[05:58] hey Symmetria, it's your birthday, happy birthday! [07:42] cool, happy b day Symmetria.... and good morning superfly [07:43] heya nlsthzn [07:44] brb, got to assit the wife in a "game" ... her mouse control not the best :D [07:56] morning superfly and every one else [07:58] hi Kilos [07:58] Kilos: you're late... did you oversleep? :-P [07:59] hehe i was up at 4 to great debs when she got home from work then went back to sleep [08:04] hiya corrie206 howzit [08:05] hey uncle Kilos :) [08:07] hiya nlsthzn [08:07] hows arab land [08:07] In unrest it would seem :) [08:07] oh yes [08:08] saw on the idiot box [08:08] doesnt look good [08:08] interesting times [08:09] anyone know how to tell xchat to use alsa. i have removed pulseaudio [08:10] Kilos: Hello, xchat, how are you? Fine thanks... please use also kthxbai [08:10] *alsa [08:10] hehe [08:11] with pidgin when you use pulse it closes pidgin now and again [08:11] if you change it to alsa probs gone [08:12] here in xchat it asks if you want to use an external sound playing program [08:12] Maaz: google for xchat use alsa [08:12] superfly: "XChat | Linux App Finder" http://linuxappfinder.com/package/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in sid" http://packages.debian.org/sid/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in squeeze" http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xchat :: "Bug #249: Маскировка пакетов и обновление" http://www.calculate-linux.org/issues/249 :: "Gentoo Wiki Archives - FAQ_USE_Flags" http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/FAQ_ [08:12] but i think you need to give it the path to alsa [08:12] nope, that doesn't work [08:13] and thats got me [08:14] with pidgin there a button called method and when pressed it gives a choice [08:16] Kilos: which version of xchat do you have, the gnome-ified version, or the normal version [08:16] the normal one superfly [08:16] i dont like the gnome one [08:17] if i go search files [08:17] i find lotsa alsa files in /usr [08:17] but dunno which one to use or even if thats the right way [08:19] no, that's not the right thing [08:19] you need to select a device usually [08:19] Kilos: what's the version number of your xchat? [08:19] i look if there anything in /dev [08:20] i dunno how to find that superfly [08:20] lo zerlgi [08:20] Kilos: should have info in help/about [08:21] Kilos: x-chat should use alsa automatically [08:21] version number etc [08:21] 2.8.6 [08:21] ty nlsthzn [08:22] Kilos: otherwise, select "external program" and type in /usr/bin/aplay [08:22] i had to tell pidgin to use alsa [08:22] maybe evrything uses pulse as default [08:22] Hi Kilos [08:23] Kilos: probably... you probably need to tell gnome to use alsa [08:23] * nlsthzn strokes Quassel and it purrs back contently [08:23] * zerlgi waves at ubuntu-za's [08:23] i go look if there a plugin in synaptic [08:23] * superfly strokes OSSv4 and Quassel [08:24] hi zerlgi [08:25] Kilos: run gconf or whatever it is, and look for a sound section [08:25] also i am using karmic [08:26] everything working well [08:26] what does ubuntu/kubuntu use for sound by default, alsa or pulse? [08:26] pulse [08:26] zerlgi: thx... I have never had issues with pulse then :) [08:26] pulse [08:26] before only prob i had with alsa was pidgin [08:27] i mean pulse [08:28] i member superfly saying its the first thing he killed. and didnt know why [08:28] nlsthzn: actually, both [08:28] PulseAudio is a solution looking for a problem that no one has [08:29] hmmm.... [08:30] but now both Ubuntu and Kubuntu seem to think that they can't function without it [08:30] and in Kubuntu, it means that you have ZERO control over your volume [08:31] lol [08:31] now since i removed pulse my volume button also gone [08:31] hehe [08:35] I seem to have very good volume control in Kubuntu? [08:41] later. i try add xchat-xsys [08:44] nlsthzn: how many volume controls do you have? with pulse you get 1 - I want to be able to set my individual channels [08:46] superfly: only one it seems... then again that is as many as I need/want :p [08:47] what does ctcp sound mean? [08:48] hi superfly, is this through alsamixer? :) [08:48] hi kbmonkey [08:48] kbmonkey: no, KDE's default volume control applet, KMix [08:48] hi Kilos and everyone [08:49] w00t [08:49] i got it [08:49] told xchat to use that ctcp sound [08:52] aah okay. man I'm sleepy today, but I just had to watch dexter! [08:56] lol === frozty_sa is now known as froztbyte [09:14] '< [09:21] Busy looking at the requirements of setting up a LoCo for the UAE again... this definitly feels like eating a elephant :D [09:23] has anyone experienced missing ibus icons? [09:29] nlsthzn: do you have much support there? [09:30] marcog: there is a group which is actually becoming more and more active here in the UAE but so far they don't seem to be biting on the whole "official" loco thing... [09:30] roughly how many people? [09:31] here is a link to the group and what they have been up to in the last 4-6 months [09:31] http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/ [09:32] I think getting the group and there activities on the loco's list is a great way to attract more like minded ppl [09:33] so 14 signed-up to attend the installfest [09:33] that's pretty solid [09:33] for a new group [09:34] i think you need to have a word with drubin about the usefullness of being an official loco [09:34] most all are locoted in the same city, Dubai... and there is an older inactive group http://www.meetup.com/uaelug/ with many people from there also helping/attending [09:35] funny thing is I have not been able to attend anything yet as I live to far away :( [09:35] marcog: will try and catch drubin when he is online again [09:41] nlsthzn: i get the feeling this will fall apart quickly if you're the one driving it when you can't attend events [09:41] perhaps leave the others who are attending to drive it their way for now? [09:41] and try get a small group nearby where you are [09:42] well I won't say I am driving anything to be honest... I did provide a "spark" :D just trying to assist as best I can... [09:42] then if that works, then look into forming an official loco [09:42] marcog: ok... will give them this year to make or break and take it from there? [09:43] perhaps, i dunno i just get the gut feeling you might annoy them if they're already resisting becoming an official loco [09:44] true... I must also remember everything here runs on the speed of mud [09:44] haha! [14:19] Reminder about meeing later [14:19] meeting [14:21] drubin: sadly, i will probably miss it again :/ [14:21] somehow i always have something else at the time [14:21] I almost forget :) [14:21] forgot [14:21] I finish class at 7 so Ill make it this time drubin [14:21] cocooncrash: care to bump Maaz up to current 0.1? [14:24] Maaz: wb [14:24] Thank you so much cocooncrash my good good friend [14:24] tumbleweed: Done [14:24] cocooncrash: thanks :) [14:27] I don't seem to be part of ubuntu-za according to launchpad... eh? [14:49] Ah... I am a "pending" member https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ... I demand a SHRUBARY! [14:54] nlsthzn: never got email notificationw ill accept later or during the meeting :) [14:56] pad slaan - I'll be back for the meeting [15:01] drubin: thanks :D [15:17] the meeting will be how late tonight btw? [15:18] short i hope [15:18] there is nothing on the agenda [15:18] drubin: lol, time of start? [15:23] 7:30 SAST [15:25] superfly: thanks... had a look on ubuntu-za.org but could not find the info :/ [15:27] nlsthzn: it's usually on the mailing list [15:27] drubin: nothing on the agenda? what agenda are you looking at? ;P [15:28] superfly: yup, that is where I saw it a few days ago (but forgot about it there :p) thx again (still, the site would make sense to have the same info) [15:28] nlsthzn: the one in the email [15:28] and there are stuff i hope [15:29] drubin: lol, suspect that was meant for superfly ;) [15:31] oh oh! meeting tonight. [15:31] * nuvolari pins his earlobe to his laptop [16:21] * tumbleweed waves goodby to tenet [16:29] marcog: there is stuff on the agenda for the meeting [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 [17:17] howdie all [17:18] hello [17:18] hi there [17:19] hi arthurrilke welcome [17:19] thanks [17:24] marcog: you joining right? [17:24] mostly because you added stuff to the agenda [17:24] Maaz: list permissions for drubin [17:24] drubin: What? [17:25] Maaz: help with permissions [17:25] drubin: I use the following features for bot accounts and permissions: accounts and auth [17:25] Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. [17:25] Maaz: how do I use permissions [17:25] drubin: Please be more specific. I don't know if you mean auth or test [17:25] Maaz: how do I use permissions auth [17:25] drubin: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this: [17:25] authenticate [on source] using [] [17:25] auth [17:25] (grant|revoke|remove) (to|from|on) [when authed] [17:25] permissions [for ] [17:25] list permissions [17:25] Maaz: list permissions [17:25] drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, config, core, debug, eval, factoid, factoidadmin, feeds, karma, karmaadmin, nmap, plugins, recvmemo, regex, saydo, sendmemo, sources and summon [17:25] that's not what you want [17:25] Maaz: permissions [17:25] tumbleweed: Permissions: chairmeeting and nmap [17:25] Maaz: Announce meeting in 5mins [17:25] Hear ye, hear ye! meeting in 5mins [17:26] ^ that's what you want [17:26] * nlsthzn lurks [17:26] tumbleweed: I have chairmeeting [17:26] Maaz: permissions [17:26] drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, factoidadmin, karmaadmin, saydo, sources and soures [17:26] tumbleweed oops just saw it wasn't listing my permissions :) [17:28] arthurrilke: Hey did you join to lurk around the meeting? Or did you need any or any thing? [17:28] here for the meeting, was I supposed to sign up somewhere first? [17:29] * kbmonkey sips tea mmmm [17:30] um yeah [17:30] should i sign up [17:31] arthurrilke: No not at all :) just wondering if you needed help with any thing [17:31] drubin: i'm quite alright, but thanks for asking:) [17:31] Ok going to give it another 5mins waiting for people, Also I would like something to drink [17:32] ohi [17:32] * nlsthzn also has a spot of tea [17:33] ohi superfly [17:33] its an irc tea party [17:33] * Banlam prefers coffee [17:34] * maiatoday is eating an almond magnum [17:34] wow, for a short-notice meeting, we sure have a number of folks here [17:34] it is ALL miaia [17:34] and Queery [17:34] I'm jealous maiatoday! :) [17:35] hello all [17:35] hello Queery [17:35] and everybody else of course [17:35] * nlsthzn waves [17:35] our first meeting for 2011 [17:35] hi Queery and nlsthzn [17:36] Maaz: Start meeting [17:36] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:36] Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera [17:36] tumbleweed: Done [17:36] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:36] superfly: Sure [17:36] Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass [17:36] maiatoday: Done [17:36] Hi guys agenda for this meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 [17:36] Maaz: I am David Rubin [17:36] drubin: Sure [17:36] Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen [17:36] nlsthzn: Sure [17:36] Maaz: I am Wesley Werner [17:36] kbmonkey: Okay [17:36] maaz: i am Dewald Noeth [17:36] Queery: Yessir [17:36] maaz: i am Arthur Rilke [17:36] arthurrilke: Done [17:36] So any one that feels like telling us who they are is free to tell the bot just like we did [17:37] Maaz: i am Hendrik van Wyk [17:37] Tonberry: Righto [17:37] maazL I am Gareth Cawood [17:37] fail [17:37] maaz: I am Gareth Cawood [17:37] Banlam: Done [17:37] So basically welcome to any one that hasn't attended an online IRC meeting before [17:37] Maaz: I am Michael Gorven [17:37] cocooncrash: Okay [17:37] (For those using XChat, you can use the TAB key to auto-complete names :)) [17:38] we seem to have lots of new people and some rather old people lurking around so welcome! To the first meeting of the year [17:38] thanx drubin [17:38] Sorry we have been kinda slack about events/meetup/meetings but December is kinda dead time for most people [17:38] marcog: are you around for your agenda points? [17:39] he seems to be away [17:39] either way moving onto point 1: Review previous minutes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213 [17:40] * nlsthzn sees his name on the minutes and is happy :) [17:40] maiatoday: Do you remember if you mailed the list about open office? [17:40] no I didn't [17:40] I remember, I didn't [17:41] Ok it would be nice to do something like that soon since schools are actually struggling with the whole MS not renewing their licenses thing [17:41] Maybe it would be cool if we could find some one on the OO/Libre office team to help us write something up? [17:41] ok let me take that action point again [17:41] * nlsthzn wonders, openoffice or libre office? [17:42] so, I went to a meeting with the western cape school IT support people last month [17:42] they're all pretty afraid of OSS [17:42] tumbleweed: tell us more [17:42] * tumbleweed was there with my supervisor, and we were doing a talk on OSS [17:43] does their curriculum not require the use of ms office? [17:43] Tonberry: yes but that can be changed.... (theoretically) [17:43] his message was "be careful, OSS doesn't guarantee lower TCO" but also that he supports it and uses it [17:43] there were all sorts of concerns and questions, but basically, I don't see much changing [17:43] since MS is no longer free and the goverment requires that they explore FLOSS they can't make it MS specific any more [17:44] oh [17:44] there aren't enough staff, and they loose the good people... [17:44] cool [17:44] i like that [17:44] Tonberry: the problem isn't the technical exams.. it is training the teachers to be able to teach FOSS stuff [17:44] training + supporting it [17:44] drubin: yes, but there's obviously significant motivation to stay with the status quo here [17:44] ok [17:45] ppl fear change :/ [17:45] tumbleweed: true, doesn't mean we shouldn't try [17:45] but it would mean that all the schools have to change and not just some of them? [17:45] Tonberry: Most of the stuff can be done in OO provided they alter the wording/marking sheet SLIGHTLY [17:45] quite simply, switching major packages would require re-training, which iwon't be cheap [17:45] I propose we investigate current LO issues first, I heard there were a couple major stability issues [17:46] but yes, nothing will happen unless someone pushes them [17:46] kbmonkey: stability isn't their major concern as tumbly pointed out it is the proccess/traning/money [17:46] code can be fixed [17:46] and the concern that "this isn't whaht th industry uses" [17:47] so getting them to adopt OSS is the hurdle [17:47] any plan for change will have to be long term [17:47] are schools really concerned about what the industry uses? [17:47] tumbleweed: I guess that is why they are pushing delphi in schools right? [17:47] I think most of the staff knows the old ms office and OOO is very much like it, that might help get them to move over to it [17:47] Banlam: yes, schools in general are very concious of industry [17:47] haha @ delphi [17:47] Banlam: Yes they are "training students to become competent in the work place" [17:47] ok, they never really relayed that to us when i was in school :P [17:47] i thought they were on java these days [17:47] tumbleweed: I think education department more then schools [17:48] Banlam: "trying" doesn't mean they are good at it :( [17:48] tonberry, lots of private/ieb schools are on delphi [17:48] drubin: I took industry more seriously when I was in school than I do now [17:48] poor things [17:48] I don't think us debating this in this channel right now is going to solve stuff though... [17:48] I think some good case studies would be a start [17:49] people pushing their own children's schools to experiment... [17:49] tumbleweed: True but where/who/how do we go about that [17:49] i agree [17:49] Any one have any thing more on this or can we move on? [17:49] no, lets move on [17:50] I am going to move stuff around slightly because my point effects the events for 2011 [17:50] Maaz: Topic Loco-Contact replacement [17:50] Current Topic: Loco-Contact replacement [17:50] So basically over the last few months I have not been doing enough. [17:51] maiatoday has honestly been helping me far far beyond what is required and been the driving force behind ubuntu-za (un officially) [17:52] the problem is over the last 2 or so months maiatoday has had other more important things to be doing so has helped see so, and it started to show how little I am doing for ubuntu-za [17:52] drubin is there a reference somewhere where one can see what a loco contact typically does? [17:52] not that I was ever trying to hide it from any one, It just worked out that I did offical paper work stuffs and maia did an amazing job at events [17:52] what is the official structure of the loco team [17:53] understandable, this is all above and beyond stuff... [17:53] Queery: We don't have one (and I don't think we should) [17:53] the loco contacts are the point of contact between the loco council and us (as I understand it), and that's about it [17:53] if we have a list of things we want to do then maybe we can delegate some tasks which would help [17:53] but the reason I am brining it is, is I have no problem continuing to do what I have been doing for the last almost 3 years BUT I do feel that some one with fresh blood and more motivation can do more for ubuntu-za then I can at the momment [17:53] well then drubin is doing a great job because he is our contact [17:54] tumbleweed: yes, but we ubuntu-za take loco-contact as being the "TeamLeader" and "Driving force" [17:54] pointing out there is a generalized LoCo Howto at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto [17:54] * nlsthzn thinks delegation is the name of the team game [17:54] but it is always a good idea to step away before you fall down dead :) [17:54] because every one ha always asked me "can I do this" which is kinda not the way things should work IMHO [17:54] * tumbleweed would happily serve as a contact, for the paperwork side, but I don't have the time/energy left to be a decent leader / driving force [17:54] maiatoday: Hence brining it up [17:55] tumbleweed: that can work if we can find some one to handle the other side of things [17:55] this kinda the way maiatoday and I did things [17:55] tumbleweed: I am planning to continue to do whatever I dream up to do, but I will have sparser time slots this year [17:55] so whoever becomes the contact will have my support [17:55] so delegating tasks out to more people, making lighter work for everyone [17:56] i am more than willing to halp with organising events [17:56] tumbleweed: And mine. [17:56] Queery: awesome! [17:56] but I just think the offical title needs to be moved on to some one else [17:56] kbmonkey: th problem is one can't delegate to volunteers, somebody has to stand up [17:56] err to unnamed volunteers [17:56] kbmonkey: Deligation does NOT work in this type of setup [17:56] it never has.. [17:56] people need to just do stuff [17:56] :( [17:56] as of this month I have fixed net access, want to help again :) [17:56] we call it a do-ocracy [17:57] that is why I became contact because I kinda wanted to do stuff so did it, then maia came about and did amazingly awesome stuff with stellenbosch and she did stuff [17:57] * nlsthzn finds doing stuff when not knowing what stuff needs done can be... troublesome [17:57] any how I have never really cared for the title thing, I just owe it to ubuntu-za to mention this. [17:57] nlsthzn: there's nothing that needs to be done really [17:58] we just want to do as much as we can :) [17:58] I had planned on writing up the wiki page of stuff I do, but my net access was kinda flaky [17:58] * maiatoday doesn't know what needs to be done either :) [17:58] i think that we need atleast oe rep per region [17:58] cool, at least I am on the same page as you guys then :p [17:58] maiatoday: I think we need more of what you did last year (but by every one around the country) more in person meetings/events [17:58] I agree [17:59] honestly the paper work/team reports/ML is nothing and takes 2mins [17:59] agee [17:59] and it's fun and easy too [17:59] I like that idea [17:59] maiatoday: but requires motivation [17:59] * nlsthzn thinks drubin is fine as the guy with the title [17:59] kbmonkey: You do *not* need to be loco contact to do any of those things [17:59] can we set up a list of things we need/want to do [18:00] the problem I have with finding a new person is that almost all people that want to do it are people that haven't done it before [18:00] Queery: that's a good chuck of what these meetings are about [18:00] chunk [18:00] Okay drubin [18:00] drubin: so are we proposing that maiatoday or tumbleweed become team contact(s)? [18:00] not that experience is the issue the issue is driving motivation [18:00] superfly: I'd like to see somebody newer stand up [18:00] which is why Queery is a good candidate [18:00] ie the "get up and do atitude" [18:00] ubuntu hour and release parties are the main events at the moment [18:01] drubin, I'd like to nominate myself, but also propose we nominate at least two [18:01] kbmonkey, nlsthzn not that I think you wouldn't make a good candidate that isn't what I am saying. [18:01] and i am more than willing [18:01] the Ubuntu wiki mentions "at least one" [18:01] I am saying that having a title changes nothing [18:01] I think it is good if there is more than one person [18:01] however, if having a title gives someone motivation, then awesome :) [18:01] you need to continue to do what you have already been doing [18:02] * nlsthzn is to far away... but will always help if possible, when and where [18:02] will people not feel more obliged to do things with a title? although i agree this isn't the best way to look at i [18:02] maiatoday: per region? [18:02] * drubin is uses the term "we" to be whole ubuntu-za [18:02] s/we/you [18:02] I think team contacts communicating between another often is good motivation [18:03] so we have two nominations? [18:03] (or nominees) [18:03] * superfly has a few other things to do this evening and is hoping the meeting will roll quickly [18:04] i nominate maia and myself for stellenbosch/ct [18:04] * Kerbero nominate queery too :P [18:04] s [18:04] And myself for Durban [18:04] or at least ct [18:04] Banlam: I have been contact since 2009 it is time to get rid of the old people [18:05] we do need single contact for the loco-council though [18:05] that was aimed at me because? [18:05] Banlam: can't remember ;/ oops [18:05] :P [18:05] Banlam: I think I started typing something else [18:05] lets nominate banlam [18:05] maiatoday: for loco-council contact? [18:05] i respectfully decline [18:05] hang on, are we looking for contact or more people to do stuff [18:06] * nlsthzn thinks the wider loco should be included via mailing list maybe? [18:06] I don't have time for the admin role, but I am not intending to stop organising whatever I want to organise :) [18:06] same here [18:06] is local council contact diff than team contact? [18:06] does the loco contact need to be ubuntu member? [18:07] nope [18:07] but must have signed the code of conduct etc [18:07] Sorry should have been more clear this meeting is NOT to decide who to replace me [18:07] but rather how we should go about it [18:07] nlsthzn is completely right we aren't going to pick any one now. [18:08] drubin: oh, nominations and then elections at the next meeting? [18:08] nlsthzn: and should preferably be an ubuntumember OR working towards it [18:08] that should happen on the mailing list [18:08] superfly: IMHO elections are pointless [18:08] we give every one in ubuntu-za (ie the mailing list) a chance to vote and most of them either don't care or they don't have a clue who does stuff around here [18:09] however, I'd like to see some new blood helping to organise things [18:09] instead of elections, lets nominate ourselves, try set up some system, and see how it works [18:09] but you give them the choice [18:10] We do want to give someone who is keen but hesitant a chance to jump in and help too [18:10]