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g0bl1nsh*t, I have a Asus 1215N with an unusable NVidia :-/00:01
g0bl1nBUGabundo: not ours ?00:02
charlie-tca!info virtualbox-ose00:03
ubottuvirtualbox-ose (source: virtualbox-ose): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.0.2-dfsg-1ubuntu2 (natty), package size 14777 kB, installed size 42944 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 all)00:03
charlie-tcaVirtualBox-ose is in the natty repositories00:04
g0bl1nbjsnider: any way to manually use the NVidia ? bypassing Optimus ?00:08
bjsniderno00:18
viatorhowo do i change the prefs for the doc thing in natty00:20
viatori guess the dock thing is called the launcher00:27
viatorso wheres the menu for changing settings in launcher00:28
Daekdroom!info php501:01
ubottuphp5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.3-7ubuntu1 (natty), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB01:01
Spirits-sightanyone know how I can get pass the checker like screen when starting in live CD for 11.04 daily?01:24
coz_hey guys01:27
Spirits-sightanyone know how I can get pass the checker like screen when starting in live CD for 11.04 daily?01:28
coz_Spirits-sight,  I havent seen that ...but I also havent used the live cd for a while01:31
Spirits-sightthe alpha 2 also was doing that01:32
Spirits-sightI have nvdia card that why I guess01:32
coz_Spirits-sight,  oh  yeah that might be it01:32
coz_Spirits-sight,   I used a daily build from pre alpha I think ... still updating but I dont update any xorg  x11  or xserver stuff because of the nvidia issue01:33
Spirits-sightI wish I could get alpha 1 cd still01:33
coz_mmm let me see if its still available01:34
Spirits-sightI don't see where can download its not up on the site anymore it seems01:34
coz_mm yeah .apparenlty all links to it are gone01:35
Spirits-sightif it wasn't I would download it as it was very stable for me01:36
Spirits-sightI am reinstalling 10.10 right now01:36
coz_Spirits-sight,     http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/01:37
coz_oo wait01:37
coz_thats cloud01:38
Spirits-sightI heard that in the edger rep that nvdia was fine using the 3d experiment driver and I try to do this with 10.10 and it appears I got into trouble too LOL01:38
coz_:)01:38
coz_there has to be a link to alpha 1  still existing somewhere01:38
Spirits-sightI don't care  I don't have anything on system LOL01:38
coz_Spirits-sight,  dont you have the original alpha 1 cd ?01:39
Spirits-sightno, I did update-manager -d LOL  I wish I made cd now   o well what can one do now01:39
coz_oh ok01:39
coz_Spirits-sight,  a clean install would be much nicer01:39
Spirits-sightaways,  however I need to get into the install first now :(  I wish you could tell it to do low res for install like can do afterwards01:40
coz_Spirits-sight,  looks like the alpha 1 is wiped away01:40
Spirits-sightif could that seem to work01:41
Spirits-sightyep thats what I notice also about alpha101:41
Spirits-sightgone non-existen01:41
coz_Spirits-sight,  if you are going to update from 10.10  I suggeste not updateing the xorg  x11 or xserver stuff but that may be difficult with upgrades01:41
Spirits-sightis there a way to do this?01:42
coz_Spirits-sight,  I couldnt answer that off hand01:42
Spirits-sightit would be nice to tell update-manager to only install to a date of updates  that would be good / cool01:43
Spirits-sightI would install three days before alpha2 came becasue thats when issues happen for me01:43
coz_Spirits-sight,  my guess is some obscure command is available for that ,, I just wouldnt know it01:45
Spirits-sightHow can I tell it to use -nouveau at install before it loads the installer?01:52
coz_mmm01:53
coz_Spirits-sight,  not sure off hand01:53
coz_Spirits-sight,   actually it wil use nouveau because you dont have an nvidia driver installed01:54
Spirits-sightso I don't understand why my screen would be like a checker board then of many many sq :(01:54
coz_Spirits-sight,  I am completely puzzled b that one01:55
coz_by not  b01:55
Spirits-sightother people seems to be able use livecd :(01:55
Spirits-sightwell my 10.10 is installed again :)01:55
Spirits-sightoo I think I just realize what may be doing it01:57
Spirits-sightbrb01:57
Spirits-Sightwell that not work  o well I move on wait for next alpha maybe it be fixed02:26
uRockIs there any way to get Unity to work in VBox?04:23
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zniavregood morning09:47
zniavre!intel09:47
gnomefreakanyone else missing notices(beeps) when name is used or for any other reasons in irssi in Natty10:45
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Volkodavdoes today's nvidia beta driver 270.26 work with new X ? Anybody tried yet ?15:01
bjsniderVolkodav, that is not a new driver, and no, it does not15:02
Volkodavwell it has today's release date - I guess minor changes to the previous beta ?15:03
bjsniderVolkodav, where is the release announcement?15:22
Volkodavon their site15:27
bjsniderok, the driver is a week old. end of story15:27
gnomefreakcan i get 2 people 1 running natty with "ubuntu classic edition" and one running "ubuntu desktop edition". i need these people to please run the following command in gnome-terminal and let me know if you get sound. command is echo -e "\a"  please let me know what you find15:40
arandgnomefreak: Hmm, seems my pointer has stopped working, I'll be back after this round of updates...15:46
gnomefreakarand: thanks15:47
* gnomefreak guessing "pointer" is the mouse pointer15:50
gnomefreaksorry im having an off day15:50
arandgnomefreak: Ah, pointer seems to have completely given up on me, and it seems like I don't have sound at all in my kvm, so I can't help.16:07
gnomefreakarand: thanks for trying16:07
* gnomefreak found out how to add a custom launcher to panel :)16:08
gnomefreak1 of about 15 things im working on16:08
arandgnomefreak: In general, beeps use either the alsa emulation or pcspkr, if you open alsa it seems like the default is that the beep is muted16:08
arand*alsamixer16:08
gnomefreakarand: you mean alsamixer?16:08
gnomefreak:) i didnt see it muted in there but let me check again16:09
gnomefreakit seems all the ones that are useful to me are not muted. PCM, Master, Front, Center, ect16:10
gnomefreakbut pcspkr(assuming is the system beep from motherboard) has been disabled since early Maverick IIRC and removing the blacklist entry doesnt enable it. i have had a bug on it for a while16:11
arandWell, I don't know more that that, and I'm off, good luck16:12
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gnomefreakstupid thing, to add a custom launcher to unity panel you have to add it to the desktop than drag+drop to panel than remove desktop icon16:12
gnomefreakarand: have a good day16:12
gnomefreak\smoke16:13
gnomefreakdamn16:13
gnomefreakanyone have indicator-weather installed and in use?16:19
* gnomefreak learning gnome is a bit harder to customize with unity. maybe once mutter is phased out it will make it a little easier16:45
* gnomefreak dreaming16:45
gnomefreakprinting dead for anyone else? i can only print to file17:02
gnomefreakoh well just one more problem to fix17:03
yofel_works fine here in KDE with my HP network printer17:27
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gnomefreakfor some reason my printer is no longer listed could be i forgot to plug in the USB but atm that is not my #1 thing on list17:30
gnomefreaki keep freezing due to video card drivers when i drop to TTY i get ati errors17:35
gnomefreakwell at least the indicator-weather is loading on start up (reboot and restarting gdm)17:36
gnomefreakthough it could use a better gui, its too plain17:37
platiusjust did a fresh install of a2, brought it up to date and the default desktop appears not to be unity - no dock panel.17:38
gnomefreakplatius: on the log in screen be sure to have Ubuntu Desktop Edition as your default. maybe you dont have your 3d drivers installed?17:39
gnomefreaknot sure what you mean by default desktop or dock panel for that matter. if you mean the launcher panel(unity) icons to launch apps/menus from. are you only seeing the upper gnome panel?17:40
platiusgnomefreak;  I have an nvidia card should I install the Experimental 3d? I mean the docky looking panel that appears on the left side in unity.17:42
gnomefreakplatius: use our drivers. open jockey and install nvidia-current (depending on the card you have17:43
gnomefreakIIRC there is also X transition. let me see if its still there17:44
gnomefreakplatius: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html17:44
gnomefreakthat is likely your problem17:44
yofelnote: with current X the nvidia drivers don't work, you'll have to downgrade X if you want to use nvidia-current17:44
bjsnidernvidia-current does not currently work with natty17:44
platiusgnomefreak;  thanks17:44
gnomefreakhttp://blumonc/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/workqueue-natty.html  doesnt work17:45
gnomefreakthat is most likely why his isnt working but i dont know what he has installed or not17:45
platiusgnomefreak;  how do I open jockey?17:45
gnomefreaki know my screen just started maybe 20 minutes ago freezing/refreshing17:46
yofelplatius: open hardware drivers from somewhere in the menu, or press alt+f2 and run jockey-gtk17:46
yofeland as I said, don't try to install nvidia-current17:46
gnomefreakplatius: sinc eyou dont have the left panel i suggest either using classic desktop edition for now or open a terminal and type jockey-gtk, but as bjsnider said the current drivers wont work so you best to wait17:47
platiusOK I will wait17:47
* gnomefreak personally would stick with 1 driver17:47
yofelhe can install the experimental nouveau 3D libs though from jockey17:47
gnomefreakplatius: load the classic desktop edition (its the old gnome desktop)17:47
yofelmaybe he has more luck with nouveau than I have17:48
bjsnideryofel, do you have a parochial card?17:48
gnomefreaki didnt relize nouveau was 3d since we use it as default driver on install i thought 2d was it17:48
yofelbjsnider: what's that..17:48
bjsniderold, out of date17:48
bjsniderbehind the times17:49
yofelmine's: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)17:49
gnomefreakhell i have 5200 6200 9500 and this ati HD420017:49
yofelnouveau freezes after a few minutes for me which makes it pretty unusable17:49
bjsnideranything prior to the geforce 800017:49
bjsnideryofel, that is definitely a newer card. it should work ok17:49
bjsniderperhaps there's some other issue with your system17:50
yofelbjsnider: I filed it as bug 71190817:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 711908 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "[natty] frequent nouveau freeze on GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71190817:50
bjsnideryofel, you should probaby file it upstream with the nouveau guys as well17:50
platiusI have a NV44 6200 turbo card17:50
bjsnidernow that is a parochial card17:50
bjsniderit might make a good doorstop17:51
bjsnideror perhaps a shoehorn17:51
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gnomefreakgoogleizer is broken too17:51
platiusit is on my play with linux box17:51
gnomefreakmy 6200 works fine as long as i use classic, but i think my main issue was the proc and the 256mb ram. i have no problems with my dualcore adn 4gig mem17:52
gnomefreakhmm did doesnt see my printer at all, and since it has been since what dapper something changed. its one of those HP printers that work out of box nothing to be done oh well. im gone for a while eat lunch and do some work17:54
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PunkoffMy networkmanager applet gone crazy when I enabled Ad-hoc networking. It's reconnecting, reconnecting, reconnecting and reconnecting again18:36
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test_Hi all, I saw a few xorg updates coming by today, should this fix some of the driver issues?18:56
yofel*which* driver issues affect you?18:57
test_the one where jockey-gtk says I have broken packages18:59
yofelif you mean nvidia, no, still not working18:59
test_I still dont know if thats a result of the driver issues or some weird fluke of jockey18:59
test_I have an ait Radeon HD360019:00
yofelif you want to install fglrx from jockey I would think that ends in the same problem as nvidia, i.e. it tries to remove X when installing the driver19:00
DaekdroomHD3xxx should work very well with the opensource driver anyway19:09
test_Daekdroom, you are right, I can run unity again!19:33
platiusinteresting, swapped out my older nvidia card with a Radeon HD4350, removed the nivdia drivers and viola! unity is working again.19:49
DaekdroomIs there gonna be a transition to GTK3 in this cycle?20:00
s0u][ighthello, what is the name of the volume indicator in unity?20:00
Daekdrooms0u][ight, indicator-soundmenu I think20:01
s0u][ightgnome-terminal can't find command20:01
PiciDaekdroom: I didn't think so.  I remember seeing something in a changelog about not moving to GTK3 by default.  I could be wrong though.20:03
toresbehey folks - TV out stopped working after upgrading to natty - TV is detected, but no output. Any suggestions on how I can narrow this down, so that I may write a decent bug report (and get to watch stuff on my TV)? :)20:16
BUGabundoevening20:44
judgenSeems that with my current user GTK refuses to use the engine specified in the .gtkrc-2.0 file while it works fine when launching apps as su20:46
judgenand the gtkrc files are identical on the root account and the user file20:47
toresbeFor what it's worth, the Xorg log shows no indication of anything amiss, it's just that the TV is black.20:49
judgenargh, why does it ignore my settings in /home/username but it respects them in /root20:52
judgenvery odd indeed20:52
whizhi all. I upgraded to alpha 2 on Dell XPS 1530 from 10.10. Have to go to recovery ubuntu desktop to work. wireless is not working and nvidia x drivers, i cant update them with Update Drivers link.20:53
whizI wanted to try unity, but with the recovery its my earlier gnome that I am currently in20:53
whizanyway I can work around these issues to get unity going ?20:54
yofelyou can remove the nvidia driver and see if nouveau had 3D support for your card, possibly you'll need the experimental 3D libs for nouveau20:55
yofelnvidia hasn't released a driver that works with xserver 1.10 yet20:55
whizhttp://pastebin.com/twgDL4Qx is my lsmod output. I think it has nouveau already. isn't it ?20:57
yofelif you don't have the nvidia drivers installed it will use nouveau, but it's better to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log20:57
whizhttp://pastebin.com/zsCHygZQ it says it has fatal error and it couldn't find nvidia drivers21:00
whizso I am assuming its using the nouveau since it doesnot find nvidia21:00
yofelwhiz: delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf21:00
whizyofel: and restart X ?21:01
yofelthe config file tells it to use nividia, so it doesn't try to use anything else21:01
yofelyep21:01
whizok. will do. any idea about how to get wireless working? and do u think restart will also help resolve the unity issue? currently unity just gives me my wallpaper. nothign else.21:02
whizso have to go back to Ubuntu Desktop Session recover which is taking me to a gnome session21:02
yofelworks fine here, so it depends on the card you have and where exactly it fails21:02
whizok. what do you use for wireless? I tried wicd and it gave a DBus error. and then says bad password though i entered the correct password.21:03
yofelnetwork manager in KDE with a Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35) card21:04
whizok. I haven't seen the NetworkManager in the tasbar, so I went and check with wicd21:05
whizif u mean knetworkmanager, i just started it. still says connecting let me see how that goes21:08
yofelI use the plasma applet, but knetworkmanager should work the same in theory21:08
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/722689 => this gets fixed on next kernel upload I guess ?21:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 722689 in linux (Ubuntu) "visual corruption of all screen after upgrading to 2.6.38.4.18" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:10
whizok is there a Networkmanager gnome equivalent for unity ?21:10
yofeldupondje: if it's fixed post -rc5 I would assume so21:11
dupondjeits fixed in the kernel indeed :)21:12
yofelat least the next upload that rebases against -rc6 should fix it21:12
dupondjeand network manager broken also :(21:16
dupondjebleh :P21:16
whizhmm..21:16
whizyofel: I dont see a /etc/X11/xorg.conf21:16
whizi see xrg.conf.backup and lots of backup files but not a xorg.conf21:17
yofelodd, without one, it shouldn't try to load the nvidia driver21:17
bjsniderwhiz, line 17 of your pastebin says xorg.conf does exist21:18
whizbjsnider: yeah, (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" but it doesnot exist :(21:20
bjsniderit does exist21:20
whizcan't find it. not hidden as well. http://pastebin.com/9X4eqX0X is ls -al on /etc/X1121:21
whizbtw, I went into recovery mode. both in grub option and in X option on login screen.21:22
whizwould that mean, it looks for this file else where ?21:22
bjsniderit existed when you tried to do the boot that resulted in that pastebin21:23
whizI tried regenerating X configuration on recovery. Could that have deleted it?21:24
bjsnidercould have21:25
bjsnidertry rebooting21:25
whizok. brb21:25
whizhi again. now no problems with X, thought there desktop bar app crashed on login.21:32
whizbut I check on Ubuntu Desktop Session and it took me to the GNOME desktop. is it the default behaviour. I was hoping to see the Unity desktop21:32
bjsnideryou would need compositing to do unity21:33
bjsniderie. the nvidia driver, which currently doesn't work the natty21:33
whizoh ok. when I go to Additional Drivers, I see the 3D driver for NVidia, should I try and install it ?21:35
bjsniderno21:36
whizok. it was Experimental 3D drivers for NVidia. not installing21:36
bjsniderit would demand that you pull out the whole xorg system anyway. nvidia is working on a driver update blah blah blah21:36
whizoh got it thnx.21:37
whizso it means that for these NVidia graphic cards, Unity is not going to work until we have the new Driver from Nvidia. is that a correct statement ?21:37
bjsniderit is21:38
bjsnidernouveau might work but it just ain't stable enough for prime time21:38
whizok. do we have some timeline from Nvidia guys that you are aware of ?21:39
bjsnidernever have that21:39
bjsniderthey are relatively secretive21:39
bjsniderthey release drivers at irregular and unpredictable intervals21:39
whizlol ok. thnx for ur help. I will have to stick to GNOME then. so, 11.04 will start with unity if you have supported driver and if not defaults to GNOME. right ?21:40
bjsnidernvidia will definitely have a working driver supporting the current x-server by april, probably by the end of this month21:41
whizok. hope so. wanted to give unity a try but that will have to wait till month then21:42
whizthnx for all your quick responses.21:43
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Gulfstreamis it safe to run a dist-upgrade on natty from alpha 1?22:04
yofelsure, unless you need working proprietary graphics drivers and want to keep old X22:05
Gulfstreammy nvidia card doesn't work well with thee latest dailies...22:08
whizwhat is this libwebkitgtk-dbg. its 244MB :o22:09
pr0ph3thi all22:13
bjsniderwhiz, it is a debug package only needed if you are specifically debugging libwebkitgtk. and if you don't know what it is you aren't debugging anything22:16
Gulfstreamafter the upcoming freeze, will Natty become more stable fairly quickly?22:21
Gulfstreamlike, will the X.org stack work on -nvidia better?22:21
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yofelGulfstream: it will become more stable as bugs get fixed, but nvidia will work as soon as nvidia releases a new driver, no ETA for that so far22:26
Gulfstreamyofel: how do I find out when nvidia releases a new driver?22:30
yofelGulfstream: watch #nvidia when it says  a new beta driver is out (grater than 270.26), or just watch the x-updates PPA - and when a new one gets out poke here if it does indeed work22:31
yofelthe last beta driver they released still doesn't work :/22:32
Gulfstreamso there was a new driver for nvidia that came out today22:53
GulfstreamI plan to test that, but do I need to install the driver before or after I run dist-upgrade?22:54
bjsniderwhat new driver is this?22:55
Gulfstream270.26, it looks like it came out today22:57
Gulfstreamhow do I stop X server so I can install the driver?22:58
Gulfstreambjsnider: I am not sure if that is what you were asking for...23:00
robin0800Gulfstream, does it work with the new x server?23:01
Gulfstreamrobin0800: I am not sure23:02
GulfstreamI just installed Natty from an alpha 1 disc or a disc from before LIbreOffice was included23:03
robin0800Gulfstream, well should you really install it then?23:04
bjsnider270.26 is a week old and doesn't work with natty23:04
Gulfstreamoh... I must have been misreading something then...23:05
coz_yeah I believe there is a new driver release and a new beta23:07
coz_but let me check again23:07
bjsniderthere isn't23:07
bjsniderhttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2394673&postcount=223:07
bjsniderthere's the guy responsible talking about why23:08
coz_ah ok so the beta from february 21  is not good23:08
coz_ah yes aaronp23:09
bjsniderthe 270.26 is a week old23:09
bjsniderit's not from feb 2123:09
coz_mm  ok I see release date is feb 2123:10
bjsniderwhere do you see that?23:10
coz_http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us23:10
bjsniderhttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12260623:11
bjsniderthe post date is the 15th23:11
coz_ok understood23:12
bjsniderthe site you're going to is not reliable for linux driver releases23:12
coz_bjsnider,  ok thanks.. i will keep that link in mind23:13
Gulfstreamis it safe to run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' when using Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 1 with nvidia (the current dailies are unusable)?23:19
bjsniderif you want to keep nvidia you should not upgrade the x-server packages23:20
bjsniderso the answer is probably not23:20
coz_Gulfstream,  yes what I did was simply open synaptic ,, click the status buggon and click on upgradeable packages23:30
coz_Gulfstream,   upgrade anything other than xorg   x11  xserver packages and all should be fine23:30
coz_status "button" rather23:31

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