| karni | morning! | 12:25 |
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| karni | __lucio__: beuno: somethins with the servers. my PC doing auth dance a longer moment and now "waiting before try connecting again" | 17:50 |
| karni | similarily, my application tries to reconnect | 17:50 |
| karni | ah, PC doing server rescan. false alarms. | 17:51 |
| karni | /s/alarms/alarm | 17:52 |
| karni | server rescan taking even longer. I'll asume servers are loaded atm. | 17:52 |
| beuno | :) | 17:53 |
| karni | PC still doing server rescan. at least I can test out U1F's auto-reconnect hehe | 17:54 |
| beuno | karni, are you on 10.10? | 17:58 |
| * karni chuckles | 17:58 | |
| karni | 10.04 ;) | 17:58 |
| karni | I do have 10.10 installed, but didn't have time to move. | 17:59 |
| beuno | karni, right, so 10.04 does the expesive server rescan | 17:59 |
| beuno | you could use nightlies: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies | 18:00 |
| beuno | it's a bazillion times faster | 18:00 |
| karni | beuno: I see. it has finished. the worst part is that fetching meta by U1F behaves similarily.. | 18:00 |
| karni | beuno: will it work on 10.04 ? | 18:00 |
| karni | I think rye tolde me nightlies are good for maverick+ | 18:00 |
| beuno | ah | 18:01 |
| beuno | I'd listen to him then | 18:01 |
| karni | =D | 18:01 |
| beuno | it seems to have been built for lucid | 18:01 |
| beuno | not sure what the consequences of using it are, thought | 18:01 |
| beuno | *though | 18:01 |
| karni | beuno: one potentially slow moment for U1F is getDelta/getDeltaFromScratch in U1F. for few days it has been really fast (like <15-20 secs in my accounts case) | 18:02 |
| karni | and now it's.. it fetched the root (/Ubuntu One), but still awaits for UDFs and Shares | 18:03 |
| karni | I'm thinking if theres anything I can do about that on the application level. | 18:03 |
| karni | Like, suggest trying in a moment or something (it wouldn't look very good, though) | 18:03 |
| beuno | karni, right, so lets wait out the slowness for a few weeks while we finish moving our API servers into the datacenter from amazon | 18:03 |
| karni | beuno: sounds good | 18:04 |
| karni | beuno: You'll see yourself anyway. Sometimes it's nice and fast, sometimes it's just sluggish. | 18:04 |
| * beuno nods | 18:04 | |
| beuno | karni, and this is for the first time you open the app, or every time? | 18:05 |
| karni | crap.. I've done this some many times (both from scratch, and just sync) that I'm not 100%. what I can say is that today util 6PM regular sync was really fast. | 18:05 |
| beuno | karni, I mean, do people see a cached version of their files while it updates? | 18:06 |
| karni | In general, it happens only in the evenings I believe. (in my timezone) | 18:06 |
| karni | yes, sure! if it's not the initial, first sync. | 18:06 |
| karni | sorry, I didn't understand the question right ;) | 18:07 |
| karni | beuno: since we'll be probably talking much more in following days, you may consider auto-joining #ubuntuone-mobile which aquarius has been keeping for a while. the rest who's interested will be able to follow the discussions easily. | 18:08 |
| beuno | karni, more channels to join! | 18:22 |
| beuno | I'll think about it :) | 18:22 |
| beuno | I kinda wish we kept it confined in here | 18:22 |
| karni | beuno: oh, that's fine with me! I just thought we'd procude to much traffic | 18:23 |
| karni | *produce, that is | 18:23 |
| beuno | bandwidth is cheap! | 18:23 |
| karni | but I talk much! (that doesn't make easy for others to chat O_o) | 18:24 |
| karni | (like I said, if that's the case, let it me #ubuntuone :) ) | 18:24 |
| karni | /s/me/be | 18:24 |
| * karni realigns fingers | 18:24 | |
| beuno | karni, talking makes the channel interesting! | 18:26 |
| karni | ^_^ | 18:27 |
| karni | beuno: I'm wondering, does the user *have* to open the link from the e-mail in new registration API to start using U1 ? | 18:53 |
| karni | I should probably ask nessita about that. | 18:54 |
| karni | Oh wait.. there's a code in the e-mail, not a link IIRC. That's even less comfortable on the phone o_O | 18:55 |
| beuno | karni, well, if there's a code I'm sure we can provide a URL | 19:01 |
| beuno | they need to confirm their email address when they sign up for the first time | 19:01 |
| karni | beuno: So instead of going to the browser to register, you'll go to your favourite mail app, click the link, launch the browser, and redirect to U1F, is that correct? | 19:01 |
| beuno | karni, that is indeed a nessita question :) | 19:03 |
| karni | I'll have to look into that. Uhm :) | 19:03 |
| karni | beuno: I feel bad for talking to you on Sunday! I should let you get rest. | 19:04 |
| beuno | karni, well, I can voluntarily leave my computer at any time... | 19:04 |
| karni | yes you can :D | 19:04 |
| karni | lunch time | 19:54 |
| mongy | when do you think delta sync's will be available ? | 21:45 |
| mongy | currently, if I install a fresh ubuntu, and then copy over all my data (because its quicker than letting U1 handle it) and then setup U1, U1 then wants to upload everything all over again. | 21:46 |
| beuno | mongy, there's going to be something called magic uploads soon | 21:51 |
| beuno | it'll make it very quick to re-upload a file that has been uploaded before | 21:51 |
| beuno | so as long as the files' content hasn't changed, it will upload any amount of data very quickly | 21:51 |
| mongy | magic oooo, sounds, magic | 21:51 |
| mongy | I thought actually it would already ignore files that already exist | 21:52 |
| mongy | is this a checksum thing? | 21:52 |
| mongy | or lack of | 21:52 |
| beuno | no, it needs to be much more complicated than checksum to ensure people aren't stealing files | 21:53 |
| mongy | I mean, the files arent different, checksum or otherwise, but U1 wants them all in full regardless | 21:53 |
| beuno | right, for natty, that'll be fixed | 21:53 |
| karni | beuno: 'strealing files' ? | 21:53 |
| mongy | nice | 21:54 |
| karni | *stealing | 21:54 |
| karni | crap.. what's wrong with my fingers ;d | 21:54 |
| mongy | one more Q. if I buy a 20gig pack (its a stupid question) do I get 22gig? | 21:54 |
| karni | mongy: 2 are free, yes | 21:54 |
| mongy | thought so. | 21:54 |
| beuno | karni, yeah, people may hack the client to pretend they ahv files they don't | 21:54 |
| beuno | mongy, yes, 22gb | 21:54 |
| mongy | I am waiting on this natty fix before I buy 20gig, because, I dont wanna re-upload 20gig of stuff | 21:54 |
| karni | beuno: interesting. I thought it still depends on some credentials bundled-in. | 21:55 |
| beuno | mongy, it should be in the nightly builds the following weeks | 21:56 |
| beuno | karni, well, if a different user has already uploaded that same file, we could do the same and save you some bandwidth | 21:56 |
| karni | beuno: talking about 're-uploading' present content - I was also thinking about that today :) (but it'll not be easy, as computing hashes of many files can be cpu intensive/battery consuming - user choice ;) ) | 21:56 |
| karni | beuno: ah :D haha sounds cool | 21:56 |
| mongy | this delta, so I sync a file called test.txt with the number 1 in it, I then edit it to say 2, it only sends changes, not the whole file? | 21:57 |
| beuno | mongy, no, still no file deltas | 21:57 |
| karni | mongy: not really (from what I know). delta is used to quickly ask the server "what has changed since x" without telling it what files you have. | 21:57 |
| mongy | ah | 21:57 |
| mongy | for a large file, it would be nice. | 21:58 |
| intrader_ | Anyone, I don't quite understand; I have two laptops connected to Ubuntu-One. On one I update a file on computer one, I use the applet on the computer one, and I do a restart. On computer two, I open the file; I don't see the changes. On computer two the ubuntu-one applet is hangin on Synchornization in progress... | 21:58 |
| mongy | Q, renaming a file would cause it to reupload the whole file still? | 21:58 |
| karni | mongy: so instead of getting, say, whole file list, you say "give me the files 'changed' since x" | 21:58 |
| karni | mongy: no, just a rename. | 21:58 |
| karni | mongy: the file contents don't change. filename is just meta data. | 21:58 |
| beuno | mongy, not sure, but either way, with magic uploads it won't matter :) | 21:59 |
| mongy | good, I dont wanna upload more than once on my crappy crapola connection | 21:59 |
| karni | I feel I'm starting to know quite much about U1 ^^ | 21:59 |
| * karni goes back to add a Toast 'Incoming changes' :D | 22:00 | |
| beuno | karni, https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/send-magic-hash/+merge/49872 | 22:00 |
| karni | beuno: uuuu, cool! | 22:01 |
| * karni saves the link | 22:01 | |
| intrader_ | Anyone, when I click on restart on computer two, finally I get synchronization complete. The date of the file has not changed, either here, on on th web site for ubuntu-one. | 22:16 |
| mongy | rye's indicator is the most useful indicator that ever was. | 22:18 |
| mongy | currently uploading/downloading, recently published! cool | 22:19 |
| karni | sometimes I wonder why there was so much fuss around the indicator and deciding to remove it.. | 22:19 |
| karni | I haven't used it, but I've seen screenshots, and rye's indicator is really neat. | 22:19 |
| mongy | and its not -in-your-face- | 22:19 |
| karni | intrader_: did you want to ask a question perhaps? | 22:20 |
| mongy | canonical need to see it, and use it | 22:20 |
| karni | mongy: rye works for Canonical if I'm not mistaken ;) | 22:20 |
| mongy | karni, well, its odd his own work hasnt made it into a release | 22:20 |
| mongy | well I at least hope its in the standard repos when natty hits. | 22:21 |
| mongy | it deserves it. | 22:21 |
| karni | mongy: it's not a one person decision you know. | 22:21 |
| karni | :) | 22:21 |
| mongy | put me in charge for 5 minutes, it is a done deal | 22:22 |
| mongy | well anyway, I'd like it in the official repo and not a ppa in natty. kk thx | 22:22 |
| karni | hahah :) | 22:22 |
| karni | I agree, it should be in official repos as well. | 22:23 |
| karni | I'm back to work. | 22:23 |
| mongy | I missed the notifications for U1, but then I got this and now I know there is a better way. | 22:24 |
| mongy | seems canonical are missing it completely if they wanna reintroduce the nagging notifications | 22:24 |
| intrader_ | karni, yes, how does synchronization of files work. I update file on cone computer but do not see change on another computer also connected to ubuntuone. | 22:25 |
| karni | intrader_: that's weird.. | 22:26 |
| karni | intrader_: you can check what $ u1sdtool -s command says on both computers | 22:27 |
| karni | intrader_: but basically, if you used the same account, it should sync automagically between them.. | 22:27 |
| karni | intrader_: I can't help right now, I'm sorry. But please come back tomorrow few hours earlier than now, there should be more ppl to help you :) | 22:28 |
| intrader_ | karni, that's what I thought, but it does not work for me. The tool ulsdtool is not in computer one or two. | 22:28 |
| intrader_ | karni, no problem. Thanks | 22:29 |
| karni | intrader_: you can try in terminal (say, gnome-terminal): u1sdtool --status (u-ONE-sdtool not l like L) U1SDTOOL :) | 22:29 |
| karni | intrader_: or install magicicada! that'll let you know what's going on with the sync daemon | 22:30 |
| intrader_ | Looks ok, but yet the file is not updated - description ---> processing queues whatever that means | 22:38 |
| beuno | mongy, FWIW, there hasn't been indicator work because of Unity | 22:38 |
| beuno | mongy, Unity will have a place where to show that type of information, and already has notifications | 22:38 |
| intrader_ | karni, both computers have same results for u1sdtool -s | 22:43 |
| karni | intrader_: processing queues means it's working. don't restart, give it some time maybe :) | 22:44 |
| karni | intrader_: you can check u1sdtool --help (u1sdtool --waiting-meta, u1sdtool --waiting-content, etc) | 22:44 |
| intrader_ | karni, that is a lot of stuff. Can't make out what it means. | 22:50 |
| karni | intrader_: sorry, I'm in a rush ^ ^ so basically, | 22:50 |
| karni | intrader_: if it says processing queues, it means that it's preparing for sync in general. | 22:50 |
| intrader_ | karni, np - | 22:50 |
| karni | intrader_: you can check how much content there is waiting for upload with: u1sdtool --waiting-content | 22:50 |
| karni | intrader_: you can check how much "information" there is being processed, you can check with: u1sdtool --waiting-meta | 22:51 |
| karni | information about your files, not the file content themselve. | 22:51 |
| intrader_ | karni, --waiting-content ---> no response. | 22:52 |
| karni | intrader_: yea.. :( you should come back tomorrow for better guys at this than me ;) | 22:52 |
| intrader_ | karni, I will do that. In the meantime I'll walk the stuff over. | 22:53 |
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