[00:56] any reason on why if i add minefield to unity it will not launch. it will launch if ran from terminal or menu but not from unity panel === asac_ is now known as asac === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:24] chrisccoulson: ping [14:24] hi m_conley [14:25] chrisccoulson: hey - I was wondering, what is the best way to degrade gracefully if the libindicate service is not found? Like...my messaging menu extension just assumes that functions like indicate_server_ref_default exists [14:26] so, how would you suggest I make my extension go inert if these functions aren't available? [14:26] m_conley, do you mean if the service doesn't exist, or the actual libindicate library doesn't exist? [14:26] ah [14:26] well [14:26] you'll need to do some dlopen/dlsym trickery [14:26] hm [14:27] m_conley, have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=503226 as an example [14:27] ok cool, thanks. :) [14:27] (which will degrade gracefully if glib is too old to have GSettings support) [15:03] chrisccoulson: hm...testing this isn't very easy. libindicate seems to be a pretty important part of Ubuntu right now... [18:11] chrisccoulson: hey - if you get a moment, would you mind poking around with my messaging menu extension? I'd love any feedback you might have. [18:11] m_conley, yeah, sure :) [18:11] chrisccoulson: thanks! :) [18:20] m_conley, i haven't seen any bug reports since we started shipping the menubar extension for thunderbird btw [18:20] i assume that's good news ;) [18:20] chrisccoulson: phew. :) Do you have any usage stats? [18:20] m_conley, i don't think so :( [18:21] we have popcon, but that is opt-in, and i'm not sure how accurate it is [18:21] chrisccoulson: well, we had one of our UX guys look at it - besides the menu flicker (which we have a bug for), he seemed pleased with it. [18:21] yeah, the menu flicker is a bit annoying [18:21] i need to talk to ted about that [18:22] chrisccoulson: do you know on what IRC channel i could find barry warsaw? [18:23] davidascher, i think he'll be in #ubuntu-devel [18:23] thx! [18:23] there is someone in there called barry, i just need to make sure it's the right one ;) [18:24] yeah, barry is barry warsaw [18:27] fta2 - i might move the thunderbird branches around a bit later (so lp:thunderbird will start pulling from comm-central, so we get 3.3 nightlies) [18:28] and lp:thunderbird will become lp:thunderbird/3.1 (similar to how we have the firefox branches laid out already) [18:28] i guess that will affect your bot won't it? [18:29] chrisccoulson: I'm glad someone finally got around to that :) [18:29] micahg - i haven't got round to it yet. but it's next on my list once i've investigated fta's breakpad issue ;) [18:29] can we get 3.2 also? [18:29] i really want to get the 3.3 nightlies running [18:29] gnomefreak: there is no 3.2 ATM [18:30] chrisccoulson: I have the beginnings of it if you want me to push it up [18:30] ah ok 3.3 is great for me than :) [18:30] micahg - yeah, sure [18:33] m_conley, is the menu flicker considered a big issue btw? i *think* i have a way to partially fix it [18:33] we can quite easily delay the opening of top-level menus [18:33] but delaying the opening of the sub-menus is a lot trickier [18:34] but i think if we can delay opening the top-level menus, that will fix most cases [18:34] chrisccoulson: hard to say - but I think it might be one of those little papercut things. The user might not even notice what happened, but still might be a little annoyed. [18:34] the unity panel is in control of opening the top-level menus, so it should be easy to delay those [18:35] unity panel + minefield == failure to work [18:35] gnomefreak, do you mean the launcher? [18:35] chrisccoulson: yes [18:35] bamf ;) [18:35] chrisccoulson: i can add it but it wont work. i can however launch it every other way [18:36] although, i thought asac fixed those problems [18:36] not as of today [18:36] oh [18:36] at least not for end user [18:36] it works here : [18:36] hmm [18:36] asac: Hello, I'm working on Ubuntu Community Documentation when I found this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium It automatically redirects to a page you last edited. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build I would like to create a documentation page for Chromium, but the name is used. Is that old page needed? [18:39] johnny77: i get an empty page when i go to the Chromium page [18:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/ [18:40] afaik help.ubuntu../community is still wiki.ubuntu [18:42] gnomefreak: I don't think they are the same. If you go to the link I supplied, it shows a different page briefly before redirecting. [18:43] johnny77: take https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build and remove Build [18:44] you get an empty linl [18:44] link. notice you are using both links wiki and help.. [18:44] I understand that, but that is not the page I'm asking about. [18:44] The help page redirects to the wiki page. [18:45] my point being is that the first link is redirecting you to the wiki page. not sure if all help... pages do that but with yours it does [18:46] we changed the links for wiki to help..community a while ago so either link should bring you to same page. in theroy [18:46] theory [18:47] chrisccoulson: yeah atm minefield doesnt work (just making sure) [18:49] Yes. But I want to write a howtouse documentation page and the help page is the name I'd use. [18:52] compare a intel P4 1.7ghz with 256mb ram to a amd 11 X2 with 4gig ram it is just amazing :) [18:53] johnny77: i understand. IMPO i dont see why not but its safer to be sure [18:54] gnomefreak: So who can I talk to to "be sure" The help page was last edited almost two years ago. [18:56] micahg: chrisccoulson asac fta2 any thoughts on best course of action. im ok with using wiki.... [18:56] thats one way :) [18:56] but ill get yelled at for that im sire [18:56] * micahg isn't sure what the question is [18:59] micahg: I want to write a Community Help Documentation page of Chromium. The link the I would use is already used, redirecting to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build. What I need to know is if the old page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium can be deleted so that I can write my page. [19:00] johnny77: yeah, the page is out of date anyways [19:00] You might want to include a link to the build page on your help page though [19:01] micahg: I can certainly do that. Do you think it would be better to delete it and start over or just continue with a new version? I'm just worried about people that are subscribed to it. [19:02] johnny77: which one? [19:02] well if the build page isnt current or at least it doesnt work than replace otherwise if the info there still works than keep it (saves you some work) [19:03] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium [19:04] johnny77: there's nothing there at the moment [19:05] micahg: For my it redirects to a new page. Is that what you are getting? [19:05] it redirects to build and kind of sloppy too. i dont ever remember seeing a section of first page before redirect in wiki docs before [19:05] johnny77: yes, so you can get rid of the redirect [19:05] micahg: Thank you. [19:06] johnny77: thank you for helping with the documentation [19:06] micahg: no problem. [19:07] * gnomefreak cant believe the determination some people have when it comes to trolling/spamming/so on [19:07] ok need a break before i get back to him [19:37] johnny77, the build instructions are mostly obsolete, the whole 64bit section should go [19:37] chrisccoulson, ACK the tb changes, let me know when you're ready to do it [19:40] * gnomefreak finally owns a 64bit system :) [19:40] ive been wanting one since before dapper [19:55] i used to have a few launchpad search engines for firefox. what did i not install or was it taken out of [20:14] ok it seems if i create a launcher on my desktop useing the command firefox-4.0 it launches. i dragged it to unity panel and it launches now. so i have to guess that the launcher command gets changed from menu to panel [20:25] ok maybe not [20:26] from desktop it works but cant drag it to the pael(i guess it was already running) but now it will only launch from desktop launcher and menu items === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [22:06] chrisccoulson: ping [22:09] hi m_conley [22:10] chrisccoulson: hey - just some clarification for my question from a few hours ago: so, say we include my messaging menu component binary with the linux version of TB...what would happen on systems where libindicate did not exist? [22:10] chrisccoulson: or is libindicate ubiquitous enough so that this would not be an issue? [22:11] m_conley, i think it's only ubuntu using it so far [22:11] chrisccoulson: alright - and if PR_LoadLibrary("libindicate.so") returns NULL, is this sufficient to determine that libindicate is not available? [22:13] m_conley, yeah, as long as you're also using PR_FindFunctionSymbol to bind the symbols too [22:13] chrisccoulson: alright, gotcha - thanks. [22:14] m_conley, although, you'd need to load libindicate.so.5 as libindicate.so is only shipped in the -dev package [22:14] right - forgot to add that part, but yeah, I have that. :) [22:20] fta, we should be able to publish bug 538796 tomorrow \o/ [22:20] Launchpad bug 538796 in moon "cannot open Firefox/Chromium/Google Chrome when libmoon is installed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538796 [22:20] the reports just needed a bit of a push ;) [22:21] chrisccoulson: great job on that one :) [22:21] well, it wasn't me who figured it out ;) [22:21] that was evmar and one of the moonlight guys [22:22] great [22:23] micahg, openarena regressed :( [22:24] micahg, i'm now hitting debian 611336 [22:24] Debian bug 611336 in openarena "openarena: The game does not quit when I confirm it." [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/611336 [22:25] fta: I'll take a look later this evening [22:26] i have so many regressions in natty.. [22:27] most of the regresions i am seeing are related to unity/compiz [22:29] fta: sorry, I thought I was pulling in some useful changes [22:29] i see tons of glib-dbus regressions [22:30] unity is expected, it's miles away from feature parity [22:30] fta: I'd suggest filing them if you have time, we're 2 months out and that won't be good for the platform [22:31] micahg, i do, but seb128 told me the team has his hands full on more popular bugs already [22:31] i feel a bit the same too ;) [22:31] :( [22:31] * micahg doesn't know glib yet [22:32] a few weeks ago i heard someone say something was wrong with glib but i dont recall much of that convo [22:32] this is definitely the most disruptive cycle i remember [22:32] same here [22:32] chrisccoulson: imagine if we would've tried to land GNOME3 :) [22:32] everything still feels pretty broken considering we are only 2 months off the release [22:32] micahg - heh ;) [22:33] s/feel pretty/is really [22:33] i'm sure it will all be good eventually :) [22:33] well, with gnome3, we'd have the help of other distros working on it, with unity, we're alone [22:33] postpone release if they need to but its only happened once and dapper was no where near this bad [22:34] i don't think it would be postponed, unless it was another LTS ;) [22:34] dapper was more adding features that fixing bugs [22:34] s/that.than [22:35] imho, unity should have been prepared in the background, spanning over 2 or 3 cycles [22:35] if a system is broken being LTS or not shouldnt matter [22:35] yeah, i think people underestimated the amount of work in porting it to compiz ;) [22:35] classic edition is still around [22:36] it was working with mutter [22:38] compiz has always been a problem IMHO [22:38] it is, but because unity is draining all the efforts, classics's regressions remain unaddressed [22:38] no, mutter was for UNE only, classic has metacity [22:38] or plain compiz [22:41] i tried installing fedora F15 earlier this evening. their classic fallback session is also pretty dire [22:42] i guess that their efforts also aren't directed towards that ;) [22:43] something in wrong way too much lag [22:56] chrisccoulson: what are the chances you have the tbird messaging menu extension installed? [22:57] jcastro - probably not for this cycle (feature freeze is in 2 days) ;) [22:57] we could probably get it in the archive though [22:57] chrisccoulson: no I mean installed on your computer, not in the archive [22:57] oh, i misread your message there ;) [22:57] lol [22:58] i don't have it installed just yet ;) [22:59] jcastro - i misread your question as "what are the chances of having the tbird messaging menu extension installed?" ;) [23:02] chrisccoulson: I just need a screenshot of it working but I can't be bothered to build it right now and setup tbird, so I was just taking a stab in the dark [23:03] jcastro - i will build it soon, but i'm looking at some dbusmenu crashers atm [23:05] jcastro: hey - I can get you that screenshot [23:14] jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/IQuVs.png [23:14] jcastro: let me know if you'd like something different - though I'll have to send it tomorrow, heading home. [23:14] nice :) === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away