[10:44] newest (yesterday 19.) daily is missing nm-applet [13:19] mr_pouit: yeah, pidgin is really unusable in natty [13:20] mr_pouit: installing xfce4-indicator-plugin and adding it to the panel doesn't make pidgin show up [13:20] mr_pouit: it doesn't seem to have any extra dependencies and only one recommend (messages) [13:21] yeah, then you probably need indicator-messages [13:21] crap, then we always have the stupid "email"-icon in the systray-region... [13:22] mr_pouit: yeah, with indicator-messages it works [13:22] mr_pouit: does thunderbird at least integrate with that? [13:23] micahg might know that [13:24] seems that by default it's not in the message-menu [13:24] ochosi: is there an option in pidgin to use the systray? [13:24] good question, i'll have a look [13:24] then we could ship a default config in xubuntu-default-settings for that [13:25] hah, yeah there is [13:25] and it still works [13:25] it's just deactivated by default [13:26] wondering whether there are any other apps (transmission?) that use indicators by default [13:26] also xchat is a possible candidate [13:27] oh dear, transmission also doesn't show up in the systray [13:28] i mean it still works as an application since its systray-icon is deactivated by default, so closing the window exits the app [13:28] but it's still a loss of functionality, and the systray-option in transmission simply doesn't work (even with the indicator-plugin) [13:29] now you understand the "I don't care, I'm THE ubuntu gtk desktop" attitude ;> [13:29] yuck [13:30] well good catch on your side though, at least we still have some (even if little) time [13:31] xchat still works btw [13:31] i mean: as expected [13:32] side note: we still have gigolo in natty default installation, shouldn't be needed anymore [13:32] Sysi: no, it's still useful [13:32] because you can't bookmark remote locations in thunar [13:33] mr_pouit: the resize-grip overlays the account-image in pidgin's right lower corner :) [13:33] alright [13:34] hm, we also still have vinagre installed even though i have no clue why [13:34] remote desktop thing [13:34] yep [13:34] but: why? [13:34] maybe we can remove it, i've no idea if someone actually uses it [13:34] remote desktop viewer? vinagre? [13:35] charlie-tca: could you make that a point of discussion in the next meeting: discussion whether to keep/remove vinagre by default? [13:35] i do use that :) [13:36] though, i don't see much need to install it by default [13:37] yep [13:37] mr_pouit: is there anything we can do to make thunar start up faster? [13:37] i know we discussed this a few times already but the issue is still there [13:37] I don't think so =[ [13:37] awwhh... [13:38] that's really bad, because everyone will notice that [13:38] it depends on something gvfs related [13:38] it starts fast in a vm for me, but is very slow on my normal system [13:38] deleting files is also slower now [13:39] i haven't noticed that startup lag badly [13:39] ..it is slow, at least some times [13:39] mr_pouit: do you think it makes sense to contact jannis about it? (or have you already?) [13:41] he's already aware of that afaik [13:42] k [13:48] mr_pouit: not sure what we should do, either add xfce4-indicator-plugin by default or set pidgin to use the trayicon [13:48] (the fact that transmission's trayicon is gone really sucks independantly of that) [13:58] mr_pouit: exo-default menu-items and launchers work and look great so far, just tested them again with a clean user [13:58] nice, thanks for testing [13:59] np [14:59] ochosi: added to agenda [15:00] charlie-tca: thanks [15:01] mr_pouit, ochosi : I thought I read that Xfce 4.10 will use xfce4-indicator-plugin by default. If so, shouldn't we look at switching to it and get people used to that thing? [15:01] Could be failing to remember too, though [15:01] hm, if that's true then that could be a good argument to add it to the panel [15:01] but i don't remember hearing anything like that [15:02] maybe mr_pouit knows for sure. I don't want to do it if it isn't going to there. [15:05] it's not in the 4.10 roadmap so I wouldn't count on indicator support to be added to the panel [15:06] oh, then it is failing memory :-) [15:06] xfce4-indicator-plugin is available anyway, and improvements/bugfixes are probably welcome [15:21] we still use system-config printer gnome instead of xfprint4? [15:21] xfprint4 is deprecated and unmaintained [15:21] only mousepad still uses it I think [15:22] ah [15:22] it's pretty hard to eep track on things when distroes do everything differently [15:28] eep eep eep! [15:29] EEP! [15:32] :) [16:46] ochosi: I think chrisccoulson will be working on messaging integration, but idr if that's this cycle or next cycle === identify_tardis is now known as mark76 [19:03] micahg: right, atm there doesn't seem to be ootb integration for thunderbird [19:03] in fact for me that would be an argument not to integrate the indicator-plugin [19:03] but we can discuss that thursday [19:05] If we are not going to see the indicator pluin in 4.10, we are spinning our wheels debating it at all. [19:05] well the plugin will be there, just (maybe) no native support in the panel [19:06] tbh i prefer the plugin solution to native panel support [19:06] Then the user can install it, right? [19:06] not all distros have/use the indicators [19:06] yep [19:07] we can even decide to install it by default but not add it to the panel by default (much like verve or dict) [19:07] that would make it easier for users who decide they want/need the indicators [19:08] indicator support should come next cycle as we consider moving Ubuntu to Thunderbird as a default [19:08] charlie-tca: I don't understand what you mean. We already have several panel plugins in the default install [19:08] and they are not part of the panel [19:09] I am thinking way ahead, will the plugin be maintained by the time 4.10 hits? If we put it in the panel, and it doesn't keep up, what happens? [19:10] that could theoretically happen to any plugin [19:10] true [19:10] kind of like "places", I guess [19:11] yeah, much like that [19:12] okay, if it needs discussion, add it to the agenda, otherwise, let mr_pouit decide [19:15] hm, the main thing that bugs me about the indicator-plugin is that it seemingly doesn't work for stuff like transmission [19:15] that suggests that other apps might just as well not work [19:15] and with transmission it's really a pity, that they patched away the systray-support === surreal7z_ is now known as surreal7z [23:21] * surreal7z is away: rolling a joint