| gnomefreak | any reason on why if i add minefield to unity it will not launch. it will launch if ran from terminal or menu but not from unity panel | 00:56 |
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| m_conley | chrisccoulson: ping | 14:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hi m_conley | 14:24 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hey - I was wondering, what is the best way to degrade gracefully if the libindicate service is not found? Like...my messaging menu extension just assumes that functions like indicate_server_ref_default exists | 14:25 |
| m_conley | so, how would you suggest I make my extension go inert if these functions aren't available? | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, do you mean if the service doesn't exist, or the actual libindicate library doesn't exist? | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | ah | 14:26 |
| m_conley | well | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | you'll need to do some dlopen/dlsym trickery | 14:26 |
| m_conley | hm | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=503226 as an example | 14:27 |
| m_conley | ok cool, thanks. :) | 14:27 |
| chrisccoulson | (which will degrade gracefully if glib is too old to have GSettings support) | 14:27 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hm...testing this isn't very easy. libindicate seems to be a pretty important part of Ubuntu right now... | 15:03 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hey - if you get a moment, would you mind poking around with my messaging menu extension? I'd love any feedback you might have. | 18:11 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, yeah, sure :) | 18:11 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: thanks! :) | 18:11 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, i haven't seen any bug reports since we started shipping the menubar extension for thunderbird btw | 18:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i assume that's good news ;) | 18:20 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: phew. :) Do you have any usage stats? | 18:20 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, i don't think so :( | 18:20 |
| chrisccoulson | we have popcon, but that is opt-in, and i'm not sure how accurate it is | 18:21 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: well, we had one of our UX guys look at it - besides the menu flicker (which we have a bug for), he seemed pleased with it. | 18:21 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, the menu flicker is a bit annoying | 18:21 |
| chrisccoulson | i need to talk to ted about that | 18:21 |
| davidascher | chrisccoulson: do you know on what IRC channel i could find barry warsaw? | 18:22 |
| chrisccoulson | davidascher, i think he'll be in #ubuntu-devel | 18:23 |
| davidascher | thx! | 18:23 |
| chrisccoulson | there is someone in there called barry, i just need to make sure it's the right one ;) | 18:23 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, barry is barry warsaw | 18:24 |
| chrisccoulson | fta2 - i might move the thunderbird branches around a bit later (so lp:thunderbird will start pulling from comm-central, so we get 3.3 nightlies) | 18:27 |
| chrisccoulson | and lp:thunderbird will become lp:thunderbird/3.1 (similar to how we have the firefox branches laid out already) | 18:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i guess that will affect your bot won't it? | 18:28 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I'm glad someone finally got around to that :) | 18:29 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - i haven't got round to it yet. but it's next on my list once i've investigated fta's breakpad issue ;) | 18:29 |
| gnomefreak | can we get 3.2 also? | 18:29 |
| chrisccoulson | i really want to get the 3.3 nightlies running | 18:29 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: there is no 3.2 ATM | 18:29 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I have the beginnings of it if you want me to push it up | 18:30 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok 3.3 is great for me than :) | 18:30 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - yeah, sure | 18:30 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, is the menu flicker considered a big issue btw? i *think* i have a way to partially fix it | 18:33 |
| chrisccoulson | we can quite easily delay the opening of top-level menus | 18:33 |
| chrisccoulson | but delaying the opening of the sub-menus is a lot trickier | 18:33 |
| chrisccoulson | but i think if we can delay opening the top-level menus, that will fix most cases | 18:34 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hard to say - but I think it might be one of those little papercut things. The user might not even notice what happened, but still might be a little annoyed. | 18:34 |
| chrisccoulson | the unity panel is in control of opening the top-level menus, so it should be easy to delay those | 18:34 |
| gnomefreak | unity panel + minefield == failure to work | 18:35 |
| chrisccoulson | gnomefreak, do you mean the launcher? | 18:35 |
| gnomefreak | chrisccoulson: yes | 18:35 |
| chrisccoulson | bamf ;) | 18:35 |
| gnomefreak | chrisccoulson: i can add it but it wont work. i can however launch it every other way | 18:35 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i thought asac fixed those problems | 18:36 |
| gnomefreak | not as of today | 18:36 |
| chrisccoulson | oh | 18:36 |
| gnomefreak | at least not for end user | 18:36 |
| chrisccoulson | it works here : | 18:36 |
| chrisccoulson | hmm | 18:36 |
| johnny77 | asac: Hello, I'm working on Ubuntu Community Documentation when I found this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium It automatically redirects to a page you last edited. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build I would like to create a documentation page for Chromium, but the name is used. Is that old page needed? | 18:36 |
| gnomefreak | johnny77: i get an empty page when i go to the Chromium page | 18:39 |
| gnomefreak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/ | 18:40 |
| gnomefreak | afaik help.ubuntu../community is still wiki.ubuntu | 18:40 |
| johnny77 | gnomefreak: I don't think they are the same. If you go to the link I supplied, it shows a different page briefly before redirecting. | 18:42 |
| gnomefreak | johnny77: take https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build and remove Build | 18:43 |
| gnomefreak | you get an empty linl | 18:44 |
| gnomefreak | link. notice you are using both links wiki and help.. | 18:44 |
| johnny77 | I understand that, but that is not the page I'm asking about. | 18:44 |
| johnny77 | The help page redirects to the wiki page. | 18:44 |
| gnomefreak | my point being is that the first link is redirecting you to the wiki page. not sure if all help... pages do that but with yours it does | 18:45 |
| gnomefreak | we changed the links for wiki to help..community a while ago so either link should bring you to same page. in theroy | 18:46 |
| gnomefreak | theory | 18:46 |
| gnomefreak | chrisccoulson: yeah atm minefield doesnt work (just making sure) | 18:47 |
| johnny77 | Yes. But I want to write a howtouse documentation page and the help page is the name I'd use. | 18:49 |
| gnomefreak | compare a intel P4 1.7ghz with 256mb ram to a amd 11 X2 with 4gig ram it is just amazing :) | 18:52 |
| gnomefreak | johnny77: i understand. IMPO i dont see why not but its safer to be sure | 18:53 |
| johnny77 | gnomefreak: So who can I talk to to "be sure" The help page was last edited almost two years ago. | 18:54 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: chrisccoulson asac fta2 any thoughts on best course of action. im ok with using wiki.... | 18:56 |
| gnomefreak | thats one way :) | 18:56 |
| gnomefreak | but ill get yelled at for that im sire | 18:56 |
| * micahg isn't sure what the question is | 18:56 | |
| johnny77 | micahg: I want to write a Community Help Documentation page of Chromium. The link the I would use is already used, redirecting to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build. What I need to know is if the old page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium can be deleted so that I can write my page. | 18:59 |
| micahg | johnny77: yeah, the page is out of date anyways | 19:00 |
| micahg | You might want to include a link to the build page on your help page though | 19:00 |
| johnny77 | micahg: I can certainly do that. Do you think it would be better to delete it and start over or just continue with a new version? I'm just worried about people that are subscribed to it. | 19:01 |
| micahg | johnny77: which one? | 19:02 |
| gnomefreak | well if the build page isnt current or at least it doesnt work than replace otherwise if the info there still works than keep it (saves you some work) | 19:02 |
| johnny77 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium | 19:03 |
| micahg | johnny77: there's nothing there at the moment | 19:04 |
| johnny77 | micahg: For my it redirects to a new page. Is that what you are getting? | 19:05 |
| gnomefreak | it redirects to build and kind of sloppy too. i dont ever remember seeing a section of first page before redirect in wiki docs before | 19:05 |
| micahg | johnny77: yes, so you can get rid of the redirect | 19:05 |
| johnny77 | micahg: Thank you. | 19:05 |
| micahg | johnny77: thank you for helping with the documentation | 19:06 |
| johnny77 | micahg: no problem. | 19:06 |
| * gnomefreak cant believe the determination some people have when it comes to trolling/spamming/so on | 19:07 | |
| gnomefreak | ok need a break before i get back to him | 19:07 |
| fta | johnny77, the build instructions are mostly obsolete, the whole 64bit section should go | 19:37 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, ACK the tb changes, let me know when you're ready to do it | 19:37 |
| * gnomefreak finally owns a 64bit system :) | 19:40 | |
| gnomefreak | ive been wanting one since before dapper | 19:40 |
| gnomefreak | i used to have a few launchpad search engines for firefox. what did i not install or was it taken out of | 19:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok it seems if i create a launcher on my desktop useing the command firefox-4.0 it launches. i dragged it to unity panel and it launches now. so i have to guess that the launcher command gets changed from menu to panel | 20:14 |
| gnomefreak | ok maybe not | 20:25 |
| gnomefreak | from desktop it works but cant drag it to the pael(i guess it was already running) but now it will only launch from desktop launcher and menu items | 20:26 |
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| m_conley | chrisccoulson: ping | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | hi m_conley | 22:09 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: hey - just some clarification for my question from a few hours ago: so, say we include my messaging menu component binary with the linux version of TB...what would happen on systems where libindicate did not exist? | 22:10 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: or is libindicate ubiquitous enough so that this would not be an issue? | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, i think it's only ubuntu using it so far | 22:11 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: alright - and if PR_LoadLibrary("libindicate.so") returns NULL, is this sufficient to determine that libindicate is not available? | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, yeah, as long as you're also using PR_FindFunctionSymbol to bind the symbols too | 22:13 |
| m_conley | chrisccoulson: alright, gotcha - thanks. | 22:13 |
| chrisccoulson | m_conley, although, you'd need to load libindicate.so.5 as libindicate.so is only shipped in the -dev package | 22:14 |
| m_conley | right - forgot to add that part, but yeah, I have that. :) | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | fta, we should be able to publish bug 538796 tomorrow \o/ | 22:20 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 538796 in moon "cannot open Firefox/Chromium/Google Chrome when libmoon is installed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538796 | 22:20 |
| chrisccoulson | the reports just needed a bit of a push ;) | 22:20 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: great job on that one :) | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it wasn't me who figured it out ;) | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | that was evmar and one of the moonlight guys | 22:21 |
| fta | great | 22:22 |
| fta | micahg, openarena regressed :( | 22:23 |
| fta | micahg, i'm now hitting debian 611336 | 22:24 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 611336 in openarena "openarena: The game does not quit when I confirm it." [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/611336 | 22:24 |
| micahg | fta: I'll take a look later this evening | 22:25 |
| fta | i have so many regressions in natty.. | 22:26 |
| gnomefreak | most of the regresions i am seeing are related to unity/compiz | 22:27 |
| micahg | fta: sorry, I thought I was pulling in some useful changes | 22:29 |
| fta | i see tons of glib-dbus regressions | 22:29 |
| fta | unity is expected, it's miles away from feature parity | 22:30 |
| micahg | fta: I'd suggest filing them if you have time, we're 2 months out and that won't be good for the platform | 22:30 |
| fta | micahg, i do, but seb128 told me the team has his hands full on more popular bugs already | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i feel a bit the same too ;) | 22:31 |
| micahg | :( | 22:31 |
| * micahg doesn't know glib yet | 22:31 | |
| gnomefreak | a few weeks ago i heard someone say something was wrong with glib but i dont recall much of that convo | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | this is definitely the most disruptive cycle i remember | 22:32 |
| fta | same here | 22:32 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: imagine if we would've tried to land GNOME3 :) | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | everything still feels pretty broken considering we are only 2 months off the release | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - heh ;) | 22:32 |
| gnomefreak | s/feel pretty/is really | 22:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm sure it will all be good eventually :) | 22:33 |
| fta | well, with gnome3, we'd have the help of other distros working on it, with unity, we're alone | 22:33 |
| gnomefreak | postpone release if they need to but its only happened once and dapper was no where near this bad | 22:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think it would be postponed, unless it was another LTS ;) | 22:34 |
| gnomefreak | dapper was more adding features that fixing bugs | 22:34 |
| gnomefreak | s/that.than | 22:34 |
| fta | imho, unity should have been prepared in the background, spanning over 2 or 3 cycles | 22:35 |
| gnomefreak | if a system is broken being LTS or not shouldnt matter | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think people underestimated the amount of work in porting it to compiz ;) | 22:35 |
| gnomefreak | classic edition is still around | 22:35 |
| gnomefreak | it was working with mutter | 22:36 |
| gnomefreak | compiz has always been a problem IMHO | 22:38 |
| fta | it is, but because unity is draining all the efforts, classics's regressions remain unaddressed | 22:38 |
| fta | no, mutter was for UNE only, classic has metacity | 22:38 |
| fta | or plain compiz | 22:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i tried installing fedora F15 earlier this evening. their classic fallback session is also pretty dire | 22:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i guess that their efforts also aren't directed towards that ;) | 22:42 |
| gnomefreak | something in wrong way too much lag | 22:43 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: what are the chances you have the tbird messaging menu extension installed? | 22:56 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - probably not for this cycle (feature freeze is in 2 days) ;) | 22:57 |
| chrisccoulson | we could probably get it in the archive though | 22:57 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: no I mean installed on your computer, not in the archive | 22:57 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, i misread your message there ;) | 22:57 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 22:57 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't have it installed just yet ;) | 22:58 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - i misread your question as "what are the chances of having the tbird messaging menu extension installed?" ;) | 22:59 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: I just need a screenshot of it working but I can't be bothered to build it right now and setup tbird, so I was just taking a stab in the dark | 23:02 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - i will build it soon, but i'm looking at some dbusmenu crashers atm | 23:03 |
| m_conley | jcastro: hey - I can get you that screenshot | 23:05 |
| m_conley | jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/IQuVs.png | 23:14 |
| m_conley | jcastro: let me know if you'd like something different - though I'll have to send it tomorrow, heading home. | 23:14 |
| chrisccoulson | nice :) | 23:14 |
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