gnomefreakany reason on why if i add minefield to unity it will not launch. it will launch if ran from terminal or menu but not from unity panel00:56
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m_conleychrisccoulson: ping14:24
chrisccoulsonhi m_conley14:24
m_conleychrisccoulson: hey - I was wondering, what is the best way to degrade gracefully if the libindicate service is not found?  Like...my messaging menu extension just assumes that functions like indicate_server_ref_default exists14:25
m_conleyso, how would you suggest I make my extension go inert if these functions aren't available?14:26
chrisccoulsonm_conley, do you mean if the service doesn't exist, or the actual libindicate library doesn't exist?14:26
chrisccoulsonyou'll need to do some dlopen/dlsym trickery14:26
chrisccoulsonm_conley, have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=503226 as an example14:27
m_conleyok cool, thanks. :)14:27
chrisccoulson(which will degrade gracefully if glib is too old to have GSettings support)14:27
m_conleychrisccoulson: hm...testing this isn't very easy.  libindicate seems to be a pretty important part of Ubuntu right now...15:03
m_conleychrisccoulson: hey - if you get a moment, would you mind poking around with my messaging menu extension?  I'd love any feedback you might have.18:11
chrisccoulsonm_conley, yeah, sure :)18:11
m_conleychrisccoulson: thanks! :)18:11
chrisccoulsonm_conley, i haven't seen any bug reports since we started shipping the menubar extension for thunderbird btw18:20
chrisccoulsoni assume that's good news ;)18:20
m_conleychrisccoulson: phew.  :)  Do you have any usage stats?18:20
chrisccoulsonm_conley, i don't think so :(18:20
chrisccoulsonwe have popcon, but that is opt-in, and i'm not sure how accurate it is18:21
m_conleychrisccoulson: well, we had one of our UX guys look at it - besides the menu flicker (which we have a bug for), he seemed pleased with it.18:21
chrisccoulsonyeah, the menu flicker is a bit annoying18:21
chrisccoulsoni need to talk to ted about that18:21
davidascherchrisccoulson: do you know on what IRC channel i could find barry warsaw?18:22
chrisccoulsondavidascher, i think he'll be in #ubuntu-devel18:23
chrisccoulsonthere is someone in there called barry, i just need to make sure it's the right one ;)18:23
chrisccoulsonyeah, barry is barry warsaw18:24
chrisccoulsonfta2 - i might move the thunderbird branches around a bit later (so lp:thunderbird will start pulling from comm-central, so we get 3.3 nightlies)18:27
chrisccoulsonand lp:thunderbird will become lp:thunderbird/3.1 (similar to how we have the firefox branches laid out already)18:28
chrisccoulsoni guess that will affect your bot won't it?18:28
micahgchrisccoulson: I'm glad someone finally got around to that :)18:29
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i haven't got round to it yet. but it's next on my list once i've investigated fta's breakpad issue ;)18:29
gnomefreakcan we get 3.2 also?18:29
chrisccoulsoni really want to get the 3.3 nightlies running18:29
micahggnomefreak: there is no 3.2 ATM18:29
micahgchrisccoulson: I have the beginnings of it if you want me to push it up18:30
gnomefreakah ok 3.3 is great for me than :)18:30
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, sure18:30
chrisccoulsonm_conley, is the menu flicker considered a big issue btw? i *think* i have a way to partially fix it18:33
chrisccoulsonwe can quite easily delay the opening of top-level menus18:33
chrisccoulsonbut delaying the opening of the sub-menus is a lot trickier18:33
chrisccoulsonbut i think if we can delay opening the top-level menus, that will fix most cases18:34
m_conleychrisccoulson: hard to say - but I think it might be one of those little papercut things.  The user might not even notice what happened, but still might be a little annoyed.18:34
chrisccoulsonthe unity panel is in control of opening the top-level menus, so it should be easy to delay those18:34
gnomefreakunity panel + minefield == failure to work18:35
chrisccoulsongnomefreak, do you mean the launcher?18:35
gnomefreakchrisccoulson: yes18:35
chrisccoulsonbamf ;)18:35
gnomefreakchrisccoulson: i can add it but it wont work. i can however launch it every other way18:35
chrisccoulsonalthough, i thought asac fixed those problems18:36
gnomefreaknot as of today18:36
gnomefreakat least not for end user18:36
chrisccoulsonit works here :18:36
johnny77asac: Hello, I'm working on Ubuntu Community Documentation when I found this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium It automatically redirects to a page you last edited. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build I would like to create a documentation page for Chromium, but the name is used. Is that old page needed?18:36
gnomefreakjohnny77: i get an empty page when i go to the Chromium page18:39
gnomefreakafaik help.ubuntu../community is still wiki.ubuntu18:40
johnny77gnomefreak: I don't think they are the same. If you go to the link I supplied, it shows a different page briefly before redirecting.18:42
gnomefreakjohnny77: take https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build  and remove Build18:43
gnomefreakyou get an empty linl18:44
gnomefreaklink. notice you are using both links wiki and help..18:44
johnny77I understand that, but that is not the page I'm asking about.18:44
johnny77The help page redirects to the wiki page.18:44
gnomefreakmy point being is that the first link is redirecting you to the wiki page. not sure if all help... pages do that but with yours it does18:45
gnomefreakwe changed the links for wiki to help..community a while ago so either link should bring you to same page. in theroy18:46
gnomefreakchrisccoulson: yeah atm minefield doesnt work (just making sure)18:47
johnny77Yes. But I want to write a howtouse documentation page and the help page is the name I'd use.18:49
gnomefreakcompare a intel P4 1.7ghz with 256mb ram to a amd 11 X2 with 4gig ram  it is just amazing :)18:52
gnomefreakjohnny77: i understand. IMPO i dont see why not but its safer to be sure18:53
johnny77gnomefreak: So who can I talk to to "be sure" The help page was last edited almost two years ago.18:54
gnomefreakmicahg: chrisccoulson asac fta2 any thoughts on best course of action. im ok with using wiki....18:56
gnomefreakthats one way :)18:56
gnomefreakbut ill get yelled at for that im sire18:56
* micahg isn't sure what the question is18:56
johnny77micahg: I want to write a Community Help Documentation page of Chromium. The link the I would use is already used, redirecting to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build. What I need to know is if the old page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium can be deleted so that I can write my page.18:59
micahgjohnny77: yeah, the page is out of date anyways19:00
micahgYou might want to include a link to the build page on your help page though19:00
johnny77micahg: I can certainly do that. Do you think it would be better to delete it and start over or just continue with a new version? I'm just worried about people that are subscribed to it.19:01
micahgjohnny77: which one?19:02
gnomefreakwell if the build page isnt current or at least it doesnt work than replace otherwise if the info there still works than keep it (saves you some work)19:02
micahgjohnny77: there's nothing there at the moment19:04
johnny77micahg: For my it redirects to a new page. Is that what you are getting?19:05
gnomefreakit redirects to build and kind of sloppy too. i dont ever remember seeing a section of first page before redirect in wiki docs before19:05
micahgjohnny77: yes, so you can get rid of the redirect19:05
johnny77micahg: Thank you.19:05
micahgjohnny77: thank you for helping with the documentation19:06
johnny77micahg: no problem.19:06
* gnomefreak cant believe the determination some people have when it comes to trolling/spamming/so on19:07
gnomefreakok need a break before i get back to him19:07
ftajohnny77, the build instructions are mostly obsolete, the whole 64bit section should go19:37
ftachrisccoulson, ACK the tb changes, let me know when you're ready to do it19:37
* gnomefreak finally owns a 64bit system :)19:40
gnomefreakive been wanting one since before dapper19:40
gnomefreaki used to have a few launchpad search engines for firefox. what did i not install or was it taken out of19:55
gnomefreakok it seems if i create a launcher on my desktop useing the command firefox-4.0 it launches. i dragged it to unity panel and it launches now. so i have to guess that the launcher command gets changed from menu to panel20:14
gnomefreakok maybe not20:25
gnomefreakfrom desktop it works but cant drag it to the pael(i guess it was already running) but now it will only launch from desktop launcher and menu items20:26
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m_conleychrisccoulson: ping22:06
chrisccoulsonhi m_conley22:09
m_conleychrisccoulson: hey - just some clarification for my question from a few hours ago:  so, say we include my messaging menu component binary with the linux version of TB...what would happen on systems where libindicate did not exist?22:10
m_conleychrisccoulson: or is libindicate ubiquitous enough so that this would not be an issue?22:10
chrisccoulsonm_conley, i think it's only ubuntu using it so far22:11
m_conleychrisccoulson: alright - and if PR_LoadLibrary("libindicate.so") returns NULL, is this sufficient to determine that libindicate is not available?22:11
chrisccoulsonm_conley, yeah, as long as you're also using PR_FindFunctionSymbol to bind the symbols too22:13
m_conleychrisccoulson: alright, gotcha - thanks.22:13
chrisccoulsonm_conley, although, you'd need to load libindicate.so.5 as libindicate.so is only shipped in the -dev package22:14
m_conleyright - forgot to add that part, but yeah, I have that.  :)22:14
chrisccoulsonfta, we should be able to publish bug 538796 tomorrow \o/22:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 538796 in moon "cannot open Firefox/Chromium/Google Chrome when libmoon is installed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53879622:20
chrisccoulsonthe reports just needed a bit of a push ;)22:20
micahgchrisccoulson: great job on that one :)22:21
chrisccoulsonwell, it wasn't me who figured it out ;)22:21
chrisccoulsonthat was evmar and one of the moonlight guys22:21
ftamicahg, openarena regressed :(22:23
ftamicahg, i'm now hitting debian 61133622:24
ubot2Debian bug 611336 in openarena "openarena: The game does not quit when I confirm it." [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/61133622:24
micahgfta: I'll take a look later this evening22:25
ftai have so many regressions in natty..22:26
gnomefreakmost of the regresions i am seeing are related to unity/compiz22:27
micahgfta: sorry, I thought I was pulling in some useful changes22:29
ftai see tons of glib-dbus regressions22:29
ftaunity is expected, it's miles away from feature parity22:30
micahgfta: I'd suggest filing them if you have time, we're 2 months out and that won't be good for the platform22:30
ftamicahg, i do, but seb128 told me the team has his hands full on more popular bugs already22:31
chrisccoulsoni feel a bit the same too ;)22:31
* micahg doesn't know glib yet22:31
gnomefreaka few weeks ago i heard someone say something was wrong with glib but i dont recall much of that convo22:32
chrisccoulsonthis is definitely the most disruptive cycle i remember22:32
ftasame here22:32
micahgchrisccoulson: imagine if we would've tried to land GNOME3 :)22:32
chrisccoulsoneverything still feels pretty broken considering we are only 2 months off the release22:32
chrisccoulsonmicahg - heh ;)22:32
gnomefreaks/feel pretty/is really22:33
chrisccoulsoni'm sure it will all be good eventually :)22:33
ftawell, with gnome3, we'd have the help of other distros working on it, with unity, we're alone22:33
gnomefreakpostpone release if they need to but its only happened once and dapper was no where near this bad22:33
chrisccoulsoni don't think it would be postponed, unless it was another LTS ;)22:34
gnomefreakdapper was more adding features that fixing bugs22:34
ftaimho, unity should have been prepared in the background, spanning over 2 or 3 cycles22:35
gnomefreakif a system is broken being LTS or not shouldnt matter22:35
chrisccoulsonyeah, i think people underestimated the amount of work in porting it to compiz ;)22:35
gnomefreakclassic edition is still around22:35
gnomefreakit was working with mutter22:36
gnomefreakcompiz has always been a problem IMHO22:38
ftait is, but because unity is draining all the efforts, classics's regressions remain unaddressed22:38
ftano, mutter was for UNE only, classic has metacity22:38
ftaor plain compiz22:38
chrisccoulsoni tried installing fedora F15 earlier this evening. their classic fallback session is also pretty dire22:41
chrisccoulsoni guess that their efforts also aren't directed towards that ;)22:42
gnomefreaksomething in wrong way too much lag22:43
jcastrochrisccoulson: what are the chances you have the tbird messaging menu extension installed?22:56
chrisccoulsonjcastro - probably not for this cycle (feature freeze is in 2 days) ;)22:57
chrisccoulsonwe could probably get it in the archive though22:57
jcastrochrisccoulson: no I mean installed on your computer, not in the archive22:57
chrisccoulsonoh, i misread your message there ;)22:57
chrisccoulsoni don't have it installed just yet ;)22:58
chrisccoulsonjcastro - i misread your question as "what are the chances of having the tbird messaging menu extension installed?" ;)22:59
jcastrochrisccoulson: I just need a screenshot of it working but I can't be bothered to build it right now and setup tbird, so I was just taking a stab in the dark23:02
chrisccoulsonjcastro - i will build it soon, but i'm looking at some dbusmenu crashers atm23:03
m_conleyjcastro: hey - I can get you that screenshot23:05
m_conleyjcastro: http://i.imgur.com/IQuVs.png23:14
m_conleyjcastro:  let me know if you'd like something different - though I'll have to send it tomorrow, heading home.23:14
chrisccoulsonnice :)23:14
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