |
| cloudy_nz | mobile apps might be better | 04:37 |
| zapzupnz | Mobile app projects get as big as any other | 04:38 |
| karora | Anything at all can lead to large, difficult projects that never get finished. | 04:38 |
| cloudy_nz | not in python! (yay) | 04:38 |
| karora | It's more likely to be a consequence of who the development is being done for than what language it is done in. | 04:38 |
| karora | Yes, even in python. | 04:38 |
| zapzupnz | Anything is susceptible to it - bad planning | 04:38 |
| karora | INCIS in python would still have failed. | 04:38 |
| cloudy_nz | well actually I saw a project using python and the YUI...that was not pretty, lol | 04:38 |
| zapzupnz | That's why you get these developers who don't plan, don't comment their code, don't visualise workflows, don't record issues and fixes … you feel like strangling them | 04:39 |
| cloudy_nz | back in 5 | 04:39 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah lack of documentation is probably the worst thing I've faced | 04:45 |
| zapzupnz | Better to have too much than not enough | 04:46 |
| zapzupnz | For at least the excess can be thrown away :P | 04:46 |
| cloudy_nz | definitely | 04:46 |
| zapzupnz | But you can't magic extra documentation out of thin air | 04:46 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah, a good compiler or intrepreter totally ignores & excludes comments | 04:46 |
| zapzupnz | Such is the point of comments :P | 04:47 |
| cloudy_nz | I mean, use heaps of comments, because it won't cause any problems | 04:47 |
| zapzupnz | Yup | 04:47 |
| cloudy_nz | so where you going to live when you graduate, zapzupnz ? | 04:48 |
| zapzupnz | I'm going to stay where I am, for a while, in Napier. | 04:48 |
| cloudy_nz | ah ok | 04:48 |
| zapzupnz | Perhaps eventually I'll move to Wellington. Who knows? | 04:48 |
| cloudy_nz | I hear it's difficult to find a job there unless you know people | 04:48 |
| cloudy_nz | Wellington rocks! They have a dynamic Python UG there | 04:48 |
| zapzupnz | If I cared about Python, I'd probably go. | 04:49 |
| cloudy_nz | the pycon is there in August | 04:49 |
| zapzupnz | lol | 04:49 |
| zapzupnz | In fact, I'd go anyway. | 04:49 |
| zapzupnz | Never hurts to learn about what's what, does it? | 04:49 |
| cloudy_nz | my cousin & his wife tried to find a job in Napier, but he could only get one in forestry he didn't like | 04:49 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah, I did 3 C# exams, and that hurt a lot! | 04:50 |
| zapzupnz | Luckily in the last year of the degree I'm doing, you get to do work ex - and normally it's in Wellington. | 04:50 |
| zapzupnz | But then, it depends on the expertise. | 04:50 |
| zapzupnz | I don't want to go to Auckland - I don't know it, and don't care to learn it. | 04:51 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah don't come here, lol | 04:51 |
| cloudy_nz | go to Welly, where everything is cool | 04:51 |
| zapzupnz | Cool is right. Bloody freezing. But at least I have friends there. | 04:52 |
| cloudy_nz | they have trendy artist & poet types, and people don't just care about money | 04:52 |
| cloudy_nz | all anyone cares about in Auckland is money & property | 04:52 |
| zapzupnz | Gosh, sounds like Auckland would be the better place. o.o | 04:52 |
| cloudy_nz | from what I hear, Welly pays better too | 04:52 |
| cloudy_nz | all the government offices are down there, paying contractors big $$$ | 04:53 |
| zapzupnz | Bleh, boring stuff. | 04:53 |
| zapzupnz | It sucks that the best paying stuff is boring. | 04:54 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah, .NET & Oracle is boring | 04:54 |
| cloudy_nz | but who cares when you earn $80 an hour? hehe | 04:54 |
| zapzupnz | That's money talking. :P | 04:54 |
| zapzupnz | Provided I can pay the bills, I don't care about the money - just so long as what I does makes me happy | 04:55 |
| zapzupnz | And boring != happy | 04:55 |
| zapzupnz | Boring == boring | 04:55 |
| cloudy_nz | when you have a family to support, money becomes a whole lot more important | 04:57 |
| cloudy_nz | lol | 04:57 |
| zapzupnz | I doubt that'll happen | 04:57 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah, I suppose I could have looked for a better paying C# job rather than python | 04:58 |
| cloudy_nz | but OSS is so much more interesting | 04:58 |
| cloudy_nz | guess I have the same attitude, hehe | 04:58 |
| zapzupnz | :D | 04:58 |
| zapzupnz | As long as there's a roof on your head and food on the table and bills paid, all is well. <3 | 04:59 |
| zapzupnz | And besides | 05:00 |
| zapzupnz | Who'd not want to be doing what they REALLY love as their job? :P | 05:00 |
| cloudy_nz | yeah that's true | 05:01 |
| cloudy_nz | I've seen some unhappy Microsoft developers, hehe | 05:01 |
| zapzupnz | hehe, yup | 05:01 |
| * cloudy_nz goes to eat pizza for dinner | 05:23 | |
| zapzupnz | nom nom | 05:23 |
| ojwb | who says you need to live anywhere near the people you work for? | 06:28 |
| ojwb | live in NZ, get paid at the rate in a different country... | 06:28 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 18:31 |
| snail1 | ibeardslee: sorry i didn't notice you on the bus, i wasn't really awake | 18:44 |
| ibeardslee | yeah that's ok .. I figured that was the case | 18:46 |
| ibeardslee | just as well you were further back .. you cuoldn't see the tears of rejection ;) | 18:47 |
| ajmitch | morning | 18:51 |
| snail1 | if i'm not awake enough to notice you, I can't imagine my conversation is scintillating at that time of the morning anyway... | 19:39 |
| thumper | morning | 20:52 |
| === hads_ is now known as hads | ||
| chilts | morning | 21:40 |
| mwhudson | morning | 22:02 |
| karora | morning :-) | 22:55 |
| mwhudson | sneaky | 22:56 |
| G | anyone here had trouble getting those Advanced Electricity Meters installed? | 23:21 |
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