[09:23] <_marx_> akgraner: http://www.npr.org/2011/02/22/133847765/silver-star-recipient-a-reluctant-hero
[09:23] <_marx_> women at war
[09:45] <_marx_> 9 traits of a veteran unix admin
[09:46] <_marx_> We use vi, not emacs, and definitely not pico or nano
[09:48] <_marx_> trait No. 7: We have more in common with medical examiners than doctors
[09:48] <_marx_> trait No. 9: Rebooting is almost never an option
[09:49] <_marx_> No. 8: We know more about Windows than we'll ever let on
[09:50] <_marx_> click the button in the lower left, then look for shutdown as an option
[09:54] <_marx_> Veteran Unix admin trait No. 5: We prefer elegant solutions
[09:54] <_marx_> If there are several ways to fix a problem or achieve a goal, we'll opt to spend more time developing a solution that encompasses the actual problem and preventing future issues than simply whipping out a Band-Aid. This is related to the fact that we loathe revisiting a problem we've already marked "solved" in our minds. We figure that if we can eliminate future problems now by thinking a few steps ahead, we'll have less to do down
[09:54] <_marx_> the road. We're usually right.
[09:55] <_marx_> veteran-unix-admin
[14:08] <akgraner> jack_, jack__ hey did you get your ban issue worked out?
[14:09] <jack__> akgraner: yeah. i had it cleared on my work accoutn but had to argue it out for my home IP
[14:09] <jack__> stupid admins :x
[14:10] <akgraner> glad you got it worked out
[15:03] <BugeyeD> jack__: were you preaching against ubuntu or something?
[15:03] <BugeyeD> jack__: i got called out one time for answering "how do i set a root password?" ... but not banned.
[15:03] <jack__> heh
[15:03] <jack__> i got kicked for telling somebody how to set the root password
[15:04] <BugeyeD> ahh. heh.
[15:04] <BugeyeD> that's a crock.
[15:04] <jack__> well, to be fair, i was being a jerk. some guy asked a technical question and i responded that he shoudl use a diff type of software and why and some admin told me to go to offtopic
[15:04] <jack__> and i told him to suck it
[15:04] <jack__> hehe
[15:04] <adam_vollrath> you jerk
[15:04] <jack__> i know
[15:04] <jack__> hehe
[15:04] <jack__> and then i typoed 'fsck' while helping some guy recover his filesystem and they banned me
[15:37] <BugeyeD> jack__: well, sounds like the admins were protecting their users from bad folks like yourself. :)
[15:39] <holstein> how are you supposed to answer 'how do i set a root password' ?
[15:40] <holstein> it they want a root password, they should and can have one
[15:57] <jack__> yeah, i got yelled at saying it was 'unsupported'. what does that even mean? they wont help me if i have root enabled? heh
[16:02] <holstein> that doesnt sound right
[16:15] <BugeyeD> that's the same thing i ran into a while back. and holstein, i agree totally.
[16:15] <BugeyeD> if they want a root password, they should and can have one
[16:16] <BugeyeD> you probably don't want your grandmother to have root on her box, but then again if she's technically capable enough to wade through irc she's probably going to find out how anyway.
[16:19] <holstein> any user should be able to have a root pass
[16:19] <holstein> and totally ruin the install
[16:20] <holstein> i dought anyone is saying 'you need a root password, its fun and easy for beginners'
[16:26] <holstein> BugeyeD: maybe this is on the heels of the android root terminology
[16:26] <holstein> that im sure lots of folks dont quite understand
[16:27] <holstein> 'if i root my ubuntu box, i bet i can...'
[17:22] <BugeyeD> i dunno. my "incident" happened a couple of years ago if i remember correctly. i've steered clear of #ubuntu since then.