[00:01] <g0bl1n> sh*t, I have a Asus 1215N with an unusable NVidia :-/
[00:02] <g0bl1n> BUGabundo: not ours ?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> !info virtualbox-ose
[00:04] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox-ose is in the natty repositories
[00:08] <g0bl1n> bjsnider: any way to manually use the NVidia ? bypassing Optimus ?
[00:18] <bjsnider> no
[00:20] <viator> howo do i change the prefs for the doc thing in natty
[00:27] <viator> i guess the dock thing is called the launcher
[00:28] <viator> so wheres the menu for changing settings in launcher
[01:01] <Daekdroom> !info php5
[01:24] <Spirits-sight> anyone know how I can get pass the checker like screen when starting in live CD for 11.04 daily?
[01:27] <coz_> hey guys
[01:28] <Spirits-sight> anyone know how I can get pass the checker like screen when starting in live CD for 11.04 daily?
[01:31] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  I havent seen that ...but I also havent used the live cd for a while
[01:32] <Spirits-sight> the alpha 2 also was doing that
[01:32] <Spirits-sight> I have nvdia card that why I guess
[01:32] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  oh  yeah that might be it
[01:33] <coz_> Spirits-sight,   I used a daily build from pre alpha I think ... still updating but I dont update any xorg  x11  or xserver stuff because of the nvidia issue
[01:33] <Spirits-sight> I wish I could get alpha 1 cd still
[01:34] <coz_> mmm let me see if its still available
[01:34] <Spirits-sight> I don't see where can download its not up on the site anymore it seems
[01:35] <coz_> mm yeah .apparenlty all links to it are gone
[01:36] <Spirits-sight> if it wasn't I would download it as it was very stable for me
[01:36] <Spirits-sight> I am reinstalling 10.10 right now
[01:37] <coz_> Spirits-sight,     http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/
[01:37] <coz_> oo wait
[01:38] <coz_> thats cloud
[01:38] <Spirits-sight> I heard that in the edger rep that nvdia was fine using the 3d experiment driver and I try to do this with 10.10 and it appears I got into trouble too LOL
[01:38] <coz_> :)
[01:38] <coz_> there has to be a link to alpha 1  still existing somewhere
[01:38] <Spirits-sight> I don't care  I don't have anything on system LOL
[01:39] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  dont you have the original alpha 1 cd ?
[01:39] <Spirits-sight> no, I did update-manager -d LOL  I wish I made cd now   o well what can one do now
[01:39] <coz_> oh ok
[01:39] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  a clean install would be much nicer
[01:40] <Spirits-sight> aways,  however I need to get into the install first now :(  I wish you could tell it to do low res for install like can do afterwards
[01:40] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  looks like the alpha 1 is wiped away
[01:41] <Spirits-sight> if could that seem to work
[01:41] <Spirits-sight> yep thats what I notice also about alpha1
[01:41] <Spirits-sight> gone non-existen
[01:41] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  if you are going to update from 10.10  I suggeste not updateing the xorg  x11 or xserver stuff but that may be difficult with upgrades
[01:42] <Spirits-sight> is there a way to do this?
[01:42] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  I couldnt answer that off hand
[01:43] <Spirits-sight> it would be nice to tell update-manager to only install to a date of updates  that would be good / cool
[01:43] <Spirits-sight> I would install three days before alpha2 came becasue thats when issues happen for me
[01:45] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  my guess is some obscure command is available for that ,, I just wouldnt know it
[01:52] <Spirits-sight> How can I tell it to use -nouveau at install before it loads the installer?
[01:53] <coz_> mmm
[01:53] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  not sure off hand
[01:54] <coz_> Spirits-sight,   actually it wil use nouveau because you dont have an nvidia driver installed
[01:54] <Spirits-sight> so I don't understand why my screen would be like a checker board then of many many sq :(
[01:55] <coz_> Spirits-sight,  I am completely puzzled b that one
[01:55] <coz_> by not  b
[01:55] <Spirits-sight> other people seems to be able use livecd :(
[01:55] <Spirits-sight> well my 10.10 is installed again :)
[01:57] <Spirits-sight> oo I think I just realize what may be doing it
[01:57] <Spirits-sight> brb
[02:26] <Spirits-Sight> well that not work  o well I move on wait for next alpha maybe it be fixed
[04:23] <uRock> Is there any way to get Unity to work in VBox?
[09:47] <zniavre> good morning
[09:47] <zniavre> !intel
[10:45] <gnomefreak> anyone else missing notices(beeps) when name is used or for any other reasons in irssi in Natty
[15:01] <Volkodav> does today's nvidia beta driver 270.26 work with new X ? Anybody tried yet ?
[15:02] <bjsnider> Volkodav, that is not a new driver, and no, it does not
[15:03] <Volkodav> well it has today's release date - I guess minor changes to the previous beta ?
[15:22] <bjsnider> Volkodav, where is the release announcement?
[15:27] <Volkodav> on their site
[15:27] <bjsnider> ok, the driver is a week old. end of story
[15:40] <gnomefreak> can i get 2 people 1 running natty with "ubuntu classic edition" and one running "ubuntu desktop edition". i need these people to please run the following command in gnome-terminal and let me know if you get sound. command is echo -e "\a"  please let me know what you find
[15:46] <arand> gnomefreak: Hmm, seems my pointer has stopped working, I'll be back after this round of updates...
[15:47] <gnomefreak> arand: thanks
[15:50]  * gnomefreak guessing "pointer" is the mouse pointer
[15:50] <gnomefreak> sorry im having an off day
[16:07] <arand> gnomefreak: Ah, pointer seems to have completely given up on me, and it seems like I don't have sound at all in my kvm, so I can't help.
[16:07] <gnomefreak> arand: thanks for trying
[16:08]  * gnomefreak found out how to add a custom launcher to panel :)
[16:08] <gnomefreak> 1 of about 15 things im working on
[16:08] <arand> gnomefreak: In general, beeps use either the alsa emulation or pcspkr, if you open alsa it seems like the default is that the beep is muted
[16:08] <arand> *alsamixer
[16:08] <gnomefreak> arand: you mean alsamixer?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> :) i didnt see it muted in there but let me check again
[16:10] <gnomefreak> it seems all the ones that are useful to me are not muted. PCM, Master, Front, Center, ect
[16:11] <gnomefreak> but pcspkr(assuming is the system beep from motherboard) has been disabled since early Maverick IIRC and removing the blacklist entry doesnt enable it. i have had a bug on it for a while
[16:12] <arand> Well, I don't know more that that, and I'm off, good luck
[16:12] <gnomefreak> stupid thing, to add a custom launcher to unity panel you have to add it to the desktop than drag+drop to panel than remove desktop icon
[16:12] <gnomefreak> arand: have a good day
[16:13] <gnomefreak> \smoke
[16:13] <gnomefreak> damn
[16:19] <gnomefreak> anyone have indicator-weather installed and in use?
[16:45]  * gnomefreak learning gnome is a bit harder to customize with unity. maybe once mutter is phased out it will make it a little easier
[16:45]  * gnomefreak dreaming
[17:02] <gnomefreak> printing dead for anyone else? i can only print to file
[17:03] <gnomefreak> oh well just one more problem to fix
[17:27] <yofel_> works fine here in KDE with my HP network printer
[17:30] <gnomefreak> for some reason my printer is no longer listed could be i forgot to plug in the USB but atm that is not my #1 thing on list
[17:35] <gnomefreak> i keep freezing due to video card drivers when i drop to TTY i get ati errors
[17:36] <gnomefreak> well at least the indicator-weather is loading on start up (reboot and restarting gdm)
[17:37] <gnomefreak> though it could use a better gui, its too plain
[17:38] <platius> just did a fresh install of a2, brought it up to date and the default desktop appears not to be unity - no dock panel.
[17:39] <gnomefreak> platius: on the log in screen be sure to have Ubuntu Desktop Edition as your default. maybe you dont have your 3d drivers installed?
[17:40] <gnomefreak> not sure what you mean by default desktop or dock panel for that matter. if you mean the launcher panel(unity) icons to launch apps/menus from. are you only seeing the upper gnome panel?
[17:42] <platius> gnomefreak;  I have an nvidia card should I install the Experimental 3d? I mean the docky looking panel that appears on the left side in unity.
[17:43] <gnomefreak> platius: use our drivers. open jockey and install nvidia-current (depending on the card you have
[17:44] <gnomefreak> IIRC there is also X transition. let me see if its still there
[17:44] <gnomefreak> platius: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html
[17:44] <gnomefreak> that is likely your problem
[17:44] <yofel> note: with current X the nvidia drivers don't work, you'll have to downgrade X if you want to use nvidia-current
[17:44] <bjsnider> nvidia-current does not currently work with natty
[17:44] <platius> gnomefreak;  thanks
[17:45] <gnomefreak> http://blumonc/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/workqueue-natty.html  doesnt work
[17:45] <gnomefreak> that is most likely why his isnt working but i dont know what he has installed or not
[17:45] <platius> gnomefreak;  how do I open jockey?
[17:46] <gnomefreak> i know my screen just started maybe 20 minutes ago freezing/refreshing
[17:46] <yofel> platius: open hardware drivers from somewhere in the menu, or press alt+f2 and run jockey-gtk
[17:46] <yofel> and as I said, don't try to install nvidia-current
[17:47] <gnomefreak> platius: sinc eyou dont have the left panel i suggest either using classic desktop edition for now or open a terminal and type jockey-gtk, but as bjsnider said the current drivers wont work so you best to wait
[17:47] <platius> OK I will wait
[17:47]  * gnomefreak personally would stick with 1 driver
[17:47] <yofel> he can install the experimental nouveau 3D libs though from jockey
[17:47] <gnomefreak> platius: load the classic desktop edition (its the old gnome desktop)
[17:48] <yofel> maybe he has more luck with nouveau than I have
[17:48] <bjsnider> yofel, do you have a parochial card?
[17:48] <gnomefreak> i didnt relize nouveau was 3d since we use it as default driver on install i thought 2d was it
[17:48] <yofel> bjsnider: what's that..
[17:48] <bjsnider> old, out of date
[17:49] <bjsnider> behind the times
[17:49] <yofel> mine's: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)
[17:49] <gnomefreak> hell i have 5200 6200 9500 and this ati HD4200
[17:49] <yofel> nouveau freezes after a few minutes for me which makes it pretty unusable
[17:49] <bjsnider> anything prior to the geforce 8000
[17:49] <bjsnider> yofel, that is definitely a newer card. it should work ok
[17:50] <bjsnider> perhaps there's some other issue with your system
[17:50] <yofel> bjsnider: I filed it as bug 711908
[17:50] <bjsnider> yofel, you should probaby file it upstream with the nouveau guys as well
[17:50] <platius> I have a NV44 6200 turbo card
[17:50] <bjsnider> now that is a parochial card
[17:51] <bjsnider> it might make a good doorstop
[17:51] <bjsnider> or perhaps a shoehorn
[17:51] <gnomefreak> googleizer is broken too
[17:51] <platius> it is on my play with linux box
[17:52] <gnomefreak> my 6200 works fine as long as i use classic, but i think my main issue was the proc and the 256mb ram. i have no problems with my dualcore adn 4gig mem
[17:54] <gnomefreak> hmm did doesnt see my printer at all, and since it has been since what dapper something changed. its one of those HP printers that work out of box nothing to be done oh well. im gone for a while eat lunch and do some work
[18:36] <Punkoff> My networkmanager applet gone crazy when I enabled Ad-hoc networking. It's reconnecting, reconnecting, reconnecting and reconnecting again
[18:56] <test_> Hi all, I saw a few xorg updates coming by today, should this fix some of the driver issues?
[18:57] <yofel> *which* driver issues affect you?
[18:59] <test_> the one where jockey-gtk says I have broken packages
[18:59] <yofel> if you mean nvidia, no, still not working
[18:59] <test_> I still dont know if thats a result of the driver issues or some weird fluke of jockey
[19:00] <test_> I have an ait Radeon HD3600
[19:00] <yofel> if you want to install fglrx from jockey I would think that ends in the same problem as nvidia, i.e. it tries to remove X when installing the driver
[19:09] <Daekdroom> HD3xxx should work very well with the opensource driver anyway
[19:33] <test_> Daekdroom, you are right, I can run unity again!
[19:49] <platius> interesting, swapped out my older nvidia card with a Radeon HD4350, removed the nivdia drivers and viola! unity is working again.
[20:00] <Daekdroom> Is there gonna be a transition to GTK3 in this cycle?
[20:00] <s0u][ight> hello, what is the name of the volume indicator in unity?
[20:01] <Daekdroom> s0u][ight, indicator-soundmenu I think
[20:01] <s0u][ight> gnome-terminal can't find command
[20:03] <Pici> Daekdroom: I didn't think so.  I remember seeing something in a changelog about not moving to GTK3 by default.  I could be wrong though.
[20:16] <toresbe> hey folks - TV out stopped working after upgrading to natty - TV is detected, but no output. Any suggestions on how I can narrow this down, so that I may write a decent bug report (and get to watch stuff on my TV)? :)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:46] <judgen> Seems that with my current user GTK refuses to use the engine specified in the .gtkrc-2.0 file while it works fine when launching apps as su
[20:47] <judgen> and the gtkrc files are identical on the root account and the user file
[20:49] <toresbe> For what it's worth, the Xorg log shows no indication of anything amiss, it's just that the TV is black.
[20:52] <judgen> argh, why does it ignore my settings in /home/username but it respects them in /root
[20:52] <judgen> very odd indeed
[20:53] <whiz> hi all. I upgraded to alpha 2 on Dell XPS 1530 from 10.10. Have to go to recovery ubuntu desktop to work. wireless is not working and nvidia x drivers, i cant update them with Update Drivers link.
[20:53] <whiz> I wanted to try unity, but with the recovery its my earlier gnome that I am currently in
[20:54] <whiz> anyway I can work around these issues to get unity going ?
[20:55] <yofel> you can remove the nvidia driver and see if nouveau had 3D support for your card, possibly you'll need the experimental 3D libs for nouveau
[20:55] <yofel> nvidia hasn't released a driver that works with xserver 1.10 yet
[20:57] <whiz> http://pastebin.com/twgDL4Qx is my lsmod output. I think it has nouveau already. isn't it ?
[20:57] <yofel> if you don't have the nvidia drivers installed it will use nouveau, but it's better to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:00] <whiz> http://pastebin.com/zsCHygZQ it says it has fatal error and it couldn't find nvidia drivers
[21:00] <whiz> so I am assuming its using the nouveau since it doesnot find nvidia
[21:00] <yofel> whiz: delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:01] <whiz> yofel: and restart X ?
[21:01] <yofel> the config file tells it to use nividia, so it doesn't try to use anything else
[21:01] <yofel> yep
[21:02] <whiz> ok. will do. any idea about how to get wireless working? and do u think restart will also help resolve the unity issue? currently unity just gives me my wallpaper. nothign else.
[21:02] <whiz> so have to go back to Ubuntu Desktop Session recover which is taking me to a gnome session
[21:02] <yofel> works fine here, so it depends on the card you have and where exactly it fails
[21:03] <whiz> ok. what do you use for wireless? I tried wicd and it gave a DBus error. and then says bad password though i entered the correct password.
[21:04] <yofel> network manager in KDE with a Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35) card
[21:05] <whiz> ok. I haven't seen the NetworkManager in the tasbar, so I went and check with wicd
[21:08] <whiz> if u mean knetworkmanager, i just started it. still says connecting let me see how that goes
[21:08] <yofel> I use the plasma applet, but knetworkmanager should work the same in theory
[21:10] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/722689 => this gets fixed on next kernel upload I guess ?
[21:10] <whiz> ok is there a Networkmanager gnome equivalent for unity ?
[21:11] <yofel> dupondje: if it's fixed post -rc5 I would assume so
[21:12] <dupondje> its fixed in the kernel indeed :)
[21:12] <yofel> at least the next upload that rebases against -rc6 should fix it
[21:16] <dupondje> and network manager broken also :(
[21:16] <dupondje> bleh :P
[21:16] <whiz> hmm..
[21:16] <whiz> yofel: I dont see a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:17] <whiz> i see xrg.conf.backup and lots of backup files but not a xorg.conf
[21:17] <yofel> odd, without one, it shouldn't try to load the nvidia driver
[21:18] <bjsnider> whiz, line 17 of your pastebin says xorg.conf does exist
[21:20] <whiz> bjsnider: yeah, (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" but it doesnot exist :(
[21:20] <bjsnider> it does exist
[21:21] <whiz> can't find it. not hidden as well. http://pastebin.com/9X4eqX0X is ls -al on /etc/X11
[21:22] <whiz> btw, I went into recovery mode. both in grub option and in X option on login screen.
[21:22] <whiz> would that mean, it looks for this file else where ?
[21:23] <bjsnider> it existed when you tried to do the boot that resulted in that pastebin
[21:24] <whiz> I tried regenerating X configuration on recovery. Could that have deleted it?
[21:25] <bjsnider> could have
[21:25] <bjsnider> try rebooting
[21:25] <whiz> ok. brb
[21:32] <whiz> hi again. now no problems with X, thought there desktop bar app crashed on login.
[21:32] <whiz> but I check on Ubuntu Desktop Session and it took me to the GNOME desktop. is it the default behaviour. I was hoping to see the Unity desktop
[21:33] <bjsnider> you would need compositing to do unity
[21:33] <bjsnider> ie. the nvidia driver, which currently doesn't work the natty
[21:35] <whiz> oh ok. when I go to Additional Drivers, I see the 3D driver for NVidia, should I try and install it ?
[21:36] <bjsnider> no
[21:36] <whiz> ok. it was Experimental 3D drivers for NVidia. not installing
[21:36] <bjsnider> it would demand that you pull out the whole xorg system anyway. nvidia is working on a driver update blah blah blah
[21:37] <whiz> oh got it thnx.
[21:37] <whiz> so it means that for these NVidia graphic cards, Unity is not going to work until we have the new Driver from Nvidia. is that a correct statement ?
[21:38] <bjsnider> it is
[21:38] <bjsnider> nouveau might work but it just ain't stable enough for prime time
[21:39] <whiz> ok. do we have some timeline from Nvidia guys that you are aware of ?
[21:39] <bjsnider> never have that
[21:39] <bjsnider> they are relatively secretive
[21:39] <bjsnider> they release drivers at irregular and unpredictable intervals
[21:40] <whiz> lol ok. thnx for ur help. I will have to stick to GNOME then. so, 11.04 will start with unity if you have supported driver and if not defaults to GNOME. right ?
[21:41] <bjsnider> nvidia will definitely have a working driver supporting the current x-server by april, probably by the end of this month
[21:42] <whiz> ok. hope so. wanted to give unity a try but that will have to wait till month then
[21:43] <whiz> thnx for all your quick responses.
[22:04] <Gulfstream> is it safe to run a dist-upgrade on natty from alpha 1?
[22:05] <yofel> sure, unless you need working proprietary graphics drivers and want to keep old X
[22:08] <Gulfstream> my nvidia card doesn't work well with thee latest dailies...
[22:09] <whiz> what is this libwebkitgtk-dbg. its 244MB :o
[22:13] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:16] <bjsnider> whiz, it is a debug package only needed if you are specifically debugging libwebkitgtk. and if you don't know what it is you aren't debugging anything
[22:21] <Gulfstream> after the upcoming freeze, will Natty become more stable fairly quickly?
[22:21] <Gulfstream> like, will the X.org stack work on -nvidia better?
[22:26] <yofel> Gulfstream: it will become more stable as bugs get fixed, but nvidia will work as soon as nvidia releases a new driver, no ETA for that so far
[22:30] <Gulfstream> yofel: how do I find out when nvidia releases a new driver?
[22:31] <yofel> Gulfstream: watch #nvidia when it says  a new beta driver is out (grater than 270.26), or just watch the x-updates PPA - and when a new one gets out poke here if it does indeed work
[22:32] <yofel> the last beta driver they released still doesn't work :/
[22:53] <Gulfstream> so there was a new driver for nvidia that came out today
[22:54] <Gulfstream> I plan to test that, but do I need to install the driver before or after I run dist-upgrade?
[22:55] <bjsnider> what new driver is this?
[22:57] <Gulfstream> 270.26, it looks like it came out today
[22:58] <Gulfstream> how do I stop X server so I can install the driver?
[23:00] <Gulfstream> bjsnider: I am not sure if that is what you were asking for...
[23:01] <robin0800> Gulfstream, does it work with the new x server?
[23:02] <Gulfstream> robin0800: I am not sure
[23:03] <Gulfstream> I just installed Natty from an alpha 1 disc or a disc from before LIbreOffice was included
[23:04] <robin0800> Gulfstream, well should you really install it then?
[23:04] <bjsnider> 270.26 is a week old and doesn't work with natty
[23:05] <Gulfstream> oh... I must have been misreading something then...
[23:07] <coz_> yeah I believe there is a new driver release and a new beta
[23:07] <coz_> but let me check again
[23:07] <bjsnider> there isn't
[23:07] <bjsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2394673&postcount=2
[23:08] <bjsnider> there's the guy responsible talking about why
[23:08] <coz_> ah ok so the beta from february 21  is not good
[23:09] <coz_> ah yes aaronp
[23:09] <bjsnider> the 270.26 is a week old
[23:09] <bjsnider> it's not from feb 21
[23:10] <coz_> mm  ok I see release date is feb 21
[23:10] <bjsnider> where do you see that?
[23:10] <coz_> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[23:11] <bjsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606
[23:11] <bjsnider> the post date is the 15th
[23:12] <coz_> ok understood
[23:12] <bjsnider> the site you're going to is not reliable for linux driver releases
[23:13] <coz_> bjsnider,  ok thanks.. i will keep that link in mind
[23:19] <Gulfstream> is it safe to run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' when using Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 with nvidia (the current dailies are unusable)?
[23:20] <bjsnider> if you want to keep nvidia you should not upgrade the x-server packages
[23:20] <bjsnider> so the answer is probably not
[23:30] <coz_> Gulfstream,  yes what I did was simply open synaptic ,, click the status buggon and click on upgradeable packages
[23:30] <coz_> Gulfstream,   upgrade anything other than xorg   x11  xserver packages and all should be fine
[23:31] <coz_> status "button" rather