[10:44] <ogra> ndec, have you seen natty-changes ? alsa is uploaded
[10:46] <ndec> ogra: ok. thx
[10:47]  * XorA pukes on Unity
[10:48] <persia> XorA: Careful: when we disagree we try to do so with respect.  apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop if you prefer.
[10:48] <XorA> persia: its quite literal, it gives me sea sickness :-)
[10:49] <XorA> persia: probably an effect of only having intel graphics so everything lags
[10:49] <ogra> ??
[10:49] <ogra> its rteally fast on recent intel chipsets
[10:49] <XorA> eee 901 isnt recent
[10:49] <ogra> well, there is at least a 945 or some such in it, no?
[10:50] <ogra> i know there are issues with the 8xx series
[10:50] <XorA> yeah
[10:50] <ogra> because intel dropped driver maintenance
[10:51] <XorA> I do really like the theme improvement in natty for gnome desktop though
[10:52] <suihkulokki> the stort of linux 3d.. either too new hw with drivers existing only some experimantal git branch or old hw with maintainance already dropped :P
[10:53] <XorA> since we lost being the 64bit test platform for UT codebase there is no money in linux 3d anymore :-(
[11:02] <hrw> ogra: 8xx do not have intel driver anymore in ubuntu
[11:02] <XorA> hrw: how goes?
[11:02] <hrw> XorA: they killed it in intel x11 driver
[11:02] <hrw> I have a laptop with 855 at home and only fbdev works on it
[11:03] <ogra> hrw, really ? I thought there is still one in universe
[11:03] <ogra> but who cares about intel anyway ...
[11:03] <ogra> arm is the future
[11:03] <hrw> 855 was pita anyway
[11:03] <ogra> :)
[11:03] <XorA> we just need 8 core arms, 7 cores to run mesa and one for desktop :-)
[11:04] <hrw> ogra: there are rumours that there will be laptops which can replace my ul30a in 2014 ;D
[11:04] <ogra> yeah, that saves all the 3d headdache
[11:04] <ogra> just do it all in SW
[11:04] <hrw> ogra: you do it already on your ac100 ;D
[11:04] <ogra> heh, indeed
[11:04] <ogra> metacity composite is really impressive here
[11:04] <ogra> even in pure framebuffer
[11:05] <XorA> few of my arm devices have screens :-)
[11:06] <hrw> from arm devices which are around my desk only one does not have a screen option
[11:10] <hrw> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplicationForUniverseContributor
[11:11]  * ogra opens
[11:12] <persia> hrw: No video out, no USB, no expansion connector?
[11:13] <hrw> persia: sheevaplug has usb but I do not have usb2vga dongles
[11:13] <hrw> and do not plan to have such ones
[11:14] <persia> I claim it has a "screen option", and you choose not to exercise it :)
[11:16] <XorA> note I said no screen, not the lack of option for one :-)
[15:40] <ogra> GRRRR !
[15:40]  * ogra hates symbols files
[15:41]  * prpplague pokes ogra in the eye with a sharp stick
[15:41] <ogra> *sniff*
[15:41] <prpplague> ogra: don't speak ill of symbol files
[15:41] <prpplague> ogra: they are your frienemy
[15:41] <ogra> heh
[15:42] <ogra> they are fine if you generate them with the same toolchain you try to build under
[15:42] <ogra> sadly i didnt do that with my last upload
[15:42] <ogra> so i have  to start over again and redo half a day of work
[15:42] <prpplague> ogra: doh
[15:42]  * prpplague needs coffee, brb
[15:49]  * prpplague returns like a bad case of athletes foot
[17:57] <davidm> prpplague, panda daughter cards just got urgent, the Panda boards shipped from DIgikey, all of them
[17:59] <ogra> \o/
[18:01] <davidm> prpplague, what is the thread size of the metal standoffs you use? I ordered the wrong size for my test, I had to drill out the holes but it did not matter for the test rack
[18:32] <prpplague> davidm: they pandaboards currently use 4/40 threads
[18:33] <davidm> prpplague, thanks, I'll order up a proper supply today
[18:37] <davidm> prpplague, the recommended power supply is 5VDC 4A, do you know how much of that is spare?
[18:39] <prpplague> davidm: 2A would be if you weren't using any usb devices
[18:39] <prpplague> davidm: talk to ctyler, he's been testing running multiple pandas from a single power supply
[18:41] <hrw> davidm: 2 usb ports = 1A extra if they are used
[18:44] <prpplague> hrw: 4 ports on the panda so, 2A extra
[19:03] <davidm_> prpplague, thanks, I'm just seeing what powersupply to order today
[19:03] <davidm_> Since we are planning on USB disk I'll make sure to allow the extra then
[19:06] <prpplague> davidm_: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4558896&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#productresources
[19:06] <prpplague> davidm_: thats what ctyler is using
[19:09] <davidm_> Woot Panda boards just arrived YEA!!!!
[19:10] <GrueMaster> Cool.
[19:11] <davidm_> prpplague, thanks, that supply won't work for me but it's good to know a combined supply works I'm going to order an 80A 5VDC with a 12A 12VDC supply
[19:12] <prpplague> davidm_: dandy
[19:13] <davidm_> The 12V is for the relay controls, the relays run on 12V  I'm going to wire it for NC applys power to Panda, NO applys power to latch on daughter card
[19:14] <prpplague> davidm_: which relays are 12V?
[19:15] <davidm_> The serial control relays the ones that give us remote control over the panda boards
[19:15] <davidm_> not the one you are using for the latch
[19:16] <davidm_> I am going to use a rack of 24 relays, only 20 wired that we can connect to via serial control to activate and deactivate the panda boards
[19:16] <davidm_> think of it as a remote reset on power
[19:17] <davidm_> Since I'm using a single power supply and not 20 power supplys
[19:17] <prpplague> davidm_: ahh
[19:17] <NCommander> hey all
[19:18] <davidm_> I'm going ot have to be quite careful of the power supply, you can weld at 80 apms of power
[19:18] <davidm_> s/apms/amps/
[19:19] <davidm_> I'm starting to think that I might want to use some fuses inline with all that power
[19:21] <GrueMaster> heh, reminds me of the custom powersupplies we had at Intel.  3.3v 320 amp, 5v 200 amp.  And they had two lugs for the wiring harness to bolt on to, about 2 inches apart.
[19:24] <rsalveti> davidm_: awesome
[19:27] <LajonSZ> Hello, I'd like to ask how it'd be possible to prepare fs for ubuntu arm with androidal init.rc? Anybody know how to write sth like that? (sorry for poor English)
[19:28] <LajonSZ> I have already img of ubuntu
[19:31] <NCommander> LajonSZ: android's init.rc system is pretty much completely different and incompatible w/ upstart
[19:34] <LajonSZ> So, it is not possible?