| gnomefreak | i need someone to test g-t sound for me in natty | 00:36 |
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| steve__ | i cannot start ubuntu desktop edition, as it says unity failed, and compiz failed, is there any way i can install the fix for it? Launchpad says the fix has been released | 01:54 |
| yofel | first find out why it failed. Does opengl work fine on your graphics driver? | 01:55 |
| steve__ | it doesn't seem like it does | 01:55 |
| yofel | steve__: what card do you have? | 01:56 |
| steve__ | oh, the proprietary drivers arent activated | 01:56 |
| yofel | WAIT | 01:57 |
| steve__ | thanks for the reality check | 01:57 |
| steve__ | yes? | 01:57 |
| yofel | the nvidia (and ati I think) proprietary drivers don't work currently, trying to install them will remove X | 01:57 |
| steve__ | close one | 01:58 |
| yofel | you either need to downgrade X or wait for working drivers to be released | 01:58 |
| steve__ | okay | 01:59 |
| yofel | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675614 has some info | 01:59 |
| steve__ | i don't believe i have an nvidia card, but it recognizes it as one | 01:59 |
| yofel | you can open a terminal and run 'lspci | grep VGA' that'll tell you what you have | 02:00 |
| steve__ | yeah, it's an nvidia 440mx | 02:01 |
| yofel | does KVM work fine for anyone? Here it seems like the DNS server it sets doesn't work (10.0.2.3), I need to set a different one by hand everytime | 02:07 |
| perscitus | Will Gnome-Shell 3 be option in 11.04? | 02:47 |
| coz_ | perscitus, I dont so | 02:47 |
| coz_ | unless it will be in the repositories | 02:48 |
| perscitus | Unity is junk that shell | 02:48 |
| coz_ | perscitus, you will be far better off with compiz as the base in unity | 02:48 |
| perscitus | Im better of without unity | 02:48 |
| coz_ | perscitus, well you could switch to classic gnome desktop on natty | 02:49 |
| zzing | I have installed 32 bit daily into virtualbox and then installed the additions - the additions seemed to install without error. However, when I start up the vm now gets the first dot on the boot screen and goes to a blank terminal that can echo keyboard but nothing else. Has anyone else heard of this? | 02:49 |
| coz_ | zzing, nvidia? | 02:49 |
| coz_ | ati? | 02:49 |
| zzing | coz_: The host is nvidia (mac), but I don't know about what ubuntu sees as the client | 02:49 |
| coz_ | zzing, if nvidia it may the issue ,,, it is broken right now | 02:50 |
| perscitus | coz_, im not asking for classic. | 02:50 |
| rww | Natty won't have GNOME 3 in the repositories, but will have a PPA for it. GNOME 3 is targetted for natty+1. | 02:51 |
| zzing | coz_: It appears that nvidia will not be exposed to ubuntu | 02:51 |
| zzing | So it is not likely that | 02:52 |
| coz_ | zzing, in then I am not sure | 02:52 |
| coz_ | perscitus, i assume you are using unity 11.04 now ...yes? | 02:52 |
| perscitus | rww, Whats natty=1? | 02:52 |
| rww | perscitus: the release after natty | 02:52 |
| perscitus | I hate Unity. | 02:53 |
| zzing | Does ubuntu have net installs or something so I don't have to download another 600+ mb? | 02:53 |
| coz_ | zzing, I think after the release the will a minimal install cd about 12 megs which installs directly from internet | 02:54 |
| coz_ | "there will be" | 02:54 |
| rww | !hate | 02:54 |
| ubottu | hate is a thing we don't encourage - why waste your energy | 02:54 |
| coz_ | zzing, other previous versions have the minimal install cd now | 02:54 |
| zzing | coz_: I couldn't find those, where do I look? | 02:55 |
| coz_ | zzing, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 02:55 |
| rww | perscitus: Please don't send me PMs about your opinion of Unity. I don't use it, or Ubuntu, and am thus not likely to care. | 02:55 |
| perscitus | I don't like the Unity looks and the way it behaves. And makes using the desktop much much harder | 02:55 |
| zzing | thank you | 02:56 |
| coz_ | zzing, no problem | 02:56 |
| coz_ | perscitus, and you prefer gnome-shell .. yes? I personally prefer calssic gnome desktop,, I only use Unity occasionally to test compiz and report bugs | 02:57 |
| perscitus | coz_, yeah. | 02:57 |
| coz_ | perscitus, well as rww mentioned it will only be avialable via PPA | 02:58 |
| coz_ | for 11.04 | 02:58 |
| perscitus | Gnome 3 does have April release | 02:59 |
| coz_ | perscitus, Unity does have compiz at it's base ,, have you played with ccsm to make more to your liking? | 02:59 |
| coz_ | authide panel for example | 02:59 |
| rww | perscitus: Yup. And even assuming that it doesn't get delayed again, that's way, way too late in the release cycle for Ubuntu 11.04 to use it. | 02:59 |
| perscitus | Unity belongs on netbook release. thats it. Which should be renamed to Ubuntu Mobile | 02:59 |
| coz_ | perscitus, I am not sure I completely disagree with you , however .,,. there it is :) | 03:00 |
| perscitus | Netbook is dead fab | 03:00 |
| rww | especially in a release cycle where testing is already going to be burdened with a new default UI. | 03:00 |
| perscitus | The only good thing about Unity is its good for touchscreens. UNforunately, Ubuntu is for DESKTOPS and not touchscreen | 03:01 |
| coz_ | mm I believe touchscreen is implimented ...yes? | 03:01 |
| perscitus | There is one more reason i hate Unity. I dispised groups of people who break off from main groups when their time is better spent working together. You know, like Beryl and Compiz. And then they rejoined. | 03:04 |
| coz_ | perscitus, well Beryl and compiz were actually the same team | 03:04 |
| coz_ | perscitus, very few of the developers had changed at that point | 03:05 |
| coz_ | perscitus, it was more an internal political problem more than anything | 03:05 |
| perscitus | If all the time spent on Unity could have been applied to Gnome Shell 3, maybe it be ready for Natty in time. | 03:05 |
| coz_ | perscitus, well gnome-shell ,, has been in the past... a resource hog... i have no idea where it stands at this point with that issue however | 03:06 |
| coz_ | mutter has been dropped for compiz | 03:06 |
| coz_ | in 11.04 | 03:06 |
| coz_ | and one of the big reasons is mutters issues | 03:07 |
| perscitus | OSS has allot of 'political' issues. It's why its only 1-2% of the market. | 03:08 |
| coz_ | perscitus, I suggest you play with ccsm settings to set Unity to a more "tolerable" workspace for yourself | 03:08 |
| perscitus | More tolerable ... sorry cant. Launcher cant be moved | 03:09 |
| perscitus | Launcher is in the wrong place | 03:09 |
| coz_ | perscitus, there is an autohide feature for that that stays hidden until you mouse over the upper left corener of the screen ,,, over the ubuntu logo | 03:09 |
| perscitus | Launcher belongs at the bottom. | 03:10 |
| coz_ | perscitus, ccsm - Ubuntu Unity Plugin | 03:10 |
| coz_ | "Hide Launcher" pulldown to "Autohide" | 03:10 |
| perscitus | i dont want autohide. i just want it at the bottom | 03:11 |
| coz_ | perscitus, the other alternative along with autohide is one of the several docks available ,,, I suggest cairo-dock | 03:11 |
| coz_ | and if you choose cairo-dock I would go with the weekly build or compile the bzr developer's version | 03:12 |
| coz_ | there is a bug in valac but we have taken care of the when compiling cairo dock,,, I dont think the bug has been fixed but the dock bypasses that during compile | 03:12 |
| perscitus | The whole thing is mute | 03:14 |
| rww | moot | 03:14 |
| perscitus | Since i spend most my time in Windows 7 | 03:14 |
| coz_ | perscitus, well unless you are willing to re code the launcher in Unity I dont see another solution | 03:14 |
| perscitus | I used to spend all my time in Ubuntu. Now im lucky to spend 5 hours a week in it | 03:15 |
| coz_ | perscitus, if you want to do that you might want to go to #ayatana and speak with a few of the developers | 03:15 |
| perscitus | I once saw great potential in Linux and Ubuntu but year ago, I realized its going no where. | 03:16 |
| coz_ | perscitus, I believe that would be considered lack of vision not accurate forsight | 03:17 |
| coz_ | foresight | 03:17 |
| rww | #ubuntu+1 is for discussion and support of Ubuntu development releases. If you'd like to rant about the state of the Linux desktop, try #ubuntu-offtopic. | 03:17 |
| perscitus | Google is only one who has made any headroom | 03:17 |
| perscitus | And Android 3 kills tablet touchscreen use for Unity. | 03:18 |
| coz_ | perscitus, is there anything that any of us can help you with to move to a more useable Unity desktop? | 03:18 |
| yofel | you do know that gnome isn't the only desktop environment out there? try KDE, xfce or lxde for a change and we are keeping classic gnome for natty too | 03:19 |
| rww | and GNOME 3 will be in Ubuntu 11.10... | 03:19 |
| coz_ | perscitus, yes you might well like the kde net book edition | 03:19 |
| perscitus | kde netbook. yuck. | 03:19 |
| perscitus | thats worse then unity | 03:19 |
| coz_ | I have had a week of grumpy people ... I am out of here | 03:20 |
| cozziemoto | you mean I just had to leave? :) | 03:21 |
| yofel | ^^ | 03:21 |
| rww | lol | 03:21 |
| cozziemoto | oy | 03:21 |
| magn3ts | Does anyone have Natty running successfully in a VBOX VM with 3d? | 06:39 |
| zzing | magn3ts: let me guess it goes to a black terminal on reboot | 06:41 |
| magn3ts | zzing, the latest one, yes. | 06:42 |
| zzing | I just did this same thing only 4 hours ago and ended up with the same | 06:42 |
| zzing | or as I described | 06:42 |
| zzing | I reverted back to the release and 3d worked | 06:42 |
| magn3ts | zzing, release? the alpha? | 06:44 |
| zzing | the stable | 06:44 |
| magn3ts | 10.10? yeah, it works great! | 06:44 |
| magn3ts | even if the alpha, it would blabber about 3d not working, would launch unity + gnome-panel, and then upon resize, unity would go bonkers and not move properly :/ | 06:45 |
| zzing | The daily looks like the ripped the mac off :p | 06:45 |
| magn3ts | I just want to try it. I've tried nightlies of the last several releases, but if it means rebooting and giving up a physical part, its not going to happen. I'lll just sit and keep looking at screenshots | 06:46 |
| zzing | magn3ts: Are you running linux now? | 06:48 |
| magn3ts | 10.10 amd64 is my host, yeah. | 06:48 |
| zzing | ok | 06:48 |
| zzing | My host is mac | 06:48 |
| coz_ | hey guys | 10:13 |
| gnomefreak | hi | 10:13 |
| gnomefreak | i cant find software center | 10:22 |
| gnomefreak | found it | 10:23 |
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| pr0ph3t | hi all | 12:44 |
| zniavre_ | !unity-2D | 12:44 |
| pr0ph3t | is there anyway to deactivate the constant error reporting messages popping-up even if everything seems to be ok? I.e. xchat closed due to error, but it's actually still open | 12:45 |
| yofel | pr0ph3t: maybe you have a xchat crash in /var/crash, it'll pop up until you either report it or delete the .crash file | 13:02 |
| yofel | if you don't want to be prompted for crashes at all disable apport in /etc/default/apport | 13:03 |
| pr0ph3t | yofel, thanks | 13:03 |
| zniavre_ | good afternoon | 13:27 |
| zniavre_ | i got this message >conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs VESA VGA and my desktop is twice 420x360 in clone mode | 13:28 |
| zniavre_ | i can't see any recent bug report about this | 13:29 |
| yofel | that's probably the since we have vesa fb enabled by default now, and the KMS drivers don't seem to like it. Makes plymouth unusable here, I need to test something though before I report a bug myself | 13:37 |
| yofel | s/the// | 13:37 |
| zniavre_ | ok | 13:38 |
| zniavre_ | ho i installed and use startupmanager it solved my worrie :o) | 13:42 |
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| pr0ph3t | I can't update canberra latest from the update manager, you have the same problem? | 15:44 |
| hggdh | anyone hanging on boot after latest updates? | 16:05 |
| guigouz | shouldn't unity be the default environment on 11.04 alpha 2 ? | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | only if the video card is supporting 3d | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | If not, it will default to 2d | 16:55 |
| guigouz | oh, ok | 16:55 |
| guigouz | i'm testing it on virtualbox, that's why. | 16:55 |
| charlie-tca | so you need to have guest additions installed, then you can select the unity desktop at login | 16:57 |
| guigouz | cool, will do that. thanks | 17:00 |
| jml | speaking of unity, what can I do to get a visible CPU usage indicator? | 17:01 |
| Daekdroom | jml, I don't think there is any such indicator in the official repos, but there are so many different indicators in PPAs | 17:07 |
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| proti | morning (UGT) :) | 17:18 |
| proti | After the daily update I got to machines frozen at boot in a really strange way. | 17:20 |
| proti | two* | 17:20 |
| proti | upstart starts normally but does not spawn any tty and does not starts gdm/kdm either. | 17:21 |
| proti | Making the machine usuable. | 17:21 |
| proti | Is there something wrong with upstart scripts ? | 17:23 |
| hggdh | proti: does it finish boot? | 18:25 |
| hggdh | reason is, right now my machine hangs on boot | 18:26 |
| gnomefreak | ok so its been a long time since i used mutter/compiz/beryl/ect... im using unity atm is there a way to make for example my desktop rain or snow or fire or what not? | 18:28 |
| gnomefreak | when i say long time i mean when i first started the beryl team | 18:29 |
| Pici | !ccsm | gnomefreak ( | 18:30 |
| ubottu | gnomefreak (: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu: install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz | 18:30 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: this is unity there isnt really a apperance menu at least not that i can find | 18:31 |
| gnomefreak | not sure if we phased out mutter yet either | 18:31 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: Well, you could always run compizconfig-settings-manager manually after the install. | 18:31 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: thanks. | 18:32 |
| gnomefreak | it ooks like it has been replaced already | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | s/ooks/looks | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | Pici: is one preffered over the other? | 18:34 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: which? | 18:36 |
| gnomefreak | the compizconfig-settings-manager or simple-ccsm | 18:36 |
| gnomefreak | i know it is personal preference but i dont know the difference between them thats why i ask | 18:37 |
| Pici | gnomefreak: Both packages have been available for some time. | 18:39 |
| coz_ | hey guys | 18:39 |
| gnomefreak | hi coz_ | 18:40 |
| coz_ | gnomefreak, hey guy | 18:41 |
| gnomefreak | thanks Pici i will start with simple for now | 18:41 |
| vish | gnomefreak: actually compizconfig-settings-manager is better IMO | 18:42 |
| gnomefreak | The following extra packages will be installed: compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig | 18:42 |
| gnomefreak | simple-ccsm installs both packages | 18:42 |
| vish | simple one has weird options.. | 18:42 |
| gnomefreak | ok i found apperance but visual; effects is not in there, only background font and theme | 19:16 |
| gnomefreak | compizconfig settings is in the menu options though :) | 19:17 |
| Daekdroom | gnomefreak, Effects tab was removed. | 19:21 |
| gnomefreak | ok that sucked. i opened compiz settings dialog and ticked water effect and i lost both gnome panels upper and unity and lost the ability to open/close/use anything else. had to restart gdm | 19:22 |
| gnomefreak | this is a bad thing. my card can handle the load and so can system, so i have to blame it on compiz or the ati drivers | 19:22 |
| gnomefreak | i was really hoping to use ati card without issues but this has happened for a while now. not just compiz settings. and since nvidia-current is broken its not a good idea to use the 9500 card yet | 19:24 |
| Gulfstream | will 11.04 work on a laptop with an Intel Processor (probably intel graphics card?)? | 19:26 |
| gnomefreak | yes should. intel has a bug atm due to the new X api. the link is in the /topic | 19:26 |
| Daekdroom | Unity crashes every time I open ccsm | 19:27 |
| Daekdroom | Which is why I'm on metacity | 19:27 |
| gnomefreak | ok this is strange. to enable desktop cube i have to disable desktop wall and the unity plugin. im scared to disable unity plugin | 19:27 |
| Daekdroom | Desktop cube doesn't look like compatible with unity at all. | 19:27 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: as long as i dont play with it im fine. | 19:27 |
| Daekdroom | Given how unity manages the desktops. | 19:27 |
| gnomefreak | it seems its not and i miss the cibe | 19:28 |
| Daekdroom | I never used the cube | 19:28 |
| gnomefreak | i did back when i was running beryl | 19:28 |
| Gulfstream | so when it says other X applications, does this include X-Moto? | 19:28 |
| gnomefreak | a bunch of years ago | 19:28 |
| gnomefreak | Gulfstream: i guess you mean the PPA? | 19:29 |
| Gulfstream | gnomefreak: no, on the known issues message | 19:29 |
| gnomefreak | Gulfstream: not sure. i am guessing its broken there too but i dont work with or have upload access to X code | 19:29 |
| gnomefreak | Gulfstream: i know just about everything you see there. i havent dug too deep into the problem but seems i may be doing that this week if ati keeps giving me issues | 19:30 |
| gnomefreak | ok good news i dont think it is desktop cube, it seems to be EVERYTHING that is not default that breaks it for me | 19:33 |
| * gnomefreak brb this is bothering the hell out of me | 19:33 | |
| proti | hggdh: No, it hangs. But trying verbose upstart shows upstart starting up correctly. | 19:43 |
| proti | It justs forgets to starts some / all of the services. | 19:44 |
| proti | It tries to start mountall-net and that's it. | 19:44 |
| gnomefreak | it seems that the whole compiz/unity issue is that compiz is crashing. there is a work around though it looks like | 19:48 |
| gnomefreak | since im lost i guess i missed something during the crashes and such | 19:50 |
| coz_ | gnomefreak, did you try compiz on classic gnome to test it? | 19:52 |
| gnomefreak | there is no way to refresh rhythmbox. i have to eject cd than push it back in for it to load again. due to restarting gdm im sure of it | 19:52 |
| gnomefreak | coz_: no but i found out from seb that it is crashing. i am looking for the bug now | 19:53 |
| coz_ | ah ok | 19:53 |
| gnomefreak | i get the feeling its not going to be easy to find | 19:54 |
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| hggdh | proti it hangs at what point (i.e., what are the last messages you see on the console)? | 19:57 |
| hggdh | in my case they stop after fsck starting and signalling the filesystems are clean | 19:57 |
| gnomefreak | coz_: see bug 682550 | 19:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 682550 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz crashes when enabling or disabling a plugin in ccsm" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682550 | 19:57 |
| coz_ | gnomefreak, oh yes I have experienced that as well | 19:58 |
| coz_ | gnomefreak, I generally just compile 0.9.x and run it on natty ,, i dont use the default not for Unity though | 19:58 |
| gnomefreak | it seems that when it charshes i was using gdm restart but if i just restarted display it would keep the options enabled. but i can wait until the fix. at least it is known | 20:01 |
| gnomefreak | brb | 20:01 |
| proti | hggdh: exactly at same point | 20:09 |
| gnomefreak | anyone using mozilla team PPA minefield + unity? | 20:10 |
| proti | Try adding --verbose at the cmdline and it'll be showing what's happening after the fsck. | 20:10 |
| proti | I have 2 machines that I updated today, and both showed the same problem. | 20:12 |
| Stevethepirate | You probably get this a lot; but how stable is Alpha 2? :) | 20:25 |
| hggdh | proti: yes, it _does_ sound like init issues. Do you have multiple filesystems? | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Stevethepirate: depends on how bad you need to be able to use the system daily | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | As long as it is not absolutely needed, it is great | 20:25 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: right now, for example, my machine is dead... | 20:25 |
| Stevethepirate | Well, when it crashes, from the YT vid's I've seen, X crashes a lot. | 20:25 |
| Stevethepirate | This is not a problem, as its a netbook, just need ssh on it rly :) | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Then you just answered your own question | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | it is not stable | 20:25 |
| Stevethepirate | Well. | 20:25 |
| Stevethepirate | I'm not sure if thats just the 3/4 YT vid's I've seen. | 20:25 |
| Stevethepirate | But ok, thank you. | 20:25 |
| gnomefreak | Stevethepirate: X problem are around (see /topic) also unity+compiz are problems, and more | 20:26 |
| hggdh | proti: yes, I had already run with init=/sbin/init --debug (which, I guess, gives you the same thing as --verbose, didn't know about that one). In my case I see upstart stopping after mounted-tmp ended | 20:26 |
| gnomefreak | if you use the PC 1 time a month for about 1 hour each time you should be ok :) | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | only if you pick a time that everything is working, though | 20:26 |
| gnomefreak | netbook uses unity by default doesnt it? | 20:26 |
| Daekdroom | In 10.04 yeah | 20:28 |
| Daekdroom | I mean 10.10 | 20:28 |
| Daekdroom | In 11.04 there is no netbook edition for now | 20:28 |
| * gnomefreak has found alot of bugs in the last week or so that i have been trying to work out but out of something like 20 i still have say 15-17 still to work on | 20:28 | |
| gnomefreak | yay highest CPU% is 5 this is a first for me :) | 20:28 |
| gnomefreak | make that 6 | 20:28 |
| Daekdroom | ubuntu-netbook package seems deprecated | 20:28 |
| gnomefreak | i have browsers open with tabs a cd playing on unity and it switches between X and rhythmbox | 20:29 |
| gnomefreak | ah maybe because unity is default for gnome? | 20:29 |
| Stevethepirate | gnomefreak: I guess that is acceptable; I literally only use non-CLI when I'm bored :) | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | yup, with unity default for Ubuntu, a separate netbook edition is no longer needed | 20:30 |
| Stevethepirate | As long as the release doesn't make the PC rebooot every few hours :) | 20:30 |
| psusi | I liked the global menu in the old netbook edition since all windows were maximized... but I don't like it in Unity for unmaximized windows. I hope they made it only use the global menu for maximized windows. | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | Stevethepirate: shouldn't be a problem, can't really get to the desktop today anyway | 20:31 |
| Stevethepirate | In what regard? | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | broken today | 20:32 |
| Stevethepirate | Ohhh. | 20:32 |
| Stevethepirate | I'm about to do a dist-upgrade, wish me luck :) | 20:32 |
| * psusi likes making a snapshot to revert to before dist-upgrade | 20:39 | |
| Stevethepirate | Hmm,. | 20:39 |
| gnomefreak | assuming that was pretty much the differences between netbook and regular install | 20:39 |
| * gnomefreak still not happy with having an OS icon on the unity bar | 20:39 | |
| Amaranth | psusi: global menu is all windows, not just maximized | 20:40 |
| Amaranth | unity has some heuristic for maximizing windows automatically though | 20:40 |
| Amaranth | If they are created with a certain size, I guess | 20:40 |
| gnomefreak | that makes it way too easy to screw the other system up | 20:40 |
| gnomefreak | it is not beant to be removed same as desktop switcher and a few others | 20:41 |
| gnomefreak | s/beant/meant | 20:41 |
| gnomefreak | well damn i really have been away too long | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | We really tried to switch to lightdm for natty, but it is not far enough along yet. | 20:58 |
| gnomefreak | i really hated the idea that xubuntu changed the login screen and everything else to default instead of keeping the set default | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | huh? That xfce login screen sucks | 20:58 |
| gnomefreak | yes badly | 20:58 |
| gnomefreak | at least used to | 20:58 |
| gnomefreak | didnt we pretty much give up on webkit? | 20:58 |
| gnomefreak | IIRC it was to be the newest and greatest but seems to have fallen short of that that is i thought it did | 20:58 |
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| gnomefreak | afaik the PPA hasnt been updated at all since sometime in maverick dev cycler | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think we have. Webkit is still causing problems, such as trying to install from the 64bit desktop images | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | !info webkit | 21:05 |
| ubottu | Package webkit does not exist in natty | 21:05 |
| charlie-tca | well, kick the 'bot again. As far as I know, the version included in natty is the latest right now. | 21:05 |
| yofel | charlie-tca: well, which one? 'webkit' doesn't exist. libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 does | 21:06 |
| gnomefreak | thats just a library for webkit no? | 21:07 |
| yofel | it is, I'm just trying to guess what he means | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know. I gave up on it | 21:13 |
| gnomefreak | apport adds a whole lot of inof when reporting unity bugs | 21:15 |
| gnomefreak | 1 down a lot more to go. /me lets dog out | 21:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok i thought ctrl+alt+print screen took a screenshot, has this changed or been disabled? | 21:28 |
| proti | hggdh: The upstart start mountall-net and that's it. Last command. | 21:28 |
| proti | I started a new shell in another tty then ran upstart. | 21:29 |
| gnomefreak | well i cant get any key combo to take screenshot | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | printscreen or alt+printscreen | 21:29 |
| hggdh | proti: are you using wireless? | 21:30 |
| proti | hggdh: | 21:30 |
| proti | hggdh: not at all | 21:30 |
| hggdh | dammit | 21:30 |
| proti | This is workstation (Sun U20 and U27). | 21:30 |
| proti | It's just like the upstart wasn't told to start the system. | 21:30 |
| gnomefreak | charlie-tca: niether seem to be working | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | maybe they aren't there yet. It is taking a while to get all the things working in unity | 21:32 |
| gnomefreak | yeah i noticed and expected it | 21:32 |
| hggdh | proti: mount-net deals with remote FSs, it should not block | 21:34 |
| proti | hggdh: it does not. The script finish correctly. | 21:34 |
| hggdh | snf then nothing? | 21:35 |
| proti | Then the upstart sits there and does nothing. | 21:35 |
| proti | correct | 21:35 |
| gnomefreak | charlie-tca: gnome-screenshot -d # works :) | 21:35 |
| hggdh | proti: home many FSs you have? | 21:35 |
| hggdh | s/home/how/ | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | not assigned to the shortcut yet, maybe | 21:35 |
| proti | hggdh: 4-5 ext2 boot / /usr /home /var and some others. But nothing complicated | 21:36 |
| gnomefreak | there 2 unity bugs reported i think i get a break now | 21:36 |
| hggdh | proti I have more -- /, /boot, /usr, /var, /tmp, /srv, /opt, /src | 21:37 |
| hggdh | proti: I wonder if this is hitting us because of multiple FSs | 21:37 |
| hggdh | I do not think anybody else experienced it | 21:38 |
| proti | hggdh: IHMO I don't think the fs(s) are the problem. The system got past the mounting and upstart starts some scripts. | 21:38 |
| proti | but udev is not started, neither X, neither the ttys. | 21:38 |
| * gnomefreak wonders what else i *have* to get done today | 21:38 | |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: did you update & reboot your natty today? | 21:39 |
| hggdh | proti: X is later on the boot | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | no, you said it was not a good idea | 21:40 |
| hggdh | yes, better safe | 21:40 |
| proti | hggdh: The udevs waits for virtual-filesystems which is provided by mountall. | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | Want me to try it? | 21:40 |
| proti | yes, I would like to see at least tty(x).conf be run. | 21:41 |
| hggdh | udev is probably the issue | 21:41 |
| proti | tty1.conf does not relies on anything but the runlevel. | 21:41 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: only if you accept not being able to reboot | 21:41 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I prefer being able to use the system | 21:41 |
| hggdh | :-) | 21:41 |
| hggdh | so please do not do it | 21:42 |
| proti | hggdh: hum, I'm not really convinced that udev is the culprit. mountall maybe. How do I check the emits is done in the upstart ? | 21:42 |
| gnomefreak | what is wrong with rebooting? i did it earlier | 21:43 |
| hggdh | gnomefreak: after applying all updates to natty? | 21:44 |
| hggdh | proti: AFAIK you would have to have a serial console (or something like it) so that you do no lose the boot messages | 21:45 |
| hggdh | then you boot with --verbose or init=/sbin/init --debug | 21:45 |
| hggdh | and follow the undescriptive messages init emits | 21:45 |
| gnomefreak | hggdh: all except the last 5 or so | 21:50 |
| * gnomefreak hasnt been paying attention but what bug do i need to look for | 21:50 | |
| gnomefreak | hmmmm "find files isnt opening anything :( | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | " | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | ubuntu icon -> find files | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | seems that is the only one in that dialog that fails. | 21:50 |
| * gnomefreak needs to stop finding bugs for today | 21:50 | |
| hggdh | gnomefreak: do you use multiple filesystems, or just one? | 21:51 |
| yofel | I'm just installing last updates, but with the updates from ~8h ago my eeePC booted fine just now, root and home seperate on LVM | 21:52 |
| gnomefreak | hggdh: just one. im assuming the update that broke your system was one that required a restart? | 21:54 |
| gnomefreak | i have the most basic install possible | 21:54 |
| hggdh | gnomefreak: actually, I decided to reboot just because there where a lot of updates (including X); I decided to play safe (or, now, rather unsafe) | 21:55 |
| proti | hggdh: No, my problem is there is far too much messages. Those machines are workstations not servers with serials console. | 21:56 |
| hggdh | proti: yes, I know. Same issue here... | 21:56 |
| gnomefreak | i only saw a hand ful of X updates today and all but 1 i restarted after. i just had 1 come through not too long ago but i dont see that being the problem you are seeing | 21:56 |
| gnomefreak | these were the last ones since restart: binfmt-support libdbusmenu-glib3 libdbusmenu-gtk3 libdconf0 libutouch-frame1 x11-apps | 21:57 |
| hggdh | none of them sound as possible culprits. I *think* this may be related to multiple FSs, but it may be just by chance | 21:58 |
| yofel | with all updates from the german mirror my eeePC boots fine | 21:58 |
| hggdh | proti: last update to mountall was on Feb 9th, I doubt this would have impacted only now | 21:59 |
| proti | The problems occured today, but I last rebooted the machine 2-3 days ago. | 22:02 |
| proti | Between the 2.6.37-4 kernel and today. | 22:02 |
| proti | I'm now on my home machine (a workstation too). It does not shows the behavior of the 2 formers machines. | 22:03 |
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| proti | hggdh: do you have a preference where to paste the list of packages ? | 22:10 |
| proti | hggdh: http://pastebin.com/jaJCeuAC | 22:10 |
| proti | This is the list of the packages installed today (the boot was ok today). | 22:10 |
| proti | I think if I reboot the machine now it'll be a problem. | 22:10 |
| proti | nothing really talking to me when looking at the list. | 22:10 |
| proti | maybe libc-bin 2.13-0ubuntu1 ureadahead | 22:10 |
| hggdh | indeed | 22:18 |
| hggdh | these two sound like possible candidates | 22:20 |
| proti | hggdh: Keep the list, my home workstation does not boot anymore. | 22:38 |
| proti | hggdh: All my machines have a point in common. | 22:41 |
| proti | 1 partition /boot, the rest is LVM. | 22:41 |
| hggdh | proti: and multiple FSs under LVM, correct? I still think this has something to do, this is the common point (I do not have LVM) | 22:42 |
| proti | Indeed. | 22:43 |
| hggdh | dammit | 22:43 |
| hggdh | OK, I will open a bug on this | 22:43 |
| proti | However, all the problems happens after the disk mount. | 22:43 |
| hggdh | now, against what... I am not sure. I think I will start with the kernel | 22:43 |
| hggdh | yeah, I agree | 22:44 |
| hggdh | or, better stating nothing happens after mountall is triggered | 22:44 |
| proti | I think the kernel has nothing to do with it. | 22:44 |
| hggdh | I agree, but I do not know what to set as package | 22:45 |
| proti | The problem happens with 2.6.37-x and 2.6.38-[1234] | 22:45 |
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| hggdh | oh | 22:46 |
| proti | The initrd of 2.3.37-x is old. | 22:46 |
| hggdh | *that* I did not know | 22:46 |
| hggdh | then... the plot thickens | 22:46 |
| hggdh | oh | 22:46 |
| hggdh | (again) | 22:46 |
| proti | Focus on the list I gave you. The culprit is inside. | 22:47 |
| hggdh | actually, no, it does not. the kernel may be old, but one of the updated packages may be causing it | 22:47 |
| hggdh | yes | 22:47 |
| proti | There are some obvious package not guilty. | 22:48 |
| proti | gnupg gpgv gcalctool libx11 and so on... | 22:49 |
| hggdh | yes indeed, I think libc6 and ureadahead are good chances | 22:49 |
| proti | I don't know enough of upstart unfortunately. | 22:50 |
| hggdh | upstart has not been changed since end of first week this month, so I would not count it in | 22:51 |
| proti | But smth around upstart. start udev works ok. start kdm does the correct thing. | 22:52 |
| proti | Something is wrong in the chain of actions. | 22:52 |
| hggdh | how did you open a new console that early in the boot? | 22:53 |
| proti | boot with break=bottom, then mount -o move all of the fs. | 22:53 |
| hggdh | duh | 22:54 |
| proti | Then chroot and run getty -8 -l -n /bin/bash tty2 | 22:54 |
| proti | and then exit twice. | 22:54 |
| proti | fs = /proc /sys /dev and so on. | 22:55 |
| proti | Added --verbose too, I used this excellent page here : http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging | 22:56 |
| proti | Then I wished I knew which target to use for the network multiuser booting. | 22:57 |
| proti | hggdh: maybe python or pam. | 23:04 |
| proti | and espeak | 23:04 |
| Andre_Gondim | natty will be use gnome 3 or 2.32.x | 23:05 |
| Amaranth | 2.32.x | 23:05 |
| Andre_Gondim | thanks | 23:05 |
| rww | mayhaps we need a !gnome3 factoid | 23:05 |
| hggdh | proti: interesting. on the second term I re-executed mountall | 23:08 |
| hggdh | all FSs are now mounted | 23:08 |
| proti | Then ? | 23:09 |
| proti | Me too everything is mount ok and the command finish ok. | 23:10 |
| proti | but then nothing. | 23:10 |
| proti | It should if I read correctly emits virtual-filesystems which should start udev and so on. | 23:11 |
| proti | Instead it's like a sitting duck, idling. | 23:11 |
| hggdh | no, mine completed boot | 23:15 |
| proti | hggdh: I can open a bug -have a launchpad account. But I don't know how to file the bug. | 23:16 |
| hggdh | proti: actually I (on tty2) (1) after mounting the FSs '/sbin/initctl stop mountall; (2) /sbin/initctl start mountall | 23:16 |
| hggdh | proti: if you succeeed booting, you can run 'sudo ubuntu-bug upstart' | 23:17 |
| hggdh | not sure sudo is neede, but just in case... | 23:17 |
| hggdh | or, perhaps, mountall as the package | 23:18 |
| proti | hggdh: does the boot goes on (udev, network, tty...) ? | 23:18 |
| hggdh | it does, but I just found not all is OK | 23:19 |
| hggdh | I cannot mount my encrypted home | 23:19 |
| proti | Hum, I didn't check upon this one. | 23:19 |
| jibel_ | hggdh, in your case it might be a race with mountall, I had a very similar issue some time ago with multiple fs on different disks. | 23:20 |
| jibel_ | hggdh, I added a "sleep .1" before exec mountall in /etc/init/mountall.conf and that fixed it | 23:20 |
| jibel_ | hggdh, I filed bug 712811 | 23:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 712811 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall fails with "mountall: fsck /home [369] terminated with status 8"/ Non-existent device - Possible race ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712811 | 23:21 |
| hggdh | jibel_: hum, I will try it | 23:21 |
| jibel_ | upstart/mountall are very racy | 23:21 |
| proti | I started tty1 ok. | 23:26 |
| proti | /sbin/initctl start tty1 and got the prompt. | 23:27 |
| proti | start mountall did nothing but starting mountall. | 23:27 |
| proti | network is down. | 23:27 |
| proti | How do I know which jobs upstartd did start and which is blocked by smthg? | 23:28 |
| yofel | initctl list - that will dump the state of all known services | 23:32 |
| proti | yofel: thanks | 23:32 |
| yofel | although one-shot services like mountall will show as stopped after they finished | 23:32 |
| proti | I have upstart-udev-bridge plytmounth mountall (pid) ureadahead | 23:34 |
| proti | running | 23:35 |
| proti | tty1 and tty2 | 23:35 |
| proti | I forced them all start | 23:35 |
| proti | (dbus too). | 23:35 |
| hggdh | gpt X! | 23:35 |
| hggdh | proti | 23:35 |
| proti | gpt ??? | 23:35 |
| hggdh | (1) reboot with init=/bin/bash (or /bin/sh) | 23:36 |
| hggdh | (2) just in case -- open two gettyś for tty2 and 3 | 23:36 |
| hggdh | (3) on tty1 -- init -v -- this tty will be locked | 23:37 |
| hggdh | (4) on tty2 -- mount -a | 23:37 |
| hggdh | (5) on tty2 -- initctl stop mountall | 23:37 |
| hggdh | (6) on tty2 -- initctl start mountall | 23:37 |
| proti | ok will do | 23:37 |
| proti | rebooting now. | 23:38 |
| hggdh | proti, you might wat to add a delay as jibel_ pointed out, I did | 23:38 |
| hggdh | bloody hell, still no mounted /home/myself | 23:39 |
| proti | 1 and 2 ok | 23:40 |
| proti | hggdh: runlevel = 6 for init -v ? | 23:41 |
| proti | which one is now for multiusers text ? | 23:41 |
| hggdh | any from 2 to 6, IIRC | 23:42 |
| hggdh | oh text, no, text you pass a kernel parm on boot -- text | 23:43 |
| proti | 3 is ko (failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: connection refused). | 23:44 |
| proti | I think I nedd to exec /sbin/init from thell. | 23:45 |
| proti | shell* | 23:45 |
| proti | Forgot the -v. | 23:47 |
| proti | Only 2 services started | 23:47 |
| proti | plymouth and mountall | 23:47 |
| proti | with process | 23:47 |
| proti | I saw a ureadhead quit with status 5. | 23:48 |
| proti | hggdh: command (3) on tty2 hangs. | 23:50 |
| proti | hggdh: sorry I meant command (5). | 23:50 |
| hggdh | hum | 23:50 |
| hggdh | different behaviour | 23:50 |
| proti | wrong assertion | 23:50 |
| proti | The mountall command was stuck. | 23:51 |
| proti | command (6) is stuck | 23:51 |
| hggdh | weird | 23:51 |
| hggdh | trying again here | 23:52 |
| proti | How can I tell the upstart daemon to go verbose ? | 23:52 |
| proti | especially after having started it. | 23:52 |
| hggdh | I do not think you can | 23:53 |
| proti | too bad | 23:53 |
| proti | mountall is listed as process 457 but mountall daemon is 459. | 23:54 |
| hggdh | hum. my initctl stop mountall is also stuck | 23:55 |
| proti | welcome aboard | 23:55 |
| proti | running processes : | 23:56 |
| proti | /sbin/init, 2 /bin/bash one on each tty | 23:56 |
| proti | plymouthd and mountall --daemon | 23:56 |
| proti | Kill -15 did not terminated the mountall --daemon | 23:57 |
| proti | I had to kill -9 it. | 23:57 |
| hggdh | same here | 23:58 |
| hggdh | IDK | 23:58 |
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