| superfly | hey Symmetria, it's your birthday, happy birthday! | 05:58 |
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| nlsthzn | cool, happy b day Symmetria.... and good morning superfly | 07:42 |
| superfly | heya nlsthzn | 07:43 |
| nlsthzn | brb, got to assit the wife in a "game" ... her mouse control not the best :D | 07:44 |
| Kilos | morning superfly and every one else | 07:56 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 07:58 |
| superfly | Kilos: you're late... did you oversleep? :-P | 07:58 |
| Kilos | hehe i was up at 4 to great debs when she got home from work then went back to sleep | 07:59 |
| Kilos | hiya corrie206 howzit | 08:04 |
| nlsthzn | hey uncle Kilos :) | 08:05 |
| Kilos | hiya nlsthzn | 08:07 |
| Kilos | hows arab land | 08:07 |
| nlsthzn | In unrest it would seem :) | 08:07 |
| Kilos | oh yes | 08:07 |
| Kilos | saw on the idiot box | 08:08 |
| Kilos | doesnt look good | 08:08 |
| nlsthzn | interesting times | 08:08 |
| Kilos | anyone know how to tell xchat to use alsa. i have removed pulseaudio | 08:09 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: Hello, xchat, how are you? Fine thanks... please use also kthxbai | 08:10 |
| nlsthzn | *alsa | 08:10 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:10 |
| Kilos | with pidgin when you use pulse it closes pidgin now and again | 08:11 |
| Kilos | if you change it to alsa probs gone | 08:11 |
| Kilos | here in xchat it asks if you want to use an external sound playing program | 08:12 |
| superfly | Maaz: google for xchat use alsa | 08:12 |
| Maaz | superfly: "XChat | Linux App Finder" http://linuxappfinder.com/package/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in sid" http://packages.debian.org/sid/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in squeeze" http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xchat :: "Bug #249: Маскировка пакетов и обновление" http://www.calculate-linux.org/issues/249 :: "Gentoo Wiki Archives - FAQ_USE_Flags" http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/FAQ_ | 08:12 |
| Kilos | but i think you need to give it the path to alsa | 08:12 |
| superfly | nope, that doesn't work | 08:12 |
| Kilos | and thats got me | 08:13 |
| Kilos | with pidgin there a button called method and when pressed it gives a choice | 08:14 |
| superfly | Kilos: which version of xchat do you have, the gnome-ified version, or the normal version | 08:16 |
| Kilos | the normal one superfly | 08:16 |
| Kilos | i dont like the gnome one | 08:16 |
| Kilos | if i go search files | 08:17 |
| Kilos | i find lotsa alsa files in /usr | 08:17 |
| Kilos | but dunno which one to use or even if thats the right way | 08:17 |
| superfly | no, that's not the right thing | 08:19 |
| superfly | you need to select a device usually | 08:19 |
| superfly | Kilos: what's the version number of your xchat? | 08:19 |
| Kilos | i look if there anything in /dev | 08:19 |
| Kilos | i dunno how to find that superfly | 08:20 |
| Kilos | lo zerlgi | 08:20 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: should have info in help/about | 08:20 |
| superfly | Kilos: x-chat should use alsa automatically | 08:21 |
| nlsthzn | version number etc | 08:21 |
| Kilos | 2.8.6 | 08:21 |
| Kilos | ty nlsthzn | 08:21 |
| superfly | Kilos: otherwise, select "external program" and type in /usr/bin/aplay | 08:22 |
| Kilos | i had to tell pidgin to use alsa | 08:22 |
| Kilos | maybe evrything uses pulse as default | 08:22 |
| zerlgi | Hi Kilos | 08:22 |
| superfly | Kilos: probably... you probably need to tell gnome to use alsa | 08:23 |
| * nlsthzn strokes Quassel and it purrs back contently | 08:23 | |
| * zerlgi waves at ubuntu-za's | 08:23 | |
| Kilos | i go look if there a plugin in synaptic | 08:23 |
| * superfly strokes OSSv4 and Quassel | 08:23 | |
| superfly | hi zerlgi | 08:24 |
| superfly | Kilos: run gconf or whatever it is, and look for a sound section | 08:25 |
| Kilos | also i am using karmic | 08:25 |
| Kilos | everything working well | 08:26 |
| nlsthzn | what does ubuntu/kubuntu use for sound by default, alsa or pulse? | 08:26 |
| zerlgi | pulse | 08:26 |
| nlsthzn | zerlgi: thx... I have never had issues with pulse then :) | 08:26 |
| Kilos | pulse | 08:26 |
| Kilos | before only prob i had with alsa was pidgin | 08:26 |
| Kilos | i mean pulse | 08:27 |
| Kilos | i member superfly saying its the first thing he killed. and didnt know why | 08:28 |
| superfly | nlsthzn: actually, both | 08:28 |
| superfly | PulseAudio is a solution looking for a problem that no one has | 08:28 |
| nlsthzn | hmmm.... | 08:29 |
| superfly | but now both Ubuntu and Kubuntu seem to think that they can't function without it | 08:30 |
| superfly | and in Kubuntu, it means that you have ZERO control over your volume | 08:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:31 |
| Kilos | now since i removed pulse my volume button also gone | 08:31 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:31 |
| nlsthzn | I seem to have very good volume control in Kubuntu? | 08:35 |
| Kilos | later. i try add xchat-xsys | 08:41 |
| superfly | nlsthzn: how many volume controls do you have? with pulse you get 1 - I want to be able to set my individual channels | 08:44 |
| nlsthzn | superfly: only one it seems... then again that is as many as I need/want :p | 08:46 |
| Kilos | what does ctcp sound mean? | 08:47 |
| kbmonkey | hi superfly, is this through alsamixer? :) | 08:48 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 08:48 |
| superfly | kbmonkey: no, KDE's default volume control applet, KMix | 08:48 |
| kbmonkey | hi Kilos and everyone | 08:48 |
| Kilos | w00t | 08:49 |
| Kilos | i got it | 08:49 |
| Kilos | told xchat to use that ctcp sound | 08:49 |
| kbmonkey | aah okay. man I'm sleepy today, but I just had to watch dexter! | 08:52 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:56 |
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| Cantide | '< | 09:14 |
| nlsthzn | Busy looking at the requirements of setting up a LoCo for the UAE again... this definitly feels like eating a elephant :D | 09:21 |
| Cantide | has anyone experienced missing ibus icons? | 09:23 |
| marcog | nlsthzn: do you have much support there? | 09:29 |
| nlsthzn | marcog: there is a group which is actually becoming more and more active here in the UAE but so far they don't seem to be biting on the whole "official" loco thing... | 09:30 |
| marcog | roughly how many people? | 09:30 |
| nlsthzn | here is a link to the group and what they have been up to in the last 4-6 months | 09:31 |
| nlsthzn | http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/ | 09:31 |
| nlsthzn | I think getting the group and there activities on the loco's list is a great way to attract more like minded ppl | 09:32 |
| marcog | so 14 signed-up to attend the installfest | 09:33 |
| marcog | that's pretty solid | 09:33 |
| marcog | for a new group | 09:33 |
| marcog | i think you need to have a word with drubin about the usefullness of being an official loco | 09:34 |
| nlsthzn | most all are locoted in the same city, Dubai... and there is an older inactive group http://www.meetup.com/uaelug/ with many people from there also helping/attending | 09:34 |
| nlsthzn | funny thing is I have not been able to attend anything yet as I live to far away :( | 09:35 |
| nlsthzn | marcog: will try and catch drubin when he is online again | 09:35 |
| marcog | nlsthzn: i get the feeling this will fall apart quickly if you're the one driving it when you can't attend events | 09:41 |
| marcog | perhaps leave the others who are attending to drive it their way for now? | 09:41 |
| marcog | and try get a small group nearby where you are | 09:41 |
| nlsthzn | well I won't say I am driving anything to be honest... I did provide a "spark" :D just trying to assist as best I can... | 09:42 |
| marcog | then if that works, then look into forming an official loco | 09:42 |
| nlsthzn | marcog: ok... will give them this year to make or break and take it from there? | 09:42 |
| marcog | perhaps, i dunno i just get the gut feeling you might annoy them if they're already resisting becoming an official loco | 09:43 |
| nlsthzn | true... I must also remember everything here runs on the speed of mud | 09:44 |
| marcog | haha! | 09:44 |
| drubin | Reminder about meeing later | 14:19 |
| drubin | meeting | 14:19 |
| marcog | drubin: sadly, i will probably miss it again :/ | 14:21 |
| marcog | somehow i always have something else at the time | 14:21 |
| nlsthzn | I almost forget :) | 14:21 |
| nlsthzn | forgot | 14:21 |
| kbmonkey | I finish class at 7 so Ill make it this time drubin | 14:21 |
| tumbleweed | cocooncrash: care to bump Maaz up to current 0.1? | 14:21 |
| cocooncrash | Maaz: wb | 14:24 |
| Maaz | Thank you so much cocooncrash my good good friend | 14:24 |
| cocooncrash | tumbleweed: Done | 14:24 |
| tumbleweed | cocooncrash: thanks :) | 14:24 |
| nlsthzn | I don't seem to be part of ubuntu-za according to launchpad... eh? | 14:27 |
| nlsthzn | Ah... I am a "pending" member https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ... I demand a SHRUBARY! | 14:49 |
| drubin | nlsthzn: never got email notificationw ill accept later or during the meeting :) | 14:54 |
| kbmonkey | pad slaan - I'll be back for the meeting | 14:56 |
| nlsthzn | drubin: thanks :D | 15:01 |
| nlsthzn | the meeting will be how late tonight btw? | 15:17 |
| drubin | short i hope | 15:18 |
| drubin | there is nothing on the agenda | 15:18 |
| nlsthzn | drubin: lol, time of start? | 15:18 |
| superfly | 7:30 SAST | 15:23 |
| nlsthzn | superfly: thanks... had a look on ubuntu-za.org but could not find the info :/ | 15:25 |
| superfly | nlsthzn: it's usually on the mailing list | 15:27 |
| marcog | drubin: nothing on the agenda? what agenda are you looking at? ;P | 15:27 |
| nlsthzn | superfly: yup, that is where I saw it a few days ago (but forgot about it there :p) thx again (still, the site would make sense to have the same info) | 15:28 |
| drubin | nlsthzn: the one in the email | 15:28 |
| drubin | and there are stuff i hope | 15:28 |
| nlsthzn | drubin: lol, suspect that was meant for superfly ;) | 15:29 |
| nuvolari | oh oh! meeting tonight. | 15:31 |
| * nuvolari pins his earlobe to his laptop | 15:31 | |
| * tumbleweed waves goodby to tenet | 16:21 | |
| drubin | marcog: there is stuff on the agenda for the meeting | 16:29 |
| drubin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 | 16:29 |
| Morganvd | howdie all | 17:17 |
| kbmonkey | hello | 17:18 |
| arthurrilke | hi there | 17:18 |
| drubin | hi arthurrilke welcome | 17:19 |
| arthurrilke | thanks | 17:19 |
| drubin | marcog: you joining right? | 17:24 |
| drubin | mostly because you added stuff to the agenda | 17:24 |
| drubin | Maaz: list permissions for drubin | 17:24 |
| Maaz | drubin: What? | 17:24 |
| drubin | Maaz: help with permissions | 17:25 |
| Maaz | drubin: I use the following features for bot accounts and permissions: accounts and auth | 17:25 |
| Maaz | Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. | 17:25 |
| drubin | Maaz: how do I use permissions | 17:25 |
| Maaz | drubin: Please be more specific. I don't know if you mean auth or test | 17:25 |
| drubin | Maaz: how do I use permissions auth | 17:25 |
| Maaz | drubin: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this: | 17:25 |
| Maaz | authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>] | 17:25 |
| Maaz | auth <credential> | 17:25 |
| Maaz | (grant|revoke|remove) <permission> (to|from|on) <username> [when authed] | 17:25 |
| Maaz | permissions [for <username>] | 17:25 |
| Maaz | list permissions | 17:25 |
| drubin | Maaz: list permissions | 17:25 |
| Maaz | drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, config, core, debug, eval, factoid, factoidadmin, feeds, karma, karmaadmin, nmap, plugins, recvmemo, regex, saydo, sendmemo, sources and summon | 17:25 |
| tumbleweed | that's not what you want | 17:25 |
| tumbleweed | Maaz: permissions | 17:25 |
| Maaz | tumbleweed: Permissions: chairmeeting and nmap | 17:25 |
| drubin | Maaz: Announce meeting in 5mins | 17:25 |
| Maaz | Hear ye, hear ye! meeting in 5mins | 17:25 |
| tumbleweed | ^ that's what you want | 17:26 |
| * nlsthzn lurks | 17:26 | |
| drubin | tumbleweed: I have chairmeeting | 17:26 |
| drubin | Maaz: permissions | 17:26 |
| Maaz | drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, factoidadmin, karmaadmin, saydo, sources and soures | 17:26 |
| drubin | tumbleweed oops just saw it wasn't listing my permissions :) | 17:26 |
| drubin | arthurrilke: Hey did you join to lurk around the meeting? Or did you need any or any thing? | 17:28 |
| arthurrilke | here for the meeting, was I supposed to sign up somewhere first? | 17:28 |
| * kbmonkey sips tea mmmm | 17:29 | |
| Morganvd | um yeah | 17:30 |
| Morganvd | should i sign up | 17:30 |
| drubin | arthurrilke: No not at all :) just wondering if you needed help with any thing | 17:31 |
| arthurrilke | drubin: i'm quite alright, but thanks for asking:) | 17:31 |
| drubin | Ok going to give it another 5mins waiting for people, Also I would like something to drink | 17:31 |
| superfly | ohi | 17:32 |
| * nlsthzn also has a spot of tea | 17:32 | |
| kbmonkey | ohi superfly | 17:33 |
| kbmonkey | its an irc tea party | 17:33 |
| * Banlam prefers coffee | 17:33 | |
| * maiatoday is eating an almond magnum | 17:34 | |
| superfly | wow, for a short-notice meeting, we sure have a number of folks here | 17:34 |
| drubin | it is ALL miaia | 17:34 |
| drubin | and Queery | 17:34 |
| kbmonkey | I'm jealous maiatoday! :) | 17:34 |
| Queery | hello all | 17:35 |
| maiatoday | hello Queery | 17:35 |
| maiatoday | and everybody else of course | 17:35 |
| * nlsthzn waves | 17:35 | |
| maiatoday | our first meeting for 2011 | 17:35 |
| kbmonkey | hi Queery and nlsthzn | 17:35 |
| drubin | Maaz: Start meeting | 17:36 |
| * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles | 17:36 | |
| tumbleweed | Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera | 17:36 |
| Maaz | tumbleweed: Done | 17:36 |
| superfly | Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman | 17:36 |
| Maaz | superfly: Sure | 17:36 |
| maiatoday | Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass | 17:36 |
| Maaz | maiatoday: Done | 17:36 |
| drubin | Hi guys agenda for this meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 | 17:36 |
| drubin | Maaz: I am David Rubin | 17:36 |
| Maaz | drubin: Sure | 17:36 |
| nlsthzn | Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen | 17:36 |
| Maaz | nlsthzn: Sure | 17:36 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz: I am Wesley Werner | 17:36 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Okay | 17:36 |
| Queery | maaz: i am Dewald Noeth | 17:36 |
| Maaz | Queery: Yessir | 17:36 |
| arthurrilke | maaz: i am Arthur Rilke | 17:36 |
| Maaz | arthurrilke: Done | 17:36 |
| drubin | So any one that feels like telling us who they are is free to tell the bot just like we did | 17:36 |
| Tonberry | Maaz: i am Hendrik van Wyk | 17:37 |
| Maaz | Tonberry: Righto | 17:37 |
| Banlam | maazL I am Gareth Cawood | 17:37 |
| Banlam | fail | 17:37 |
| Banlam | maaz: I am Gareth Cawood | 17:37 |
| Maaz | Banlam: Done | 17:37 |
| drubin | So basically welcome to any one that hasn't attended an online IRC meeting before | 17:37 |
| cocooncrash | Maaz: I am Michael Gorven | 17:37 |
| Maaz | cocooncrash: Okay | 17:37 |
| kbmonkey | (For those using XChat, you can use the TAB key to auto-complete names :)) | 17:37 |
| drubin | we seem to have lots of new people and some rather old people lurking around so welcome! To the first meeting of the year | 17:38 |
| Queery | thanx drubin | 17:38 |
| drubin | Sorry we have been kinda slack about events/meetup/meetings but December is kinda dead time for most people | 17:38 |
| drubin | marcog: are you around for your agenda points? | 17:38 |
| Queery | he seems to be away | 17:39 |
| drubin | either way moving onto point 1: Review previous minutes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213 | 17:39 |
| * nlsthzn sees his name on the minutes and is happy :) | 17:40 | |
| drubin | maiatoday: Do you remember if you mailed the list about open office? | 17:40 |
| maiatoday | no I didn't | 17:40 |
| maiatoday | I remember, I didn't | 17:40 |
| drubin | Ok it would be nice to do something like that soon since schools are actually struggling with the whole MS not renewing their licenses thing | 17:41 |
| drubin | Maybe it would be cool if we could find some one on the OO/Libre office team to help us write something up? | 17:41 |
| maiatoday | ok let me take that action point again | 17:41 |
| * nlsthzn wonders, openoffice or libre office? | 17:41 | |
| tumbleweed | so, I went to a meeting with the western cape school IT support people last month | 17:42 |
| tumbleweed | they're all pretty afraid of OSS | 17:42 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: tell us more | 17:42 |
| * tumbleweed was there with my supervisor, and we were doing a talk on OSS | 17:42 | |
| Tonberry | does their curriculum not require the use of ms office? | 17:43 |
| drubin | Tonberry: yes but that can be changed.... (theoretically) | 17:43 |
| tumbleweed | his message was "be careful, OSS doesn't guarantee lower TCO" but also that he supports it and uses it | 17:43 |
| tumbleweed | there were all sorts of concerns and questions, but basically, I don't see much changing | 17:43 |
| drubin | since MS is no longer free and the goverment requires that they explore FLOSS they can't make it MS specific any more | 17:43 |
| Tonberry | oh | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | there aren't enough staff, and they loose the good people... | 17:44 |
| Tonberry | cool | 17:44 |
| Queery | i like that | 17:44 |
| drubin | Tonberry: the problem isn't the technical exams.. it is training the teachers to be able to teach FOSS stuff | 17:44 |
| drubin | training + supporting it | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | drubin: yes, but there's obviously significant motivation to stay with the status quo here | 17:44 |
| Tonberry | ok | 17:44 |
| nlsthzn | ppl fear change :/ | 17:45 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: true, doesn't mean we shouldn't try | 17:45 |
| Tonberry | but it would mean that all the schools have to change and not just some of them? | 17:45 |
| drubin | Tonberry: Most of the stuff can be done in OO provided they alter the wording/marking sheet SLIGHTLY | 17:45 |
| tumbleweed | quite simply, switching major packages would require re-training, which iwon't be cheap | 17:45 |
| kbmonkey | I propose we investigate current LO issues first, I heard there were a couple major stability issues | 17:45 |
| tumbleweed | but yes, nothing will happen unless someone pushes them | 17:46 |
| drubin | kbmonkey: stability isn't their major concern as tumbly pointed out it is the proccess/traning/money | 17:46 |
| Tonberry | code can be fixed | 17:46 |
| tumbleweed | and the concern that "this isn't whaht th industry uses" | 17:46 |
| kbmonkey | so getting them to adopt OSS is the hurdle | 17:47 |
| nlsthzn | any plan for change will have to be long term | 17:47 |
| Banlam | are schools really concerned about what the industry uses? | 17:47 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: I guess that is why they are pushing delphi in schools right? | 17:47 |
| Queery | I think most of the staff knows the old ms office and OOO is very much like it, that might help get them to move over to it | 17:47 |
| tumbleweed | Banlam: yes, schools in general are very concious of industry | 17:47 |
| Tonberry | haha @ delphi | 17:47 |
| drubin | Banlam: Yes they are "training students to become competent in the work place" | 17:47 |
| Banlam | ok, they never really relayed that to us when i was in school :P | 17:47 |
| Tonberry | i thought they were on java these days | 17:47 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: I think education department more then schools | 17:47 |
| drubin | Banlam: "trying" doesn't mean they are good at it :( | 17:48 |
| Banlam | tonberry, lots of private/ieb schools are on delphi | 17:48 |
| tumbleweed | drubin: I took industry more seriously when I was in school than I do now | 17:48 |
| Tonberry | poor things | 17:48 |
| drubin | I don't think us debating this in this channel right now is going to solve stuff though... | 17:48 |
| tumbleweed | I think some good case studies would be a start | 17:48 |
| tumbleweed | people pushing their own children's schools to experiment... | 17:49 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: True but where/who/how do we go about that | 17:49 |
| Queery | i agree | 17:49 |
| drubin | Any one have any thing more on this or can we move on? | 17:49 |
| tumbleweed | no, lets move on | 17:49 |
| drubin | I am going to move stuff around slightly because my point effects the events for 2011 | 17:50 |
| drubin | Maaz: Topic Loco-Contact replacement | 17:50 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Loco-Contact replacement | 17:50 |
| drubin | So basically over the last few months I have not been doing enough. | 17:50 |
| drubin | maiatoday has honestly been helping me far far beyond what is required and been the driving force behind ubuntu-za (un officially) | 17:51 |
| drubin | the problem is over the last 2 or so months maiatoday has had other more important things to be doing so has helped see so, and it started to show how little I am doing for ubuntu-za | 17:52 |
| maiatoday | drubin is there a reference somewhere where one can see what a loco contact typically does? | 17:52 |
| drubin | not that I was ever trying to hide it from any one, It just worked out that I did offical paper work stuffs and maia did an amazing job at events | 17:52 |
| Queery | what is the official structure of the loco team | 17:52 |
| nlsthzn | understandable, this is all above and beyond stuff... | 17:53 |
| drubin | Queery: We don't have one (and I don't think we should) | 17:53 |
| tumbleweed | the loco contacts are the point of contact between the loco council and us (as I understand it), and that's about it | 17:53 |
| maiatoday | if we have a list of things we want to do then maybe we can delegate some tasks which would help | 17:53 |
| drubin | but the reason I am brining it is, is I have no problem continuing to do what I have been doing for the last almost 3 years BUT I do feel that some one with fresh blood and more motivation can do more for ubuntu-za then I can at the momment | 17:53 |
| maiatoday | well then drubin is doing a great job because he is our contact | 17:53 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: yes, but we ubuntu-za take loco-contact as being the "TeamLeader" and "Driving force" | 17:54 |
| kbmonkey | pointing out there is a generalized LoCo Howto at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto | 17:54 |
| * nlsthzn thinks delegation is the name of the team game | 17:54 | |
| maiatoday | but it is always a good idea to step away before you fall down dead :) | 17:54 |
| drubin | because every one ha always asked me "can I do this" which is kinda not the way things should work IMHO | 17:54 |
| * tumbleweed would happily serve as a contact, for the paperwork side, but I don't have the time/energy left to be a decent leader / driving force | 17:54 | |
| drubin | maiatoday: Hence brining it up | 17:54 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: that can work if we can find some one to handle the other side of things | 17:55 |
| drubin | this kinda the way maiatoday and I did things | 17:55 |
| maiatoday | tumbleweed: I am planning to continue to do whatever I dream up to do, but I will have sparser time slots this year | 17:55 |
| maiatoday | so whoever becomes the contact will have my support | 17:55 |
| kbmonkey | so delegating tasks out to more people, making lighter work for everyone | 17:55 |
| Queery | i am more than willing to halp with organising events | 17:56 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: And mine. | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | Queery: awesome! | 17:56 |
| drubin | but I just think the offical title needs to be moved on to some one else | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | kbmonkey: th problem is one can't delegate to volunteers, somebody has to stand up | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | err to unnamed volunteers | 17:56 |
| drubin | kbmonkey: Deligation does NOT work in this type of setup | 17:56 |
| drubin | it never has.. | 17:56 |
| drubin | people need to just do stuff | 17:56 |
| drubin | :( | 17:56 |
| kbmonkey | as of this month I have fixed net access, want to help again :) | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | we call it a do-ocracy | 17:56 |
| drubin | that is why I became contact because I kinda wanted to do stuff so did it, then maia came about and did amazingly awesome stuff with stellenbosch and she did stuff | 17:57 |
| * nlsthzn finds doing stuff when not knowing what stuff needs done can be... troublesome | 17:57 | |
| drubin | any how I have never really cared for the title thing, I just owe it to ubuntu-za to mention this. | 17:57 |
| tumbleweed | nlsthzn: there's nothing that needs to be done really | 17:57 |
| tumbleweed | we just want to do as much as we can :) | 17:58 |
| drubin | I had planned on writing up the wiki page of stuff I do, but my net access was kinda flaky | 17:58 |
| * maiatoday doesn't know what needs to be done either :) | 17:58 | |
| Queery | i think that we need atleast oe rep per region | 17:58 |
| nlsthzn | cool, at least I am on the same page as you guys then :p | 17:58 |
| drubin | maiatoday: I think we need more of what you did last year (but by every one around the country) more in person meetings/events | 17:58 |
| maiatoday | I agree | 17:58 |
| drubin | honestly the paper work/team reports/ML is nothing and takes 2mins | 17:59 |
| Queery | agee | 17:59 |
| maiatoday | and it's fun and easy too | 17:59 |
| kbmonkey | I like that idea | 17:59 |
| drubin | maiatoday: but requires motivation | 17:59 |
| * nlsthzn thinks drubin is fine as the guy with the title | 17:59 | |
| drubin | kbmonkey: You do *not* need to be loco contact to do any of those things | 17:59 |
| Queery | can we set up a list of things we need/want to do | 17:59 |
| drubin | the problem I have with finding a new person is that almost all people that want to do it are people that haven't done it before | 18:00 |
| tumbleweed | Queery: that's a good chuck of what these meetings are about | 18:00 |
| tumbleweed | chunk | 18:00 |
| kbmonkey | Okay drubin | 18:00 |
| superfly | drubin: so are we proposing that maiatoday or tumbleweed become team contact(s)? | 18:00 |
| drubin | not that experience is the issue the issue is driving motivation | 18:00 |
| tumbleweed | superfly: I'd like to see somebody newer stand up | 18:00 |
| maiatoday | which is why Queery is a good candidate | 18:00 |
| drubin | ie the "get up and do atitude" | 18:00 |
| Queery | ubuntu hour and release parties are the main events at the moment | 18:00 |
| kbmonkey | drubin, I'd like to nominate myself, but also propose we nominate at least two | 18:01 |
| drubin | kbmonkey, nlsthzn not that I think you wouldn't make a good candidate that isn't what I am saying. | 18:01 |
| Queery | and i am more than willing | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | the Ubuntu wiki mentions "at least one" | 18:01 |
| drubin | I am saying that having a title changes nothing | 18:01 |
| maiatoday | I think it is good if there is more than one person | 18:01 |
| tumbleweed | however, if having a title gives someone motivation, then awesome :) | 18:01 |
| drubin | you need to continue to do what you have already been doing | 18:01 |
| * nlsthzn is to far away... but will always help if possible, when and where | 18:02 | |
| Banlam | will people not feel more obliged to do things with a title? although i agree this isn't the best way to look at i | 18:02 |
| Queery | maiatoday: per region? | 18:02 |
| * drubin is uses the term "we" to be whole ubuntu-za | 18:02 | |
| drubin | s/we/you | 18:02 |
| kbmonkey | I think team contacts communicating between another often is good motivation | 18:02 |
| superfly | so we have two nominations? | 18:03 |
| superfly | (or nominees) | 18:03 |
| * superfly has a few other things to do this evening and is hoping the meeting will roll quickly | 18:03 | |
| Queery | i nominate maia and myself for stellenbosch/ct | 18:04 |
| * Kerbero nominate queery too :P | 18:04 | |
| Tonberry | s | 18:04 |
| kbmonkey | And myself for Durban | 18:04 |
| Queery | or at least ct | 18:04 |
| drubin | Banlam: I have been contact since 2009 it is time to get rid of the old people | 18:04 |
| drubin | we do need single contact for the loco-council though | 18:05 |
| Banlam | that was aimed at me because? | 18:05 |
| drubin | Banlam: can't remember ;/ oops | 18:05 |
| Banlam | :P | 18:05 |
| drubin | Banlam: I think I started typing something else | 18:05 |
| Kerbero | lets nominate banlam | 18:05 |
| superfly | maiatoday: for loco-council contact? | 18:05 |
| Banlam | i respectfully decline | 18:05 |
| maiatoday | hang on, are we looking for contact or more people to do stuff | 18:05 |
| * nlsthzn thinks the wider loco should be included via mailing list maybe? | 18:06 | |
| maiatoday | I don't have time for the admin role, but I am not intending to stop organising whatever I want to organise :) | 18:06 |
| Queery | same here | 18:06 |
| kbmonkey | is local council contact diff than team contact? | 18:06 |
| Queery | does the loco contact need to be ubuntu member? | 18:06 |
| nlsthzn | nope | 18:07 |
| nlsthzn | but must have signed the code of conduct etc | 18:07 |
| drubin | Sorry should have been more clear this meeting is NOT to decide who to replace me | 18:07 |
| drubin | but rather how we should go about it | 18:07 |
| drubin | nlsthzn is completely right we aren't going to pick any one now. | 18:07 |
| superfly | drubin: oh, nominations and then elections at the next meeting? | 18:08 |
| drubin | nlsthzn: and should preferably be an ubuntumember OR working towards it | 18:08 |
| Queery | that should happen on the mailing list | 18:08 |
| drubin | superfly: IMHO elections are pointless | 18:08 |
| drubin | we give every one in ubuntu-za (ie the mailing list) a chance to vote and most of them either don't care or they don't have a clue who does stuff around here | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | however, I'd like to see some new blood helping to organise things | 18:09 |
| kbmonkey | instead of elections, lets nominate ourselves, try set up some system, and see how it works | 18:09 |
| Queery | but you give them the choice | 18:09 |
| maiatoday | We do want to give someone who is keen but hesitant a chance to jump in and help too | 18:10 |
| drubin | maiatoday: with out a doubt | 18:10 |
| drubin | but that is the problem with voting..... would those people get voted in? | 18:10 |
| maiatoday | so I propose that people elect themselves and then the smaller group of self elected people figure out what to do next | 18:11 |
| drubin | Either way I will continue to do my useless thing and deal with the ML's / website / ubuntu hours / Ubuntu release parties | 18:11 |
| Queery | the discussion and nominations can happen on the mailing list and voting on the irc | 18:11 |
| drubin | but I do think that by after this release party we should kick me out :) | 18:11 |
| maiatoday | not useless drubin, you are too modest | 18:11 |
| Queery | agree | 18:12 |
| nlsthzn | ubuntu-za rocks and so too all that make it happen | 18:12 |
| drubin | it really isn't that must work | 18:12 |
| drubin | much* | 18:12 |
| kbmonkey | Yes if you feel to bring in new people drubin I agree, it would help others learn the proces too! | 18:12 |
| drubin | any how think we should can this this "quick" meeting has gone on for 1:15mins :) | 18:12 |
| drubin | kbmonkey: I have NO intention of just disapearing just don't want to be offical any more | 18:13 |
| maiatoday | ok so do we send a call for self-election out on the ML as an action, and move on? | 18:13 |
| Tonberry | and we haven't even gotten to the bashing SU studnets part.... | 18:13 |
| drubin | Maaz: Agreed drubin will post to the ML about self nominations | 18:13 |
| Maaz | Agreed: drubin will post to the ML about self nominations | 18:13 |
| Queery | second maiatoday | 18:13 |
| kbmonkey | I thought so :) | 18:13 |
| drubin | Tonberry: ? | 18:13 |
| drubin | what did I miss | 18:14 |
| Tonberry | UCT LEG stand got >100 sign-ups, mostly beginners. How about Stellies? Can we do anything for these beginners that's more technical than a release party? | 18:14 |
| Tonberry | that part | 18:14 |
| drubin | Tonberry: margo wasn't here and no one really knew what else to say | 18:14 |
| Tonberry | ah | 18:14 |
| Tonberry | k | 18:14 |
| drubin | Tonberry: you can speak for stellies if you want? :) | 18:14 |
| Banlam | what happened when Kerbero handed out the ubuntu discs to all the first year BSC people? | 18:14 |
| drubin | wow stellies has a big turn out in here | 18:14 |
| Banlam | was there any follow up? | 18:14 |
| Kerbero | already did | 18:14 |
| Tonberry | i wont have anything good to say.... | 18:15 |
| Banlam | or feedback? | 18:15 |
| Kerbero | about 100 of them | 18:15 |
| Kerbero | herad nothing yet | 18:15 |
| Kerbero | will go and ask osmetime | 18:15 |
| Banlam | ok | 18:15 |
| * maiatoday hopes they aren't using them as beer coasters | 18:15 | |
| drubin | Maaz: agreeed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out | 18:15 |
| Maaz | drubin: Excuse me? | 18:15 |
| Queery | stellies is in a rut, ill try to get them out | 18:15 |
| drubin | Maaz: agreed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out | 18:15 |
| Maaz | Agreed: Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out | 18:15 |
| Tonberry | the server edition cds make great beer coasters.... | 18:15 |
| Kerbero | hehe ja | 18:15 |
| drubin | Queery: No actually stellies is doing the most events/stuff out of the whole country | 18:15 |
| Kerbero | dis crap om met so baie van hulle te sit | 18:15 |
| Queery | agree | 18:16 |
| Tonberry | but few of the ones participating are students | 18:16 |
| * nlsthzn wants some to be shipped to the UAE ;) | 18:16 | |
| drubin | nlsthzn kbmonkey: The location thing *really* is kinda helps btw | 18:16 |
| drubin | we do need more people around SA | 18:16 |
| Queery | stellies it self is just attending ubuntu-za events | 18:16 |
| drubin | Any one else have any thing to say? | 18:16 |
| Kerbero | my dvorak fail | 18:16 |
| Kerbero | <Banlam> wie gaan die volgende sulug beer evening reel? | 18:17 |
| Kerbero | baie valid vraag | 18:17 |
| Banlam | lol | 18:17 |
| Tonberry | sulug!=ubuntu-za | 18:17 |
| Banlam | i think that's specific top stellenbosch | 18:17 |
| Kerbero | so? | 18:17 |
| Banlam | yeah | 18:17 |
| Kerbero | ons run basies sulug | 18:17 |
| Banlam | and not really for discussion here | 18:17 |
| * Kerbero gaan slaap maar weer | 18:17 | |
| drubin | every single person that comes bar gareth is an ubuntu user | 18:17 |
| Queery | agree | 18:18 |
| drubin | Maaz: End meeting | 18:18 |
| Maaz | Meeting Ended | 18:18 |
| Maaz | Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.html | 18:18 |
| Banlam | other gareth* | 18:18 |
| drubin | Banlam: They didn't know it was you | 18:18 |
| Banlam | :P | 18:18 |
| drubin | that I was refering to you | 18:18 |
| Tonberry | they do now | 18:18 |
| drubin | which I wasn't | 18:18 |
| Banlam | no | 18:18 |
| Banlam | but i am the only gareth mentioned here | 18:18 |
| Queery | hehe | 18:18 |
| nlsthzn | wow... that ended... suddenly :p | 18:18 |
| drubin | blah meeting minutes on the wiki then shower | 18:18 |
| drubin | Banlam: if I was talking about you I would have said Banlam | 18:18 |
| Banlam | fair enough :) | 18:18 |
| kbmonkey | that flew by | 18:18 |
| Kerbero | you could have said garson | 18:18 |
| drubin | nlsthzn: sorry asked if any one wanted to say any thing else and people started drifting :) so assumed no one had any thing else | 18:19 |
| drubin | we an discuss any thing else now thoug? | 18:19 |
| maiatoday | well we can still organise a party with the table cloth and the banner some day | 18:19 |
| kbmonkey | No I had nothing to add atm :0 | 18:19 |
| Kerbero | die cds... | 18:19 |
| drubin | Kerbero: maar niemaand weet wie garson is nie | 18:19 |
| nlsthzn | oh lol... am following severed fifth on irc too so struggled to keep track on both | 18:19 |
| Kerbero | hoeko kry ons so bai eserver en so min desktop? | 18:19 |
| drubin | maiatoday: Release party | 18:19 |
| maiatoday | did the table cloth and the banner go to ct | 18:19 |
| maiatoday | ok | 18:19 |
| drubin | maiatoday: Yes marcog has them and is looking after them | 18:19 |
| Queery | sfd can use the table cloth | 18:19 |
| maiatoday | and will we have a global jam event? | 18:20 |
| nlsthzn | btw, jono and severed fifth is making an appeal, they need another $2000 dollars to finish the new album please assist if you can http://www.severedfifth.com/pay/ kthxbai | 18:20 |
| maiatoday | shall I mail the ML reminding about the Developer Week? | 18:20 |
| Queery | yes please | 18:20 |
| maiatoday | I guess those are all marcog's agenda points | 18:20 |
| tumbleweed | people better comte to my UDW talk :P | 18:21 |
| Banlam | UDW? | 18:21 |
| tumbleweed | developer week | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | been a fan of severed fifth a while, and only made the link a year later :) | 18:21 |
| drubin | maiatoday: Sure | 18:21 |
| Banlam | link? | 18:21 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: wait are you going this year? | 18:21 |
| kbmonkey | UDW yay! | 18:21 |
| drubin | or just doing it remotely | 18:22 |
| drubin | never mind UDW != UDS | 18:22 |
| nlsthzn | kbmonkey: apparently the studio recordings going awesome | 18:22 |
| tumbleweed | drubin: I can apply... | 18:22 |
| * Banlam bids the people of freenode adieu | 18:24 | |
| Kerbero | tatta ban | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | good turnout for the first irc meet! | 18:26 |
| drubin | kbmonkey: Ye it was | 18:28 |
| drubin | our channel also has a decent turn out we normaly idle on like 35 | 18:28 |
| froztbyte | drubin: bots are people too! | 18:29 |
| * nlsthzn like Maazkwaai | 18:30 | |
| * nlsthzn like Maaz kwaai | 18:30 | |
| maiatoday | drubin, I want to mail the ML about the Open Office thing, but I don't really have all the facts | 18:31 |
| maiatoday | also drubin, shall I do the minutes for you? | 18:31 |
| drubin | maiatoday: it is fine we need to figure out what we intent doing about it | 18:31 |
| drubin | maiatoday: nah already doing it | 18:31 |
| maiatoday | okedoke | 18:31 |
| arthurrilke | cheers all | 18:33 |
| Queery | ok bye! | 18:35 |
| maiatoday | bye Queery | 18:35 |
| * kbmonkey is speechless after a long monday :) | 19:05 | |
| nlsthzn | night all | 19:10 |
| kbmonkey | nite | 19:16 |
| marcog | drubin: sorry, i said earlier i wasn't gonna be around :( | 20:32 |
| * marcog will read minutes | 20:32 | |
| drubin | marcog: I didn't get your answer | 20:32 |
| marcog | about? | 20:32 |
| drubin | that you weren't going to be here | 20:34 |
| marcog | ah | 20:34 |
| * marcog really wants to be involved in the meetings but things magically always seem to crop up | 20:35 | |
| marcog | drubin: btw, they reverted the delphi decision and chose to keep status quo | 20:38 |
| superfly | marcog: which is Java? | 20:38 |
| drubin | marcog: blah doesn't matter | 20:38 |
| drubin | my point was that they were wanting to do things like that | 20:38 |
| marcog | superfly: for 4 of 9 provinces, yes | 20:38 |
| marcog | drubin: i understand, just thought i'd point it out | 20:38 |
| drubin | marcog: :) | 20:39 |
| marcog | drubin: finally got through that | 20:48 |
| marcog | no plan for release part or global jam? | 20:48 |
| marcog | they're not far away | 20:48 |
| drubin | Why me? | 20:50 |
| marcog | you chaired the meeting :P | 20:50 |
| drubin | marcog: No plans yet | 20:51 |
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