=== james is now known as Guest49747 [00:57] all sorted with flash 10.2 [00:57] i needed to create /etc/adobe/mms.cfg [00:57] and enable HWdecode with a config parameter in there [00:57] all working \o/ [03:12] Hi, I need some help getting X back - it appears that the Ati drivers have stopped x from displaying anything - anyone? I just need to set it back to normal pre-install ubuntu -state [03:17] I installed Ubuntu Netbook Edition for someone today. [03:18] It was slow to install, but worked once it was in there. [06:21] updating pidgin [07:03] myyh [07:45] morning, How is everyone? Can anyone help me fix my broken Ubuntu Machine? Fails to boot, drops to a shell tried to fix it myself from the forums etc but no joy over the last couple of days. [07:46] hello all [07:47] hi Moo [07:48] I believe udev is broken/not fully installed. The shell mounts the filesystem as read only and I have no network connection. How would I go about installing udev from a cd rom say? [07:57] you could log in with a live cd, then chroot to your filesystem [07:57] that's how I teend to fix things === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [07:58] ok I know how to do that, then can i run a fix for udev? when i tried before it tries to install to the live version not the Installed version on the hard drive [07:59] I will boot into the live cd now though [08:00] how do i chroot into the filesystem? im now guessing it is different to just typing sudo su at a terminal? [08:02] this may be about grub, but it tells you how to do chroot in there: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099 [08:02] hmm looking at the web it is a fair bit more involved than sudo su! lol [08:02] thanks matt, taking a look now === jamespage is now known as jpage === jpage is now known as jamespage [08:19] hi Matt, everything seemd to go ok except for the chroot command itself. I get the following. "chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash':exec format error" [08:20] i haved typed the command as per the guide above "sudo chroot /mnt/temp" the correct filesystem is mounted in temp etc [08:21] Have used Ubuntu for years now this is the worst problem ive had, saying that I havent had many! woot! [08:25] oldskool_: /mnt/temp/bin/bash does not exist, or you're running a 32-bit kernel and the /bin/bash in that chroot is 64-bit [08:26] yes i was running 64, i imagine the live is 32 bit. will rebooting using a 64 bit live cd help? [08:27] /mnt/temp/bin/bash is present [08:27] mornin all [08:27] oldskool_: it should help, yes [08:27] had the exact same problem on a coworker's laptop last week :) [08:29] first chroot but looks like a handy tool :) will re-boot off of a 64bit live and give you an update in a bit [08:32] running the new unity desktop on a netbook, quite pleased with it so far :) [08:32] unity shell even or whatever it is :) [08:33] Morning all [08:42] DJones: morning [08:43] Hi MooDoo [08:46] hi folks [08:46] morn [09:02] mornin [09:03] morning [09:03] Morning [09:04] Greetings, fellow Mondaymorningites! Best wishes for your journey! [09:04] He's chipper! GET HIM [09:05] * MartijnVdS grabs a pitchfork [09:06] :D [09:10] daubers: That's the thing with the internet - you can appear to be whatever you want to be. ;) [09:15] JamesTait is Mr T? [09:15] And I ain't gettin' on no plane, fool! [09:16] MartijnVdS, wOOt, managed to get into a chroot! thanks for the pointers, now just need to fix everything! [09:35] hmm i think i was properly broken! running "aptitude full-update" is installing lots of packages I assume this is ok? [09:35] morning all o/ [09:35] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [09:36] o/ [09:36] * daubers is going to learn howto keep bee's at River Cottage in June!!! [09:36] haha sounds fun, bet thats a good buzz [09:37] Mums paying for it too \o/ [09:39] oldskool_: full-upgrade normally pulls in many new packages. What is it you're doing? [09:39] or, perhaps rather, what is it you've just fixed [09:40] BigRed5, I was not booting into the Filesystem, udev was broken, dropped to a maintenence shell with no write access to my filesystem and no network connection [09:41] oldskool_: ahh, and you chrooted, fixed the issue, and are now back to booting how you should be? [09:41] run a live cd and chroot into my Filesystem, tried dpkg-reconfigure udev to no joy etc etc [09:42] just finished the update, attempting to reboot in a minute "Fingers crossed" [09:42] any other commands to help clean up before i reboot? I am by no means a power linux user but i know my way round a little, any suggestions? [09:46] hmm udev is still broken. the only error i am getting though is a warning about an "invalid character in revision number" for a few strings in various dpkg files [09:47] uninstall and then install udev? I dont like the sound of that.. [09:50] "dpkg --configure -a" --> "Processing was halted because there were too many errors" lol I think its broken! [09:56] BigRedS, Rebooted and still broken, do I chroot agin and try some more cleanup / reinstall commands or does it appear to be proper broken? [09:57] oldskool_: well, it does appear to be properly broken, but it's likely fixable [09:57] I'm not entirely sure how, though [09:58] you've a choice between a good lesson in dpkg/apt, versus a perhaps simpler reinstall. I'd go with teh former, but I'm not in much of a position to teach [09:59] BigRedS, Hmm thats my thinking, I will play around for a bit longer. Have been using ubuntu for about 7 years or so now so its about time I learn a little more i suppose! Thanks for the pointers [09:59] if the errors aren't plentiful, it may be worth either fixing the files by hand, or chrooting to reinstall or remove those packages [10:00] oldskool_: it's no problem - I've been doing it a bit longer and have still somehow avoided having to get too far into fixing dpkg. I'm still not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing :) [10:07] hey guys [10:07] where's the default apache landing page stored on ubuntu [10:07] need to set it as the page for a site [10:07] Web browser page? [10:07] Oh apache [10:07] the default 'You have installed apache correctly' .etc [10:08] It's /var/www/ [10:08] or it is just 'It Works' [10:08] I have no idea why my eyes just skipped the word "apache" in your question. Most odd [10:09] it's /var/www isn't it? [10:10] I may have deleted it from that location :) [10:10] so just write an index.html in /var/www ? [10:10] /usr/share/apache2/default-site/index.html [10:11] not the pretty page you get on CentOS, but good enough nonetheless. [10:11] tugrik: you need to remove the redirect from /etc/apache2/sites-available/default too [10:12] ah, useful to know, cheeers BigRedS [10:12] can you tell my apache setups are usually just to support BeEF or monit or something similar ;) [10:15] tugrik: I [10:15] 've forgotten that bit on *every* new Apache install I've ever done, I'm pretty sure [10:15] always a brief "wait, why are you doing that? ohhhh yeah..." [10:27] I wish I could sleep [10:28] Myrtti: get drunk [10:30] I can't until my sister comes from work [10:37] how is everyone today? [10:40] Hello. [10:42] s-fox, good morning [10:42] Hello MooDoo :) [10:43] s-fox, how are you today? [10:43] I'm alright thank you, how are you ? [10:43] s-fox, very well thank you [10:45] Morning all o/ [10:45] Hello selinuxium [10:45] How are you ? [10:46] s-fox, not bad thank you. You? [10:46] I'm alright thank you [10:46] howdy guys [10:46] Great stuff :) [10:46] Hello andylockran [10:46] Hey andylockran o/ [10:49] Just got a response back from the Ubuntu Training Team regarding the Ubuntu Professional exam.... They have officially discontinued the Ubuntu 199 exam... I find this worrying tbh... I feel one of the reasons business turn to Novell/Redhat is there are accredited engineers... With no professionals, how do you sell it to the business? [10:49] Ubuntu bug 199 in Baz (deprecated) ""baz export" doesn't add to the revision library" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199 [10:49] Shhhh bot... :) [10:49] selinuxium, so there are no official ubuntu exams any more? [10:50] MooDoo. Nope. [10:50] selinuxium: dammit. I've still got a voucher for ubuntu 199 knocking around [10:50] Ubuntu bug 199 in Baz (deprecated) ""baz export" doesn't add to the revision library" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199 [10:50] selinuxium, oooo no, did they give you a reason? lack of interest? [10:50] morning all [10:51] MooDoo: [10:51] morning davmor2 how are you laddi? [10:51] laddo even [10:51] I am an LPIC 101 /102 and a Novell Network Administrator.. but now I can't get accredited to work with the system I want to use... [10:52] selinuxium, booooooooo [10:52] * MooDoo hasn't played with netware in aaaaages [10:52] MooDoo, :) This is probably a good thing... [10:52] MooDoo: I thought you were calling me a Lady for one horrific moment, I was going to don't confuse me with czajkowski [10:53] selinuxium, well if it's not netware, it's windows server which i'm doing certification in .....shhhhhhhh [10:53] I am in the process of moving out core infrastructure from Suse to Ubuntu... [10:53] davmor2, a very lovely lady....in little britain mode.... [10:54] The training budget has me down for the Ubuntu 199... Now I have to go back to my boss and say that I can't get accredited... :/ [10:54] Ubuntu bug 199 in Baz (deprecated) ""baz export" doesn't add to the revision library" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199 [10:54] who can I contact about ubuntu-uk/where-are-we? [10:54] Again bot... Shhhh.... [10:55] what's 119 ? [10:55] n1md4: AlanBell is you're best bet for that [10:55] or 199 even :s [10:55] andylockran, 'was' the official Ubuntu Professional exam..,. [10:57] You can still take the exam in a Prometric Test centre until end of June... but seems a little pointless... [10:57] n1md4: o/ [10:57] Ah cool :) [10:58] AlanBell: sent you a private message, would you like it posted here? Thought I'd save the channel spam. [10:58] * AlanBell flips to window 84 [10:58] heh! [10:59] 84 windows, And I thought 14 windows was enough [11:05] How can you switch to windows over single digits? [11:06] alt+q [11:06] etc [11:06] or ctrl-p for next window [11:07] n1md4: Or "/window 35" etc [11:07] Ah! [11:07] That's what I was looking for, thanks. [11:07] I've got "/w" aliased to "/window" though to make it easier /w 35 :) [11:14] wow, qemu is version 0.14, I wonder if it's actually stable yet... ;) [11:15] DJones: I assume you can't use a key-combination for that [11:21] wow i switched the acrobat reader plugin in firefox for embedded evince for reading pdf's ...notice the difference in speed! [11:23] I keep being amused by how crap Adobe's pdf reader plugin is [11:24] adobe excel at being crap [11:26] does anyone remember anything about vmware gsx? i have an old vmware server hosting a few vm's any i want to find out about the vm's it is running [11:30] anyone used gluster - looks neat./ [11:34] mungojerry, not got access to the infrastructure client? [11:34] morning all! [11:34] morning popey [11:36] moodoo, just command line [11:36] i've figured out that vmrun list gives me almost what i need [11:36] next step migrate to esxi :P [11:36] mungojerry, i'm running 3.5....:p [11:37] esxi 3.5? [11:37] mungojerry, yeah, only have a 32bit processor lol [11:37] i installed esx4 last year on a big new install cos it was recommended, then discovered that esx is going away and esxi is the future [11:37] although at the time, esxi didn't have certain features [11:38] mungojerry, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-list-all-running-vms-command.html [11:38] esxi 4.1 now has more features which were present in esx [11:38] I tried ESXi but the trial is ony 60 days for the client [11:38] mungojerry, don't have 64bit cpu lol [11:38] dwatkins, are you sure? [11:39] what CPU moodoo ? your virtualisation performance must be terrible [11:39] MooDoo: yeah, the VSphere client said it had 60 days to go, also there was no browser version of the client. [11:39] mungojerry, only running 3 vm's on it.....not doing a lot to be honest [11:39] ok :P [11:40] i'll upgrade when i get another machine to install it onto [11:40] MooDoo: also, I only have a single server, so vmware server 2.x seems good enough [11:40] dwatkins , the vsphere trial is 60 days but the esxi you can access directly from the vmware windows client, or the web interaface [11:40] +1 which is what i do with my stuff [11:40] infact i run the client from a vm lol [11:40] mungojerry: I tried the web interface, but it just had a link to the client download [11:40] i need to do that with my DR site since it's unclear what the licence allows [11:41] also, using ESXi wasn't any advantage to me - it still wouldn't integrate with LDAP [11:41] * mungojerry is upset that he has to use a windows machine to run vsphere client [11:41] mungojerry: me too [11:41] you can use remote cli under linux/mac if you wanted to [11:41] quite tricky though moodoo - i am doing live migrations etc [11:41] the vmware server I have is a linux machine, I was wondering if there were command line tools to boot, shutdown etc. [11:42] boot a vm, that is [11:42] the cli is good for scripting iscsi stuff though [11:42] dwatkins, there's a CLI vm that you can run [11:43] that gives enhances cli features [11:43] mungojerry: interesting, I need console access really, for web browsers and server software which uses the browser [11:45] see if this helps on the console front: http://www.vmware.com/support/developer/vima/ [11:45] thanks mungojerry [11:46] i tried getting rhev from redhat but they didn't want to sell it to me [11:46] i think the product was unfinished, depended on windows AD, and the staff knew nothing about it :P [11:47] indeed, mungojerry - sadly there's a problem with PAM libraries which means even though I went to great pains to get the server to authenticate (with ssh for example) with the LDAP domain, I can't use those logins for vmware server [11:47] 32-bit libraries only, and I have an x86_64 server [11:49] dwatkins, why do you need ldap integration with the vmware server? [11:50] mungojerry: just so it's easier to login - so people don't have to remember yet another login [11:50] ah, i just read "MooDoo: also, I only have a single server, so vmware server 2.x seems good enough" [11:51] i'm in the process of virtualising our whole machine room [11:51] yay o/ [11:51] which has some other non-obvious benefits [11:52] besides power & space saving, etc , a well setup system allows redundancy of network switches [11:53] mungojerry: yeah, I'm sure you can do a lot of really cool stuff with a big installation [11:53] our network switches don't have dual power supplies, so the freedom to poweroff a switch and know that you vmware system is fully redundant is great [11:54] what provides that redundancy, MooDoo? [11:54] think that's for you mungojerry [11:54] :P [11:55] setting up virtual nics on the esxi server [11:55] aha handy, mungojerry [11:55] 1 virtual NIC : 2 physical interfaces [11:55] almost seamless redundancy if a nic, switch , or cable fails [11:55] Can you also move a virtual machine from one physical host to another without downtime? [11:55] oh yes [11:55] live migration [11:56] that is impressive [11:56] vmotion :) [11:56] is a feature of vsphere advanced [11:56] love that feature [11:56] we didn't buy the feature that automatically balances your hosts for performance though [11:56] I'm still impressed when I don't need a pair of scissors to open a MicroUSB cable package... ;) [11:56] live migration is particularly useful when applying patches to vmware [11:57] just move all the vm's off and patch/reboot, with no downtime [11:57] repeat and rinse with the other servers [11:57] * MooDoo is currently saving for his vmare certification..... [11:58] s/vmare/vmware [11:58] which course is that? [11:58] VCP [11:58] i should consider that too [11:58] vmware certified professional [11:58] ££ [11:58] ? [11:58] couple of k [11:59] they won't let you take the exam unless you do a 5 day course.....or something like that. [11:59] you can't just take the exam [11:59] are you allowed to jump to the VCAP [11:59] don't know [11:59] probably not...swines [11:59] :P [12:00] no, you need to be VCP4 [12:00] http://mylearn.vmware.com/mgrReg/plan.cfm?plan=16657&ui=www_cert [12:00] well that's for dc administration === s-fox is now known as evil-s-fox [12:02] MooDoo: Shame I was looking forward to seeing you ride in on your virtual mare :D [12:02] davmor2, as czajkowski would say....oi shush [12:02] Hah! [12:02] virtualisation is a good skill, cos it will surely stay around..unfortunately the skills are rather vendor dependent and release specific :S [12:03] it's shrup in fact [12:03] i thougt we had bored everybody else into submission :P [12:03] * bigcalm looks in [12:04] czajkowski: I see you talking but you're not here so I can blatantly ignore you :D [12:04] I am here [12:07] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski just coz he's feeling brave today [12:07] * mungojerry wonders what the worst named application in ubuntu is. baobab is a contender methinks [12:08] and choqok [12:09] Mono ;) [12:09] pidgin [12:09] :D [12:10] libcaca [12:10] wait..... [12:10] toilet [12:10] =-O [12:11] somebody asked me to install an app called sextractor [12:11] isn't there an app called pornview as well [12:11] !info pornview [12:11] pornview (source: pornview): Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-11ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 211 kB, installed size 624 kB [12:11] Bah, beat me to it [12:12] !info sextractor [12:12] sextractor (source: sextractor): source extractor for astronomical images. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.4-1 (maverick), package size 1103 kB, installed size 1656 kB [12:12] No-ones mentioned the GIMP [12:12] true! [12:12] I always find it fun when I introduce the gimp ot people [12:12] for about 1 second [12:13] I always find it fun when I introduce the gimp ot people [12:13] oop. up+enter in the wrong pane [12:15] what exactly is the reason for history on an irc client anyway? [12:16] in case you need to repeat something quickly? [12:16] in case you need to repeat something quickly? [12:16] like that :) [12:16] so it's just for spamming? [12:17] it could also be used to correct typos, although substition s/old/new/ is better etiquette [12:17] well i'd use it if i needed to repeat a link to someone and didn't want to type it all out again [12:17] people who correct every typo they make are a bit annoying [12:17] I tend to use it quite a lot, also it's handy if I want to tell different groups of people the same thing. [12:17] mungojerry: not everybody knows what s/a/b/ is [12:17] running natty is rewarding since there's always 200MB of updates waiting each day :) [12:17] nah, but IRC's as good a place as any to see it [12:18] !info libqt4-dev natty [12:18] libqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu9 (natty), package size 2862 kB, installed size 27928 kB [12:19] xserver-xorg seems to be getting daily activity [12:20] I noticed there's been an update, mungojerry - I wonder why it's suddenly so active [12:20] compiz + xserver having been very unstable for me [12:20] getting marginally better though [12:20] there's been lots of complaints about xserver in natty, I thought [12:21] i'm giving unity a good go and will report bugs, although not convinced yet, but improving all the time === CraigMason is now known as CaMason [12:28] * popey notes he was unfollowed by kirrus [12:28] * popey sobs uncontrollably [12:31] kirrus has just left the building. I'll make him feel guilty when he gets back [12:33] * soneill follows popey just so that he can unfollow him shortly after [12:34] following popey is part of my job, how else would i know about all the things that are wrong with ubuntu ;) [12:40] hi all [12:41] radiators in my office are cold...going outside to warm up [12:41] is there a program available for ubuntu that would allow me to change the order of the pages of a pdf file? [12:45] pr0ph3t: I gather there are many PDF editors for Ubuntu [12:46] i've used command line pdftk in the past but there are certainly GUIs such as pdf-shuffler available in the software centre [12:47] dwatkins, I tried a few, even tried to convert the file with calibre but it ends up being a big job to sort it out [12:47] maybe pdf-shuffler [12:47] What do you need to do, pr0ph3t? [12:47] I simply need to change the positions of a few pages [12:47] page 15 is actually page 18 and many other [12:48] I'm just wondering if it might be easier to get the document changed at the source [12:48] as for PDF editors, there are lists of them online, I can't vouch for any in particular, though. [12:49] dwatkins, I tried a few but the document needs heavy editing not just page shifting unfortunately (when I try to edit it at least) [12:50] otherwise it's just a normal pdf file with the page order a bit mixed [12:50] to simply switch order of pages in a doc then pdf-shuffler is simple [12:53] it's difficult to submit compiz bugs when it crashes because you can't type or even run alt-f2 [12:53] :( [12:53] mungojerry, I added the run application to the panel [12:54] or the terminal [12:56] everything disappears when compiz crash :P [12:56] managed to type in the firefox window now .. [13:01] mungojerry: is this on natty? [13:05] mungojerry: if it's on natty one of 2 things should happen 1: a box appears saying restart compiz or you need to drop into a tty (alt-ctrl-F1, for example) and type in "unity --reset" [13:06] + or 2: === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [13:16] afternoonings everyone. [13:17] lo [13:17] * popey tickles gord [13:18] Of course, BigRedS left the building just as I entered... [13:18] * popey suspects kirrus and BigRedS are the same person. [13:18] never see them together [13:18] popey: yup. Was trying to drop the amount of noise in my twitter feeds... [13:19] I am officially "noise" :) [13:20] * BigRedS installs the Gimp [13:20] popey: no you're not, but you almost never @ me, and I use twitter more for conversation :) [13:21] http://yfrog.com/gz13006326j [13:21] poor BigRedS looking very confused [13:23] heh [13:24] I'm not used to being accosted by an iphone as I walk into the building [13:26] davmor2 unity --reset, cheers i'll try that next time - [13:27] mungojerry, davmor2 - actually unity --reset rests all the settings, just unity will do [13:34] gord: oh nice tip === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [13:52] * daubers prepares a long shouting at the VW garage [13:53] Top tip! Never deal with the sales people at Ridgeway VW in Newbury [13:54] you mean sales people at $CAR_DEALER in $TOWN === cking is now known as cking-afk [13:55] $RESPONSE [13:55] mungojerry: Bah, just had an interesting chat with the DVLA, apparently I'm not the registered owner of my car. I suspect the paperwork is still on the sales guys desk after 3 months [13:56] you've sent off your part? [13:56] Yup [13:56] lol, well he's got his money already, job done for him [13:56] interestingly i went into car giant in west london and they all use opensuse on the desktop [13:57] Still got the little green slip too [13:57] "The Real Hustle investigated over fake scam allegations" [13:57] oh the irony [13:57] mungojerry: Waren sie Deutsch? [13:57] mungojerry: I can understand that feeling, working at a company where must of the staff are sales people, once the sale is made, paperwork does seem to take a back seat to the next sale they're chasing [13:58] mungojerry: which one? [13:58] hello jaustin [13:58] \o/ arm :) [13:58] jpds , popey, i think there's only one cargiant [13:58] ahh [13:59] whoever installed their IT system realised that the main function is through a web browser, so why not give everyone a free desktop [13:59] hi popey [13:59] when u buy a car, they process everything through a web interface [14:00] the funny thing i my wife noticed they were running linux before me :) [14:02] mm, I noticed toolstation use something gnomey on their POSs [14:02] shuttleworth just commented on bug 713087 [14:02] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/713087) [14:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/713087 [14:03] Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/713087) [14:03] quiet, botty [14:03] it's bugs like that that're putting me off unity, tbh [14:04] this far in, and it still takes a bug report to get a resizable dock? [14:05] BigRedS, we haven't even hit feature freeze yet [14:05] bigreds, how far in are they though? still a v long way to go , except that development is being done in the open [14:05] gord: no, I know. But it's shipping in April, isn't it? I was just expecting it to be more feature complete by now [14:06] hopefully, development will be much quicker than I think :) [14:07] BigRedS, you are welcome to help out [14:08] can someone help me with a unity question? in docky, when i have multiple terminal windows open, i right click on the icon to get a list of terminal window titles so i can choose which session i want to bring to focus. how can i do that in unity? [14:09] oooh, good one, i have no idea how to do that [14:09] mungojerry: you should be able to left click on it and they all apear [14:09] * bigcalm pokes css with a stick [14:09] hey biggie [14:09] davmor2, i have 40 terminal windows open, i only want to choose the ssh session to server4 not all 40 [14:09] Howdy hoovie :) [14:10] mungojerry, its an expose thing, you click twice (or once if a terminal is already focused) then select the one you want [14:10] there is no feature that lists the titles of all your windows [14:10] :( this is pretty much what i do all working day [14:10] mungojerry, you might want to invest in terminator, its much more suited to what you want [14:10] vertical-align isn't doing what it's meant to [14:15] gord, thanks , i checked it out a while back, but wasn't really fitting my needs with the amount of sessions I have open. if window list is not available and i really wanted to use unity in spite of it, then i'd have to use tabs, but its sad when upgrades force you to work differently, === cking-afk is now known as cking [14:16] gord: Once I'm back in a position where I have a PC that I can afford to be not working (soon!), I'll give natty another go on real hardware. But right now having a working PC is more important (to me) than a working unity. [14:17] i think i'll delay updating to natty for longer than usual this cycle [14:17] I'm kinda regretting it [14:18] gord: did you see my mention of windows creeping across the screen? [14:24] popey, nope [14:25] if i have two windows open not-full screen, and move one over to the left obscuring the unity bar thing, then alt tab repeatedly between them the windows creep over the screen [14:26] popey, i can replicate that too [14:28] I'll file a bug when i get home [14:28] or if you do, I'll confirm it [14:28] I'll probably screencast it to show [14:28] all yours [14:28] "thanks [14:28] can't reproduce here [14:28] :) [14:30] grr, server won't get to a point where i can ssh in [14:30] fustrating [14:31] have just seen a clip about the motorola atrix phone - android on the move, then plus into laptop dock and runs a splashtop style linux OS [14:33] looks expensive [14:34]