[02:09] anyone run mythtv/mythbuntu? if so, what do you use to get listings info for more than just what's on right now? [02:09] even the what's on right now doesn't seem to work for all channels for me [02:09] with DVB-T currently, if that makes a difference [02:10] though I have a DVB-S card to set up too === zapzupnz is now known as Apple === Apple is now known as zapzupnz [04:24] hi zapzupnz [04:24] hello [04:24] how's life? [04:25] Whimsical. Next week, back to uni. It'll finally be serious, again. [04:25] You? [04:25] trying to motivate myself to learn more jQuery, lol [04:26] ah which uni do you go to? I went to Auckland [04:28] Well, I don't go to uni - I go to EIT. [04:28] I just call it uni because it's quicker to type than polytech. Plus, I've become accustomed to having to say that when people overseas look at me with a quizzical look as I say it. [04:29] lol [04:29] I went to a polytech too [04:29] it was called AIT, then it became AUT [04:29] AUT has the advantage that it didn't extinguish the polytech aspect of it [04:30] heh heh, yeah it's all a bit stupid [04:30] polytech teaches you more practical stuff, while uni teaches more theoretical stuff [04:31] Indeed. [04:31] Polytechs are there to get you in to a job, essentially. [04:31] hmm yeah [04:31] As for me, I'm not so fussed - I don't find I'm learning much - just want the certification, really. [04:31] I kind of wish polytech courses taught you a few things more in depth, rather than a lot of practical stuff only on the surface [04:32] True [04:32] lol what are you studying? [04:32] Bachelor of Computer Systems - covering programming, mostly, and system analysis [04:33] cool! [04:33] there aren't enough developers in NZ [04:33] That's for sure [04:33] I got my programming job 2 weeks after graduating! [04:34] It's disappointing to see how many shift to Australia, the UK, or the US [04:34] there's more money over there, lol [04:34] A lot shift here too. [04:34] Money, sure. If that's what your interest is. [04:34] are you going to get into .NET or Java? [04:34] How many people in this channel were not born in NZ, do you think? [04:34] I think we have it made, here. [04:35] Well, we learned with .NET and Java - but I don't intend to stick to them in my immediate career. [04:35] oh, whatcha going to focus on? [04:35] karora: not a clue, not a care. As long as they're here. [04:35] I am a python/php programmer [04:35] I'm not sure. [04:35] lol [04:35] zapzupnz: Where are you studying? [04:36] karora: EIT Taradale [04:36] they are crying out for .NET developers in Auckland [04:36] Java is much harder to get a job in [04:36] * karora is currently doing Android dev in Java. [04:36] There's still plenty of Java jobs. [04:36] ...unless it's Android Java, lol [04:36] Android and servers still have demand. But that's not me. [04:37] people at my work don't like Java, they say it leads to large, difficult projects that never get finished [04:37] Scripting languages are better, so long as the environment isn't constrained. [04:37] mobile apps might be better [04:38] Mobile app projects get as big as any other [04:38] Anything at all can lead to large, difficult projects that never get finished. [04:38] not in python! (yay) [04:38] It's more likely to be a consequence of who the development is being done for than what language it is done in. [04:38] Yes, even in python. [04:38] Anything is susceptible to it - bad planning [04:38] INCIS in python would still have failed. [04:38] well actually I saw a project using python and the YUI...that was not pretty, lol [04:39] That's why you get these developers who don't plan, don't comment their code, don't visualise workflows, don't record issues and fixes … you feel like strangling them [04:39] back in 5 [04:45] yeah lack of documentation is probably the worst thing I've faced [04:46] Better to have too much than not enough [04:46] For at least the excess can be thrown away :P [04:46] definitely [04:46] But you can't magic extra documentation out of thin air [04:46] yeah, a good compiler or intrepreter totally ignores & excludes comments [04:47] Such is the point of comments :P [04:47] I mean, use heaps of comments, because it won't cause any problems [04:47] Yup [04:48] so where you going to live when you graduate, zapzupnz ? [04:48] I'm going to stay where I am, for a while, in Napier. [04:48] ah ok [04:48] Perhaps eventually I'll move to Wellington. Who knows? [04:48] I hear it's difficult to find a job there unless you know people [04:48] Wellington rocks! They have a dynamic Python UG there [04:49] If I cared about Python, I'd probably go. [04:49] the pycon is there in August [04:49] lol [04:49] In fact, I'd go anyway. [04:49] Never hurts to learn about what's what, does it? [04:49] my cousin & his wife tried to find a job in Napier, but he could only get one in forestry he didn't like [04:50] yeah, I did 3 C# exams, and that hurt a lot! [04:50] Luckily in the last year of the degree I'm doing, you get to do work ex - and normally it's in Wellington. [04:50] But then, it depends on the expertise. [04:51] I don't want to go to Auckland - I don't know it, and don't care to learn it. [04:51] yeah don't come here, lol [04:51] go to Welly, where everything is cool [04:52] Cool is right. Bloody freezing. But at least I have friends there. [04:52] they have trendy artist & poet types, and people don't just care about money [04:52] all anyone cares about in Auckland is money & property [04:52] Gosh, sounds like Auckland would be the better place. o.o [04:52] from what I hear, Welly pays better too [04:53] all the government offices are down there, paying contractors big $$$ [04:53] Bleh, boring stuff. [04:54] It sucks that the best paying stuff is boring. [04:54] yeah, .NET & Oracle is boring [04:54] but who cares when you earn $80 an hour? hehe [04:54] That's money talking. :P [04:55] Provided I can pay the bills, I don't care about the money - just so long as what I does makes me happy [04:55] And boring != happy [04:55] Boring == boring [04:57] when you have a family to support, money becomes a whole lot more important [04:57] lol [04:57] I doubt that'll happen [04:58] yeah, I suppose I could have looked for a better paying C# job rather than python [04:58] but OSS is so much more interesting [04:58] guess I have the same attitude, hehe [04:58] :D [04:59] As long as there's a roof on your head and food on the table and bills paid, all is well. <3 [05:00] And besides [05:00] Who'd not want to be doing what they REALLY love as their job? :P [05:01] yeah that's true [05:01] I've seen some unhappy Microsoft developers, hehe [05:01] hehe, yup [05:23] * cloudy_nz goes to eat pizza for dinner [05:23] nom nom [06:28] who says you need to live anywhere near the people you work for? [06:28] live in NZ, get paid at the rate in a different country... [18:31] morning [18:44] ibeardslee: sorry i didn't notice you on the bus, i wasn't really awake [18:46] yeah that's ok .. I figured that was the case [18:47] just as well you were further back .. you cuoldn't see the tears of rejection ;) [18:51] morning [19:39] if i'm not awake enough to notice you, I can't imagine my conversation is scintillating at that time of the morning anyway... [20:52] morning === hads_ is now known as hads [21:40] morning [22:02] morning [22:55] morning :-) [22:56] sneaky [23:21] anyone here had trouble getting those Advanced Electricity Meters installed?