chrisccoulsongrrrrr, one of my stupid cats just woke my daughter00:47
TheMusoThats not good.,01:00
highvoltagechrisccoulson: why do you have stupid cats!?01:12
RAOFWhy is it so cold!  Brrr!01:37
highvoltagebecause we're so close to the north pole?01:37
cyphermoxhighvoltage, yeah :/01:40
TheMusoRAOF: the joys of Tassy. Its certainly cooler than usual in Sydney today too.01:52
RAOFYup :)01:53
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micahgrobert_ancell: hi, I remember you were discussing replacing tsclient with remmina earlier in the cycle, is that still planned?05:36
robert_ancellmicahg, well, it's being blocked by your team :P05:36
micahgrobert_ancell: ok, I can bring it up with the team then, is the discussion in the MIR?05:36
robert_ancellthere's some certificate handling code that needs patching, but I don't know enough about it05:36
robert_ancell(but I believe it's probably just as weak as rdesktop, so it's probably not an increased security risk)05:37
robert_ancellmicahg, bug #67392505:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 673925 in freerdp "[MIR] freerdp" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67392505:38
RAOFWho'd like to sponsor a wacom upload to fix a rather annoying SEGV on X server startup?05:39
micahgrobert_ancell: ah, yeah, that's bad :(, you mentioned working with upstream, did they say anything?05:39
robert_ancellit's not going to be fixed on their side before natty, I started work on a patch which I sent to them for review, no response05:40
robert_ancellbut I don't have a lot of experience with these crypto api's, and they're a little hard to work with :)05:40
micahgrobert_ancell: sorry, I wish I could help, but this is something I haven't gotten into yet05:43
robert_ancellI've updated the bug with some more info05:44
pittiGood morning06:56
TheMusoHey pitti.06:58
pittihey TheMuso, how are you?07:02
TheMusopitti: Well thanks, yourself?07:11
pittipretty good, thanks!07:11
brycehheya pitti07:23
pittihey bryceh07:26
pittibryceh: sorry for all the trouble with the bad X.org crashes07:26
brycehpitti, no prob, thanks for tending to it.07:26
brycehfortunately there seems to be just a few crashers in xserver, so the possibility exists we might be able to eliminate them all07:27
brycehthat'll be  a first for a release :-)07:28
brycehpitti, in other news... wayland!07:28
brycehpitti, do you/(can you?) do new package approvals for universe?07:28
pittibryceh: ... just at the point where you got X.org crash free :)07:28
brycehheh, job security!07:29
pittibryceh: "can" yes, "do" not very often any more07:29
brycehpitti, today I finally got the last bits squared away for wayland, and uploaded it to universe, and I'm hoping it'll get in by FF.07:30
brycehpitti, with all the latest mesa/libdrm/cairo/etc. changes, now all of wayland's dependencies are in the repository07:30
brycehand it even runs... there is a 'wstart' script which launches the compositor in your X environment, with a variety of demo programs07:31
bryceh(tested on -intel and -radeon, but not -nouveau yet)07:31
pittiwow, great work! looking forward to play with it07:32
pittibryceh: btw, all packages which land in NEW before FF will be considered (i. e. you don't get penalized for archive admin delays)07:32
brycehpitti, ahh, whew07:33
didrocksgood morning08:03
pittihey didrocks08:04
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti08:05
pittiI'm off for some 3 hours for some errands08:08
didrockspitti: see you08:12
glatzormvo, huhu09:13
* glatzor hugs mvo09:13
glatzorI merged a slightly modified version of your path in rev 586 of aptdaemon09:14
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:15
chrisccoulsonha - http://canweshipyet.com/09:18
chrisccoulsonthat's a pretty good summary09:18
didrocksgood morning chrisccoulson, rodrigo_09:46
rodrigo_hi didrocks09:48
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks, how are you?09:52
didrocksI'm fine, thanks, you? :)09:52
duanedesignhello didrocks rodrigo_ . Hope you all are well10:11
didrockshey duanedesign, how are you?10:11
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duanedesigndidrocks: i am good thank you. Trying to get a few packages ready for Debian.10:19
didrocksduanedesign: excellent :)10:19
duanedesignthankfully I have a few people interested in helping on a couple projects. :) Was starting to get overwhelmed. Have not had a change to touch Stipple since...probablly around UDS-N10:20
didrockssimilar here for oneconf :( just updated to new USC API10:24
jibelrodrigo_, Hi, I'm able to easily reproduce bug 718098, with libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 2.23.0-1ubuntu1 installed. Aren't you ?10:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 718098 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71809810:26
jibelrodrigo_, the easiest way is to install the current iso, which is affected by this issue.10:26
tjaaltonbanshee seems broken on natty atm. refuses to play anything10:27
tjaaltonoh filed already10:27
rodrigo_jibel: no, I'm not10:35
jibelrodrigo_, do you get bug 719861 on the system you're trying to reproduce ?10:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 719861 in gdk-pixbuf "After installation icon theme default to gnome-icon-theme and cannot be changed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71986110:36
rodrigo_jibel: no, neither, that was already fixed iirc10:36
rodrigo_jibel: are you up to date?10:37
jibelrodrigo_, yes, today's iso10:37
rodrigo_I'm writing a patch to avoid the crash, although haven't found the real cause, so I'm just adding a check for not calling g_str_hash with NULL10:37
jibelrodrigo_, build failed on all arch for gdk-pixbuf, that's probably why it's released but not on the iso10:38
rodrigo_hmm, yes10:38
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Riddelljasoncwarner: ping10:54
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seb128rodrigo_, you don't get the crash even if you screw the svg loader?10:56
seb128jibel_, right, gdk-pixbuf failed to build due to some gir things, I've pinged pitti and kenvandine last week about it but since they didn't have time for it yet10:57
seb128we need to get svg support fixed for a3, I will try to fix it again this week if they don't10:57
jibel_seb128, okay, thanks.11:00
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rodrigo_seb128, right, no crash at all11:12
seb128rodrigo_, weird11:12
pittiseb128: gdk-pixbuf FTBFS? hm, I'm not aware of that, but I can have a look11:12
rodrigo_seb128, I'm writing a patch to avoid calling g_str_hash with NULL though11:12
seb128pitti, we discussed it briefly on wednesday evening11:13
rodrigo_seb128, although that's not the real cause, just a symptom11:13
seb128pitti, but it was just before your w.e and I had to run11:13
seb128rodrigo_, ok11:13
pittiseb128: ah, seems I forgot then, sorry11:13
seb128rodrigo_, you get no theme set and you can't open svg files right?11:13
seb128pitti, no worry11:13
rodrigo_seb128, right, and lots of missing icons11:13
rodrigo_but no crash11:14
rodrigo_seb128, do you get it with all the latest updates?11:14
seb128rodrigo_, you nautilus /usr/share/applications and close the dialog?11:14
rodrigo_seb128, yes11:14
seb128did you restart your session or nautilus with the broken librsvg?11:14
seb128well broken loader index11:14
pittiseb128: opened a tab for it now, will queue it after my current bug fxi11:15
pittioh, and sending the meeting reminder :)11:15
seb128rodrigo_, I didn't try this week but I don't really see what could have fixed it and it seems jibel_ still get it11:15
seb128pitti, danke11:15
seb128pitti, oh right I was about to remind you about the reminder :p11:15
pittiseb128: speaking of meetings, was there any action etc. for us in Friday's release meeting?11:16
seb128pitti, no11:16
rodrigo_hmm, what crashes all the time is metacity, when I remove the svg loader11:16
pittiseb128: thanks for covering11:16
seb128pitti, no question, no action either11:16
seb128you're welcome11:16
pitti"business as usual" then :)11:16
seb128rodrigo_, didn't try with it since compiz is the default and is working on this box11:16
pittididrocks: btw, is that only my configuration, or do the fonts in the unity panel look fuzzy everywhere?11:17
seb128rodrigo_, well don't bother then if you don't get the crash, it's weird, it seemed like nautilus was getting confused because it's failing to load some of the icons to display11:17
pittididrocks: btw, great to see proper theme support now! I finally have a bright panel again with dark text \o/11:17
didrockspitti: hum, in the panel No, it should juste use the ubuntu font11:18
seb128like it's not handling well the case where icons loading is failing11:18
pittididrocks: ok, will investigate later then, thanks11:18
didrockspitti: yeah, the launcher should be coming once we have a sign of design :)11:18
seb128pitti, screenshot?11:18
seb128didrocks, launcher what? themable?11:18
didrocksseb128: just choose the "radiance" theme11:18
rodrigo_seb128, yes, but submitting that patch anyway, at least it won't crash until we find the real issue11:18
didrockswell, it's limited to ambiance and radiance only11:18
seb128rodrigo_, thanks11:19
seb128didrocks, heh, I do use the light theme since ever11:19
seb128screenshot was for the fuzy issue, I don't think I have it but I want to see what pitti is speaking about before saying that11:19
pittiseb128: doing, hang on11:19
seb128but I've to admit I liked the non themed version better11:20
seb128it looks a bit weird now11:20
seb128it doesn't fit with the launcher (which was part of my "launcher?" question to know if the launcher will change as well) and I find the junction unity-panel to application not as clear11:21
pittiseb128, didrocks ^11:21
didrocksseb128: yeah, the "launcher" is still pending design to ack11:21
pittitext in the menus is fine11:21
seb128I think I would be fine if the launcher was forcing the old style with the right icons and let me use a different theme for my applications11:21
pittibut the "martin", time, and top level menus are fuzzy, looks like not aliased11:21
pittireading them makes you feel a bit dizzy11:22
didrockspitti: I have this on other monitor which doesn't have the same resolution, hard to compare :)11:22
pittiI'll file a bug later on then11:22
didrocksbut yeah, maybe you're right, I'll let dx know11:22
seb128pitti, right, same issue there11:22
pittiI believe that came with the themed change11:22
pittiI don't remember it being fuzzy before, but then again that was bright on dark and looked different11:23
seb128easy to see if run an application with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY set and compare the panel and application menus11:23
seb128without rather11:23
seb128pitti, right11:23
didrocksseb128: hum? pitti is telling that text in the appmenu is fine11:24
seb128didrocks, no, he says the menu content is fine11:24
pittididrocks: in the submenus, not in the top-level names in the panel11:24
seb128not the menu bar11:24
pittididrocks: see the screenshot11:24
didrocksoh ok, the top-level menu11:24
pitti"Datei" is fuzzy, the "Neu" entry looks fine11:24
seb128see the difference between the text in the unity-panel and the text in the open menu11:24
didrocksyeah, I see it now11:24
didrockshum, should be a nux issue IMHO11:25
pittiI guess it's not using the standard GNOME font rendering with aliasing?11:25
didrocksmore the prossible :)11:25
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seb128didrocks, nux is used for the indicators rendering?11:25
didrocksseb128: right, all is rendered by nux as nux widgets11:26
seb128it's weird they don't use gtk directly11:26
seb128didrocks, just curious but what advantage is nux giving the label rendering in that context?11:26
seb128it seems something where plain gtk should be just fine11:27
didrocksseb128: well, all having as nux widgets enables padding and layout in a sane way (as some widgets have to be wrapped by nux)11:28
seb128didrocks, it's weird, unity-panel-service doesn't use nux it seems11:29
didrocksthen, nux should be using gtk maybe, but as it wants to be platform independent…11:29
seb128ldd on the binary doesn't list nux11:29
didrocksseb128: the service doesn't render11:29
didrocksseb128: the service is a proxy which tell "you need this, that and that"11:29
seb128I guess I don't understand how the unity-panel is working ;-)11:29
didrocksvery easy11:29
didrocksunity-panel is part of the unity process11:29
didrocksthen, the unity-panel-service talks to the unity panel, telling it what it should draw11:30
seb128so the service has all the loading and information dispatching and unity does the rendering?11:30
didrocks(the "what" beeing strings and data)11:30
didrocksall that over dbus11:30
didrocksso, for the indicators, you basically have:11:30
didrocksindicator service <-> unit-panel-service <-> unity (compiz)11:31
didrockswith <-> being dbus protocol11:31
seb128I know the indicator to service part of the deal11:31
seb128I've been mostly looking at the indicator stack so far11:31
seb128I didn't realize the unity-panel rendering was done by unity itself though11:31
seb128learning every day ;-)11:31
didrocksright, just telling that for a menu, we have two dbus passerels11:31
didrocksall the rendering is done by unity, whatever it is11:32
seb128I guess they have their reasons11:32
didrocksless X connections is one of them I think (and don't destroying/redrawing the panel on indicator crash is another)11:33
seb128well I guess it's rather for the things like wm control integration11:33
seb128because otherwise for the few rendering the unity-panel has to do it would have been easier to do a separate binary11:33
seb128it would have reduced the potential for indicator to bring unity down or to leak memory etc11:33
didrocksindicator don't bring unity down, just the service11:34
didrocksso, unity just "don't refresh" the panel until the service respawn11:34
seb128right, that's because they redesigned it this way to avoid the issue they had last cycle :p11:35
didrocksexactly :)11:35
pittididrocks: do you know what happened with /desktop/gnome/session/required_components ?11:47
pittiit doesn't have nautilus any more -- how do I remove nautilus from autostarting now?11:48
pitti(I need to run it from a local build tree)11:48
seb128pitti, /usr/share/gnome-session/11:48
seb128pitti, the sessions are in the sessions directory there11:48
pittiah, thanks; learned something new11:48
didrocks/usr/share/gnome-session/sessions now11:48
pittiI suppose changing that requires a session restart?11:49
seb128the /usr/share/xsessions sessions start gnome-session --session=11:49
seb128which load the corresponding profile in that directory11:49
didrockspitti: yeah, it needs a session restart11:49
pittithere is no per-user override for that any more then?11:49
didrockspitti: no11:49
seb128pitti, yes, was already the case with the gconf key11:49
seb128yes -> restart11:49
* pitti uses good old sudo mv /usr/bin/nautilus{,.disabled} then11:51
seb128don't kill nautilus if you do that11:51
seb128gnome-session tends to crash when you do that11:51
seb128it tries to respawn it since it's in the session and doesn't like failing to it11:51
pittiit seems to survive fine right now, I can start/stop it from my build tree now11:51
seb128ok, last time I tried gnome-session crashed11:51
* Sweetshark builds libreoffice-3.3.1~rc2-1ubuntu1~ppa1 which has good chances to become the unchanged final (and includes the humanity icons)11:59
* Sweetshark just realizes he builds the human style, but does not package it.12:02
ricotzseb128, hello12:18
Sweetshark... and here we go again (this time with packaging hopefully) ...12:18
seb128ricotz, hey12:24
Sweetsharkpitti: ping?12:29
pittihey Sweetshark12:29
Sweetsharkcould you help me along with MIRing ttf-sil-gentium-basic and ttf-sil-gentium as they are recommends for libreoffice12:32
Sweetsharkthats bug 71151212:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 711512 in libreoffice "[natty] libreoffice uninstallable: depends on ttf-sil-gentium-basic from universe" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71151212:33
pittiSweetshark: oh, sure; I believe ttf-sil-gentium was in main before, and -basic should be easy (sounds like a splitout)12:33
pittittf-sil-gentium | 1.02+dfsg-4 |         hardy | source, all12:33
pittiSweetshark: so, I'll re-promote that one12:34
pittiSweetshark: I suggest that you reassign above bug to ttf-sil-gentium-basic12:34
pittiSweetshark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess describes the full process, FYI12:35
nessitahello everyone. Is there any chance to get an sponsorship for a new package? package branch is https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-file-storage-api/ubuntuone-file-storage-api-0.0.112:35
Sweetsharkpitti: you mean the "affects" field?12:35
pittiSweetshark: so in essence you'd subscribe ubuntu-mir to the bug and change title/description accordingly; you need to provide the rationale ("recommended by libreoffice")12:35
pittiSweetshark: expand the "natty" task, there you can modify the affected source package12:36
pittiSweetshark: it's not a bug in libreoffice12:36
seb128hey nessita12:38
seb128nessita, how are you?12:38
pittihey nessita12:38
seb128nessita, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors if you didn't yet so it's on the sponsoring list, I will try to review it later on if nobody picked it up before12:38
nessitahey seb128, pitti! how are you?12:38
seb128nessita, I'm fine thanks12:39
seb128nessita, urg, "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. "12:39
pittiSweetshark: you can already check some of the MIR requirements for getting a feel for it, but the MIR team will do the packaging checks (as you aren't that experienced with Debian packaging yet)12:39
seb128nessita, is that a private project or something?12:39
nessitaseb128: makes sense, I didn't realize I could subscribe people to a branch (instead to a merge prop)12:39
pittisame here12:40
seb128nessita, well you can ask review from ubuntu-sponsors12:40
nessitaseb128: is not, but somehow LP makes all u1 branches private. Thanks for noticing this, I'll ask a l.o.s.a to make it public12:40
nessitaseb128: but, proposing merge against what target, if the package project does not exist?12:40
seb128hum right, for a new source better to open a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors12:41
Sweetsharkpitti: eh, the title is misleading. I need ttf-... in main as libreoffice is too, right?12:42
pittiSweetshark: correct; the standard title is "[MIR] ttf-sil-gentium-basic"12:42
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rodrigo_seb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/nautilus/fix-718098/+merge/5073412:44
rodrigo_seb128, at least with that it shouldn't crash12:44
seb128rodrigo_, thanks12:44
rodrigo_although not much happy about the fix, it's just fixing a symptom, not the real cause12:44
Sweetsharkpitti: do I keep myself in "assigned to" or who should go in there?12:45
seb128rodrigo_, do you plan to forward the patch upstream as well?12:46
rodrigo_seb128, not this one, will do as soon as I know the real cause12:46
seb128rodrigo_, did you try under compiz? not sure why it would make any difference but several users reported having it when clicking on the ubuntu logo under unity and closing it12:47
czajkowski12:45 < Pendulum> hey, can anyone here RT this, I don't have many followers and I'm hoping we get some good feedback http://twitter.com/#!/colona13/status/40020405666189312  :)12:47
czajkowskiCan folks help out please :D12:47
seb128which basically runs nautilus on /usr/share/applications12:47
rodrigo_seb128, yes, also tried it there, no crash neither12:48
rodrigo_but yes, seems to be related to using unity12:48
seb128czajkowski, "rt this"?12:48
seb128czajkowski, is there something technically that should be done, like is that blocked on some infrastructure changes which are defined?12:48
czajkowskiPendulum: ^^12:49
seb128rodrigo_, hum, I'm pretty sure I got it using a daily iso in kvm without d12:49
seb128rodrigo_, in a classic session just running nautilus /usr/share/applications and closing it12:49
rodrigo_seb128, removing the svg loader, right?12:49
czajkowskiseb128: the idea would be to get more people to the meeting to encourage and examine how we can get more people to UDS as some have conceners about venue and taking part.12:49
seb128it might that I didn't even wait for it to have loaded the dir12:49
ricotzseb128, sorry, was away, do you mind looking at my gtk+3.0 3.0.1 merge?12:49
seb128rodrigo_, the fixed gdk-pixbuf didn't land, daily isos still have the svg loader not registered12:50
Pendulumseb128: announcement of meeting about making UDS more accessible12:50
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, ok, I tried with a maverick->natty update, so I guess that got the fix?12:50
seb128Pendulum, we can do that, it doesn't require a rt though12:50
rodrigo_although I also tried removing the svg loader12:50
czajkowskiseb128: well some people don't know what to say unless they RT it12:50
seb128jcastro, can you get http://twitter.com/#!/colona13/status/40020405666189312 advertized on planet etc?12:51
seb128czajkowski, Pendulum: ^12:51
Pendulumseb128: I was asking people to pass the word12:51
czajkowskiseb128: where Rt is not logging a RT ticket but retweeting it12:51
Pendulumthere's a blog post on planet about it already :)12:51
seb128ok, gotcha12:51
seb128well doesn't hurt to ping jcastro12:51
seb128the community team is good about letting other know about meetings etc ;-)12:51
PendulumI asked in the community team channel12:52
seb128rodrigo_, right, that would work12:52
nessitaseb128: thanks, I'll open the bug and link the branch (I'll re push to +junk since l.o.s.a.s are sprinting)12:52
seb128rodrigo_, the issue is that the cache refresh is not run on first installation12:52
seb128nessita, ok12:52
rodrigo_seb128, hmm12:53
seb128rodrigo_, editing the file in /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0 to drop the svg reference should be the same though12:53
seb128it leads to have stock GNOME icons in the session and eog refusing to open svg images12:54
seb128rodrigo_, did you try on natty or on a box with GNOME3?12:56
rodrigo_seb128, on a vm with natty, upgraded from a maverick iso12:56
rodrigo_no gnome312:57
rodrigo_well, also tried on my box, with gnome3, but no crash neither12:57
seb128rodrigo_, well I just started a daily iso in kvm, nautilus /usr/share/applications and close the nautilus dialog immediatly12:57
seb128nautilus crashed, I just tried again now12:58
rodrigo_hmm, ok12:58
seb128rodrigo_, maybe try downloading a daily iso and starting in kvm to see?12:58
pittiSweetshark: please unassign once you subscribe ubuntu-mir, it will be assigned to a member of the MIR team; do stay subscribed, though12:59
Sweetsharkpitti: k13:03
pittiSweetshark: looks fine now; still requires a packaging check (by MIR team)13:03
pittiSweetshark: but your side is done now; thanks!13:04
Sweetsharkpitti: great, thanks for the walkthrough ;)13:05
Sweetsharkpitti: hmm, there might be another one actually for MIR: libreoffice-nlpsolver, see bug 712725. That one just got into debian unstable in the last days, but we should have it in natty too, I guess. It is one of the unique features of LO which OOo does not have. FWIW we should be able to just use the version by debian as is ...13:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 712725 in libreoffice "NLPSolver extension not available" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71272513:09
pittiSweetshark: is it recommended by the LibO package?13:12
Sweetsharkpitti: hmmm, no. So we would put it in universe?13:14
pittiSweetshark: I guess we won't really need it for a standard CD install, but I guess the full "libreoffice" metapackage could certainly depend on it13:15
pittiSweetshark: that would need a MIR then, of course13:15
* pitti syncs it into natty13:15
* Sweetshark tries to MIRify the bug then.13:16
pittiSweetshark: synced and source NEWed; will take some time to build now, and then needs to get through binary NEW13:17
pittiSweetshark: but now you should be able to change the source package task to nlpsolver, i. e. LP now knows about it13:17
Sweetsharkah, ok13:17
Sweetshark... not yet ...13:18
* Sweetshark wonders: at debian the package is called libreoffice-nlpsolver, but here it is nlpsolver?13:21
seb128Sweetshark, sourcename != binaryname13:24
Sweetsharkseb128: doh! ok. ;)13:24
mterryseb128, is tedg around today?13:26
seb128mterry, hey13:26
seb128mterry, I guess so, he was around yesterday at least13:26
seb128mterry, he just join a bit later than that usually, like in 1 hour or so13:26
pittiseb128: I'm about to do a nautilus upload; do you have anything pending?13:26
* pitti got bug 714958 fixed now13:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 714958 in nautilus "desktop should disable automounting when screen is locked" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71495813:27
pittiit's working quite nicely now13:27
seb128pitti, let me check13:27
seb128pitti, lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/nautilus/fix-71809813:28
seb128pitti, you might want to merge than13:28
pittiseb128: will look, thanks13:28
pittirodrigo_: is your fix for bug 718098 upstream anywhere? there are no links or patch tag headers13:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 718098 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71809813:29
rodrigo_pitti, no, not upstream13:30
pittirodrigo_: can you please forward it? or just commit there (looks obvious to me)13:30
seb128pitti, we just discussed it half an hour ago on the channel13:30
seb128pitti, he said he wants a real fix rather than a workaround13:31
pittiah, ok13:31
rodrigo_pitti, well, it's just a fix for a symptom, not the real fix, so I'd prefer not to send it upstream for now13:31
seb128but he fails to get the issue on his install13:31
rodrigo_pitti, I'm still looking at what could cause it13:31
rodrigo_just submitted this branch so that people stop getting crashes13:31
pittimerged, uploading now; thanks!13:33
pittihm, when I press F7, my desktop goes mad13:51
pittican't type anything any more, or select menu entries, etc.13:51
seb128don't do that!13:51
pittiF8 as well; but that's my pastetoggle key for vim!13:52
seb128joke aside no issue there13:52
pittithen again I can't switch to ctrl+alt+f8 from VT1 any more either13:53
pittictlr+alt+f1 to f6 works, though13:53
pittiso maybe it's somethign new in X13:53
seb128jibel: bug #723156, is that specific to the liveCD?14:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 723156 in gnome-control-center "Keyboard layout selection is not preserved after logout/login on liveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72315614:00
chrisccoulsonhi pitti14:01
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chrisccoulsonif you feel like doing some removals, i have bug 723163 (which closes another WI) ;)14:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 723163 in prism "Please remove prism source and binaries from natty" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72316314:01
seb128seems an issue for pitti or GunnarHj14:01
seb128likely gdm, .dmrc, gnome-settings-daemon thing14:02
jibelseb128, Idk, I haven't tried to reproduce on real hw yet. I'll do that in the afternoon and update the report.14:02
pittididrocks: filed as bug 723167 FTR, I didn't find an existing bug14:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 723167 in unity "Panel does not use standard GTK/Pango font rendering/antialiasing, causing fuzzy fonts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72316714:04
pittihey chrisccoulson14:04
pittichrisccoulson: oh, sure14:04
chrisccoulsonhi pitti, how are you?14:04
chrisccoulsonthanks :)14:04
pittigot a bit of a cold, but good otherwise! how about you?14:04
seb128jibel: I think it's similar to bug #65951214:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 659512 in gnome-settings-daemon "USA layout variant cannot exist without standard USA layout" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65951214:04
pittichrisccoulson: *swoosh*14:06
jibelseb128, that's really close, I'll dup mine, and undup if it's still there once the fix is released.14:08
chrisccoulsonpitti - excellent, thanks! my list is getting smaller now - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Natty/Firefox4/XULRunner20Transition14:09
seb128jibel: thanks14:10
pittiargh swt-gtk14:10
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, that one's a real pain now14:11
didrockspitti: ok, perfect, thanks :)14:11
pittididrocks: FSVO "perfect" :)14:24
didrocksheh :)14:25
seb128tedg, have you seen bugs similar to bug #720895?14:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 720895 in libdbusmenu "bluetooth-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value()" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72089514:36
tedgseb128, In general yes.  They tend to come from using builders without any entries being added to it.14:37
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seb128tedg, so bugs in the applications not in the stack?14:38
tedgseb128, Well, unfortunately, could be both :-/14:38
tedgseb128, Though we've fixed a bunch of those in dbusmenu.14:38
seb128tedg, this one seems to be a common one, what would help? valgrind log?14:38
tedgseb128, I think we've got all... but...14:39
seb128tedg, well mdz still get it on current natty14:39
tedgseb128, Really, a stack trace that can be retraced would probably be enough to identify it...14:40
seb128tedg, ok, will get you that14:40
tedgseb128, Why does that happen?  Upgrades after the stacktrace is uploaded but before the retracer can get to it?14:40
seb128tedg, no, issues on the retracer, I'm debugging that at the moment14:40
tedgseb128, Honestly speaking, how much time do you spend fixing the retracer?  It seems like critical but yet unreliable infrastructure?14:42
seb128the retracing queue is empty14:42
seb128bah, I need to hurry, kenvandine will ruin my debug work14:48
kenvandineseb128, ?14:48
seb128kenvandine, I'm trying to figure why the libdbusmenu symbols don't work on the retracers14:48
* kenvandine is trying to get lo-menubar uploaded in time to get NEW'd and MIR done :)14:49
seb128but when your upload hit the mirror the ddebs will be out of sync14:49
kenvandineugh... sorry14:49
seb128no worry14:49
seb128still a bit before it's built and published ;-)14:49
rodrigo_hmm, the gtk3 packages have been renamed?15:00
pittiseb128: ok, so gdk-pixbuf FTBFS is due to our local 065_gir_set_packages.patch15:01
pittiit's all kenvandine's fault :)15:01
kenvandinesigh... again :)15:01
seb128when I dropped a similar change on gtk kenvandine came complaining the next day15:01
pittiI think that might be fixed upstream in a better way now15:01
seb128it seems those are buggy but yet required15:01
pittithat says15:01
pittiGdkPixbuf_2_0_gir_EXPORT_PACKAGES = gdk-pixbuf-2.015:01
pittikenvandine: ^ do you know whether that's sufficient? we want "what's the corresponding .pc for this GIR", not "which .pcs do I need to build this GIR", right?15:02
kenvandineit basically adds a <package> to the gir file, with the .pc pkg name15:02
pittikenvandine: ok, I'll check that then15:03
kenvandinethx pitti15:03
pittikenvandine: confirmed, above works (the upstream solution)15:04
kenvandinenot having that breaks a bunch of other things15:04
* pitti fixes15:04
mvohey didrocks! a quick question, is there a chance for a updated simple-ccsm? or is that not needed/desired?15:05
didrocksmvo: it's not maintained anymore15:08
mvodidrocks: should we remove it from the archive then?15:11
mvodidrocks: or is it fine, just not maintained?15:11
mvoi.e. no 0.9 version etc15:11
didrocksmvo: I think it should work, I didn't test though15:12
mvodidrocks: I got a mail bugreport about it, I will just reply to file a bug I guess15:13
didrocksmvo: yeah, I think it will be good. Thanks :)15:15
mvothank you15:15
seb128pitti, what defines a successful retrace in apport again?15:16
seb128I though it was 5 correct functions in line15:16
pitti        The current heuristic is to consider it useless if it either is shorter15:17
pitti        than three lines and has any unknown function, or for longer traces, a15:17
pitti        minority of known functions.15:17
pittiseb128: "5 correct functions" is stronger, and only required for auto-duplication15:17
pittiabove is "has_useful_stacktrace()" for apport-failed-retrace15:17
seb128pitti, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64887641/Stacktrace.txt is counted as correct15:17
seb128which is somewhat border line15:17
pittiI know; I'm happy to fine-tune15:17
seb128no that's ok15:17
pittiit currently falls un der the "majority of known functions"15:17
seb128I'm trying to find something which fails retracing to do it by hand ;-)15:18
pittithey really suck these days in general, though15:18
seb1283 on 10 is not really in that category15:18
pittiseb128: did you try downgrading to 6.8 locally? did that reproduce any of the bad retraces for bluetooth (or whatever you were trying before where you said it works)?15:18
seb128pitti, not yet, but last time I tried to play with gdb versions the issue happened only in the retracer environment15:19
pittiok, so could be fakechroot breakage again15:19
seb128I will do that now15:20
* pitti sobs quietly15:20
seb128bah the i386 retracer is busted15:20
seb128ERROR: connecting to Launchpad failed: <?xml version="1.0"?>15:20
pittiawesome; that looks transient, though15:21
pittiseb128: oh, is that perhaps why the retracer got stuck (lock files) without having anything in the log?15:21
seb128not really transient15:21
pittiwe really need to file an RT for cron mails; I'll do that now15:21
seb128the i386 one crash on start15:21
seb128the amd64 one works though15:21
seb128I'm driving it by hand right now15:21
seb128go figure15:21
pittiamd64 had a lock file and no running retracer as well, though (and no error in the log)15:22
seb128I'm running it by hand15:22
seb128it just finished a retracing15:22
pittiseb128: heh -- check mailq on osageorange15:22
seb128cf the stacktrace I copied to you15:22
pittilooks like a firewall issue, I'll RT15:22
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pittiRT sent15:25
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seb128pitti, do you have any clue about the i386 retracer issue?15:25
seb128look a debug in the ubuntu-archive dir15:25
pitti(/me in meeting, lagged)15:25
seb128or try running the i386 retracer by hand like the cron do15:26
pittiugh, NFC :/15:26
pittiseb128: is that the outside crash digger already, or retrace in the fakechroot?15:26
seb128pitti, it's doing that in the second you run it15:27
pittiok, outside then15:27
seb128so I guess the first thing which tries to talk to lp15:27
pittiso, seems it's a difference in the i386 vs. amd64 dchroot15:27
pittihm, identical python{launchpad,wadl}lib versions15:28
seb128do they use the same .lpcookie?15:28
pittihm, hang on, there's still a local launchpadlib /checkout15:29
pittiperhaps one of them is using that15:29
pittiseb128: I removed ~/launchpadlib/ now; nothing should be using that any more, just checked apport-retracer-*/environ15:31
pittiseb128: does it behave any different now?15:31
pittiseb128: yes, same cookie15:31
seb128pitti, no15:32
seb128You can reset the credentials by removing the file "/home/ubuntu-archive/.lpcookie"15:32
seb128it has a long error log with that at the end15:33
pittiseb128: it just prints that out on any HTTPError15:33
seb128well "log" seems like a launchpad page or something15:33
pittiseb128: hah - cron spam15:36
seb128oh, they fixed it?15:36
pittiapparently so15:36
pittimeh, this dchroot noise is annoying15:37
pittiI always get it locally as well15:37
pittidear dchroot, there is no "location" in any of my configuration, STFU15:37
pittiseb128: https://portal.admin.canonical.com/4418315:37
pittijust flipped to resolved15:37
* pitti bows to our super fast IT team15:38
GunnarHjseb128, jibel: Am I guilty to bug 723156? ;-) The issue is indeed similar to the issue with GDM and l-s that didn't play well together, but at GNOME they are now referring to GDM for GNOME 3, where they seem to be dropping the opportunity to set basic session settings from the login screen. If that will happen with Ubuntu as well, is it really worth it to fix the current inconsistency with respect to keyboard layout settin15:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 723156 in gnome-control-center "Keyboard layout selection is not preserved after logout/login on liveCD (dup-of: 659512)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72315615:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 659512 in gnome-settings-daemon "USA layout variant cannot exist without standard USA layout" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65951215:38
rodrigo_so, what's the new name for the gtk3 packages? I still see the same ones in the standard repos15:39
seb128rodrigo_, libgtk-3-015:40
seb128rodrigo_, libgtk-3-dev15:40
rodrigo_seb128, but those are not available yet on the repos15:42
seb128they are here15:43
seb128I installed them yesterday15:43
seb128do you use a mirror?15:43
bcurtiswxseb128, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/empathy/2.91/empathy-2.91.90.news  should I add the optional champlain dep ?15:43
seb128bcurtiswx, no15:43
bcurtiswxseb128, OK thx15:43
seb128it's in universe15:43
rodrigo_seb128, yes, .es15:43
seb128you're welcome15:43
rodrigo_ok then15:43
chrisccoulsonhow do i turn off the ubuntuone notifications telling me the connection status?15:46
chrisccoulsoni keep getting repeated notifications15:46
chrisccoulsonaha, killing syncdaemon seems to have fixed it :)15:48
kenvandinechrisccoulson, you should file a bug to get them to quiet those down15:48
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, yeah, it's annoying. i've basically had repeated notifications, one straight after another for the last 15 minutes or so15:48
mdeslaurchrisccoulson: please tell me the bug number once you've files it so I can go rant in it :)15:52
seb128pitti, ups, sorry I wanted to reply there15:53
seb128less noisy15:53
seb128pitti, so it's a gdb issue15:53
seb1286.8 screw the stacktrace15:53
seb1287.2 works fine15:53
seb128both on my natty box15:53
seb128using on a running indicator with a breakpoint15:53
pittiseb128: ah, many thanks15:53
rodrigo_seb128, what repo are you using? archive.ubuntu.com?15:53
seb128rodrigo_, yes15:54
seb128rodrigo_, you?15:54
seb128rodrigo_, try to apt-cache policy libgtk-3-015:54
seb128or libgtk3.0-0 as well15:54
rodrigo_was using .es, but switched to the main archive15:55
rodrigo_but now I realize I was apt-cache search gtk315:55
rodrigo_and it's libgtk-3-015:55
rodrigo_ok, there it is indeed15:55
seb128<rodrigo_> so, what's the new name for the gtk3 packages? I still see the same ones in the standard repos15:56
seb128<seb128> rodrigo_, libgtk-3-015:56
seb128 rodrigo_, libgtk-3-dev15:56
seb128rodrigo_, not my fault :p15:56
rodrigo_no, my fault :-)15:56
seb128GunnarHj, right, I've no real opinion on the logic screen options16:07
seb128or on whether it will be fine to drop those16:07
seb128or if we will want to put them back16:07
seb128or use another dm like lightdm16:08
seb128pitti, seems there is something wrong with the cookies16:11
pittiwe can regenerate them easily16:12
pittiseb128: perhaps it helps to purge the LP cache?16:12
seb128pitti, what cookie is subscribe-triagers.py supposed to try to use?16:13
pittiseb128: ~/.lpcookie is the general auth file, there is no other16:13
seb128pitti, no, I think lptools are using .launchpadlib/...16:14
seb128let me try something16:15
GunnarHjpitti: Hi Martin, I submitted the backports bug 719815 the other day. Do you have time to think it over and (hopefully) triage it?16:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 719815 in maverick-backports "Please backport gdm and language-selector to Lucid and Maverick" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71981516:20
pittiGunnarHj: I'm not in ~ubuntu-backporters16:20
pittiGunnarHj: we can't just backport the natty l-s package as it is, as this was switched to pygi16:21
pittiwhich doesn't yet work on lucid/maverick16:21
pittigdm should work fine, though16:21
GunnarHjpitti: I know, but Scott asked for an opinion.16:21
GunnarHjpitti: The bransches don't include the pygi stuff.16:22
pittibug updated16:23
pittiGunnarHj: ah, there are branches already? usually backports require that you can build and use the natty package unmodified16:24
pittias custom modifications need to be kept in sync and thus require a much larger amount of maintenance16:24
pittijasoncwarner: hey Jason, how are you? do you lead the meeting today?16:25
GunnarHjpitti: I realised that that wouldn't suffice in this case. Thanks for the bug comment.16:27
jasoncwarnermorning, pitti...yeah, I'm here and all!16:30
pittiah, awesome16:30
seb128hey jasoncwarner16:30
jasoncwarnerhey seb128! morning!16:30
pittiSweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_: meeting16:31
* Sweetshark reporting in.16:31
jasoncwarnermorning everyone.16:31
pittitremolux and tkamppeter seem to be offline16:31
* kenvandine waves16:31
rodrigo_hey jasoncwarner16:31
jasoncwarnerpitti: no problem.16:32
jasoncwarnergood morning everyone...hope everyone is doing well! Should be a good week, I suppose..almost to feature freeze!16:33
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Partner Update16:33
kenvandinethey will be needing a FFE for the unity launcher integration16:34
kenvandineit is still blocked on bug 70924016:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 709240 in vala "libunity support gobject-introspected languages" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70924016:34
kenvandinebut that api is so simple, it shouldn't be much work or risky16:35
kenvandinefor DX16:35
kenvandinewe'll finally be getting libreoffice appmenu support16:35
kenvandinelo-menubar is working, i'll get the package uploaded today16:35
kenvandineand start an mir16:35
seb128oh, they will maybe beat chrisccoulson and firefox it seems ;-)16:36
kenvandinetedg has some feature work landing this week too, but we missed our meeting yesterday... i don't have a good list of that atm16:36
Sweetsharkhttp://aruiz.synaptia.net/siliconisland/2011/02/introducing-libreoffice-integration-with-unitys-application-menubar.html and http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/02/21/a-warm-welcome-to-canonical/ in case anyone missed it ...16:36
kenvandinei'll get it on the wiki page though16:36
kenvandinethat is all i have16:37
chrisccoulsonseb128 - oh, we can't have that ;)16:37
kenvandinechrisccoulson, race!16:37
chrisccoulsoni'm basically blocked on mozilla now, my extension is pretty much finished!16:37
seb128ok, I bet on kenvandine, let's see!16:37
jasoncwarnerAwesome, thanks Ken. chrisccoulson, still waiting on mozilla?16:38
chrisccoulsonjasoncwarner, yeah. i'm actually just chasing it up right now16:38
jasoncwarner:) thanks!16:39
jasoncwarnerOk, [TOPIC] UNITY16:39
didrockshey o/16:40
didrocksas usual, most of what's important is on the wiki16:40
* kenvandine prays for dash and places16:40
didrockskenvandine: it's there already :)16:40
didrocksstill a crash though, will be fixed for next release16:40
didrocksso, feature-wise, we are almost on top of it16:40
didrocksjust alt + F2 remaining and will need a FFe16:41
didrocksand another one for resizing windows, will come soon16:41
didrockstroubles ahead: new compiz tomorrow with ABI break, don't do partial upgrades!16:41
didrocksall the rest is on the wiki :)16:41
didrocks(we got also some new tool to deal with unity bug, will blog about at the end of the week)16:42
jasoncwarnerthanks, didrocks...16:43
jasoncwarnerskipping software center...[TOPIC] KUBUNTU16:44
jasoncwarnerRiddell: you around?16:45
Riddell * owncloud packaged and in16:45
Riddell * samba sharing in16:45
Riddell * language selector updates working, will be merged & uploaded shortly16:45
Riddell * kdebindings still broken on ARM, no resolution from mobile team or upstream, getting worrying16:45
Riddell * 14 milestoned bugs for alpha 3 http://goo.gl/yGhJd16:46
Riddell * Todo list features pleasingly green ready for feature freeze https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo16:46
jasoncwarnerthanks Riddell...any idea what is holding up the kdebindings?16:47
Riddellwell something to do with qreal!=double which is a typical ARM issue we have16:47
Riddellbut this one is especially difficult and I can't work it out and neither can ncommander16:47
jasoncwarnerhmm...is there hope of a fix in time for FF or is this something that is not going to make it?16:48
RiddellI can't see it happening in time for FF16:48
Riddellit's not a feature of course, it's a bug16:48
jasoncwarnerRiddell: ok, thanks ...16:49
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Tools and Processes16:49
jasoncwarnerpitti: anything you want to talk about here?16:51
pittinot from my side16:51
pittiI walked through our remaining specs/WIs yesterday16:51
pittiand cleaned up a bit16:51
pittithere are still a few bits which are feature development, but not too many any more16:52
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html looks quite ok16:52
seb128not sure what the tools and processes section is about? is that a call for random topics?16:52
YBinnenwegHi guys16:52
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-3.html looks more concerning, though :)16:52
YBinnenwegI have problems with installing ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop16:53
seb128YBinnenweg, hi, try #ubuntu16:53
YBinnenwegOkay :)16:53
jasoncwarnerthanks, pitti...looks like there are some WIs we need to look at before A3. Anything on that list blocked ?16:54
pittiit looks like basically all the quickly ones are?16:54
pittiblocking on LP implementation, I figure16:54
pittimterry has 5 of them, didrocks 116:55
mterryYeah, I think we just postpone those16:55
pittiI guess we can move that to beta-1 for now and live with a FF (should be trivial for quickly)16:55
pittiand if it still doesn't land, move to octopus?16:55
mterryTrue, we can try to FFe them when done16:55
pittido you happen to know how soon that will land?16:55
mterryI think LP team is targetting A316:55
pittithen there's certainly a lot of non-desktop team WIs there16:56
jasoncwarnermterry: thanks...seems we'll have to wait and see (while simulataneiously putting a tad bit of pressure on the LP folks ;) )16:56
jasoncwarnerOk...anything else? AOB ?16:57
seb128not a topic but worth mentionning that the retracers are quite broken at the moment16:58
seb128so don't rely on those much16:58
pittimterry, didrocks: ok, I updated https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-quickly accordingly; there's still enough a3 fodder left16:58
seb128the annoying bits is that they auto invalid and let private bugs which fail retracing16:58
seb128which seems to concerning libdbusmenu stacktraces16:59
pittiI have it very high on my list to debug this (in fact, working on it right now)16:59
jasoncwarnerOk...thanks for the reminder seb128. Anything else or should we get back to getting those WIs completed and finishing off stuff for FF? :)17:02
chrisccoulsonwhich day is FF?17:02
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks. will i need a FFe to land my menu bar extension?17:03
chrisccoulsonbased on conversations i've just had, it might be friday ;)17:03
pittichrisccoulson: yes, but that should be fine17:03
jasoncwarneralright..if no one has anything else, [END MEETING]. Come back for eastern edition to get latest on X.org/Mesa stuff if interested ;)17:05
chrisccoulsoni'm always around in those meetings ;)17:05
mterrytedg, heyo, just so you know, I've been working on the datetime preference dialog part of the DateAndTime spec.  It's in lp:~mterry/indicator-datetime/clock-prefs .  Not done yet, but it might be a big merge and a pre-review might be good, especially to correct me if I'm doing anything especially stupid17:07
didrockshum, session restart to get a working stacking, brb17:08
tedgmterry, Makes sense, but I'm sure mpt will find more errors with that than I will ;)17:08
tedgmterry, I'll take a look.17:08
cyphermoxi've been debugging bug 723166 and bug 722020 which seem to be the same thing, looking at gnome-bluetooth source I see the menus are being set as GtkAction, and I wonder if the fact that dbusmenu then tries to get the new label  from a GtkMenuItem cast of the object doesn't break things?17:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 723166 in gnome-bluetooth "bluetooth-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72316617:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 722020 in indicator-appmenu "bluetooth-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in g_atomic_int_exchange_and_add()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72202017:10
rodrigo_can someone please review and upload this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_7_release/+merge/50787 ?17:16
rodrigo_debian is still at 0.1.5, so I just went ahead and updated it17:16
rodrigo_it's needed for the new g-c-c17:16
seb128tedg, mterry, chrisccoulson: ^ you probably have a clue about those crashes, they seem to be due to appmenu code17:17
seb128rodrigo_, can you just upload to the ppa rather? I will sync the update from debian when pochu does it later17:17
rodrigo_seb128, yes, sure17:17
seb128it's less work than doing an upload to reforce a sync behind in the distro17:18
tedgseb128, kenvandine just uploaded a dbusmenu version with a fix that may fix those -- hard to tell for sure, but was a NULL variant unref.17:21
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm still totally stuck with swt-gtk atm. i don't know what to do with it :/17:25
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chrisccoulsoncan i kill it? ;)17:25
pittichrisccoulson: did Daviey get back to you about dropping it from euca?17:30
chrisccoulsonpitti - not yet, or at least, not that i remember :)17:30
seb128tedg, it's getting hard to know what bugs are still current or not ;-)17:35
seb128tedg, thanks17:35
tedgseb128, I solve that by assuming they're all fixed ;)17:35
seb128cyphermox, ^ tedg thinks it might be fixed with the upload today17:35
cyphermoxseb128, ah17:36
seb128tedg, until next week when we notice we keep gettings somes17:36
tedgseb128, No, really, I'll assume they're fixed even then ;)17:37
seb128tedg, I'm glad you stop assuming that and review patches when they are coming ;-)17:38
cyphermoxseb128, tedg, that was the upload of what today?17:39
seb128kenvandine, the libdbusmenu update of yours will not build17:49
seb128kenvandine, you need to build-depends on libgtk-3-dev (new naming)17:49
seb128c.f ubuntu-desktop mailing list for details on the renaming17:50
nessitadoes anyone know why a package build is started to fail with dh_install: python-ubuntuone-control-panel missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.*/*-packages/*/ubuntuone/__init__.py), aborting?17:51
nessitathe source does have a ubuntuone/__init__.py file, but when running bzr bd is not copied to debian/tmp17:51
nessitait used to work without problems, which puzzles me a lot17:51
seb128nessita, did they got dropped from the tarball?17:52
nessitaI just checked that, the file is in the tarball17:52
seb128nessita, what is the vcs? can I try from here?17:52
nessitaseb128: I haven't made an official release yet, I was testing a change in the .desktop file. Will it help to send you the tarball?17:53
seb128nessita, do you get the same issue if you build the current natty source?17:53
seb128nessita, you can send me a tarball if you want yes17:53
nessitagood point, let's try17:53
seb128it's hard to debug it without having access17:53
nessitaseb128: yeah, I get the same issue using trunk (lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel)17:54
seb128nessita,  let me try17:57
nessitaseb128: I just tested on a clean branch, same error. Yes please :-)17:57
seb128works fine here17:57
kenvandineseb128, oh yeah, i hadn't read that email yet when i uploaded that fix17:58
kenvandineseb128, fixing now17:58
nessitaseb128: what did you do exactly? I did:17:58
nessita bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel; cd ubuntuone-control-panel; bzr bd17:58
nessitaand got the error. This is a new natty install (since yesterday), up to date17:59
seb128nessita, same17:59
seb128kenvandine, thanks17:59
seb128nessita, can you pastebin your build log?17:59
nessitaof course sir!17:59
seb128or scp it somewhere as you want17:59
nessitaseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/570700/18:00
* nessita scratches her head18:06
seb128nessita, can you check what is in ../build-area/u-c-p/debian/tmp/usr/lib?.18:07
Davieypitti / chrisccoulson: Sorry, but euca is in a really bad way at the moment - i'm kinda nervous about introducing the potential of more breakage18:09
nessitaseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/570703/18:09
Davieychrisccoulson, I'm hoping to have a chat with upstream later today... but can you remind me of the main rational for removing the need for xulrunner?18:10
nessitaseb128: as you can see, ../build-area/ubuntuone-control-panel-0.8.3/debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ubuntuone-control-panel/ubuntuone/__init__.py is not there :-/18:10
* Daviey goes afk for a bit, but will read scrollback on his return18:10
chrisccoulsonDaviey, we've currently got 2 versions of xulrunner in main, and supporting just 1 version is difficult enough ;)18:11
chrisccoulsonideally, we don't want to have xulrunner in main at all now18:11
Davieychrisccoulson, ideally i'd remove the rdepend you are talking about from the archive altogether :)18:11
chrisccoulsonDaviey, me too. euca doesn't actually use any of the xulrunner parts either. the only things which use it are in universe18:12
seb128nessita, checking18:13
seb128nessita, you know about ls -R right? ;-)18:13
nessitaseb128: yeah, but I like complicated :-D18:14
nessitais more fun (?)18:14
Davieychrisccoulson, I'll contact upstream again today.. and hopefully have a better idea.. but if you are sure it doesn't actually use it, then it certainly sounds safe enough18:14
nessitaseb128: and I get to chat with you a little longer ;-)18:14
seb128nessita, it's weird18:15
seb128nessita, the build log has "copying build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/ubuntuone/controlpanel/__init__.py -> /home/nessita/tmp/build-area/ubuntuone-control-panel-0.8.3/debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ubuntuone-control-panel/ubuntuone/controlpanel"18:16
nessitaseb128: right, but that is not the problematic file18:17
seb128oh right18:17
nessitathe one is: build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/ubuntuone/__init__.py18:17
seb128let me compare with my build log18:17
nessitathe __init__.py file is not in ../build-area/ubuntuone-control-panel-0.8.3/build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/ubuntuone/18:18
seb128nessita, you need python-defer18:18
seb128nessita, see the ERROR line just after configure18:18
seb128nessita, I guess it's not installed on your box18:19
nessitais not...18:19
nessitais a new install18:19
seb128it lacks a build-depends on it18:19
nessitaI'm adding it right now18:19
Davieychrisccoulson, Which is it 2.0 or 1.9.2 you are trying to drop?18:20
nessitaseb128: thanks!18:20
seb128nessita, the control has almost no build-depends, is that normal?18:20
chrisccoulsonDaviey, 1.9.2 definitely needs to go, but i'd like to drop 2.0 as well18:20
seb128nessita, the pkginfo list quite some things, defer, aptdaemon, etc18:20
seb128oh, I guess those are runtime18:21
nessitaseb128: exactly18:21
nessitaseb128: we don't use any of those to *build*18:21
nessitaanyways, python-defer is not listed in the corresponding binary package, I should fix that18:21
seb128nessita, well somewhat the build log suggest it tries to use defer at build time18:22
nessitaI'll see if I can debug that18:22
seb128it's aptdaemon.defer18:22
nessitaseb128: hum?18:23
seb128it's "aptdaemon.defer not found"18:24
seb128nessita, you might need python-aptdaemon18:24
nessitaah, yes, in line 8718:24
nessitayeah, but I don't understand why that is needed at build time, it makes no sense18:25
seb128could be a red hearing...18:26
seb128nessita, if you run python setup.py build in your checkout, does it work?18:26
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nessitayes it does18:27
nessitawithout any error18:27
seb128you get a build/lib.linux-x86_64-2.7/ubuntuone/__init__.py ?18:27
nessitabut the tar does, I guess that is unrelated18:28
nessitaoutput is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/570714/18:29
dobeynessita: for some reason, it seems setup.py is not installing it on narwhal18:29
nessitadobey: I think I know what the problem is18:30
nessita     87     packages=['ubuntuone.controlpanel', 'ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk'],18:30
dobeyi see18:30
nessitait should be18:30
nessita     87     packages=['ubuntuone', 'ubuntuone.controlpanel', 'ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk'],18:30
* nessita fixes18:30
dobeyshould be packages=find_packages()18:30
dobeyhrmm, actually no18:30
nessitadobey: and where does find_packages come from?18:30
seb128nessita, but why does it fail for you and not for others?18:30
dobeybecause then it will install the integrationtests dir too18:30
nessitaseb128: is failing for the natty build as well18:31
dobeywhich we don't necessarily want right now18:31
dobeynessita: so just using the list is the right way for now i think18:31
nessitaseb128: it wasn't failing before because we did another 'magic' with modules -- only one project was installing that __init__ file18:31
dobeynessita: did you remove ubuntuone from that list at some point?18:31
seb128nessita, oh ok18:31
seb128nessita, ok, seems you have it sorted then, or at least you are on track18:32
nessitadobey: I don't think so, not that I recall18:32
dobeynessita: that's weird18:32
nessitaseb128: yes, thanks A LOT for your help18:32
seb128nessita, you're welcome ;-)18:32
nessitadobey: I'll fix it18:33
dobeynessita: because it's working fine on maverick, and the 0.8.3 release i made last week built fine on narwhal when i made these changes in ubuntu18:33
gnomefreakit seems the transition from mutter -> compiz is complete?18:33
dobeynessita: sure, i'd just like to understand how it broke :)18:33
nessitadobey: I haven't touched the setup.py till today18:33
dobeyvery weird18:33
nessitaargh, aptdaemon API changed?18:42
nessitamvo: ping18:42
nessitamvo: unping18:46
pitti. o O { what happens if you unping a person without previously pinging? stack underflow exception? }18:47
nessitapitti: :-)18:47
pittimvo: unping18:47
pitti*mvo disconnected (segfault)18:47
* pitti hugs mvo18:48
kenvandinewe should unref18:48
alecudidrocks, ping18:51
alecudidrocks, do you know if a new version of gir1.2-unity-3.0 will be packaged soon?18:52
alecu It looks like the issue in bug #709240 is fixed on libunity trunk (getting "TypeError: must be an interface" when using libunity from python).18:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 709240 in vala "libunity support gobject-introspected languages" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70924018:52
didrocksalecu: this thursday18:56
didrockslike every unity releases18:56
alecudidrocks, great, thanks. I'm adding some comments to that bug.18:56
ricotzrodrigo_, hi, are you going to upload more things to gnome3-ppa?18:57
rodrigo_ricotz, yes, not today probably though19:14
ricotzrodrigo_, ok, new g-s and mutter will be released soon19:16
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rodrigo_ricotz, cool!19:16
ricotzbut g-c-c might be the most important for now19:16
rodrigo_ricotz, yes, on it myself, just have to deal with some other deps (libxklavier, libgnomekbd), so leave that to me19:17
ricotzok, that would be nice19:17
gnomefreakim guessing desktop team maintains compiz. if so is there any chance that unity and compiz will be compatible in the near future. right now they dont play well with eachother outside of the default settings19:40
seb128gnomefreak, what do you mean? unity is a compiz option19:40
gnomefreakseb128: if i use the compiz config and choose to enable water effect. it breaks unity. if i choose to use the desktop cube it wants to disable desktop wall, once desktop wall is disabled it wants you to disable ubuntu unity plugin19:42
seb128how does the water effect breaks unity?19:42
gnomefreakthose are what i tested so far, since neither worked as expected i figured i would stop there19:42
kenvandinechrisccoulson, this is impressive, firefox is using 497G of virt mem19:42
gnomefreakok that sucked. let me paste it back. i typed it in wrong channel some how19:44
gnomefreakseb128: all gnome panels disappear, the window  boarders are gone. you cant click on any  window and use it. for example i had 2 terms  open and i can switch between them but i can  not use any commands and such19:44
seb128that's compiz crashing which is a known issue19:45
gnomefreakah ok19:45
seb128it tends to crash when enable or disabling options in ccsm19:45
seb128you can restart it, go to a VT and DISPLAY=:0 compiz19:45
gnomefreakdoes that also go with the disabling of options19:46
seb128"or disabling options"19:46
gnomefreakok cool thanks. i will look for the bug that was filed so i can track it19:47
Davieychrisccoulson, Hey... Do you already have a swt-gtk that is built without xulrunner?19:48
pittiapport-retrace --auth /tmp/auth -guv 72124020:56
seb128it doesn't give nice result with either version?20:58
seb128did you try locally?20:58
pittiseb128: 6.8 gives a reasonable result, 7.2 a broken one (both in retracer fakechroot)20:58
pittiseb128: local one is running, needs to download awful amount of debs..20:58
seb128pitti, well, get the deb locally and just unpack and use gdb on the dump but I guess it will give you a decent stacktrace20:59
seb128pitti, I start thinking we should rework the retracers to use vm images rather21:00
pittiseb128: ok, local apport-retrace finished21:00
pittiresult is equally poor21:00
seb128it doesn't make sense21:01
seb128like you lack libwnck symbols?21:01
seb128well maybe that crashdump is buggy21:02
* pitti tries bug 71224221:03
ubot2pitti: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/712242)21:03
cyphermoxsmspillaz, ping21:25
Amaranthcyphermox: he was up late, probably have to try again in a few hours21:28
cyphermoxAmaranth, thanks21:28
jasoncwarnerEaster edition desktopers awake? RAOF TheMuso robert_ancell ?22:02
jasoncwarnerand, of course, bryceh, .... joining us from the US :)22:02
RAOFSo far east he's west :)22:02
jasoncwarnerWell, why don't we get started... RAOF and bryceh, care to update on [TOPIC] X.org ?22:02
RAOFIt's been a fun week in X.org22:02
brycehWayland is now uploaded to universe :-)22:02
TheMusoHey folks.22:02
jasoncwarnerbryceh: woohoo!22:02
brycehjust has to get past archive admins22:02
RAOFWe've landed a fix for nouveau which makes unity work on all supported (hah!) cards, and switched to r600g by default which means that the radeon crashes in alt-tab should be gone.22:03
brycehthen just apt-get install wayland ; wstart22:03
pittiRAOF: rockin'!22:03
TheMuso...and if its nouveau supported hardware, it will toast your laptop... :)22:03
brycehaside from all that, past week has been lots of work on bugs and apport hooks22:04
TheMusoNot really, but make it rather warm to the touch, so be warned. :)22:04
RAOFXserver 1.10RC2 has been released, and is almost ready in git.  This upload will also fold in the Xi 2.1 multitouch work, so have fun, all of you with MT hardware :)22:04
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RAOFBecause of some dependency handling changes this will require a rebuild of all the drivers to pick up the new Depends field info, but there isn't an ABI change, so old drivers won't cause the X server to crash :)22:05
jasoncwarnerRAOF: just read the one about nouveau...awesome...will be upgrading later today then!22:05
jasoncwarnervery cool...can't wait for those changes. Anything else from X?22:06
brycehif you want a run down on individual bugs we're working on we can do that, but it's probably TMI22:07
brycehoh, one worth noting22:07
brycehthere seems to be an out-of-memory issue when running on the livecd22:07
bryceheventually this causes X to crash, so it gets reported as an X bug, but not sure where the leak actually is in the system22:08
brycehit's not at the top of our list to work on, but seems pretty important22:09
jasoncwarnerhmm..ok...keep us posted then....22:09
jasoncwarnerhow long after using it as a live cd does it crash?22:09
brycehit would be nice if anyone is doing regular livecd testing if they could help narrow down what process is leaking all the memory22:09
jasoncwarnerlike...you know...10 hours or 5 minutes22:09
jasoncwarnerwell, I guess it probably depends on hardware...nm...22:09
brycehit varies but seems to be from 1 minute to less than an hour22:09
jasoncwarneryeah, that would be pretty important then...22:10
brycehwhat we don't know yet is what steps are needed to reproduce, so that alone would be useful to know22:10
TheMusoHrm that could explain a weird crash I had yesterday when testing the installer mode of the live CD with accessibility.22:10
jasoncwarnerbryceh: I'll see if I can get some testing on it...but we should talk to QA as well since they do quite a bit of livecd testing22:10
TheMusoWhat is weird is that was on a machine with 2GB RAM.22:10
brycehok cool22:10
jasoncwarnerthanks, bryceh22:11
jasoncwarnerOk, anything else for eastern edition worth noting?22:11
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] AOB as it is officially known... :)22:11
TheMusoWas checking the travel related sites from the Aust government this morning, it appears Aussies do not need a VISA for Hungery.22:12
TheMusoJust thought I'd mention it, in case others hadn't checked.22:12
* RAOF hadn't yet, thanks!22:12
TheMusogah typo22:12
jasoncwarnerand americans living here?  ;)22:13
TheMusoheh I don't know where you stand WRT that.22:13
TheMusoI guess you are still under the regulations of the US.22:13
jasoncwarneranyway...if there is nothing else...22:14
jasoncwarnerplease fill in your details on the wiki22:14
TheMusoOh, and since there are a few of us aussies going, we shoudl try and coordinate things such that we are on the same flight, at least if people want to.22:14
jasoncwarnerand don't forget your WIs...getting close to FF and we A3 WIs are a bit sketchy...22:14
jasoncwarnerplease give them a look today and clear 'em out as you can.22:14
RAOFYeah, that'd be a good idea.  What way are people going?  Syd→Heathrow→Budapest, or via Frankfurt?22:14
pittigood night everyone22:15
RAOFnight pitti22:15
jasoncwarnernight pitti22:15
jasoncwarneryeah, would be intersted in route as well...haven't figured out which way I'm going yet...22:16
jasoncwarner[END MEETING] btw22:16
TheMusoHaven't looked myself either, which is why I made the suggestion.22:16
RAOFI was leaning towards via Heathrow; it's a bit more flight time, but the same total time, and Syd→Heathrow is an A380 rather than a 747.22:18
TheMusoOoo that sounds very appealing.22:19
seb128tedg, bug #719591 seems another libdbusmenu issue which some users ran into22:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 719591 in libdbusmenu "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71959122:48
seb128tedg, is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64415930/Stacktrace.txt enough to be useful?22:49
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that looks very much related to your valgrind log :)22:50
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, feel free to assign this one to you as well if you want to work on it22:50
seb128or if you think it's the same bug22:50
chrisccoulsonit all looks related to the CACHED_MENUITEM stuff in the new parser code22:50
tedgYeah, there's some unref there.  I do think they're similar22:51
chrisccoulsoni think the crash that mdz sees might still be a different issue though :/22:51
seb128which one? bug #72089522:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 720895 in libdbusmenu "bluetooth-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_builder_add_value()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72089522:51
seb128is that the similar one or a different?22:51
seb128oh you mean the crash is different from the valgring log?22:52
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, it looks unrelated at a first glance. but then, if there are memory errors, they could still all be related ;)22:52
didrocksgood night everyone22:52
seb128'night didrocks22:53
chrisccoulson'night didrocks!22:53
seb128chrisccoulson, do you think you will have time to have a go at this issue before next week?22:55
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i'm looking at those now22:55
seb128would be nice to have corruptions fixed for a3 so we can see what other issues remain22:55
chrisccoulsonone of the nice things about working on firefox is not having to worry about all this reference counting stuff that you have to deal with in C + gobject ;)22:56
robert_ancellRAOF, did you just update some video stufff?22:59
RAOFWell, there's been a sync of libva recently.23:00
robert_ancellhmm, my video now crashes about 30s after login in compiz23:00
RAOFSince when?23:00
robert_ancellsince I did a dist-upgrade this morning23:00
RAOFBah.  The unity applications search would be more useful if it didn't always crash compiz :(23:01
RAOFGot an Xorg.0.log?  Also, describe “crashes” :)23:02
robert_ancellthe same video problem I was describing last time23:02
RAOFWhere Unity crashes when you hit alt-tab?23:03
robert_ancellthe strange lined video problem23:03
robert_ancellI'll take a photo next time it occurs23:03
RAOFIf you hadn't updated for a while, this may be fallout of switching to r600g?23:04
robert_ancelldid that happen automatically?23:06
robert_ancellglxinfo says I am running gallium23:06
robert_ancellI'm not seeing anything particularly bad in the logs23:08
robert_ancellI'll trigger it later today after I've got some work done23:08

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