[12:46] <Pendulum> anyone on twitter who wants to RT http://twitter.com/#!/colona13/status/40020405666189312 it would be greatly appreciated :)
[12:56] <AlanBell> I can't make the meeting
[12:56] <Pendulum> AlanBell: aww
[12:56] <Pendulum> AlanBell: if it's asked, are you willing to look at sponsorship apps?
[12:57] <AlanBell> yes, I am
[12:57] <Pendulum> great :)
[12:57] <Pendulum> (I know jono was thinking that having some of the same stuff in place as Ubuntu Women would be useful)
[12:58] <AlanBell> did both fields get boosted to 3000 characters?
[12:58] <Pendulum> dunno
[12:58] <Pendulum> I'll ask
[12:59]  * AlanBell just did
[15:00] <AlanBell> < jcastro> AlanBell: just the text area
[15:01] <AlanBell> so is that enough for the other information/special requirements area for people with more complicated accessibility needs?
[15:02] <AlanBell> worth asking in the meeting
[15:02] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:03] <Pendulum> although IME the best thing to do is to e-mail once you've got sponsorship
[15:03] <Pendulum> (which is something I'm going to bring up because people don't think about it)
[19:21] <Pendulum> reminder that we've got a UDS-related meeting in 40 minutes!
[19:22] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: ^^
[19:23] <charlie-tca> okay, thanks. that's here, right?
[19:23] <Pendulum> yes :)
[19:24]  * charlie-tca mumbles something about not being disabled 
[19:25] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: I use British disability/impairment terms ;)
[19:26] <Pendulum> British is that you have an impairment and are disabled by society/architecture (so are a 'disabled person')
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe that does apply then. 
[19:26] <Pendulum> part of the problem with being an international group 
[19:27] <Pendulum> because disability-related wording is not the same everywhere
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I think more of myself as sometimes challenged
[19:27] <Pendulum> ah
[19:27] <Pendulum> I'm either a person with a disability (American) or disabled person (British)
[19:27] <Pendulum> oh, and sometimes refer to myself as a crip or a raspberry
[19:28] <Pendulum> raspberry is from cockney rhyming slang
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I am only disabled part time, sometimes things do work, even it they are not fully functional
[19:29] <Pendulum> the only word that really makes me cringe is handicappec
[19:29] <Pendulum> *handicapped
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's the one I try to avoid
[19:30] <Pendulum> well and "wheelchair bound" or "confined to a wheelchair"
[19:30] <charlie-tca> my sister is now 100% disabled, as ruled by social secuity, due to pain
[19:30] <Pendulum> and don't get me started on r*tarded
[19:30] <Pendulum> *nods*
[19:31] <JanC> in Belgium the recommended word now translates to something like "differently abled"  ;)
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I like that better
[19:32] <Pendulum> I don't like differently abled, but that's just me
[19:32] <Pendulum> it doesn't make me cringe
[19:32] <charlie-tca> It says "not necessarily disabled" 
[19:32] <Pendulum> it just strikes me as beating around the bush
[19:33] <Pendulum> well that's why I am willing to say that I have an impairment
[19:33] <Pendulum> I'm disabled by the fact that the world is made with stairs
[19:34] <Pendulum> and because some people assume I'm not as capable for most jobs because I use a wheelchair
[19:34] <Pendulum> but ultimately, I don't fuss too much in wording
[19:34] <Pendulum> because you're always going to get it wrong with someone
[19:34] <charlie-tca> ah, yes. That is disabled, unfortunately. I can still navigate them, even though it is with great difficulty some days
[19:35] <Pendulum> tbh, I can manage stairs if I have to, but having to tends to cause situations like I'm in right now where I'm double dosing on pain meds and barely able to walk
[19:39] <charlie-tca> that's not okay. I have been letting some stuff go lately, because it hurts too much to do them. Maybe I have to rethink my own definitions soon
[19:46] <UndiFineD> morning
[19:46]  * UndiFineD feels sleepy
[19:49] <Pendulum> hiya UndiFineD, hajour :)
[19:49] <charlie-tca> UndiFineD, hajour : Hello
[19:50] <Pendulum> hiya joanie :)
[19:50] <joanie> hey Pendulum :-)
[19:51] <Pendulum> joanie: did you get my e-mail last week about the Orca logo?
[19:52] <joanie> pendulum oh crap. I did. and I started looking and then someone pinged me and I got distracted and forgot
[19:52] <joanie> I suck
[19:52] <Pendulum> joanie: s'ok. you haven't held anything up, was just curious
[19:53] <Pendulum> :)
[19:53] <joanie> to be honest, my *assumption* is that there is no problem
[19:53] <joanie> that logo got created as part of a 'use tango' campaign
[19:53] <Pendulum> ah
[19:53] <joanie> some designer showed up and said "we're redoing your logo"
[19:53] <joanie> we gave feedback
[19:53] <joanie> and we got the result
[19:53] <joanie> and we like it
[19:54] <Pendulum> it's a great logo :)
[19:54] <hajour> hai all
[19:54] <joanie> anyhoo, my point is that I have a hard time believing that we'd accept it if it had a bogus (read closed) license
[19:54] <joanie> :-)
[19:54] <Pendulum> yeah
[19:54] <hajour> sorry i had something to do first
[19:54] <joanie> so as far as I'm concerned, you should feel free to use it
[19:55] <joanie> if we need to do an actual confirmation that the license is open and/or what specifically it is, I still need to do that (obviously)
[19:55] <Pendulum> joanie: I'm more concerned about the fact that I can't release the code in the app if I release the app (so making sure that part of it is okay to use it)
[19:55] <Pendulum> but it wouldn't be anything for profit
[19:55] <hajour> we go upstream but without wintermute. we will work together if they want but we go not be a cooperating
[19:55] <joanie> Pendulum: understood I'll look
[19:55] <hajour> sorry for interrupting Pendulum 
[19:56] <Pendulum> hajour: it's fine. can you and I talk after the UDS meeting because I want to make sure stuff is all okay?
[19:57] <TheMuso> Yo folks.
[19:57] <jono> alright!
[19:57] <jono> nearly ready :-)
[19:57] <Pendulum> TheMuso: thank you for getting up so early!
[19:58] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Its fine, I am usually up at this time.
[19:59] <hajour> yes ok Pendulum 
[19:59] <hajour> sorry i had much to organise because the upstream thing
[19:59] <Pendulum> hajour: not a problem.
[20:00] <Pendulum> jono: do you want me to run the bot?
[20:00] <jono> ok, are all ready?
[20:00] <jono> Pendulum, sure :-)
[20:00] <Pendulum> #startmeeting
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[20:01] <jono> ok, so this meeting was requested by Pendulum
[20:01] <jono> recently we have been running a diversity programme with the Ubuntu Women
[20:01] <jono> team
[20:01] <jono> Pendulum was asking if we could do something similar for a11y
[20:01] <jono> I think it is a great idea
[20:02] <jono> I think we should ensure UDS is a fully accessible environment
[20:02] <jono> what I am seeking advice on is what we can do to make it more accessible
[20:03] <jono> thoughts?
[20:03] <maco> you've already heard my request for better labeling of foods for those with dietary restrictions
[20:03] <Pendulum> I think one thing is making sure people know where/how to get information regarding access issues
[20:04] <jono> maco, yep
[20:04] <Pendulum> I've known several people who've mentioned needs in their "extra information" section on the Sponsorship app, but from what I can tell the way to ensure that actually gets looked at is to talk to Marianne
[20:04] <TheMuso> I also think we need to make sure people who have access issues are included in end-of-day activities, i.e I have heard reports of Nicolas Pittr from Linaro sometimes being left in his room at the end of the day, and people not making sure he participates in something.
[20:04] <jono> right, so let me note some of these things down
[20:05] <Pendulum> yeah. The only reason I've managed a bunch of the off-site activities is because I can get out of my chair and crawl up some bus steps
[20:05] <TheMuso> Such reports are not confirmed, but it does concern me.
[20:05] <Pendulum> (this includes an Ubuntu Women dinner)
[20:05] <jono>  * making sure food allergies are properly catered for (pun intended) :-)
[20:06] <jono>  * ensuring accessibility features in the venue are included in the information on the website and handouts.
[20:06] <Pendulum> also, from a physical access side, and this is something I'm happy to talk to Marianne or someone else who does some of the planning about questions to ask. Since as we found out last UDS you often get issues like "accessible rooms only have one bed" and we only found out before checking in because I knew to ask
[20:06] <jono> for the end of day activities, I am less clear on
[20:06] <Pendulum> jono: things like the off-site transportation, I think
[20:07] <jono> TheMuso, is the issue that Nicolas was unable to participate or no one invited him?
[20:07] <maco> Pendulum: buses should have lifts, right?
[20:07] <Pendulum> lifts if possible
[20:07] <TheMuso> jono: The issue is that he was essentially dumped, or fogotten.
[20:07] <TheMuso> forgotten
[20:08] <TheMuso> i.e nobody though to check in and make sure he was included in dinner plans etc.
[20:08] <jono> TheMuso, so the issue is that someone did not specifically invite him to participate?
[20:08] <TheMuso> gah typing sucks this morning.
[20:08] <pleia2> some folks from the Hungarian LoCo have offered to put together some night tourism events, so we should make sure they (and other 3rd parties planning events) are kept in the accessibility loop
[20:08] <jono> TheMuso, I am trying to understand if it was a venue access issue or that he was not invited to take part
[20:08] <pleia2> (I can do that for ubuntu-hu, just tell me what I need to tell them :))
[20:08] <TheMuso> jono: It was not a venue access issue, it was that he was not invited to take part.
[20:09] <jono> TheMuso, right, that is what I thought you mean't
[20:09] <jono> (this is actually an issue for non-impaired people too - some folks who are new or shy don't get invited or end up sitting in their rooms)
[20:09] <jono> so this is an issue I think we should fix in a non-specific-to-a11y way
[20:09] <pleia2> jono: +1
[20:10] <charlie-tca> For those with disabilities, it becomes an issue as to whether or not to try and join in, knowing the entire will be slowed down.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> It is different if the group says, "come on, we have time for you to be with us"
[20:10] <maco> jono: i think TheMuso means people'd think "oh, how about nicolas...oh, he couldnt get where we're going anyway...nevermind" instead of "nicolas wouldnt be able to get htere, so lets come up with a new plan"
[20:11] <jono> maco, then that is a venue issue
[20:11] <jono> if nicolas could not participate because of the environment, that is one thing, but he could participate in an environment accessible to his needs, we need to focus on making folks feel more connected
[20:11] <maco> or at least aware that coming up with alternative plans is the polite & considerate thing to do
[20:12] <jono> so for the venue element - I think we can leave this to Marianna to ensure we have accessible events
[20:12] <UndiFineD> :)
[20:12] <jono> maco, agreed, but I am not aware of any UDS events that include the full group other than the Friday night, which is always accessible
[20:12] <Pendulum> jono: do make sure she knows to feel free to ask me if she's unsure about something :)
[20:12] <jono> it sounds like TheMuso is referring to just a group of people deciding to get together
[20:13] <TheMuso> Right.
[20:13] <Pendulum> jono: but you do get a lot of team dinners which rely on the Canonical-provided transportation which is often *not* accessible
[20:13] <jono> and we can't mandate how everyone spends their evenings
[20:13] <jono> Pendulum, right, accessible transportation is key
[20:13] <jono> I am noting that down
[20:13] <pleia2> jono: as far as making it non-specific to a11y, is there a formal way that groups who want to do events (ubuntu women dinner, ubuntu-hu night tourism) can get them set up and announced if they want wider participation than just the few people then directly invite?
[20:13] <Pendulum> pleia2: +1
[20:14] <pleia2> I know czajkowski has done such events, I think she said she contacted Marianna directly to get it arranged, but that isn't widely known :)
[20:14] <jono> pleia2, we currently don't have a process - usually people talk to Marianna and before the post lunch plenaries kick off I go to Marianna and she gives me a list of announcements
[20:14] <jono> I think we can formalize this process
[20:14] <jono> and get it on uds.ubuntu.com
[20:14] <pleia2> that'd be great
[20:15] <jono> noted :-)
[20:24] <jono> the tough nut to crack is people's own evening arrangements
[20:24] <jono> as in, a non-formal event, just a bunch of people getting together - we can't really mandate accessibility on those folks
[20:24] <jono> we can though, encourage it
[20:24] <jono> formal events...they are differet
[20:24] <jono> different
[20:24] <Pendulum> jono: is it possible to put something on uds.ubuntu.com about how to address accessibility concerns? Because I doubt most people know "e-mail Marianna who is the queen of everything UDS related" ;-)
[20:24] <Pendulum> jono: also, with regards to the friday night party, can we please not repeat the lighting from last UDS's party? I was one of several people who ended up with headaches/had trouble with it
[20:24] <jono> Pendulum, my plan is to formalize the process of how people participate
[20:24] <jono> and organize evening events
[20:24] <jono> and put this on uds.ubuntu.com
[20:24] <jono> Pendulum, re. the lighting, you should talk to Marianna about that
[20:25] <Pendulum> jono: yeah, I was thinking more in germs of general things like "who do I contact if I need to make sure I have an accessible room."
[20:25] <jono> I have nothing to do with the Friday night party, other than bouncing around on a stage playing bass :-)
[20:25] <Pendulum> heh
[20:25] <jono> Pendulum, that is Marianna :-)
[20:25] <Pendulum> jono: I know that. But someone else might not
[20:25] <jono> Pendulum, right, we can highlight this on uds.ubuntu.com - good feedback
[20:25] <jono> I have some awesome notes, thanks for the feedback so far, folks
[20:25] <Pendulum> also, this hasn't come up yes as far as I know, but has a discussion ever been had about what would happen if someone who was deaf wanted to attend?
[20:25] <jono> unfortunately a lot of this stuff is out of my hands as I don't deal with the venue, but I can certainly pass the feedback on and follow up
[20:25] <jono> Pendulum, nope, there has been no discussion of that
[20:25] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Good query, this is made difficult since I think even different English speaking countries have different sign language.
[20:25] <Pendulum> They automatically can't attend remotely, but I'm not sure about what could be done in person
[20:25] <TheMuso> languages
[20:25] <hajour> if i succeed to go (finances ) i cant cut my own meet
[20:25] <jono> I am not sure how that could work, the environment is heavily dependent on aural discussion
[20:25] <jono> I guess we could get sign language folks in
[20:25] <hajour> because my left hand id part nothing feel and  almost no power in it
[20:25] <hajour> i need help with that kind of things
[20:25] <hajour> and i think there are more who have that kind of things
[20:25] <Pendulum> which is why I want to bring it up now so that someone (even if it's just me) is thinking about it before it becomes an immediate issue
[20:25] <hajour> what kind of light was that Pendulum ?
[20:25] <maco> hajour: fairly dark, lots of neons, some flashing
[20:25] <maco> TheMuso: yep
[20:25] <hajour> o i cant go then to something like that
[20:25] <hajour> i have epilepsy
[20:25] <jono> I suspect if we knew that some deaf people were attending we would arrange signers
[20:25] <maco> TheMuso: apparently canada uses ASL just like the US, and AUNZSL and BSL are similar to each other, but those two sets are *miles* apart
[20:25] <hajour> there is a basic sign language
[20:25] <jono> Pendulum, I think that is one of those "we will react to that scenario if it occurs"
[20:25] <TheMuso> maco: Then there is Auslan for Australia.
[20:25] <jono> and accommodate it as best
[20:25] <TheMuso> So far as I know at least.
[20:25] <Pendulum> *nods*
[20:25] <hajour> i discovered it with research
[20:25] <maco> TheMuso: thats what i was mashing together with AUNZSL ;-)  Auslan and NZSL are very similar derivatives of BSL
[20:25] <TheMuso> Right.
[20:25] <Pendulum> anyway, we've made the point about the many different types of sign language, I think now :)
[20:25] <jono> any other suggestions?
[20:25] <jono> let's recap:
[20:25] <jono>  * making sure food allergies are properly catered for (pun intended) :-)
[20:25] <jono>  * ensuring accessibility features in the venue are included in the information on the website and handouts.
[20:25] <jono>  * we need to figure out how to ensure people who are new or shy don't get left out of evening activities.
[20:25] <jono>  * ensure transportation is accessible.
[20:25] <jono>  * formalize how people organize evening events at UDS and put this process on uds.ubuntu.com
[20:25] <jono>  * highlight on uds.ubuntu.com about how people get in touch with Marianna (e.g. for room related queries).
[20:25] <jono> :-)
[20:25] <UndiFineD> bed height
[20:26] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: that's a Marianna thing.
[20:26] <JanC> an example about accessibility for after hours events: I remember at UDS-near-Brussels the free bus in the evening dropped us off near a metro station that was not accessible for people in wheelchairs so Pendulum had to shuffle down the stairs sitting...
[20:26] <hajour> i don't no who maranna is
[20:26] <Pendulum> JanC: that was after I'd crawled up the stairs onto the bus which didn't have a list :P
[20:26] <maco> hajour: marianna organises uds
[20:26] <jono> JanC, yeah, I think the transportation element needs a rethink
[20:26] <jono> I think before Marianna has just booked busses
[20:26] <jono> but now we need to be clearer in the requirements
[20:26] <Pendulum> jono: I know in the US she can definitely request a buses with a lift. I don't know about Europe
[20:26] <jono> Pendulum, yeah, I am not sure ofthe logistics
[20:26] <jono> that is one for her TODO list :-)
[20:26] <Pendulum> (tbh, I'm assuming transportation will be less of an issue in Budapest because the hotel is center city)
[20:26] <hajour> it depends which country it is Pendulum 
[20:26] <Pendulum> jono: feel free to send her my way if I can help at all
[20:26] <hajour> for the bus 
[20:26] <hajour> formal east block country s have often not accessible buses
[20:26] <Pendulum> so those are all the general informational things that are likely to make people more comfortable at UDS, right?
[20:26] <jono> Pendulum, yeah, I think it could be cool if she liaises with you
[20:26] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yeah.
[20:26] <Pendulum> joanie: as someone who goes to a lot of conferences, do you have anything to add?
[20:26]  * joanie wonders what the smoking laws are in Hungary.
[20:26] <Pendulum> (for those of you who don't know her, joanie is a Gnome-A11y person :) )
[20:26] <joanie> I think you've covered the basics.
[20:26] <joanie> Personally I am severely asthmatic
[20:26] <joanie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans#Hungary
[20:27] <joanie> hey all
[20:27] <TheMuso> joanie: Hey there.
[20:28] <joanie> hey TheMuso :-) 
[20:28] <joanie> anyhoo
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Hello, joanie 
[20:28] <joanie> aside from my personal asthmatic situation
[20:28] <joanie> I'd offer one thing which is probably a non-issue in a tech event like UDS
[20:28] <joanie> but the issue is this:
[20:28] <JanC> so, bars & restaurants are only voluntarily smoke-free
[20:28] <joanie> if there are printed materials for any session or event
[20:28] <joanie> they also need to be made available in electronic format
[20:28] <joanie> and ideally with sufficient lead time as to be review(able) before the event
[20:28] <joanie> i.e. for persons who are blind or visually impaired
[20:28] <pleia2> Pendulum: if event-planners could get a list of considerations for their events it would be awesome (accessible? veggie/vegan options? smoking?)
[20:28] <maco> pleia2: gluten-free option
[20:28] <joanie> and I'll give a +1 to the 'provide ingredients list' suggestion
[20:28] <pleia2> and link this checklist on the uds.ubuntu.com for event planning jono is creating
[20:28] <joanie> being a vegetarian allergic to shrooms ;-)
[20:29] <Pendulum> pleia2: I know where to find a couple good ones so I'll send the link out :)
[20:29]  * joanie resumes sitting quietly
[20:29] <hajour> msg free food
[20:30] <jono> ok
[20:30] <UndiFineD> MonoSodiumGlutamat that is
[20:30] <jono> so I think we have some good feedback I can take to Marianna
[20:30] <Pendulum> I agree :)
[20:30] <hajour> can i mail marianna?
[20:30] <Pendulum> jono: I'll also send you/her some of the other event planning info I have re: disability that might be useful
[20:31] <hajour> i mean how can i contact her
[20:31] <jono> Pendulum, cool - feel free to send that to her
[20:31] <jono> let me get her email address
[20:31] <jono> marianna.raffaele@canonical.com
[20:31] <hajour> i also not may have natriumvalproaat thats why
[20:32] <hajour> you call it sodium kitchen salt
[20:32] <hajour> thank you jono
[20:32] <jono> hajour, np
[20:32] <hajour> and sorry that i write not fast
[20:32] <jono> Pendulum, I will send these notes to Marianna and copy you in as a rep of the team
[20:32] <JanC> "sodium valproate" in English
[20:32] <jono> hajour, no worries!
[20:32] <Pendulum> jono: great :)
[20:32] <jono> awesome, so I guess let's wrap it
[20:33] <jono> #endmeeting
[20:39] <Pendulum> actually, before we end, can I bring up that I'd love to get some similar things up within the accessibility team to what the UW team has?
[20:39] <joanie> Pendulum: thanks for telling us (gnome-a11y) about this meeting. I'd like our two teams to work more closely in general. So this was a nice start.
[20:39] <Pendulum> joanie: I try to remember to pull you guys in because I know I've been crappy at attending gnome-a11y things, but I keep wanting to get the two teams to work more together, too :)
[20:39] <joanie> :-)
[20:39] <jono> thanks everyone!
[20:39] <jono> take care :-)
[20:39] <UndiFineD> :D
[20:39] <Pendulum> for those who haven't seen, the Ubuntu Women team has http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS
[20:39] <joanie> Pendulum: one more thing before I wander off.... http://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/tree/icons/AUTHORS
[20:39] <joanie> so the Orca logo is LGPL
[20:39] <hajour> thank you JanC 
[20:39] <joanie> version is not specified
[20:39] <highvoltage> ugh, just in time to miss it!
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks for listening, jono 
[20:39] <Pendulum> highvoltage: we can recap :P
[20:39] <joanie> but Orca the module is LGPL2.1 or later
[20:39] <Pendulum> I think I'll bring the rest to the list because it's less important and/or is stuff we can do informally :)
[20:39] <Pendulum> #endmeeting
[20:39] <jono> highvoltage, key outcomes I noted:
[20:39] <jono>  * making sure food allergies are properly catered for (pun intended) :-)
[20:39] <jono>  * ensuring accessibility features in the venue are included in the information on the website and handouts.
[20:39] <jono>  * we need to figure out how to ensure people who are new or shy don't get left out of evening activities.
[20:39] <jono>  * ensure transportation is accessible.
[20:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 22 20:35:47 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[20:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-accessibility/2011/ubuntu-accessibility.2011-02-22-20.00.moin.txt
[20:39] <jono>  * formalize how people organize evening events at UDS and put this process on uds.ubuntu.com
[20:39] <jono>  * highlight on uds.ubuntu.com about how people get in touch with Marianna (e.g. for room related queries).
[20:40] <highvoltage> jono: ah, thanks a lot!
[20:40] <jono> :-)
[20:40] <jledbetter> Nice.
[21:04] <czajkowski> aloha 
[21:04] <leoquant> hihi
[21:04] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski :)
[21:05] <czajkowski> pleia2: you pinged?
[21:06] <Pendulum> czajkowski: she mentioned something regarding how you'd organised Ubuntu Women dinners (In talking about how we can get such things more publicized in the future)
[21:07] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[21:07] <czajkowski> that was akgraner really re dinners
[21:07] <czajkowski> I did the firing range
[21:07] <czajkowski> the ice skating 
[21:09] <Pendulum> you did the Brussels UW dinner
[21:50] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu i386 desktop image screen-reader install; orca started with the live desktop today.
[21:50] <charlie-tca> install appears hung at 3rd page, Preparing to install Ubuntu...
[21:53] <erkan^> amai very netsplit :p
[21:55] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: Yeah Evan recently did some work to make that function again.
[21:59] <charlie-tca> TheMuso: Great! thanks. I will try again tomorrow then.
[22:02] <erkan^> I haven't still heard about bugs for tactile view on wine, charlie-tca 
[22:03] <Pendulum> maco: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wheeledtraveler/5468902083/ :)
[22:03] <maco> yay :)
[22:04] <Pendulum> now only 36 more photos to put in, 3 of which need to be edited to draw motion lines
[22:04] <Pendulum> (I'm putting in A-Z & 0-10)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen an update on it either, but sometimes it does take a while for the developers to get to them. It is not the only bug they have.
[22:19] <AlanBell> [M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M[M/sb end
[22:30] <Pendulum> AlanBell: was that intentional?
[22:34] <JanC> it looks like terminal escape codes, so I guess not  ;)
[22:38] <erkan^> )-:
[22:40] <erkan^> but thank for help charlie-tca (-:
[22:41] <charlie-tca> wish I had better news, you are welcome
[22:43] <erkan^> wow nice picture, Pendulum (-:
[22:49] <Pendulum> erkan^: thanks :) it's from an app I'm working on (American Sign Language)
[22:50] <erkan^> I know ASL little
[22:50] <erkan^> Years age I chat with American people on webcam, Pendulum 
[22:51] <Pendulum> cool :)
[22:51] <Pendulum> I used to know more, but I've forgotten a lot
[22:51] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no, not intentional, sorry
[22:51] <AlanBell> I was on the train
[22:51] <Pendulum> s'ok :)
[22:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: just wanted to make sure that wasn't your dying gasp or something :P
[22:52] <erkan^> live you in america, Pendulum  ?
[22:52] <Pendulum> erkan^: yes
[22:52] <erkan^> cool
[22:52] <erkan^> i use DSL, Pendulum 
[22:52] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I would hope my last words would be a little more coherent
[23:33] <hajour> are you still around Pendulum ?