[00:00] <Riddell> yofel: could you install this and tell me if it works?
[00:00] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-common_0.14_all.deb
[00:00] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb
[00:01] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca4; kcmshell4 language-selector
[00:06] <yofel> Riddell: will do so in a moment, installing updates here
[00:07] <yofel> Riddell: first:
[00:07] <yofel> Unpacking language-selector-kde (from language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb) ...
[00:07] <yofel> dpkg: error processing language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb (--install):
[00:07] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pyshared/LanguageSelector/qt/__init__.py', which is also in package language-selector-qt 0.13
[00:08] <Riddell> hmm, he didn't add that conflicts
[00:08] <Riddell> well --force-overwrite that
[00:09] <yofel> Well, it did start by telling me that language support isn't installed completely
[00:10] <yofel> one thing: what does 'Apply' do? Do the action you last selected? or the one you selected on the current tab? or the ones you selected on every tab?
[00:12] <yofel> I only have english installed, I can select that on the uninstall tab, but I can't deselect it, rever will disable the apply button, but english is still selected and I can't select it again
[00:12] <yofel> s/rever/revert/
[00:12] <yofel> err. reset
[00:13] <Riddell> ok so it's generally working for you
[00:13] <Riddell> for some reason it refused to believe there was such a module as language-selector for me, but if I renamed the .desktop file it was fine
[00:13] <yofel> it's generally working, just the apply button is totally confusing, I didn't press it yet
[00:13] <yofel> as I don't understand what it will do
[00:14] <Riddell> the UI isn't quite right yet
[00:14] <yofel> other than that, not bad
[00:14] <Riddell> not sure how to get it just right though, but that can be an issue for post-feature freeze 
[00:15] <yofel> It would be nice if the apply button would be glued to the tab, as I expected the button do be disabled when I switched tabs - or the dialog coming up asking me if I want to save my changes or discard them
[00:16] <Riddell> well that's what it was in the previous revision
[00:16] <Riddell> but then it's not properly integrated as a kcontrol module
[00:17] <Riddell> but that might well be better than this
[00:17] <yofel> as currently, I assume pressing apply will install german support that I selected on the first tab and uninstall english support which is selected on the 2nd tab at the same time - not what I want, and I can't change that without restarting the KCM
[00:18] <yofel> wait, or pressing reset, but it's still confusing
[00:19] <yofel> Riddell: is it giving a confirmation dialog after pressing apply or does it simply apply the changes?
[00:19] <Riddell> yofel: it'll ask for your password
[00:19] <yofel> ah
[01:40] <valorie> Riddell: owncloud is v. cool!
[07:02] <Mamarok> I get an error when I try to install owncloud
[07:04] <Mamarok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/570964
[08:32] <bambee> morning
[12:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: where is that package from?
[12:19] <apachelogger> oh
[12:19] <apachelogger> actually your apache2 is defunct
[12:19] <apachelogger> and thus owncloud install fails
[12:19] <apachelogger> whether or not that is good behaviour is arguable
[12:21] <Riddell> Syntax error on line 17 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/kolab:  blame kolab
[12:25] <Riddell> hi bambee, language selector is in!
[12:25] <bambee> I saw that... nice :D
[12:28] <bambee> Riddell: I'll send you a patch for kdebase-runtime in the afternoon
[12:28] <bambee> (drop language-selector patch and bump it to 4.6.0-0ubuntu2)
[12:28] <Riddell> bambee: oh I already did that
[12:28] <Riddell> trivial to do
[12:28] <bambee> oh great
[12:29] <bambee> :)
[12:29] <Riddell> what I'm wondering now is the upgrade hook thing
[12:29] <bambee> i.e ?
[12:30] <bambee> s/i.e/ie/
[12:30] <Riddell> something, and I can't remember what, puts a file in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[12:30] <Riddell> which tells kubuntu-notification-helper to call check-language-support
[12:31] <Riddell> and if check-language-support says there's a missing language pack it tells it to run language-selector
[12:31] <Riddell> which presumably needs to be updated now that language-selector is a kcm not standalone
[12:31] <bambee> ohh that
[12:34] <Riddell> I wish I remember what put the file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[12:34]  * Quintasan doesnt get this whole ownCloud stuff
[12:35] <bambee> incomplete-language-support-kde.note ?
[12:35] <Riddell> bambee: that sounds about right
[12:35] <Riddell> where is that?
[12:35] <bambee> in data/
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: I wish people documented that stuff
[12:36] <bambee> or in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ when it's installed
[12:36] <Riddell> bambee: ah hah, so that command needs to be updated
[12:37] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/571073/  <--- like that ?
[12:37] <Riddell> bambee: yes
[12:37] <bambee> :)
[12:40] <Riddell> bambee: yofel had some ponderings on the UI, see the irc logs from last night
[12:41] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[12:43] <bambee> where I can find irc logs btw ? (except my client, because I was disconnected)
[12:43] <Riddell> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[12:43] <bambee> nice :)
[12:48] <bambee> Riddell: revert "Apply" when the user switch tab is a good idea... revert or ask for changes
[12:53] <Riddell> yes
[13:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Are rbelem's changes for Samba already in our packages?
[13:24] <bambee> yofel: in your opinion, revert apply on every tab changes is correct ?
[13:25] <yofel> that's what I think is easiest to understand, as it's easy to do a change on one tab currently, then decide not to apply it, change another tab and forget the changes on the other tab might still get applied
[13:27] <bambee> actually changes are applied only for the current tab (not for all)
[13:28] <yofel> ah, then it's still confusing that apply is still enabled when switching to another tab that I didn no changes to
[13:28] <bambee> and I changed code to revert "apply" when the current tab change, it seems good
[13:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[13:28] <bambee> yofel: I agree
[13:28] <yofel> bambee: ok, I can live with that
[13:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: Kinda can't find it :(
[13:28] <bambee> that's why revert "apply" when the current tab changes is a good idea.. I think
[13:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: what version of kdenetwork-filesharing do you have?
[13:31] <Quintasan> 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu4
[13:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: and the share tab in file properties shows whta?
[13:32] <Riddell> what
[13:32] <Quintasan> oh it worked
[13:32] <Quintasan> turns our it needed a restart
[13:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Why does it use KPK and not QApt?
[13:33] <bambee> yofel: could you try this patch ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/571106/
[13:35] <bambee> basically: the apply button and selected items are reverted when the current tab changes ;)
[13:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: packagekit is cross distro
[13:35] <Quintasan> Hmm, right.
[13:36] <Quintasan> That went upstream, didn't it?
[13:36] <Riddell> yes this samba support is upstream
[13:37] <Quintasan> How long do they plan to keep the X stack broken?
[13:37] <Quintasan> FFS
[13:38] <yofel> bambee: much better :)
[13:38] <bambee> yofel: hehe :)
[13:54] <bambee> Someone could commit the following patch in lp:language-selector for me ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/571112/
[13:55] <bambee> (I'm at university there)
[13:56] <Riddell> bambee: yes but could you use paste.kde.org?
[13:56] <Riddell> I can't wget with p.u.c which makes it so much more hassle
[13:56] <bambee> sure
[13:57] <bambee> http://paste.kde.org/5673/
[13:59] <Riddell> hmm, I think that patch suffers from the annoying konsole putting spaces at the end of lines issue
[14:00] <bambee> aaarfff
[14:00] <Riddell> I've applied it by hand
[14:01] <bambee> ok
[14:02] <Riddell> committed
[14:02] <bambee> thanks ;)
[14:03] <Quintasan> I wonder why Strigi is so mentally challenged
[14:03] <Quintasan> Damned KDE keeps mumbling about Strigi turned off and System settings say it is indexing
[14:15] <ScottK> One day we'll all have 16 core CPU netbooks and phones and Strigi will have almost enough CPU.
[14:20] <Quintasan> lol
[14:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: More like "Enough CPU when I create I cluster from these devices"
[14:20] <yofel> yeah, and as soon everyone of use uses SSDs nepomukfilewatch won't be noticible too
[14:20] <ScottK> Maybe.
[16:45] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:15] <lucidfox> How do I select a theme for GTK3?
[18:09] <apachelogger> lucidfox: there is no KDE gui for that I believe
[18:10] <lucidfox> Oops, wait, wrong channel
[18:10] <lucidfox> #kubuntu-devel, I meant #ubuntu-devel
[18:10] <lucidfox> (I was actually looking for any way at all, not necessarily a GUI one)
[18:11] <apachelogger> lucidfox: surely you just need to drop a .gtk-3-rc or somesuch
[19:03] <bambee> yeah... after an upgrade xorg is dead xD
[19:03] <bambee> apparently it drops xserver-xorg-video-nouveau because xorg-video-abi-9.0 is missing
[19:04] <bambee> I probably missed something in dist-upgrade o_O
[19:05] <yofel> erm, there is no nvidia driver for xserver 1.10 yet, so either use old X or nouveau
[19:06] <yofel> or didn't you properly keep all X packages back?
[19:06] <bambee> indeed
[19:06] <yofel> as nvidia-current needs  xorg-video-abi-8.0 and everything else  xorg-video-abi-9.0
[19:06] <bambee> I just upgraded without pay attention
[19:06] <bambee> yofel: no I use nouveau not nvidia-current
[19:06] <yofel> well, nouveau works reasonable here (without 3D)
[19:07]  * yofel installs latest updates
[19:08] <bambee> thanks irssi :D
[19:08] <yofel> ^^
[19:09] <yofel> nothing to update here, seems like todays X rebuilds didn't make it yet to my mirror
[19:12] <bambee> I used the wrong mirror at the wrong time 
[19:13] <yofel> feel free to come to #ubuntu+1 - all sorts of breakage currently ^^
[19:29] <bambee> I'm an idiot ! dist-upgrade says me "the following packages will be removed" on my laptop (which works) and I made the upgrade on my desktop o_O
[19:30] <afiestas> is possible to package bluedevil-git before the freeze?
[19:33] <apachelogger> afiestas: if you throw sufficient amounts of money at me :P
[19:35] <afiestas> apachelogger: like an stripper?
[19:35] <apachelogger> yus
[19:35] <bambee> apachelogger: you don't accept cookies ? :P
[19:35] <bambee> or beer ?
[19:35] <apachelogger> no
[19:35] <apachelogger> beer works
[19:35] <bambee> tssss :p
[19:35] <bambee> aaah :)
[19:35] <bambee> or beer with cookies :p
[19:35]  * afiestas throws some beers to apachelogger xD
[19:36] <apachelogger> ouch
[19:39] <afiestas> apachelogger: if needed (because of ubuntu policy or something) I can create a tag 
[19:39] <apachelogger> not necessary
[19:39] <apachelogger> time would be good though :S
[19:40] <afiestas> time? to create the package or when we'll releaase 1.1 final?
[19:40] <apachelogger> to create the package
[19:41] <afiestas> sorry >.< no new dependencies though
[20:13] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer_: is it you on this photo? http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072198401_NZJSm
[20:18] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Yes.  That's him.  On the right is the back of apachelogger's head.
[20:19] <ari-tczew> ScottK: are you there as well?
[20:19] <ScottK> Not in that photo.  That's mgraesslin to the left.
[20:23] <apachelogger> the back of my head!
[20:23] <apachelogger> muahahah
[20:23] <apachelogger> also note the stylish position of my badge
[20:24]  * apachelogger actually ran out of options by the end of the week
[20:24] <apachelogger> I could have attached it to a shoe maybe
[20:35] <ScottK> Note how the weight of shadeslayer_'s incredibly_large_and_heavy_but_still_slow laptop causes him to list.  This was not unusual.
[20:36] <ScottK> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072189809_NUEjy is rbelem.
[20:38] <bambee> apachelogger: I love the stylish position of your badge lool
[20:56] <yofel> great, I'm getting dolphin crashes..
[20:57] <yofel> and ptrace: Operation not permitted. is back -.-
[21:01] <yofel> why am I getting a tiff crash when hovering over a .CR2 file o.O? (canon camera raw file) http://paste.kde.org/5717/
[21:02] <yofel> disabled tooltips for now..
[21:14] <micahg> hi, are we fully migrated to QT 4.7 in natty?
[21:14] <ScottK> micahg: Compared to what?
[21:15] <ScottK> We don't ship multiple Qt4 versions.
[21:15] <micahg> ScottK: ok, so everything moves at once (compared to 4.6)
[21:15] <micahg> ScottK: just saw a post on the qt webkit devel list about dropping 4.6 support on trunk
[21:16] <micahg> so, if we're on 4.7 in natty, we're good
[21:16] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.  Qt gives a binary compatibility gaurantee for the life of Qt4, so modulo bugs, things don't have to be rebuilt.
[21:16] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:16] <micahg> ScottK: I'm concerned with webkit security updates once natty releases :)
[21:16] <ScottK> Reasonably so.
[22:04] <debfx> hrm, why is there no language-selector-qt transitional package
[22:10] <Riddell> debfx: it's seeded directly so it should get picked up once kubuntu-meta is refreshed
[22:11] <debfx> Riddell: still it's not a nice way to rename a package
[22:15] <valorie> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open/
[22:16] <Riddell> ooh
[22:17] <ScottK> Right.  Blogs are the official way the project communicates again.
[22:21] <ScottK> Riddell: When I tried to update today it wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[22:24] <ulysses> Will be availeble Synaptiks on Launchpad for translation? It says no template for it: 
[22:24] <ulysses> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptiks
[22:24] <debfx> ScottK: kubuntu-desktop still depends on -qt
[22:24] <maco> ulysses: kde translations are usually done within kde
[22:25] <ScottK> Synaptiks isn't core KDE, so it should ship it's own translations.
[22:25] <ulysses> I found a synaptiks.pot in playground-utils
[22:26] <ulysses> It contains 180 messages, but the template from git contains only 108 messages
[22:27] <debfx_> maco: synaptiks doesn't use the kde infastructure
[22:27] <maco> debfx_: ScottK beat you to it
[22:29] <Riddell> ScottK: that's because kubuntu-meta needs updating
[22:29] <Riddell> I'll do that now
[22:29] <Riddell> ScottK: blogs are better than twitter at least
[22:29] <ScottK> True.
[22:29] <ScottK> Mail to u-d-a would be nice though.