[00:01]  * ajmitch wonders how much of christchurch got flattened in that one
[00:03] <hads> Yeah, felt that well here.
[00:04] <ajmitch> felt it in dunedin, so it was fairly strong
[00:05] <Atamira> they had another quake?
[00:05] <Atamira> and afternoon
[00:05] <ojwb> http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/
[00:05] <ojwb> big smear at the RHS!
[00:07] <Atamira> dammit
[00:07] <Atamira> day after i leave chch too
[00:07] <hads> Sounds pretty big
[00:07] <hads> 6.3 just appeared on geonet
[00:08] <hads> 10km SE of CHC
[00:08] <ojwb> they often adjust the magnitude a bit from the initial though
[00:08] <Atamira> my friend in chc says hes used to them now
[00:08] <Atamira> doesnt even notice if theres a quake
[00:08] <Atamira> none of them i met the weekend did
[00:08] <ajmitch> I think they would have noticed this one
[00:09] <Atamira> ill ask them later
[00:09] <Atamira> oh scratch that
[00:09] <Atamira> ill txt him
[00:09] <hads> There's phone/elec/water broken in places.
[00:10] <ojwb> hmm, it's quite shallow too
[00:11] <ajmitch> not bad enough to cut internet connectivity through to the south
[00:16] <hads> Yeah, some CHC people in other channel have gone away but I presume that's localised.
[00:22] <ojwb> hmm, it seems to be practically on a highway through a tunnel
[00:22] <ojwb> SH74
[00:23] <ajmitch> the lyttleton tunnel? that could be messy
[00:23] <ojwb> yes, that's probably the one
[00:23] <ojwb> http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fmagma.geonet.org.nz%2Fservices%2Fquake%2Fkml%2F2.2%2Fsearch%3FexternalRef%3D3468575&ie=UTF8&ll=-43.596725,172.714477&spn=0.00965,0.016673&t=h&z=16
[00:27] <hads> That tunnel is pretty sturdy.
[00:27] <ojwb> well, that's good
[00:27] <ojwb> i was thinking they wouldn't have really factored big earthquakes into the design in that area
[00:29] <hads> I had a tour through that tunnel a few years back, was very interesting.
[00:29] <ojwb> seems stuff.co.nz and nzherald.co.nz aren't happy
[00:29] <ojwb> i wonder if that's load from everyone going to read them
[00:29] <ajmitch> probably a few too many people visiting those sites
[00:30] <ajmitch> geonet probably got another big load spike, too
[00:30] <ojwb> seems more likely than having colocated in chch
[00:30] <ojwb> yeah, but they're built for that
[00:30] <ajmitch> pretty sure stuff.co.nz is in wellington
[00:30] <hads> TV3 news has interesting footage at the moment
[00:31] <chilts> yep, in Welly, and Auckland too
[00:31]  * chilts used to work on Stuff
[00:31] <hads> Catalyst isn't it?
[00:32] <chilts> yep
[01:00] <ojwb> http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1298336332/489/4688489.jpg
[01:00] <ojwb> cathedral spire is toast
[01:02] <ajmitch> the building isn't quite as destroyed as twitter rumours say
[01:02] <ibeardslee> it'll be a mission to get it back as it was
[01:05] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:06] <ojwb> john key is going to try to fly down to see what it is like on the ground
[01:07] <ojwb> I can save him the flight - it's covered in rubble
[01:07] <ajmitch> but he has to be there to show his solidarity with the people, it's election year after all
[01:07] <ibeardslee> kewl .. pity the RSA had already had rocks land on it .. could have tried to co-ordinate that a bit better
[01:08] <ojwb> hmm, stuff could do with some copy editing
[01:08] <ojwb> repeated text and "The earthquake happened at a shallow depth of five to six metres below ground."
[01:08] <ibeardslee> yeah
[01:10] <ibeardslee> Police are saying multiple fatalities have been reported at several locations in the central city
[01:11] <ojwb> having watched the tv footage, I'd be amazed if nobody had been killed this time
[01:11] <ibeardslee> http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/27193.html
[01:12] <ojwb> though one guy was talking about having helped some people out and failed to help a guy buried up to his waist in rubble, then they panned the camera and the building was just a heap of debris
[01:12] <ojwb> so it's amazing what you can get out of uninjured
[01:16] <ojwb> hmm, the police say that chch hospital is not evacuated
[01:16] <ojwb> the news repeatedly said it had been
[01:17] <ojwb> not totally helpful
[01:47] <Atamira> i dont know whethere to be happy or sad
[01:47] <Atamira> that happened 1 1/2hrs after i left chch
[01:49] <ibeardslee> that was lucky
[01:49] <ibeardslee> our people down there are ok
[01:49] <ojwb> Atamira: I'd go for happy
[01:50] <Atamira> true
[01:50] <Atamira> ive never been in an earthquake
[01:50] <ajmitch> Atamira: well you wouldn't have been leaving any time soon
[01:50] <ojwb> if you get the choice, happy is better
[01:51] <Atamira> but it would have been a valid excuse to not have to go to work
[01:51] <ajmitch> imagine if you'd been stuck in the city for a few days because of it?
[01:52] <ajmitch> & there goes another one that we could feel in dunedin....
[01:53] <wgrant> That's not good.
[01:53] <chilts> ajmitch: you just felt another just then?
[01:53] <chilts> :(
[01:53] <ibeardslee>  All NZ airspace shut down - central air traffic control in  Christchurch hit by massive earthquake
[01:53] <ibeardslee> not much flying going on
[01:53] <ajmitch> chilts: yep
[01:54] <chilts> geonet: 6.3, 4.5, 4.4, 4.0 ... and still your one to come
[01:56] <Atamira> my friend lives close to the centre of the city
[01:56] <Atamira> but not in the city
[01:56] <Atamira> so i wouldntve been near it
[01:57] <Atamira> i was in the square last thurs tho.
[01:57] <Atamira> shame about the cathedral
[01:57] <Atamira> if they dont fix any of the other old buildings
[01:57] <Atamira> i hope they fix that one
[01:57] <Atamira> its an icon to the city
[01:59] <ojwb> my geophysicist gf is wondering if there could be an aftershock off shore
[01:59] <ojwb> some of them are pretty close to the sea
[02:01] <chilts> anyone know where http://ubuntu-nz.org and can anyone get it?
[02:01] <chilts> I know this isn't important at the moment, but am just wondering
[02:01] <ajmitch> chilts: it just points to the wiki
[02:02] <ajmitch> or at least it should
[02:02] <chilts> ok
[02:02] <chilts> I never saw it in the title until just now :)
[02:02] <ibeardslee> someone was talking about following that up .. who was that?
[02:02] <ajmitch> uh, I think I said that we should, but it was never clear who'd do it :)
[02:04] <ibeardslee> ahhh
[02:04] <ojwb> seems to be owned by canonical
[02:05] <ojwb> the domain I mean
[02:07] <ajmitch> yeah, I can probably find the right people to talk to about it
[02:07] <chilts> ajmitch: that one you felt at 2:50 was a 5.5 and another shallow one (5km), centered on Lyttleton again
[02:07] <chilts> Lyttelton
[02:07] <ojwb> the one ajmitch felt just now was 5.5
[02:07] <ojwb> snap!
[02:07] <chilts> :)
[02:08] <chilts> the GeoNet recent quakes page is mostly Chch
[02:08] <ajmitch> so all these are just a practice run for a big one in wellignton :)
[02:08] <chilts> it's on the BBC now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12533291
[02:09] <ojwb> hmm, that one was in a harbour
[02:10] <ajmitch> ojwb: is that significant?
[02:10] <ojwb> well, being offshore makes a tsunami more likely
[02:10] <ojwb> which wouldn't be good
[02:14] <ojwb> then they'd just need the banks peninsula to become an active volcano...
[02:20] <ojwb> http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/earthquake-send-kiwi-dollar-plunging-db-86655
[02:20] <ojwb> apparently 0.88 cents is a plunge
[02:23] <mcgillicutty> earthquake??
[02:24] <ibeardslee> in Christchurch
[02:24] <ajmitch> yeah, a little bit of a shake
[02:24] <mcgillicutty> just saw it on the news.  Earthquakes seem to be becoming more and more common
[02:25] <Hoggs> This one seems to have done far more damage than the last
[02:26] <ibeardslee> yes .. deaths have been reported
[02:26] <ibeardslee> more buildings collapsed
[02:27] <Hoggs> Right at lunch time.. worst time it could have happened
[02:38] <snail> did a recent update break cups for anyone else?
[02:38] <hads> snail: Yes
[02:38] <hads> cups backend failed or somesuch
[02:38] <snail> did a restart ressurect things, or was more poking needed?
[02:39] <hads> Nope, still broken
[02:39] <hads> /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed
[04:18] <ojwb> the canterbury ring laser is down - we're open to alien attack! http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/
[04:32] <hads> heh
[05:41] <ojwb> hmm, I hope the weather is better in Christchurch than Wellington
[05:42] <lifeless> raining
[05:43] <ojwb> that's not going to make life much fun for anyone having to camp out the night
[05:45] <lifeless> indeed
[08:36] <karora> lifeless: Are you in Chch?
[08:37] <lifeless> rangiora
[08:37] <karora> Ah, OK.
[08:37] <karora> Any DDs in Chch itself?
[08:38]  * karora has been fielding the traditional "Are you OK?" e-mails from folk in Europe & the US...
[09:35] <lifeless> dunno
[18:55] <ajmitch> morning
[19:04] <Bacta> Sup
[19:05] <Atamira> mornin
[19:05] <Bacta> Hi Atamira, how's things?
[19:06] <Atamira> good thanks
[19:06] <Bacta> Have any family in Christchurch?
[19:06] <Atamira> and you?
[19:07] <Bacta> I'm okayish
[19:07] <Atamira> yes, and family is fine
[19:07] <Atamira> so are friends
[19:07] <Bacta> That's good
[19:07] <Bacta> Mine are too apparently, was a bitch getting in contact with them though
[19:07] <Bacta> Was worried about one family member because she was working in a building that was red stickered after the Sept earthquake
[19:10] <Atamira> yeah. we've been watching the news all night
[19:10] <Atamira> its affecting work as well
[19:10] <Atamira> communications in chch is restricted use.
[19:11] <Bacta> You live there?
[19:15] <Atamira> no, but i was on holiday there over the weekend for 5 days
[19:15] <Atamira> flew back to akld monday
[19:15] <Bacta> I was there on Saturday and Sunday
[19:15] <Atamira> i was there from thurs to monday
[19:15] <Atamira> my friends down there are ok
[19:15] <Atamira> as are my family
[19:15] <Bacta> Wow, dodged a bullet
[19:15] <Atamira> it wouldnt have been that bad for me
[19:15] <Bacta> I'm sorry but why the hell are tomaw, ikonia and elky in here? They're not Kiwis
[19:16] <Atamira> i wasnt in the town centre. already did that friday
[19:16] <Bacta> Ah yep?
[19:16] <ikonia> my sinceer best wishesto you all in .nz, be very careful out there
[19:17] <Bacta> *sincere *wishes to
[19:17] <Bacta> You're supposed to be English
[19:17] <ikonia> yes,
[19:17] <Atamira> ty ikonia
[19:17] <ikonia>  Bacta "too" not to
[19:18]  * Bacta headdesk 
[19:18] <ikonia> Bacta: so don't get smart with me
[19:18] <Bacta> I hope you're joking
[19:18] <ikonia> no
[19:19] <ajmitch> people, please just shut up & behave, we don't need the aggro here
[19:19] <ikonia> how bad is the damage at the moment ?
[19:19] <Atamira> pretty bad
[19:19] <ajmitch> bad enough, judging from the photos I've seen
[19:19] <Atamira> communications is down, power is out. water has to be boiled
[19:19] <ikonia> the news in Europe is a bit bland due to the A/P political news being headlines
[19:20] <ikonia> Atamira: ok, so pretty much the back to raw basics
[19:20] <Bacta> Look for a NZ source perhaps?
[19:20] <ikonia> Bacta: europe isn't keen on broadcasting NZ sources, it tends to pickup the mail networks and just highlight coverage from NZ rather than play it properly
[19:20] <Bacta> The mayor is on TV again
[19:20] <ikonia> the riots in the middle east are taking headlines away from this
[19:20] <Atamira> ikonia, yeah.
[19:21] <ikonia> Atamira: what's the aid situation like, it looks a little lacking from here
[19:23] <Atamira> so far, no idea
[19:23] <Atamira> right now they are just concentrating on getting ppl out of collapsed buildings
[19:23] <Atamira> the army went in last night to help as well
[19:23] <ikonia> is there any official news death toll at the moment, the european numbers seem a little scaled back
[19:24] <Atamira> officially, we have confirmed 35 deaths.
[19:24] <Atamira> but the full tally is still in the estimates
[19:24] <ajmitch> unofficially, it's looking a lot higher than that
[19:24] <ikonia> that's actually better than we are getting reported
[19:24] <ajmitch> 2-300?
[19:25] <Atamira> true
[19:25] <Atamira> cause so many are unaccountable
[19:25] <Atamira> we can only hope for the best
[19:25] <ikonia> Atamira: 200 is the european current predication
[19:26] <ikonia> to be honest if it's only 200 I think you will have done "well" due to the size of the devistation, not that it is acceptable to lose any life
[19:26] <ikonia> it just looks like there should be more
[19:27] <ajmitch> looks like my ISP's network is congested again
[19:27] <Atamira> so far, we've been told its 65
[19:27] <Atamira> but that was again an estimate
[19:27] <ikonia> keep yourselves safe,
[19:27] <ajmitch> it could well be over 200 though, hard to know for a few days, I suspect
[19:27] <Atamira> yeah
[19:27] <Atamira> they are telling ppl to stay home
[19:28] <Atamira> i wonder if my friends will go to work
[19:28] <Atamira> they moved buildings cause the other one was unsafe
[19:28] <Atamira> and this new building was single story
[19:31] <ikonia> I bet a lot of people will want to work in single story buildings after this
[19:31] <hads> Huh? Where did that agro come from? Everyone is welcome here.
[19:31] <hads> Morning all
[19:31] <ajmitch> hads: he has a history with certain people :)
[19:31] <hads> Oh, maybe everyone isn't welcome then :)
[19:32] <ajmitch> everyone's welcome if they can behave
[19:33] <ikonia> common sense
[19:34]  * ajmitch heard from a friend via facebook, he got to spend about 7 hours helping get people out of a building yesterday
[19:34] <ikonia> that's the hope that the guys who can help each other
[19:37] <ikonia> is there solid medical support at the moment ?
[19:38] <ajmitch> from what I know, there is, hospitals around the country have been cleared out to take in people from christchurch
[19:39] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:40] <hads> Yeah as far as anyone knows from outside Christchurch search and rescue + medical is going fine.
[19:42] <Atamira> latest news said that alot of the ops for this week have been postponed and chch ops are being sent up here for them
[19:43] <hads> Hospital was cleaned out of non-acute people yesterday afternoon
[19:46] <Atamira> armourguard have sent ppl down there
[19:46] <Atamira> and one of my work collegues, her flatmate was sent down for work and rescue stuff with dogs
[20:24] <mwhudson> good morning
[21:19] <snail> this earthquake stuff; it's happened before: http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/Cyc03Cycl-fig-Cyc03Cycl0555b.html http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/Gov06_01Rail-fig-Gov06_01Rail024a.html http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-NHSJ06_03-t1-body1-d1-d5.html