[00:57] <adamruffolo> I have a work network without domains.  Just pcs with work groups.  Working with a Windows 2003 Server. The server is old and I'm disliking windows.  I want to upgrade the server.  I'm looking at Ubuntu Server.  Any thoughts?
[01:11] <pmatulis_> adamruffolo: samba
[01:13] <adamruffolo> pmatulis_: tks.  I'll take a look at that.  It would be Ubuntu server with SAMBA tho right?
[01:30] <pmatulis_> adamruffolo: yeah
[01:31] <pmatulis_> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/samba-fileserver.html
[01:33] <adamruffolo> pmatulis: Perfect.  I'll read up on this.  Tks.
[01:38] <b0gatyr_>  hi everyone, if im trying to set up a static route to a host on a remote network via eth1 with IP 192.168.1.2 the "gw" on the route command should be 192.168.1.2 or the gateway of 192.168.1.1?
[01:42] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: it is the one on both your local subnet and the destination subnet
[01:43] <b0gatyr_> pmatulis_: i've seen people use the local interface that the remote network points to, why is this?
[01:50] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: i don't understand your question.  what does it mean for a remote network to "point" to a local interface?
[01:53] <b0gatyr_> pmatulis_: i've seen people use this " route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth0" and "route -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.2(ip of eth0) dev eth0"
[01:53] <b0gatyr_> why is this interchangeably used
[01:55] <b0gatyr_> one using the gateway between the local and remote subnets and the other using just the IP of the local interface (by the way i forgot to mention this is on a box that has two NICs with two different subnets)
[01:56] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: not enough context to answer.  just remember that the gw needs to be on your local subnet and also be able to reach the remote subnet
[01:57] <b0gatyr_> k thanks.
[01:57] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: not enough context, example, there are other routes that you may not be mentioning or there is a default gateway being used
[01:58] <b0gatyr_> pmatulis_: the default route im using is a different subnet
[01:59] <b0gatyr_> default route is 172.16.0.1
[01:59] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: one way to understand is to delete all routes and then set up your one route
[02:01] <pmatulis_> b0gatyr_: it's worth investigating.  i need to leave.  good luck
[02:01] <b0gatyr_> k thanks man
[02:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[03:18] <mufasis> can someone point me in the right direction of how to manage ubuntu server, like tasks or things that need to be done?
[03:23] <mufasis> anyone?
[03:33] <thesheff17> mufasis: you probably want to use ubuntu 10.04 Long Term Support.  Here is the link to the doc to manage it: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/index.html
[03:35] <airtonix> it's preferable to use LDAP/KERBEROS with NFS over NIS right ?
[03:42] <thewrongboy> hi, i have a question about a RAID 10 set up.
[03:43] <thewrongboy> i just set up software RAID10 with 4 WD Caviar blues
[03:43] <thewrongboy> and for some reason, one of the disks is showing 100% util very frequently on iostat
[03:43] <thewrongboy> for 5-10 secs at a time
[03:43] <thewrongboy> all the disks are brand new
[03:43] <thewrongboy> should i be worried?
[03:47] <twb`> airtonix: unkerberized NFS will only enforce permissions if you can guarantee your users can't get root *on the NFS client*.
[03:50] <mufasis> thesheff17: thank you
[03:50] <thesheff17> mufasis: np the server guide will also be a great resource: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[03:51] <thesheff17> mufasis: depending on what you want to actually do with the server.
[03:52] <twb`> Usually I want to throw it out the window
[04:04] <patdk-lap> twb, you can get into too much trouble for that, saver to do it office space style
[04:24] <airtonix> M
[04:34] <twb`> Oh no
[04:34] <twb`> no no no
[04:35] <twb`> Someone made the NFS *client* side upstart jobs in lucid
[04:36] <twb`> I can't even do a "mount -t nfs4" without triggering events that'll create idmapd (et al) that'll fight with the instances I'm running in the foreground (for debugging)(
[05:44] <koolhead11> hello all
[05:44] <koolhead11> hey bgupta
[05:44] <Guest66268> hi all
[05:45] <koolhead11> hi johnson81385
[05:45] <johnson81385> hi koolhead11
[05:50] <bgupta> hey koolhead11
[05:50] <koolhead11> hey bgsmith we need some help with resolving openladap issue
[05:51] <johnson81385> I am trying to setup a Samba Domain controller with LDAP backend. The version of Ubuntu is 10.04 and openldap version is 2.4.21. And i followed the document from the URL  https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/samba-ldap.html. The problem with my setup is I am not able to Join windows machines to the domain.
[05:51] <koolhead11> need help
[05:51]  * bgupta is not an openldap expert... 
[05:51] <johnson81385> help would be really great
[05:52] <koolhead11> bgupta, whom should i poke then :P
[05:53] <bgupta> koolhead11: explain your issue.. and wait.
[05:54] <bgupta> You may also consider #ubuntu since it gets more traffic
[05:54] <koolhead11> bgupta, johnson81385 is with my team and he has explained the issue :P
[05:54] <koolhead11> bgupta, cool okey
[06:00] <bgupta> koolhead11: In that I case I would absolutely go to #openldap and ask your question there.. they are much likely to be able to answer your question, as it is quite app specific.
[06:01] <koolhead11> bgupta, yes am there too :P
[06:01] <bgupta> you weren't there.. or I wouldn't have told you to ask there. ;)
[06:03] <koolhead11> bgupta, just joined sir :)
[08:43] <lephisto> morning @ll
[08:44] <koolhead11> lephisto, morning :)
[08:54] <dravekx> question:
[08:55] <EvilPhoenix> answer
[08:55] <dravekx> i have ubuntu server 10.04 installed on the network, but i was to format, repartition, and re-install via WAN: possible?
[08:55] <dravekx> i want to*
[08:58] <dravekx> probably not possible...
[09:00] <joschi> dravekx: define 'via WAN'
[09:02] <dravekx> Im on a laptop connected to a wireless router with full nework access. There's a test server on the same network I want to re-partition, format, and re-install ubuntu server 10.04LTS preferably without leaving my office.
[09:05] <dravekx> Im guessing i need some kind of special hardware/software connection to make that happen, more-so than just a simple WAN/LAN connection.
[09:06] <joschi> dravekx: if your server supports it, you could boot it over PXE and do your stuff
[09:06] <joschi> dravekx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[09:07] <dravekx> joschi, ahhh!!! perfect! ty.
[09:11] <et_> installed Xinit and Firefox on Ubuntu Server. Did startx and then opened firefox. Now I want firefox to fill the entire viewport! Any suggestions??
[09:12] <et_> How do i make a window occupy the entire screen in X? Appreciate any pointers.
[09:14] <joschi> et_: try firefox's fullscreen mode (press F11).
[09:14] <joschi> et_: other than that, you might want to google for 'kiosk mode', depending on what you really want to achieve
[09:16] <et_> joschi: thanks. Will try that and revert!
[09:16] <et_> joschi: Nope, not working! Firefox Window occupies only a third of my screen even when I go into full screen mode..
[09:17] <et_> joschi: Kiosk mode is exactly wat I'm looking for :) This is one of the approaches I'm trying. !!
[11:54] <plm> Hi all
[11:54] <plm> people, I'm using redir app to do redirect tcp connections, what app does redirect UDP connections?
[11:55] <joschi> plm: netfilter/iptables
[11:56] <plm> joschi: ok
[11:57] <joschi> plm: http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html#REDIRECTTARGET
[12:00] <Daviey> hggdh, are you around?
[12:05] <plm> joschi: 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9010 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.25' -> This will redirect all conections comming to the server in 9010 port to ip 192.168.0.25 on 9010 port right?
[12:59] <hggdh> Daviey: I am now
[13:00] <Daviey> hggdh, I am having the time of my life :)
[13:00] <Daviey> hggdh, euca in natty, is awesome :)
[13:02] <hggdh> Daviey: oh boy
[13:10] <hggdh> Daviey: the awesomest ever?
[13:17] <Daviey> hggdh, awesome as in non-functional
[13:17] <Daviey> hggdh, seems to be an upstart concern
[13:18] <hggdh> ah bloody hell. There we go again :-(
[13:19] <hggdh> Daviey: I actually tried to boot the machines yesterday, but the two ISO images we had fail to install (d-i complains there are no kernel modules available)
[13:20] <Daviey> yeah
[13:20] <plm> hey Could you tell me if this is right? iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9040 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.25; iptables -A FORWARD -p udp -i eth0  --dport 9040 -d 192.168.0.25 -j ACCEPT
[13:20] <hggdh> Daviey: enough is enough. ISO images failed again, I will open a but
[13:20] <plm> I wnat to redirect all udp conections incoming a server to a internal machine with ip 192.168.0.53
[13:20] <hggdh> bug
[13:21] <plm> sorry, .25
[13:21] <plm> in 9040 port
[13:21] <Daviey> hggdh, agreed
[13:30] <hggdh> #ubuntu-release
[13:39] <smoser> jamespage, were you looking for me ?
[13:39] <plm> people, to tests if one TCP port are answer I use telnet, and what app can I use to test a UDP?
[13:43] <zul> morning
[13:44] <soren> plm: netcat
[13:49] <plm> soren: ok
[13:49] <sss> I intsalled LAMP on Ubuntu Desktop. Can I use SSL?
[13:51] <joschi> yes
[13:51] <sss> I mean, How?
[13:52] <joschi> enable mod_ssl in your apache httpd, change the configuration according to your needs, restart httpd
[14:03] <plm> soren: in server(192.168.0.53) I do 'nc -l -u -p 1234' and with netstat -an | grep -i 1234 I see that UDP port opened. But when I in client start 'nc -u 192.168.0.53 1234', that netstat don't show connection of client..
[14:03] <plm> soren: sorry, is working.. :-)
[14:04] <jamespage> smoser: sure was - did you have a nice day off yesterday?
[14:04] <smoser> i did.
[14:04] <smoser> but i'm not really here now, as i have to leave in 5 minutes for another "nice" vacation (the dentist)
[14:07] <smoser> jamespage, i'll ping you when i return ?
[14:07] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:08] <jamespage> smoser: OK - I'm going to grab lunch now so thats prob good timing - have fun
[14:08] <jamespage> morning RoAkSoAx
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: how's it going man?
[14:09] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: good thanks; just trying to pin smoser down for some ec2 testing conversations.....
[14:11] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[14:20] <zul> jamespage: trying to drill him? :)
[14:20] <jamespage> :-)
[14:28] <shal3r> Client is telling me that his server is configured to mirror data on both hard drives. Am i right that it's using only SDA drive? http://pastebin.com/eJ6gtYD8
[14:37] <compdoc> he has two drives of the same size, yes?
[14:39] <compdoc> I dont use software raid, but doesnt mdadm create a /dev/md0, etc?
[14:39] <boxybrown> can the openldap client be used to authenticate with an NIS server?
[14:40] <compdoc> what does df -h, and fdisk -l show?
[14:40] <boxybrown> compdoc: -h is 'human readable', so it shows harddrive usage is a friendly fashion
[14:41] <boxybrown> s/harddrive/partition
[14:41] <compdoc> I was asking shal3r, thanks
[14:41] <pmatulis_> is pacemaker and drbd a viable solution on 10.04?  is there a better one?  i remember having a dickins of a time using drbd a couple of years ago
[14:43] <patdk-wk> viable solution to what problem?
[14:43] <pmatulis_> patdk-wk: ha
[14:52] <shal3r> compdoc, http://pastebin.com/jWqZbEVh . And there is no /dev/md*
[14:54] <shal3r> ok, it got different partition tables so it cannot be raid
[14:54] <shal3r> is it possible to create raid array in this case, remotely and without moving data?
[14:55] <compdoc> I dont see where sdb is mounted, but it is hard to read that laguage
[14:56] <compdoc> *language
[14:59] <compdoc> you can only safely create a raid with a drive that is not used in any way
[14:59] <compdoc> those have partitions
[15:00] <shal3r> compdoc, there it is in english - http://pastebin.com/WynGgQCe
[15:00] <shal3r> looks like sdb is not used anywhere
[15:01] <shal3r> # mount /dev/sdb3 mnt/ - mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[15:01] <compdoc> hmm
[15:02] <compdoc> was the drive added later? was it once part of a raid?
[15:03] <compdoc> they both have swap partitions, so it seems like sdb doesnt belong
[15:03] <compdoc> like someone attached it later
[15:04] <compdoc> you should mount sdb's partitions and ask if ant data in there is important
[15:04] <compdoc> *any
[15:05] <compdoc> oh, I see you have :)
[15:19] <shal3r> compdoc, i cannot mount any of these partitions
[15:20] <shal3r> http://pastebin.com/DZaTjij7
[15:21] <shal3r> i just mounted them with -t ext - both partitions (sdb3 and sdb5) are empty (only lost+found folder)
[15:21] <compdoc> they are, or were, a part of a raid
[15:22] <shal3r> ok, so now it's empty and unused
[15:22] <compdoc> if it was a raid with the current active drive, the partitions should match. can the owner tell you some history?
[15:23] <shal3r> no, because the person who configured that box is missing
[15:23] <compdoc> is the machine in you shop? or is it remote?
[15:23] <compdoc> your shop
[15:23] <shal3r> remote
[15:24] <compdoc> they want you to create a raid?
[15:25] <shal3r> they want to keep their data safe from hardware problems and RAID1 should be the first thing to do
[15:26] <compdoc> yes, as long as you dont destroy something important on sdb
[15:27] <compdoc> the swaps are a different size, so I would guess the two drives were created on different PCs
[15:27] <compdoc> they had different amounts of ram
[15:28] <shal3r> it is empty because i mounted two "Linux" type partitions and they were empty
[15:29] <shal3r> is it possible to still read and write to /dev/sda, but keep mirror on sdb?
[15:29] <compdoc> if its been installed that way for some time, its likely nothing important anyway, as they havent been able to access it
[15:30] <compdoc> you want to erase sdb and create a software raid 1?
[15:33] <compdoc> the two drives are slightly different in size, but sdb is larger so it should work
[15:37] <shal3r> yes, but is it possible without rebooting and changing bootloader?
[15:38] <compdoc> I dont know if it can be done without reboots - I use raid cards
[15:38] <compdoc> been a long time since I used mdadm
[15:45] <shal3r> compdoc, i'm also using raid cards and lost software raid which i created was 7 years ago
[15:47] <compdoc> the raid cards that I use require you create the raid using the console at boot
[15:48] <compdoc> you have to be there, in other words
[15:53] <shal3r> compdoc, real raid cards (not fakeraid) - that's how it should be done :)
[15:53] <shal3r> ok, i will go and read about softraid again
[15:54] <compdoc> software raid 1 isnt so bad, but cards are better
[16:20] <thafreak> Hey guys, quick question...if I wanted to do raid 10, what would offer the best performance, using lvm to stripe across a bunch of raid 1 pv's
[16:20] <thafreak> or creating a raid 0 of a bunch of raid 1's?
[16:21] <thafreak> I know the lvm route will be more flexible, i.e. I could probably add another raid1 pair to the vg dynamically
[16:21] <thafreak> so I guess the real question, is lvm's striping or md's striping better/faster?
[16:24] <RoyK> thafreak: it'll probably be about the same - the i/o will be  the bottleneck anyhow
[16:25]  * RoyK uses ZFS for that sort of things :P
[16:26] <compdoc> testing it both ways is a great learning experience
[16:30] <zul> SpamapS: 5.3.5 is uploaded people can stop complaining
[16:32] <jamespage> smoser: back from the dentist?
[16:32] <SpamapS> zul: w00t... :)
[16:32] <smoser> jamespage, yes.
[16:33] <jamespage> time for a chat re ec2 automated testing?
[16:51] <jamespage> smoser - got 10 to discuss automating ec2 testing?
[16:51] <smoser> i do
[16:51] <jamespage> excellent; I found some time this week to look back through my notes
[16:51] <jamespage> and review how this might all get integrated into jenkins etc... for reporting
[16:52] <smoser> and you saw daviey's comment on "Did smoser obfuscate this code intentionally?" :)
[16:52] <jamespage> :-)
[16:52] <jamespage> had the same issue TBH
[16:52] <jamespage> how do you feel about a re-write using python and boto?
[16:53] <smoser> i'm fine with that from a goal perspective.
[16:53] <smoser> time commitment is the only reason not to
[16:53] <jamespage> OK - well I have a bit of time this week to look at this.
[16:54] <jamespage> (already started TBH)
[16:54] <hggdh> smoser: good morning, and how is hardy ec2 going?
[16:54] <jamespage> I wanted to check a couple of things about how the existing tests work (so I can try to achieve the same results)
[16:55] <jamespage> I've got something working that spins up a instance/release/arch of your choice, uses cloud-init to setup and execute some tests (from the ISO testing suite)
[16:55] <jamespage> and then downloads the results for processing by Hudson.
[16:55] <jamespage> this tests that the AMI works to a point
[16:56] <smoser> hggdh, i see that john got ec2 image built from ppa at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=hardy . i will load a kernel and quickly sniff it from that.
[16:56] <hggdh> smoser: thank you
[16:56] <jamespage> I remember that the current scripts execute multiple instances of the same type - but I can't remember why?
[16:57] <smoser> jamespage, because we're testing the images. explicitly.
[16:58] <smoser> so we launch an instance in each availability zone, and in each region.
[16:58] <smoser> because these things are actually different hypervisors (possibly) under neith
[16:58] <jamespage> got that - that works OK; would you for example run mutiple t1.micro instances in eu-west-1a for i386? or is just one sufficient?
[16:59] <smoser> and then we launch 10 instances of the same image at once.  that is mostly  just a blast to see if we get failures, to increase the number that we've run, to increase likely hood of seeing a transient boot failure.
[16:59] <smoser> for that, 1 is probably sufficient.
[16:59] <jamespage> is that something that happens alot?
[16:59] <smoser> it happens.
[17:01] <smoser> jjohansen, ping
[17:02] <smoser> jamespage, i'm not trying to be a jerk, but it does happen, and getting increased number is the sole reason for it. it increases the possibility for catching failure.
[17:03] <jamespage> smoser: it not a problem - I just wanted to understand why :-)
[17:03] <jamespage> so what I have put together so far can do all of the instance-type, placement, region, storage options; it just can't run multiple instances at the same time.
[17:04] <hallyn> Daviey: did you have any comments on the multipath-tools unstable merge?
[17:04] <hallyn> cmagina: by any chance have you had a chance to test it?
[17:04] <jamespage> but it should be possible with a few tweaks....
[17:04] <jamespage> smoser: I just pushed the latest branch of the code to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/+junk/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing
[17:05] <cmagina> hallyn: no, been a busy weekend
[17:05] <jjohansen> smoser: pong, sorry inet problems
[17:07] <hallyn> cmagina: just making sure, thanks
[17:09] <smoser> jamespage, sweet. i will take a look at that.
[17:33] <jjohansen> smoser: so have you had a chance to test the kernel I built?
[17:34] <smoser> jjohansen, no
[17:34] <jjohansen> smoser: okay, thanks
[17:39] <\sh> whoosa...puppet 2.6.x with the stages system is really an improvement
[17:40] <ivoks> zul: have you seen the patch for bug 715056
[17:40] <zul> ivoks: yep on my list
[17:40] <ivoks> thanks
[17:51] <Daviey> hallyn, the copy_exec entries in debian/initramfs/hooks that have been removed... is that intended?
[17:51] <hallyn> so, for the first time in awhile i'm gonna install uec at home.  I wonder whether I can expect it to install on natty right now :)
[17:51] <hallyn> Daviey: lemme check.  I suspect the answer is yes
[17:52] <hallyn> now what was that lp url again
[17:53] <Daviey> hallyn, Eucalyptus on natty is a car crash at the moment
[17:53] <Daviey> Help appreciated :)
[17:54] <hallyn> Daviey: doh.  i was sort of hoping it woudl actually be useful :)  but yes, i'll do what i can.
[17:54] <Daviey> hallyn, "blacklist cciss devices"... blacklist most HP servers?!
[17:54] <Daviey> hallyn, if you want a functional cloud use maverick :)
[17:54] <hallyn> well, yes i want functional, but i couldn't justify that :)
[17:55] <hallyn> Daviey: still waiting for my bzr branch to fetch
[17:55] <hallyn> Daviey: well, see patch 2
[17:56] <hallyn> Daviey: for this merge I very much stuck to the 'if we haven't explicitly un-done that before, do whatever sid is doing' flowchart
[17:56] <zul> Daviey: im going to merge apache2 and then take a crack at rampart
[17:57] <hallyn> Daviey: ah, yes.  the copy_execs were for binaries which no longer exist.  The binaries were replaced by libraries with a wrapper program  (or something like that)
[17:57] <Daviey> hallyn, Hmm.. the debian/changelog hasn't been merged?
[17:57] <hallyn> merged?
[17:57] <Daviey> zul, rampart?
[17:57] <zul> Daviey: that rampart symbol problem
[17:57] <hallyn> Daviey: AFAIK it would be wrong to pull in the Debian changelog, no?
[17:58] <Daviey> hallyn, so the sid changelog entries get inserted in
[17:58] <Daviey> hallyn, did you try "bzr merge-package" ?
[17:58] <hallyn> that's what i did
[17:59] <hallyn> but pretty sure i built my own changelog
[17:59] <hallyn> how are the sid changelog entries supposed to look?  what's a good package to look at for an example?
[17:59] <hallyn> hm, i suppose i can do a new dummy merge and see what it gives me
[18:01] <Daviey> hallyn, for example - http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/anacron/anacron_2.3-14ubuntu1/changelog
[18:01] <Daviey> see how on merges the debian entries should be inserted inbetween
[18:02] <Daviey> hallyn, that shows maverick -> unstable -> unstable _-> lucid
[18:04] <hallyn> Daviey: hm, i see.  thanks
[18:07] <Daviey> hallyn, it looks like quite a complex merge - and other than that it looks pretty damn good.  I haven't built it, or looked too closely.. but if you are happy with the code, i'd pursue sponsorship :)
[18:08] <Daviey> (i assume the version string was for you testing it in a PPA)
[18:08]  * Daviey goes afk for a bit
[18:10] <boxybrown> is there a way to check if NIS netgroups are being recognized on a machine?
[18:11] <hallyn> Daviey: thanks.  I'm hoping ot test a bit, but figure i'd better push it tomorrow so we have something newer in archive.  we can laways bughunt from there
[18:12] <hallyn> jdstrand: people.canonical.com/~serge/libvirt_0.8.7-2ubuntu1-package.tar.gz is updated
[18:12] <Daviey> hallyn, sounds good.. :)
[18:17] <jdstrand> hallyn: thanks
[18:17] <hallyn> Daviey: 129 lines of changelog entries added to the changelog  before my entry :)
[18:18] <hallyn> (and pushed)
[18:27] <zul> hallyn: can you see if that lxc libvirt bug is fixed with the newer libvirt ;)
[18:28] <hallyn> zul: a patch was actually just sent to libvirt list which I think does a 'complete' fix
[18:29] <zul> hallyn: seriously?! sweet!
[18:29] <hallyn> zul: it detects HUP on console, checks if container is still alive, and if not kills the container
[18:29] <hallyn> I'll test it this afternoon (when I'm back at my other laptop)
[18:29] <zul> hallyn: tell me you are applying the patch ;)
[18:29] <hallyn> well, as soon as I test it :)
[18:30] <hallyn> jdstrand: ^ yeah, I guess I might be asking you to add one more patch to that libvirt merge
[18:30] <hallyn> zul: I gotta run, bbl
[18:31] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok, just send me a debdiff against what you gave me if needed
[18:41] <\sh> hmm...does someone uses puppet inside debian chroots and know how to determine if you are in a chroot or on a real server?
[18:41] <\sh> i checked the facter output, but didn't see anything where I could decide "yes, I'm in a chroot"
[18:42] <spydmobile> Hi folks, I have an intresting problem, I have a KVM/EMU Ubu Server VM on a ubu server host, the host has 2 nics, one on the local lan and one on a normal DSL internet. my VM needs to send email via port25, the local lan does not allow port25 traffic out, is there some internal server capability to allow me to route port 25 out of the VM on the other nic? Am I wasting my time?
[18:48] <dravekx> does ubuntu server really need 6GB of swap space? sheesh
[18:51] <dravekx> 160GB SSD, the install of v10.10 made an ext4 partition of 154GB, and a swap partition of 6GB.
[18:52] <JanC> really need? no.
[18:52] <JanC> but what's wrong with 6 GB swap space?
[18:53] <dravekx> It seems like a lot for a little 160GB web server
[18:53] <JanC> it also depends on how much RAM you have, I think
[18:54] <JanC> the default the installer reserves I mean
[18:54] <shauno> not sure the installer knows it's going to be a "little web server".  so if you let it choose itself, a best guess is all you can expect
[18:54] <JanC> if you want something else, you can always do manual partitioning
[18:54] <\sh> dravekx: depending on your memory needs of your application...
[18:55] <\sh> dravekx: when you have 32GB or more, and your app just needs under high load 16GB you really don't need a swap space...but this is when you really know how your application/webserver/whatever behaves
[18:56] <dravekx> true.
[20:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[20:13] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: occupied at the moment, leave a message ;-)
[20:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: lol will pm you then ;)
[20:29] <kim0> stgraber: Howdy, were you working on spice support for kvm ?
[20:29] <hallyn> zul: berrange's patch does way more than we need, using functions not in libvirt yet (until 0.8.7 probably) so I'm rewriting it, need just a bit more time...
[20:30] <zul> hallyn: i was looking at it myself the email he sent before it has the needed functions
[20:30] <zul> im a glutten for punishment ;)
[20:39] <hallyn> doh
[20:39] <hallyn> I must've accidentally deleted that one
[20:39] <zul> i can put my patch up if you want it
[20:40] <zul> zul: it still ftbfs with it though http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/00099_make_lxc_containers_more_robust.patch
[20:41] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ping
[20:58] <zul> hallyn: this one as well it looks like https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2011-February/msg01002.html
[20:58] <hallyn> hm,
[20:58] <hallyn> that starts to look like a lot
[20:58] <hallyn> I like the idea of using a cgroup to kill the containers, but think I prefer to take the minimal patch on top of 0.8.7
[20:58] <hallyn> we can take the whole kaboodle when debian merges 0.8.8
[21:00] <hallyn> zul: sound ok?
[21:00] <zul> hallyn: agreed
[21:03]  * zul disapears for a while
[21:06] <AdamDV-iPhone> Does anyone know how to make sshd pull public keys / user accounts from mysql?
[21:07] <zul> hallyn: ill apply the patch locally so i can do some tsting
[21:12] <hallyn> zul: and lo, unstable has merged 0.8.8
[21:13] <zul> hallyn: tearing your hair out yet?
[21:13] <stgraber> kim0: nope
[21:14] <kim0> oh I see
[21:14] <kim0> If someone has more info on getting spice running under kvm, please let me know
[21:15] <zul> kim0; im pretty sure google can tell you ;)
[21:16] <kim0> zul: everything points to redhat
[21:16] <zul> kim0: naturally ;)
[21:16] <kim0> I can't even find "spicec" the client
[21:17] <zul> kim0: http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/SPICE
[21:18] <kim0> didn't think I'd have to build from source ..
[21:19] <hallyn> zul: ok.  i think the debian package is still mirroring or smoething bc i can't quite fetch it yet
[21:20] <hallyn> zul: my wife thinks it's just a bald spot
[21:20] <hallyn> kim0: i haven't yet tried to run spice.  kirkland may have
[21:20] <hallyn> they have a client codebase built on gtk-vnc, iiuc
[21:23] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ok, rddtool is not in the branch os it hasn't been merged
[21:23] <RoAkSoAx> nor uploaded
[21:25] <kim0> whenever I run virt-manager it automatically hits 100% CPU .. is that some known bug on natty ?
[21:25] <kim0> even with no VMs running
[21:26] <hallyn> kim0: i think there are open bugs for that
[21:26] <zul> hallyn: ditto
[21:27] <kim0> great
[21:28] <kirkland> kim0: hallyn: i have not yet
[21:29] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: it may be blocked on libdbi.. I recall there was a problem w/ older libdbi's and rrdtool.. but I think it was for libdbi 0.8.2 .. not 0.8.3 which we have
[21:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: hi!
[21:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: dude!
[21:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: i owe you a phone call!
[21:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: I checked out mcollective this weekend
[21:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: yeah, i just saw your bug, about -middleware
[21:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: hehe!
[21:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's fine by me
[21:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: works well on lucid as weel :)
[21:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: neat
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yeah... so what do you wanna do with it?
[21:39] <geekbri> does anybody know if 32bit 10.04 still hangs in ec2 if you try to install javas sun from the partner repo?
[21:40] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: I guess it is the same since the current version in natty is the same as in maverick. (see bug #625882)
[21:41] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: anyways, I'm just gonna patch it as per bug #722938
[21:46] <ejv> hello, how do I disable the KVM module when my ubuntu server starts up? it's interfering with virtualbox virtualization.
[21:51] <chilicuil> ejv: I'd try to rename the .ko file
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> ejv: sudo vim /etc/init/qemu-kvm.conf and replace where it says "start on ..." to "stop on..."
[21:58] <ejv> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[22:16] <mathiaz> kirkland: are you subscribed to mcollective bugs by default?
[22:16] <mathiaz> kirkland: or should I always subscribe you to the bugs I filled?
[22:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, i'm not sure if i'm subscribed yet
[22:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: you can subscribe me, though
[23:08] <boxybrown> any idea why sudo select-editor won't remember my settings?
[23:19] <AtomicSpark> So I decided to try out bacula. It's asking me to set up postfix. Any ideas how I should configure it? Bacula is just for my personal stuff at home. I don't have a domain name (minus DDNS) but I would like to recieve emails if possible.
[23:22] <RoAkSoAx> zul: you free :)?
[23:23] <boxybrown> ?
[23:23] <boxybrown> theres got to be a way to change the editor for visudo
[23:23] <boxybrown> select-editor is not working
[23:24] <thesheff17> boxybrown: sudo update-alternatives –config editor
[23:25] <thesheff17> sudo update-alternatives ---config editor
[23:25] <thesheff17> two dashes on  --config sorry
[23:25] <boxybrown> thesheff17: is this the new way to do it?  is there a reason visudo doesn't use sensible-editor anymore?
[23:26] <thesheff17> boxybrown: I just tried it on 10.10 desktop and it is fine. it may be a bug
[23:27] <boxybrown> hmm
[23:27] <boxybrown> i'm using 10.10 server
[23:27] <thesheff17> nm...I was using select-editor
[23:27] <thesheff17> it says that is the new way
[23:27] <boxybrown> update-alternatives is the new way, or select-editor?
[23:27] <AtomicSpark> update-alternatives makes more sense as you can use it for other alternatives too. (like default java, etc)
[23:28] <thesheff17> boxybrown: I believe it is the same thing
[23:29] <boxybrown> okay, i was following the help guide, which seems fairly old: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[23:29] <boxybrown> this appears to be an old bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/280877
[23:29] <zul> RoAkSoAx: no try tomorrow
[23:29] <RoAkSoAx> zul: lol ok :)
[23:32] <thesheff17> AtomicSpark: the only way I have setup postfix is to bounce off a relay server the data center I used to provide it....I'm sure there are bunch of ways to do it...though trying to send email from a home ISP is probably pretty difficult unless you do something special like setup a relay server yourself.
[23:33] <AtomicSpark> thesheff17: I just don't want to break bacula (at least don't get a "mail cannot be sent" error all the time) by chosing the wrong option.
[23:34] <thesheff17> AtomicSpark: if you just select internet which I believe is the default setting...it will just be sent to root@localhost
[23:36] <AtomicSpark> More dpkg options! /me takes notes
[23:39] <JanC> AtomicSpark: if you don't care about the mail being sent to your account, just configure it for "local delivery"
[23:42] <AtomicSpark> What does no configuration default to?
[23:43] <thesheff17> AtomicSpark: internet I believe
[23:43] <JanC> no configuration is no configuration
[23:43] <chrismsnz> Hi - Anybody here have problems with 10.04 crashing under high-load and putting the server into a "zombie-like" state? i.e. accepting network connections/pingable, but totally unresponsive otherwise?
[23:44] <JanC> I would guess "no configuration" rejects all mail or simply doesn't start the mailserver  ;)