[05:58] <superfly> hey Symmetria, it's your birthday, happy birthday!
[07:42] <nlsthzn> cool, happy b day Symmetria.... and good morning superfly
[07:43] <superfly> heya nlsthzn
[07:44] <nlsthzn> brb, got to assit the wife in a "game" ... her mouse control not the best :D
[07:56] <Kilos> morning superfly and every one else
[07:58] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: you're late... did you oversleep? :-P
[07:59] <Kilos> hehe i was up at 4 to great debs when she got home from work then went back to sleep
[08:04] <Kilos> hiya corrie206 howzit
[08:05] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos :)
[08:07] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[08:07] <Kilos> hows arab land
[08:07] <nlsthzn> In unrest it would seem :)
[08:07] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:08] <Kilos> saw on the idiot box
[08:08] <Kilos> doesnt look good
[08:08] <nlsthzn> interesting times
[08:09] <Kilos> anyone know how to tell xchat to use alsa. i have removed pulseaudio
[08:10] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hello, xchat, how are you? Fine thanks... please use also kthxbai
[08:10] <nlsthzn> *alsa
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:11] <Kilos> with pidgin when you use pulse it closes pidgin now and again
[08:11] <Kilos> if you change it to alsa probs gone
[08:12] <Kilos> here  in xchat it asks if you want to use an external sound playing program
[08:12] <superfly> Maaz: google for xchat use alsa
[08:12] <Maaz> superfly: "XChat | Linux App Finder" http://linuxappfinder.com/package/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in sid" http://packages.debian.org/sid/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in squeeze" http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xchat :: "Bug #249: Маскировка пакетов и обновление" http://www.calculate-linux.org/issues/249 :: "Gentoo Wiki Archives - FAQ_USE_Flags" http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/FAQ_
[08:12] <Kilos> but i think you need to give it the path to alsa
[08:12] <superfly> nope, that doesn't work
[08:13] <Kilos> and thats got me
[08:14] <Kilos> with pidgin there a button called method and when pressed it gives a choice
[08:16] <superfly> Kilos: which version of xchat do you have, the gnome-ified version, or the normal version
[08:16] <Kilos> the normal one superfly 
[08:16] <Kilos> i dont like the gnome one
[08:17] <Kilos> if i go search files
[08:17] <Kilos> i find lotsa alsa files in /usr
[08:17] <Kilos> but dunno which one to use or even if thats the right way
[08:19] <superfly> no, that's not the right thing
[08:19] <superfly> you need to select a device usually
[08:19] <superfly> Kilos: what's the version number of your xchat?
[08:19] <Kilos> i look if there anything in /dev
[08:20] <Kilos> i dunno how to find that superfly 
[08:20] <Kilos> lo zerlgi 
[08:20] <nlsthzn> Kilos: should have info in help/about
[08:21] <superfly> Kilos: x-chat should use alsa automatically
[08:21] <nlsthzn> version number etc
[08:21] <Kilos> 2.8.6
[08:21] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[08:22] <superfly> Kilos: otherwise, select "external program" and type in /usr/bin/aplay
[08:22] <Kilos> i had to tell pidgin to use alsa
[08:22] <Kilos> maybe evrything uses pulse as default
[08:22] <zerlgi> Hi Kilos
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: probably... you probably need to tell gnome to use alsa
[08:23]  * nlsthzn strokes Quassel and it purrs back contently
[08:23]  * zerlgi waves at ubuntu-za's
[08:23] <Kilos> i go look if there a plugin in synaptic
[08:23]  * superfly strokes OSSv4 and Quassel
[08:24] <superfly> hi zerlgi
[08:25] <superfly> Kilos: run gconf or whatever it is, and look for a sound section
[08:25] <Kilos> also i am using karmic
[08:26] <Kilos> everything working well
[08:26] <nlsthzn> what does ubuntu/kubuntu use for sound by default, alsa or pulse?
[08:26] <zerlgi> pulse
[08:26] <nlsthzn> zerlgi: thx... I have never had issues with pulse then :)
[08:26] <Kilos> pulse
[08:26] <Kilos> before only prob i had with alsa was pidgin
[08:27] <Kilos> i mean pulse
[08:28] <Kilos> i member superfly  saying its the first thing he killed. and didnt know why
[08:28] <superfly> nlsthzn: actually, both
[08:28] <superfly> PulseAudio is a solution looking for a problem that no one has
[08:29] <nlsthzn> hmmm....
[08:30] <superfly> but now both Ubuntu and Kubuntu seem to think that they can't function without it
[08:30] <superfly> and in Kubuntu, it means that you have ZERO control over your volume
[08:31] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <Kilos> now since i removed pulse my volume button also gone
[08:31] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <nlsthzn> I seem to have very good volume control in Kubuntu?
[08:41] <Kilos> later. i try add xchat-xsys
[08:44] <superfly> nlsthzn: how many volume controls do you have? with pulse you get 1 - I want to be able to set my individual channels
[08:46] <nlsthzn> superfly: only one it seems... then again that is as many as I need/want :p
[08:47] <Kilos> what does ctcp sound mean?
[08:48] <kbmonkey> hi superfly, is this through alsamixer? :)
[08:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[08:48] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, KDE's default volume control applet, KMix
[08:48] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos and everyone
[08:49] <Kilos> w00t
[08:49] <Kilos> i got it
[08:49] <Kilos> told xchat to use that ctcp sound
[08:52] <kbmonkey> aah okay. man I'm sleepy today, but I just had to watch dexter!
[08:56] <Kilos> lol
[09:14] <Cantide> '<
[09:21] <nlsthzn> Busy looking at the requirements of setting up a LoCo for the UAE again... this definitly feels like eating a elephant :D
[09:23] <Cantide> has anyone experienced missing ibus icons?
[09:29] <marcog> nlsthzn: do you have much support there?
[09:30] <nlsthzn> marcog: there is a group which is actually becoming more and more active here in the UAE but so far they don't seem to be biting on the whole "official" loco thing...
[09:30] <marcog> roughly how many people?
[09:31] <nlsthzn> here is a link to the group and what they have been up to in the last 4-6 months
[09:31] <nlsthzn> http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/
[09:32] <nlsthzn> I think getting the group and there activities on the loco's list is a great way to attract more like minded ppl
[09:33] <marcog> so 14 signed-up to attend the installfest
[09:33] <marcog> that's pretty solid
[09:33] <marcog> for a new group
[09:34] <marcog> i think you need to have a word with drubin about the usefullness of being an official loco
[09:34] <nlsthzn> most all are locoted in the same city, Dubai... and there is an older inactive group http://www.meetup.com/uaelug/ with many people from there also helping/attending
[09:35] <nlsthzn> funny thing is I have not been able to attend anything yet as I live to far away :(
[09:35] <nlsthzn> marcog: will try and catch drubin when he is online again 
[09:41] <marcog> nlsthzn: i get the feeling this will fall apart quickly if you're the one driving it when you can't attend events
[09:41] <marcog> perhaps leave the others who are attending to drive it their way for now?
[09:41] <marcog> and try get a small group nearby where you are
[09:42] <nlsthzn> well I won't say I am driving anything to be honest... I did provide a "spark" :D just trying to assist as best I can...
[09:42] <marcog> then if that works, then look into forming an official loco
[09:42] <nlsthzn> marcog: ok... will give them this year to make or break and take it from there?
[09:43] <marcog> perhaps, i dunno i just get the gut feeling you might annoy them if they're already resisting becoming an official loco
[09:44] <nlsthzn> true... I must also remember everything here runs on the speed of mud
[09:44] <marcog> haha!
[14:19] <drubin> Reminder about meeing later
[14:19] <drubin> meeting
[14:21] <marcog> drubin: sadly, i will probably miss it again :/
[14:21] <marcog> somehow i always have something else at the time
[14:21] <nlsthzn> I almost forget :)
[14:21] <nlsthzn> forgot
[14:21] <kbmonkey> I finish class at 7 so Ill make it this time drubin 
[14:21] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: care to bump Maaz up to current 0.1?
[14:24] <cocooncrash> Maaz: wb
[14:24] <Maaz> Thank you so much cocooncrash my good good friend
[14:24] <cocooncrash> tumbleweed: Done
[14:24] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: thanks :)
[14:27] <nlsthzn> I don't seem to be part of ubuntu-za according to launchpad... eh?
[14:49] <nlsthzn> Ah... I am a "pending" member https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ... I demand a SHRUBARY!
[14:54] <drubin> nlsthzn: never got email notificationw ill accept later or during the meeting :)
[14:56] <kbmonkey> pad slaan - I'll be back for the meeting 
[15:01] <nlsthzn> drubin: thanks :D
[15:17] <nlsthzn> the meeting will be how late tonight btw?
[15:18] <drubin> short i hope 
[15:18] <drubin> there is nothing on the agenda
[15:18] <nlsthzn> drubin: lol, time of start?
[15:23] <superfly> 7:30 SAST
[15:25] <nlsthzn> superfly: thanks... had a look on ubuntu-za.org but could not find the info :/
[15:27] <superfly> nlsthzn: it's usually on the mailing list
[15:27] <marcog> drubin: nothing on the agenda? what agenda are you looking at? ;P
[15:28] <nlsthzn> superfly: yup, that is where I saw it a few days ago (but forgot about it there :p) thx again (still, the site would make sense to have the same info)
[15:28] <drubin> nlsthzn: the one in the email
[15:28] <drubin> and there are stuff i hope
[15:29] <nlsthzn> drubin: lol, suspect that was meant for superfly ;)
[15:31] <nuvolari> oh oh! meeting tonight.
[15:31]  * nuvolari pins his earlobe to his laptop
[16:21]  * tumbleweed waves goodby to tenet
[16:29] <drubin> marcog: there is stuff on the agenda for the meeting
[16:29] <drubin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221
[17:17] <Morganvd> howdie all
[17:18] <kbmonkey> hello
[17:18] <arthurrilke> hi there
[17:19] <drubin> hi arthurrilke  welcome
[17:19] <arthurrilke> thanks
[17:24] <drubin> marcog: you joining right?
[17:24] <drubin> mostly because you added stuff to the agenda
[17:24] <drubin> Maaz: list permissions for drubin
[17:24] <Maaz> drubin: What?
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: help with permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: I use the following features for bot accounts and permissions: accounts and auth
[17:25] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: how do I use permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Please be more specific. I don't know if you mean auth or test
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: how do I use permissions auth
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this:
[17:25] <Maaz>   authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[17:25] <Maaz>   auth <credential>
[17:25] <Maaz>   (grant|revoke|remove) <permission> (to|from|on) <username> [when authed]
[17:25] <Maaz>   permissions [for <username>]
[17:25] <Maaz>   list permissions
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: list permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, config, core, debug, eval, factoid, factoidadmin, feeds, karma, karmaadmin, nmap, plugins, recvmemo, regex, saydo, sendmemo, sources and summon
[17:25] <tumbleweed> that's not what you want
[17:25] <tumbleweed> Maaz: permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Permissions: chairmeeting and nmap
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: Announce meeting in 5mins
[17:25] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! meeting in 5mins
[17:26] <tumbleweed> ^ that's what you want
[17:26]  * nlsthzn lurks
[17:26] <drubin> tumbleweed: I have chairmeeting
[17:26] <drubin> Maaz: permissions
[17:26] <Maaz> drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, factoidadmin, karmaadmin, saydo, sources and soures
[17:26] <drubin>  tumbleweed oops just saw it wasn't listing my permissions :)
[17:28] <drubin> arthurrilke: Hey did you join to lurk around the meeting? Or did you need any or any thing?
[17:28] <arthurrilke> here for the meeting, was I supposed to sign up somewhere first?
[17:29]  * kbmonkey sips tea mmmm
[17:30] <Morganvd> um yeah
[17:30] <Morganvd> should i sign up
[17:31] <drubin> arthurrilke: No not at all :) just wondering if you needed help with any thing
[17:31] <arthurrilke> drubin: i'm quite alright, but thanks for asking:)
[17:31] <drubin> Ok going to give it another 5mins waiting for people, Also I would like something to drink
[17:32] <superfly> ohi
[17:32]  * nlsthzn also has a spot of tea
[17:33] <kbmonkey> ohi superfly 
[17:33] <kbmonkey> its an irc tea party
[17:33]  * Banlam prefers coffee
[17:34]  * maiatoday is eating an almond magnum
[17:34] <superfly> wow, for a short-notice meeting, we sure have a number of folks here
[17:34] <drubin> it is ALL miaia
[17:34] <drubin> and Queery 
[17:34] <kbmonkey> I'm jealous maiatoday! :)
[17:35] <Queery> hello all
[17:35] <maiatoday> hello Queery 
[17:35] <maiatoday> and everybody else of course
[17:35]  * nlsthzn waves 
[17:35] <maiatoday> our first meeting for 2011
[17:35] <kbmonkey> hi Queery and nlsthzn 
[17:36] <drubin> Maaz: Start meeting
[17:36]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:36] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:36] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Done
[17:36] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:36] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[17:36] <maiatoday> Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass
[17:36] <Maaz> maiatoday: Done
[17:36] <drubin> Hi guys agenda for this meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221
[17:36] <drubin> Maaz: I am David Rubin
[17:36] <Maaz> drubin: Sure
[17:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz: I am Wesley Werner
[17:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay
[17:36] <Queery> maaz: i am Dewald Noeth
[17:36] <Maaz> Queery: Yessir
[17:36] <arthurrilke> maaz: i am Arthur Rilke
[17:36] <Maaz> arthurrilke: Done
[17:36] <drubin> So any one that feels like telling us who they are is free to tell the bot just like we did
[17:37] <Tonberry> Maaz: i am Hendrik van Wyk
[17:37] <Maaz> Tonberry: Righto
[17:37] <Banlam> maazL I am Gareth Cawood
[17:37] <Banlam> fail
[17:37] <Banlam> maaz: I am Gareth Cawood
[17:37] <Maaz> Banlam: Done
[17:37] <drubin> So basically welcome to any one that hasn't attended an online IRC meeting before
[17:37] <cocooncrash> Maaz: I am Michael Gorven
[17:37] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Okay
[17:37] <kbmonkey> (For those using XChat, you can use the TAB key to auto-complete names :))
[17:38] <drubin> we seem to have lots of new people and some rather old people lurking around so welcome! To the first meeting of the year
[17:38] <Queery> thanx drubin
[17:38] <drubin> Sorry we have been kinda slack about events/meetup/meetings but December is kinda dead time for most people
[17:38] <drubin> marcog: are you around for your agenda points?
[17:39] <Queery> he seems to be away
[17:39] <drubin> either way moving onto point 1: Review previous minutes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[17:40]  * nlsthzn sees his name on the minutes and is happy :)
[17:40] <drubin> maiatoday: Do you remember if you mailed the list about open office?
[17:40] <maiatoday> no I didn't
[17:40] <maiatoday> I remember, I didn't
[17:41] <drubin> Ok it would be nice to do something like that soon since schools are actually struggling with the whole MS not renewing their licenses thing
[17:41] <drubin> Maybe it would be cool if we could find some one on the OO/Libre office team to help us write something up?
[17:41] <maiatoday> ok let me take that action point again
[17:41]  * nlsthzn wonders, openoffice or libre office?
[17:42] <tumbleweed> so, I went to a meeting with the western cape school IT support people last month
[17:42] <tumbleweed> they're all pretty afraid of OSS
[17:42] <drubin> tumbleweed: tell us more
[17:42]  * tumbleweed was there with my supervisor, and we were doing a talk on OSS
[17:43] <Tonberry> does their curriculum not require the use of ms office?
[17:43] <drubin> Tonberry: yes but that can be changed.... (theoretically)
[17:43] <tumbleweed> his message was "be careful, OSS doesn't guarantee lower TCO" but also that he supports it and uses it
[17:43] <tumbleweed> there were all sorts of concerns and questions, but basically, I don't see much changing
[17:43] <drubin> since MS is no longer free and the goverment requires that they explore FLOSS they can't make it MS specific any more
[17:44] <Tonberry> oh
[17:44] <tumbleweed> there aren't enough staff, and they loose the good people...
[17:44] <Tonberry> cool
[17:44] <Queery> i like that
[17:44] <drubin> Tonberry: the problem isn't the technical exams.. it is training the teachers to be able to teach FOSS stuff
[17:44] <drubin> training + supporting it
[17:44] <tumbleweed> drubin: yes, but there's obviously significant motivation to stay with the status quo here
[17:44] <Tonberry> ok
[17:45] <nlsthzn> ppl fear change :/
[17:45] <drubin> tumbleweed: true, doesn't mean we shouldn't try
[17:45] <Tonberry> but it would mean that all the schools have to change and not just some of them?
[17:45] <drubin> Tonberry: Most of the stuff can be done in OO provided they alter the wording/marking sheet SLIGHTLY
[17:45] <tumbleweed> quite simply, switching major packages would require re-training, which iwon't be cheap
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I propose we investigate current LO issues first, I heard there were a couple major stability issues
[17:46] <tumbleweed> but yes, nothing will happen unless someone pushes them
[17:46] <drubin> kbmonkey: stability isn't their major concern as tumbly pointed out it is the proccess/traning/money
[17:46] <Tonberry> code can be fixed
[17:46] <tumbleweed> and the concern that "this isn't whaht th industry uses"
[17:47] <kbmonkey> so getting them to adopt OSS is the hurdle
[17:47] <nlsthzn> any plan for change will have to be long term
[17:47] <Banlam> are schools really concerned about what the industry uses?
[17:47] <drubin> tumbleweed: I guess that is why they are pushing delphi in schools right?
[17:47] <Queery> I think most of the staff knows the old ms office and OOO is very much like it, that might help get them to move over to it
[17:47] <tumbleweed> Banlam: yes, schools in general are very concious of industry
[17:47] <Tonberry> haha @ delphi
[17:47] <drubin> Banlam: Yes they are "training students to become competent in the work place"
[17:47] <Banlam> ok, they never really relayed that to us when i was in school :P
[17:47] <Tonberry> i thought they were on java these days
[17:47] <drubin> tumbleweed: I think education department more then schools
[17:48] <drubin> Banlam: "trying" doesn't mean they are good at it :(
[17:48] <Banlam> tonberry, lots of private/ieb schools are on delphi
[17:48] <tumbleweed> drubin: I took industry more seriously when I was in school than I do now
[17:48] <Tonberry> poor things
[17:48] <drubin> I don't think us debating this in this channel right now is going to solve stuff though...
[17:48] <tumbleweed> I think some good case studies would be a start
[17:49] <tumbleweed> people pushing their own children's schools to experiment...
[17:49] <drubin> tumbleweed: True but where/who/how do we go about that
[17:49] <Queery> i agree
[17:49] <drubin> Any one have any thing more on this or can we move on?
[17:49] <tumbleweed> no, lets move on
[17:50] <drubin> I am going to move stuff around slightly because my point effects the events for 2011
[17:50] <drubin> Maaz: Topic Loco-Contact replacement
[17:50] <Maaz> Current Topic: Loco-Contact replacement
[17:50] <drubin> So basically over the last few months I have not been doing enough.
[17:51] <drubin> maiatoday has honestly been helping me far far beyond what is required and been the driving force behind ubuntu-za (un officially)
[17:52] <drubin> the problem is over the last 2 or so months maiatoday has had other more important things to be doing so has helped see so, and it started to show how little I am doing for ubuntu-za
[17:52] <maiatoday> drubin is there a reference somewhere where one can see what a loco contact typically does?
[17:52] <drubin> not that I was ever trying to hide it from any one, It just worked out that I did offical paper work stuffs and maia did an amazing job at events
[17:52] <Queery> what is the official structure of the loco team
[17:53] <nlsthzn> understandable, this is all above and beyond stuff...
[17:53] <drubin> Queery: We don't have one (and I don't think we should)
[17:53] <tumbleweed> the loco contacts are the point of contact between the loco council and us (as I understand it), and that's about it
[17:53] <maiatoday> if we have a list of things we want to do then maybe we can delegate some tasks which would help
[17:53] <drubin> but the reason I am brining it is, is I have no problem continuing to do what I have been doing for the last almost 3 years BUT I do feel that some one with fresh blood and more motivation can do more for ubuntu-za then I can at the momment
[17:53] <maiatoday> well then drubin is doing a great job because he is our contact
[17:54] <drubin> tumbleweed: yes, but we ubuntu-za take loco-contact as being the "TeamLeader" and "Driving force" 
[17:54] <kbmonkey> pointing out there is a generalized LoCo Howto at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[17:54]  * nlsthzn thinks delegation is the name of the team game
[17:54] <maiatoday> but it is always a good idea to step away before you fall down dead :)
[17:54] <drubin> because every one ha always asked me "can I do this" which is kinda not the way things should work IMHO
[17:54]  * tumbleweed would happily serve as a contact, for the paperwork side, but I don't have the time/energy left to be a decent leader / driving force
[17:54] <drubin> maiatoday: Hence brining it up
[17:55] <drubin> tumbleweed: that can work if we can find some one to handle the other side of things
[17:55] <drubin> this kinda the way maiatoday and I did things
[17:55] <maiatoday> tumbleweed: I am planning to continue to do whatever I dream up to do, but I will have sparser time slots this year
[17:55] <maiatoday> so whoever becomes the contact will have my support
[17:55] <kbmonkey> so delegating tasks out to more people, making lighter work for everyone
[17:56] <Queery> i am more than willing to halp with organising events
[17:56] <drubin> tumbleweed: And mine.
[17:56] <tumbleweed> Queery: awesome!
[17:56] <drubin> but I just think the offical title needs to be moved on to some one else
[17:56] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: th problem is one can't delegate to volunteers, somebody has to stand up
[17:56] <tumbleweed> err to unnamed volunteers
[17:56] <drubin> kbmonkey: Deligation does NOT work in this type of setup
[17:56] <drubin> it never has..
[17:56] <drubin> people need to just do stuff
[17:56] <drubin> :(
[17:56] <kbmonkey> as of this month I have fixed net access, want to help again :)
[17:56] <tumbleweed> we call it a do-ocracy
[17:57] <drubin> that is why I became contact because I kinda wanted to do stuff so did it, then maia came about and did amazingly awesome stuff with stellenbosch and she did stuff
[17:57]  * nlsthzn finds doing stuff when not knowing what stuff needs done can be... troublesome
[17:57] <drubin> any how I have never really cared for the title thing, I just owe it to ubuntu-za to mention this.
[17:57] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: there's nothing that needs to be done really
[17:58] <tumbleweed> we just want to do as much as we can :)
[17:58] <drubin> I had planned on writing up the wiki page of stuff I do, but my net access was kinda flaky
[17:58]  * maiatoday doesn't know what needs to be done either :)
[17:58] <Queery> i think that we need atleast oe rep per region
[17:58] <nlsthzn> cool, at least I am on the same page as you guys then :p
[17:58] <drubin> maiatoday: I think we need more of what you did last year (but by every one around the country) more in person meetings/events
[17:58] <maiatoday> I agree
[17:59] <drubin> honestly the paper work/team reports/ML is nothing and takes 2mins
[17:59] <Queery> agee
[17:59] <maiatoday> and it's fun and easy too
[17:59] <kbmonkey> I like that idea 
[17:59] <drubin> maiatoday: but requires motivation 
[17:59]  * nlsthzn thinks drubin is fine as the guy with the title 
[17:59] <drubin> kbmonkey: You do *not* need to be loco contact to do any of those things
[17:59] <Queery> can we set up a list of things we need/want to do
[18:00] <drubin> the problem I have with finding a new person is that almost all people that want to do it are people that haven't done it before
[18:00] <tumbleweed> Queery: that's a good chuck of what these meetings are about
[18:00] <tumbleweed> chunk
[18:00] <kbmonkey> Okay drubin 
[18:00] <superfly> drubin: so are we proposing that maiatoday or tumbleweed become team contact(s)?
[18:00] <drubin> not that experience is the issue the issue is driving motivation
[18:00] <tumbleweed> superfly: I'd like to see somebody newer stand up
[18:00] <maiatoday> which is why Queery is a good candidate
[18:00] <drubin> ie the "get up and do atitude"
[18:00] <Queery> ubuntu hour and release parties are the main events at the moment
[18:01] <kbmonkey> drubin, I'd like to nominate myself, but also propose we nominate at least two 
[18:01] <drubin> kbmonkey, nlsthzn not that I think you wouldn't make a good candidate that isn't what I am saying.
[18:01] <Queery> and i am more than willing
[18:01] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu wiki mentions "at least one"
[18:01] <drubin> I am saying that having a title changes nothing
[18:01] <maiatoday> I think it is good if there is more than one person
[18:01] <tumbleweed> however, if having a title gives someone motivation, then awesome :)
[18:01] <drubin> you need to continue to do what you have already been doing
[18:02]  * nlsthzn is to far away... but will always help if possible, when and where 
[18:02] <Banlam> will people not feel more obliged to do things with a title? although i agree this isn't the best way to look at i
[18:02] <Queery> maiatoday: per region?
[18:02]  * drubin is uses the term "we" to be whole ubuntu-za
[18:02] <drubin> s/we/you
[18:02] <kbmonkey> I think team contacts communicating between another often is good motivation
[18:03] <superfly> so we have two nominations?
[18:03] <superfly> (or nominees)
[18:03]  * superfly has a few other things to do this evening and is hoping the meeting will roll quickly
[18:04] <Queery> i nominate maia and myself for stellenbosch/ct
[18:04]  * Kerbero nominate queery too :P
[18:04] <Tonberry> s
[18:04] <kbmonkey> And myself for Durban
[18:04] <Queery> or at least ct
[18:04] <drubin> Banlam: I have been contact since 2009 it is time to get rid of the old people
[18:05] <drubin> we do need single contact for the loco-council though
[18:05] <Banlam> that was aimed at me because?
[18:05] <drubin> Banlam: can't remember ;/ oops
[18:05] <Banlam> :P
[18:05] <drubin> Banlam: I think I started typing something else
[18:05] <Kerbero> lets nominate banlam
[18:05] <superfly> maiatoday: for loco-council contact?
[18:05] <Banlam> i respectfully decline
[18:05] <maiatoday> hang on, are we looking for contact or more people to do stuff
[18:06]  * nlsthzn thinks the wider loco should be included via mailing list maybe?
[18:06] <maiatoday> I don't have time for the admin role, but I am not intending to stop organising whatever I want to organise :)
[18:06] <Queery> same here
[18:06] <kbmonkey> is local council contact diff than team contact?
[18:06] <Queery> does the loco contact need to be ubuntu member?
[18:07] <nlsthzn> nope
[18:07] <nlsthzn> but must have signed the code of conduct etc
[18:07] <drubin> Sorry should have been more clear this meeting is NOT to decide who to replace me
[18:07] <drubin> but rather how we should go about it
[18:07] <drubin> nlsthzn is completely right we aren't going to pick any one now.
[18:08] <superfly> drubin: oh, nominations and then elections at the next meeting?
[18:08] <drubin> nlsthzn: and should preferably be an ubuntumember OR working towards it
[18:08] <Queery> that should happen on the mailing list
[18:08] <drubin> superfly: IMHO elections are pointless
[18:08] <drubin> we give every one in ubuntu-za (ie the mailing list) a chance to vote and most of them either don't care or they don't have a clue who does stuff around here
[18:09] <tumbleweed> however, I'd like to see some new blood helping to organise things
[18:09] <kbmonkey> instead of elections, lets nominate ourselves, try set up some system, and see how it works
[18:09] <Queery> but you give them the choice
[18:10] <maiatoday> We do want to give someone who is keen but hesitant a chance to jump in and help too
[18:10] <drubin> maiatoday: with out a doubt
[18:10] <drubin> but that is the problem with voting..... would those people get voted in?
[18:11] <maiatoday> so I propose that people elect themselves and then the smaller group of self elected people figure out what to do next
[18:11] <drubin> Either way I will continue to do my useless thing and deal with the ML's / website / ubuntu hours / Ubuntu release parties
[18:11] <Queery> the discussion and nominations can happen on the mailing list and voting on the irc
[18:11] <drubin> but I do think that by after this release party we should kick me out :)
[18:11] <maiatoday> not useless drubin, you are too modest
[18:12] <Queery> agree
[18:12] <nlsthzn> ubuntu-za rocks and so too all that make it happen
[18:12] <drubin> it really isn't that must work
[18:12] <drubin> much*
[18:12] <kbmonkey> Yes if you feel to bring in new people drubin I agree, it would help others learn the proces too!
[18:12] <drubin> any how think we should can this this "quick" meeting has gone on for 1:15mins :)
[18:13] <drubin> kbmonkey: I have NO intention of just disapearing just don't want to be offical any more
[18:13] <maiatoday> ok so do we send a call for self-election out on the ML as an action, and move on?
[18:13] <Tonberry> and we haven't even gotten to the bashing SU studnets part....
[18:13] <drubin> Maaz: Agreed drubin will post to the ML about self nominations
[18:13] <Maaz> Agreed: drubin will post to the ML about self nominations
[18:13] <Queery> second maiatoday 
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I thought so :)
[18:13] <drubin> Tonberry: ?
[18:14] <drubin> what did I miss
[18:14] <Tonberry> UCT LEG stand got >100 sign-ups, mostly beginners. How about Stellies? Can we do anything for these beginners that's more technical than a release party? 
[18:14] <Tonberry> that part
[18:14] <drubin> Tonberry: margo wasn't here and no one really knew what else to say
[18:14] <Tonberry> ah
[18:14] <Tonberry> k
[18:14] <drubin> Tonberry: you can speak for stellies if you want? :)
[18:14] <Banlam> what happened when Kerbero handed out the ubuntu discs to all the first year BSC people?
[18:14] <drubin> wow stellies has a big turn out in here
[18:14] <Banlam> was there any follow up?
[18:14] <Kerbero> already did
[18:15] <Tonberry> i wont have anything good to say....
[18:15] <Banlam> or feedback?
[18:15] <Kerbero> about 100 of them
[18:15] <Kerbero> herad nothing yet
[18:15] <Kerbero> will go and ask osmetime
[18:15] <Banlam> ok
[18:15]  * maiatoday hopes they aren't using them as beer coasters
[18:15] <drubin> Maaz: agreeed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Maaz> drubin: Excuse me?
[18:15] <Queery> stellies is in a rut, ill try to get them out
[18:15] <drubin> Maaz: agreed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Maaz> Agreed: Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Tonberry> the server edition cds make great beer coasters....
[18:15] <Kerbero> hehe ja
[18:15] <drubin> Queery: No actually stellies is doing the most events/stuff out of the whole country 
[18:15] <Kerbero> dis crap om met so baie van hulle te sit
[18:16] <Queery> agree
[18:16] <Tonberry> but few of the ones participating are students
[18:16]  * nlsthzn wants some to be shipped to the UAE ;)
[18:16] <drubin> nlsthzn kbmonkey: The location thing *really* is kinda helps btw
[18:16] <drubin> we do need more people around SA
[18:16] <Queery> stellies it self is just attending ubuntu-za events
[18:16] <drubin> Any one else have any thing to say? 
[18:16] <Kerbero> my dvorak fail
 wie gaan die volgende sulug beer evening reel?
[18:17] <Kerbero> baie valid vraag
[18:17] <Banlam> lol
[18:17] <Tonberry> sulug!=ubuntu-za
[18:17] <Banlam> i think that's specific top stellenbosch
[18:17] <Kerbero> so?
[18:17] <Banlam> yeah
[18:17] <Kerbero> ons run basies sulug
[18:17] <Banlam> and not really for discussion here
[18:17]  * Kerbero gaan slaap maar weer
[18:17] <drubin> every single person that comes bar gareth is an ubuntu user
[18:18] <Queery> agree
[18:18] <drubin> Maaz: End meeting
[18:18] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:18] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.html
[18:18] <Banlam> other gareth*
[18:18] <drubin> Banlam: They didn't know it was you
[18:18] <Banlam> :P
[18:18] <drubin> that I was refering to you
[18:18] <Tonberry> they do now
[18:18] <drubin> which I wasn't
[18:18] <Banlam> no
[18:18] <Banlam> but i am the only gareth mentioned here
[18:18] <Queery> hehe
[18:18] <nlsthzn> wow... that ended... suddenly :p
[18:18] <drubin> blah meeting minutes on the wiki then shower
[18:18] <drubin> Banlam: if I was talking about you I would have said Banlam 
[18:18] <Banlam> fair enough :)
[18:18] <kbmonkey> that flew by
[18:18] <Kerbero> you could have said garson
[18:19] <drubin> nlsthzn: sorry asked if any one wanted to say any thing else and people started drifting :) so assumed no one had any thing else
[18:19] <drubin> we an discuss any thing else now thoug?
[18:19] <maiatoday> well we can still organise a party with the table cloth and the banner some day
[18:19] <kbmonkey> No I had nothing to add atm :0
[18:19] <Kerbero> die cds...
[18:19] <drubin> Kerbero: maar niemaand weet wie garson is nie
[18:19] <nlsthzn> oh lol... am following severed fifth on irc too so struggled to keep track on both
[18:19] <Kerbero> hoeko kry ons so bai eserver en so min desktop?
[18:19] <drubin> maiatoday: Release party
[18:19] <maiatoday> did the table cloth and the banner go to ct
[18:19] <maiatoday> ok
[18:19] <drubin> maiatoday: Yes marcog has them and is looking after them
[18:19] <Queery> sfd can use the table cloth
[18:20] <maiatoday> and will we have a global jam event?
[18:20] <nlsthzn> btw, jono and severed fifth is making an appeal, they need another $2000 dollars to finish the new album please assist if you can http://www.severedfifth.com/pay/  kthxbai
[18:20] <maiatoday> shall I mail the ML reminding about the Developer Week?
[18:20] <Queery> yes please
[18:20] <maiatoday> I guess those are all marcog's agenda points
[18:21] <tumbleweed> people better comte to my UDW talk :P
[18:21] <Banlam> UDW?
[18:21] <tumbleweed> developer week
[18:21] <kbmonkey> been a fan of severed fifth a while, and only made the link a year later :)
[18:21] <drubin> maiatoday: Sure
[18:21] <Banlam> link?
[18:21] <drubin> tumbleweed: wait are you going this year?
[18:21] <kbmonkey> UDW yay! 
[18:22] <drubin> or just doing it remotely
[18:22] <drubin> never mind UDW != UDS
[18:22] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: apparently the studio recordings going awesome
[18:22] <tumbleweed> drubin: I can apply...
[18:24]  * Banlam bids the people of freenode adieu
[18:25] <Kerbero> tatta ban
[18:26] <kbmonkey> good turnout for the first irc meet!
[18:28] <drubin> kbmonkey: Ye it was 
[18:28] <drubin> our channel also has a decent turn out we normaly idle on like 35
[18:29] <froztbyte> drubin: bots are people too!
[18:30]  * nlsthzn like Maazkwaai
[18:30]  * nlsthzn like Maaz kwaai
[18:31] <maiatoday> drubin, I want to mail the ML about the Open Office thing, but I don't really have all the facts
[18:31] <maiatoday> also drubin, shall I do the minutes for you?
[18:31] <drubin> maiatoday: it is fine we need to figure out what we intent doing about it
[18:31] <drubin> maiatoday: nah already doing it
[18:31] <maiatoday> okedoke
[18:33] <arthurrilke> cheers all
[18:35] <Queery> ok bye!
[18:35] <maiatoday> bye Queery 
[19:05]  * kbmonkey is speechless after a long monday :)
[19:10] <nlsthzn> night all
[19:16] <kbmonkey> nite
[20:32] <marcog> drubin: sorry, i said earlier i wasn't gonna be around :(
[20:32]  * marcog will read minutes
[20:32] <drubin> marcog: I didn't get your answer
[20:32] <marcog> about?
[20:34] <drubin> that you weren't going to be here
[20:34] <marcog> ah
[20:35]  * marcog really wants to be involved in the meetings but things magically always seem to crop up
[20:38] <marcog> drubin: btw, they reverted the delphi decision and chose to keep status quo
[20:38] <superfly> marcog: which is Java?
[20:38] <drubin> marcog: blah doesn't matter
[20:38] <drubin> my point was that they were wanting to do things like that
[20:38] <marcog> superfly: for 4 of 9 provinces, yes
[20:38] <marcog> drubin: i understand, just thought i'd point it out
[20:39] <drubin> marcog: :)
[20:48] <marcog> drubin: finally got through that
[20:48] <marcog> no plan for release part or global jam?
[20:48] <marcog> they're not far away
[20:50] <drubin> Why me?
[20:50] <marcog> you chaired the meeting :P
[20:51] <drubin> marcog: No plans yet