[02:37] <rww> mneptok: fyi, the user you banned in BT#37735 changed their ident; I replaced the ban with one that has another * in there.
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to make certain factoids *always* redirect to /query instead of replying in-channel?
[06:13] <Jordan_U> Why?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> So I stop getting hilights from !stats in -ot :P
[06:13] <rww> tinyurl it then
[06:13] <Flannel> or tell your client to ignore that particular string
[06:14] <rww> or change the link to just have mine in it, since it links to the others ;P
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> (People call it instead of bookmarking the page, apparently)
[06:14] <rww> s/link/factoid/
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: I've never tried an ignore by other than nick.  I suppose that should be possible though, eh?
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: Is it possible (in irssi) to not fully ignore, but rather "exempt" from hilight?
[06:15] <Flannel> !stats-#ubuntu-offtopic | tonyyarusso
[06:15] <Flannel> FTFY!
[06:16]  * rww giggles
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> lol
[06:17] <tonyyarusso> Ask a silly question....get mocked in return.
[06:17] <Jordan_U> You also need to specify *how* to ask for it in a query, /msg ubottu stats gives me ubottu's stats :)
[06:18] <rww> Jordan_U: only because you're logged into ubottu, I'd guess
[06:19] <Jordan_U> rww: Still, you'd need to use !stats-#ubuntu-offtopic to get the factoid.
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> rww: No - it's a channel-specific factoid
[06:19] <rww> tonyyarusso: you misunderstand
[06:19] <rww> @stats
[06:19] <rww> /msg ubottu stats returns that for at least ubottu-loggedin users.
[06:20] <rww> there is no non-channel-specific !stats ;)
[06:30] <mneptok> @login
[06:32] <mneptok> rww: oh ... THAT guy.
[06:59] <jussi> Mr bazhang, if you are about, pls query me.
[06:59] <KB1JWQ> DCC exploiter.
[07:00] <jussi> also, anyone who has spent time in Hongkong, any recommendations for a good hotel?
[07:03] <rww> Random statistic: my calculator and some grepping of ircd-seven's source say the ban list fills up in 2 months.
[07:03] <rww> (from now, that is)
[07:20] <KB1JWQ> rww: Yeah, the way the banlist is handled in #ubuntu is kinda nutsy.
[07:20] <KB1JWQ> rww: If you want my personal unsolicited opinion, that is. :-)
[07:20] <KB1JWQ> Dynamic IPs that've been blocked for 60 days?
[07:21] <KB1JWQ> How many of these banned people were one time offenders who've long since lost interest?
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> lots
[07:25] <rww> KB1JWQ: Yeah, it needs fixing, in my newbie op opinion. Not sure how yet.
[07:26] <rww> I just pie charted who's responsible for what percentage of active +b and +q in there. Poking a couple of people to do cleanup might be useful.
[07:27]  * tonyyarusso would like to see said chart
[07:27] <rww> (although the value of running statistics against a data set where 53/300 are "unknown" is questionable)
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> What, you didn't take the time to look up all the netsplit ones in the bt?
[07:27] <KB1JWQ> I'd probably run a "clear bans" on it some night when folks are going to be around, and start it back up at zro.
[07:27] <rww> tonyyarusso: I'm pondering how to do that automatically without making BT fall over.
[07:27] <KB1JWQ> zero*
[07:28] <rww> KB1JWQ: We kinda did that already a few months ago
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> rww: BT falls over if you look at it, so good luck :P
[07:28] <Flannel> rww: ask someone for the db!
[07:28] <rww> KB1JWQ: d(bans)/dt of http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans.html is just a little problematic.
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> I actually think it would make sense to make that "clear all bans that lack comments and are older than X" a cron job.  Perhaps run it every week, and anything older than two weeks without a comment goes buh-bye.
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Otherwise it will just fill up again like before.
[07:29] <rww> nhandler put an item about it on the IRCC agenda, so I've been pondering, hence the pie chart
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> WHOA
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> Am I reading that long-term graph right?  We're already back where we were?
[07:30] <rww> tonyyarusso: as I said earlier, my calculator and I think we have 2 months.
[07:31] <rww> It was 1 month before the FloodBot bans got nuked.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> uncool
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> I can count my bans across the namespace on my fingers, so...not it!
[07:32] <Jordan_U> KB1JWQ: Other than "dynamic" or "dyn" in the hostmask is there a good way to tell that an ip has been dynamically allocated?
[07:32] <KB1JWQ> The way I handle it is that in channels I'm responsible for, Eir watches every ban that gets set.  After an interval (24 hours) eir starts whining about the ban every 10 minutes or so.
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> Hey Pici, when you think of it sometime send me the Munin plugin you're using for that.
[07:32] <KB1JWQ> So either you remove the ban, you set an expiry on it using the bantracker syntax, or you go mad with eir nattering at you.
[07:32] <rww> there are 10 bans set with "dyn" in the nick, btw
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> (It is Pici, right?)
[07:33] <rww> tonyyarusso: yes
[07:33]  * Jordan_U needs to do some housekeeping
[07:33] <KB1JWQ> It makes the ban tracking channel a bit "chatty" but that's okay.
[07:33] <rww> Jordan_U: I already /did/ housekeeping and still have more than you >.>
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> KB1JWQ: I'd very much not want ubottu harassing me about my bans - I'd rather have it just remove them for me if I haven't indicated otherwise.
[07:34] <KB1JWQ> tonyyarusso: That can be set.
[07:34] <KB1JWQ> And it harrasses everyone in the ban tracking channel.
[07:34] <KB1JWQ> Compare our number of network trolls to the number of bans set in #freenode, for example. :-)
[07:34] <rww> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal#Add%20eir%20to%20%23ubuntu )
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> What is the banlist limit rww?  500?
[07:35] <KB1JWQ> rww: Yes, exactly that.
[07:35] <KB1JWQ> tonyyarusso: I believe so.
[07:35] <rww> tonyyarusso: banlist + quietlist + exemptlist < 500, yes
[07:35] <KB1JWQ> And +L, else it'd be less.
[07:36] <rww> 500 is the default for ircd-seven, and those munin graphs look about right for 500
[07:36]  * cdbs never knew banlists, quietlists etc had limits
[07:36] <tsimpson> MAXLIST=bqeI:100
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> cdbs: How have you missed us yapping about hitting them in here before?
[07:36] <tsimpson> from 005 when you connect
[07:37] <rww> yeah, 100 is for normal channels
[07:37] <cdbs> tonyyarusso: I did see you people talking about limits here, but I never knew that it was actually as less as 500.
[07:37] <rww> figured, we have no invexes, but that would be in the equation too if we did.
[07:37] <cdbs> and , I wasn't sure if there was a limit at all
[07:38] <tsimpson> I doubt we have any +I in #ubuntu
[07:38] <rww> we don't, I just checked ;)
[07:38]  * tsimpson too
[07:38] <cdbs> eir seems good, but will it be a complete replacement of ubottu 's bt?
[07:39] <rww> cdbs: no. the wikipage goes into that.
[07:39] <tsimpson> no, it would be made so ubottu can read the comments
[07:39] <rww> s/in the nick/in the hostmask/
[07:40] <tsimpson> eir does not have nearly as good ban "tracking" that ubottu does
[07:40] <tsimpson> but it does have better prodding/auto-removal
[09:50] <DJones> Hi, just a heads up, there looks to be a school/college IT class thats joined #ubuntu nicks PC07, PC12 etc with random chatter, seems to be spanish language
[09:51] <DJones> They've stopped talking now
[12:37] <Pici> tonyyarusso: I did a write-up about munin and the plugins I wrote here: http://nullcortex.com/2010/11/munin-irc-trends/ tl;dr version: links to the code are at the bottom.
[12:46] <evilnhandler> tsimpson: eir is pretty good for the "why was this active ban set and is it ready to be removed" type questions. ubottu is better for checking up on past offenses and tracking trends over long periods of time
[13:28]  * Pici sighs
[13:34] <Pici> "Hi I can't change my name because it says I'm banned in #ubuntu"  (thats because you'
[13:35] <Pici> re banned in #ubuntu)
[13:35]  * Pici removes
[15:14] <Pici> o.O
[15:15] <IdleOne> there is an alternate meaning to every acronym I guess
[15:15]  * jrib is confused
[15:15] <IdleOne> -offtopic
[15:15] <jrib> ah
[15:16] <IdleOne> Good morning btw
[15:16] <jrib> morning
[15:16] <IdleOne> o/ to the log readers
[15:17] <rww> \o IdleOne
[15:18] <jpds> A national socialist salute to log readers?
[15:18] <IdleOne> How are you crazies this fine morning?
[15:18] <IdleOne> o/ usually indicates a wave but if you prefer to see it as a salute that is ok with me
[15:19] <Pici> o7
[15:19] <IdleOne> navy salute
[17:13] <Pici> yeesh
[17:13] <ikonia> getting angry
[17:15] <Pici> #ubuntu looks as silly as it did when I left for a meeting an hour ago.
[17:15] <ikonia> worse than when I left it
[18:09] <Pici> sigh
[18:11] <Pici> augh
[18:13] <ikonia> lets try to get some regular topic in #ubuntu
[18:15] <Pici> Sorry, its busy here at work, I'm just able to pop into #ubuntu here and there to try to get people back on topic.
[18:15] <ikonia> it's fine
[18:16] <Pici> (I aparrently have enough time to augh! in here though)
[18:19] <h00k> Lasse1 isn't lhavelund, is it?
[18:20] <Pici> h00k: <redacted>.  No.
[18:21] <h00k> Pici: just checking...
[18:23] <h00k> apologies for the hilight.
[18:23] <h00k> They're both Lasse from .dk
[18:38] <maco> h00k: i thought lhavelund was from .fi
[18:38] <maco> er....oh im confused
[18:38] <maco> at some point i learned jussi's not the only jussi we haveand then northern europe confused me
[18:39] <Pici> Northern Europe confuses all of us.
[18:46] <hedufh> sup cocksuckers?
[18:46] <hedufh> !staff
[18:46] <hedufh> !ops
[18:47] <gnomefreak> hedufh: can we help you?
[18:47] <hedufh> fuck u
[18:47] <gnomefreak> guess not
[18:48]  * gnomefreak waits for ubottu to pm me
[18:48] <gnomefreak> he pmed me too :( sad sad man
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:57] <werh> fuck u
[18:58] <werh> fuck u
[18:58] <gnomefreak> that is really getting old.
[19:00] <gnomefreak> @comment 37849 use of language. he is the same person as hedufh
[19:00] <gnomefreak> opps
[19:00] <gnomefreak> well i guess it worked anyway
[21:00] <gnomefreak> what is with the mass join
[21:01] <gnomefreak> it has been a while since i saw one of them
[21:08] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: long netsplits confuse the bots, as well as high lag
[21:14] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks
[21:43] <jrib> fight
[21:44] <gnomefreak> i would like to reschedule the fight for another day please
[21:51] <jrib> well floodbots keep +r #ubuntu gnomefreak :(
[21:55] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:58] <tsimpson> *serious* lag going on
[21:59] <rww> I'm going to sit opped up in #ubuntu for a while, I think. Services aren't doing too great either.
[22:02] <gnomefreak> other than the mass jois and splits i havent seen too much lag. at least nothing like i have seen in past
[22:02] <gnomefreak> holy crap that is lagging
[22:04] <rww> you and your "I haven't seen much lag" caused it!
[22:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:06] <gnomefreak> its because i havent been watching #u much today
[22:06] <gnomefreak> thats the only one i saw lag in. plus the global notice said they were rerouting to fix the issue. i guess that didnt help
[22:10] <tsimpson> I'm getting different messages at different times with this client and stdin
[22:10] <tsimpson> for instance, stdin doesn't see these messages yet
[22:10] <tsimpson> heh, my other client sees your messages, but not mine
[22:10] <tsimpson> freenode is falling over!
[22:10] <popey> believe what you're saying
[22:10] <popey> not sure I
[22:10] <popey> ;)
[22:14] <rww> . ubottu's not doing too great either, I guess.
[22:14] <rww> Yup. I think the connections between servers are laggy.
[22:14] <rww> popey: you're not identified with nickserv, btw.
[22:14] <popey> ta
[22:14] <popey> ta-da!
[22:14] <jrib> #ubuntu +Rr again :/  How can we tell floodbots to stop doing that?
[22:15] <rww> jrib: Now, or in a world where freenode is not being weird?
[22:15] <jrib> rww: I'd benefit from both I guess
[22:16] <rww> because usually you'd either 'protect 0' or /mode #ubuntu -r, but that's just gonna last until the next time something odd happens
[22:38] <rww> ubottu: tell serard about away
[22:52] <Jordan_U> rww: Are you intending to be opped in #ubuntu?
[22:52] <rww> Jordan_U: yes
[22:52] <rww> although it looks like things are calming down, so I'll be unopping in a minute or three.
[22:53] <Jordan_U> Why? (not complaining, just curious).
[22:53] <rww> Jordan_U: because chanserv wasn't responding earlier, and no chanserv means no +o on demand, which means no ability to deal with problems.
[23:34]  * rww munches popcorn, giggles at -ot
[23:36]  * rww stops munching, charges EMP cannon
[23:40]  * rww facepalms
[23:42] <maco> rww: was that at "Sir"?
[23:43] <rww> no, "braaah". "Sir" just made me start pondering Cpt. Mackenzie Janeway.
[23:43]  * Jordan_U is glad not to have to op in -ot
[23:46] <rww> Jordan_U: you're missing out on all the fun!
[23:46] <rww> and by "fun" I mean questioning your sanity as you fall asleep at night.
[23:51] <rww> #ubuntu-offtopic is not very good at five-minute rainbow time.
[23:56] <maco> how does five-minute rainbow time work?
[23:57] <rww> I turn off color code filtering, and people make rainbows. Except they don't :(