[00:40] <Unit1931> Hello TheErk!
[00:41] <Unit1931> Finch chashed again :/
[03:00] <dmcglone> Hiya all
[03:01] <Unit1931> Hey dmcglone!
[03:01] <Cheri703> hi
[03:01] <dmcglone> How's everything here?
[03:01] <Cheri703> fine afaik
[03:02] <dmcglone> I got my DVD rom working
[03:02] <Cheri703> yay
[03:02] <dmcglone> I got the splitter
[03:02] <dmcglone> also fixed my desktop effects and figured out that xrandr
[03:03] <Cheri703> cool
[03:03] <Cheri703> productive weekend
[03:03] <dmcglone> somewhat. the xrandr is shaky at best :-/
[03:04] <Cheri703> hmm...mine is generally fine
[03:05] <Cheri703> heh, husband just texted me that our littlest dog was wagging her tail in her sleep...she's curled up by him in the office, and he didn't want to wake her up
[03:06] <dmcglone> for the desktop effects, they got locked up somehow so I had to remove the kwinrc file in /.kde/share/config and log out and back in and everything worked fine
[03:07] <dmcglone> I had to completely change my xrandr and it's only 1 line now
[03:08] <Cheri703> interesting
[15:27] <thafreak> Hey Ohio!
[15:27] <thafreak> Guess who spent a bunch of money and bought a new virtualization toy...
[15:28] <thafreak> 6 core phenom with 8 gb of ram...
[15:28] <thafreak> mmmmm...virtual
[15:38] <deejoe> mmmm AMD
[15:38]  * deejoe is back in the AMD camp
[15:38] <deejoe> with me, it's the much more modest Athlon II
[15:47] <thafreak> i have some of those too
[15:47] <thafreak> my old vm host has one of the first x2s that came out
[15:48] <thafreak> i wanted something with more than 2 this time around...went for the highest # of cores...and the cheapest model of that available :)
[15:48] <thafreak> they might not be the fastest cores, but there's 6 of them :)
[15:49] <thafreak> Oh, and ram seems to be dirt cheap again...8gb of ram was like $90
[15:49] <deejoe> at one point, 3 of us were talking about Xen vs KVM, and the KVM advocate was saying that eventually hardware virt-capable chips would supplant those that don't do it.
[15:49] <deejoe> but seeing as how Intel is being stingy about VT, using it as a differentiator even in their non-Atom line, well . . . screw 'em
[15:50] <thafreak> yes, that seems to be the direction things are going
[15:50] <deejoe> AMD sells a few without hardware VT, but more at the low end with it
[15:50] <thafreak> yes! i bought 2 diff intel based machines, assuming they'd have VT and they don't...I'm still sore about that
[15:51] <thafreak> I just assumed all the new intels had it, just like all the newer amd's did at the time
[15:52] <thafreak> still kind of sucks that the workstation at work doesn't have vt, but I also have a 4 node virt cluster, with way more resources than I could ever need...
[15:52] <thafreak> so it doesn't matter so much anymore on my desktop
[15:53] <thafreak> I do wish my personal laptop had it though...that still pisses me off
[16:18] <deejoe> the other issue, which hasn't resolved, is that the other Xen proponent said he gets the impression that when it comes to security, both the KVM folks and the QEMU folks sort of point at each other and say "that's his job"
[16:18] <deejoe> I haven't seen that well substantiated, but I haven't seen it well addressed, either.
[16:24] <thafreak> odd...since xen also uses qemu heavily...
[16:24] <thafreak> I'd say xen and kvm both use qemu about equally....they both use it for their device model stuff
[16:25] <thafreak> so if qemu is responsible for security, then it should also affect xen I would think...
[16:26] <deejoe> well, if one is running hvm xen, at least
[16:26]  * deejoe talks slightly posteriorly
[16:26] <thafreak> oh yes
[16:26] <thafreak> that's right....it is just for hvm stuff...
[16:27] <thafreak> eh, I think hypervisor security is something that no one (except security experts) is taking too seriously right now
[16:28] <thafreak> and I'm sure that whatever happens, xen or kvm security is probably going to be much better than M$ hyper-v :)
[16:30] <thafreak> so deejoe, you seem up on some of this stuff...would you say (remove your anti-intel sentiment temporarily), that the new i3 or the older celeron core2 based cpu's are more "green"?
[16:31] <thafreak> I'm ruling out semprons, since they're single core...and I'm not sure a single core wimpy cpu would be good enough at software raid5
[16:31] <thafreak> maybe I'm wrong though...
[16:36] <thafreak> I just remembered freenas has an irc channel...maybe I'll get lucky and someone in there will answer...
[16:36] <thafreak> I just hope freenas community members aren't as mean as freebsd people
[18:30] <thafreak> deejoe: you might find this interesting re: the xen v kvm security discussion: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=1&s=obsd+as+domU&q=b
[18:31] <thafreak> some one asked the openbsd people about running it as a guest on xen, which started a huge discussion
[18:31] <thafreak> there were links to studies done on hypervisor security...
[18:36] <thafreak> geez, I thought the freebsd people bit the heads off of people...these openbsd people are worse...and they obviously hate virtualizaiton
[19:06] <Cheri703> http://thedailywh.at/2011/02/21/short-film-of-the-day/
[19:54] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's the ice there?
[19:55] <Cheri703> was sleet, now snow...pretty slick
[19:55] <canthus13> We've got massive outages everywhere... and more coming tonight. :(
[19:57] <Cheri703> ew, no good
[19:57] <Cheri703> I hope our power doesn't go out, we'll go insane
[20:22] <deejoe> haha, thafreak, is this your first encounter with the OpenBSD folks?
[21:03] <thafreak> well...not really my first...but the most in depth...
[21:04] <thafreak> I actually had a bsd fanboy as a student...
[21:04] <thafreak> the class was unix systems administration
[21:04] <thafreak> and I only talked about linux
[21:40] <deejoe> well, there's "BSD" and there there are the individual branches
[21:40] <deejoe> so your student was a NetBSD person, thafreak?
[21:41] <thafreak> oh I know...this kid was a blanket bsd is better than linux kinda guy
[21:41] <deejoe> I've personally known both NetBSD folk and FreeBSD folk, but never anyone totally into OpenBSD
[21:41] <Unit1931> Doesn't one of them *BSDs have some sort of back-door? (I could be way off on this...)
[21:42] <thafreak> I can't remember fully, but I think he was open and free kind of guy...can't remember which one he advocated more...
[21:42] <thafreak> haha, that was openbsd
[21:42] <thafreak> and no, no backdoor...
[21:42] <deejoe> I still hang out online with some guys who are NetBSD/MacOS/Linux (roughly in that order) folks
[21:42] <thafreak> atleast the openbsd people swear there isn't, and that they did a code audit
[21:43] <deejoe> oh, right
[21:43] <deejoe> the stuff that supposedly was put in there at the behest of the FBI
[21:45]  * Unit1931 never used *BSD so doesn't know...
[21:46] <thafreak> I've installed most of the major ones a couple of times...but then I'm like, ok now what
[21:46] <thafreak> I can never remember wher eto find how to actually install anything on them
[21:47] <thafreak> that, and until now, none of them had decent dynamic disk management (I had gotten used to lvm very early on)
[21:47] <thafreak> of course NOW freebsd has zfs, which they always hold over our heads...
[21:48] <thafreak> none of them still have virtualization though...and based on that mailing list thread I posted, doesn't sound like openbsd ever will...
[21:48] <Cheri703> you guys need to watch this video: http://thedailywh.at/2011/02/21/short-film-of-the-day/
[21:48] <Cheri703> it's hilarious
[21:48] <thafreak> watched already Cheri703 :)
[21:48] <Unit1931> ha, I just opened the cd drive to the laptop I'm working on and found twilight...
[21:48] <Cheri703> k, just saying
[21:48] <Cheri703> it's reminiscent of the badger song