[00:00] <proti> strace shows the initctl is waiting from the socket /com/ubuntu/upstart
[00:01] <proti> hggdh: Ok, since you are in control may I leave ? It's 1AM here (france GMT+1), I'll go on at work if necessary tomorow.
[00:02] <hggdh> proti: yes (but I would discuss more carefully the 'in control' part ;-)
[00:03] <proti> hggdh: think => You can be stuck the same way as I do -> reproducable.
[00:03] <hggdh> oh
[00:03] <hggdh> indeed
[00:08] <proti> hggdh: stracing the init shows it exchanges some messages with initctl but does nothing else.
[00:09] <proti> hggdh: could it be because there is no dbus running or not ?
[00:10] <proti> not really
[00:10] <proti> initctl dbus start is ok
[00:10] <proti> but start mountall is still stuck
[00:11] <proti> Ok I'm now out of ideas.
[00:12] <proti> hggdh: If something brillant comes trough you brain, PM me. I'll leave the session open. I'll be reading tomorow.
[00:12] <proti> This issue is quite serious. I can't find a workaround at this time of the night.
[00:13] <proti> Sleeps will be helping I hope.
[00:13] <proti> gn
[00:25] <hggdh> gn
[00:54] <hggdh> proti: opened bug 723482
[02:30] <ecinx3> when I wake my laptop from sleep it, the screen doesn't turn back on
[02:30] <ecinx3> anymore
[05:19] <jose-neto> i need help
[05:19] <jose-neto> my ubuntu is not showing the bars i cant get arround anywhere
[05:21] <jose-neto> help
[05:21] <jose-neto> i cannot navigate anywhere on the computer
[05:23] <jose-neto> chanserv there is nobody here
[05:32] <jose-neto> help
[08:31] <zniavre> good morning
[08:32] <coz_> zniavre,  hey guy
[08:34] <zniavre> i hav found an old laptop to play with natty
[08:34] <zniavre> :o)
[08:38] <syrinx> who's here?
[08:38] <coz_> syrinx,  well apparenlty there must be a net spit on the server
[08:38] <coz_> syrinx,  which means one of the servers has gone down or has trouble
[08:39] <syrinx> ahhh
[08:39] <syrinx> wasn't me
[08:39] <coz_> syrinx,  so some people may not be able to log on at the moment... it will be fixed
[08:39] <syrinx> i think you may be able to help me
[08:40] <coz_> syrinx,  for 10.10  we would have to be in the main channel
[09:43] <Eruaran> I have an nvidia 9400GT and am wondering what driver is safe to install if I want 3D graphics? The 'Additional Drivers' dialogue offers 3 drivers and I'm not sure which one to use.
[09:47] <coz_> Eruaran,  I believe nvidia i broken on natty
[09:47] <coz_> is broken
[09:47] <Eruaran> great
[09:47] <Eruaran> because I gave up on ati
[09:47] <coz_> Eruaran,  when fixed you want to install the nvidia-current driver
[09:47] <coz_> Eruaran,  that is broken too
[09:47] <Eruaran> k
[09:48] <Eruaran> what about experimental?
[09:48] <coz_> Eruaran,  I dont know... I didint update my system with xserver stuff so I still have nvidia wroking here
[09:48] <coz_> Eruaran,  I havent had the need to find a workaround
[09:49] <coz_> Eruaran,  I am sure others here are far more experiences with this than I am ...so hand out :)
[09:49] <Eruaran> k
[09:49] <coz_> Eruaran,  I know ati and nvidia are still broken
[09:50] <coz_> for sure nvidia  but let me check updates hold on
[09:51] <coz_> yep nvidia is still broken
[10:23] <cjohnston> Has anyone else been getting a Partial Upgrade message for abour 4 or 5 days now?
[10:24] <gnomefreak> no but im not upgrading from maverick atm
[10:26] <cjohnston> Gotcha.. I'm on +1, and been getting that for days.. Last time I upgraded on a partial I had issues so I don't want to upgrade, but at the same time, I'm getting a bunch of crashes
[10:26] <cjohnston> but the computer operates
[10:26] <gnomefreak> quit
[10:28] <cjohnston> ?
[12:11] <rye> hello, anybody uses Xephyr on natty? Some days ago the -keybd ephyr,,,xkbmodel=evdev stopped working properly
[12:48] <coz_> hey guys.  todays update including "mount"  now system does not see my second hard drive
[12:48] <yofel> coz_: doesn't see or doesn't mount it? (sudo fdisk -l    to check if it's seen)
[12:49] <coz_> yofel,   ok hold on
[12:50] <coz_> yofel,  no the system doesn not seeit just the linux disk
[12:50] <yofel> hm, I would blame the kernel then
[12:50] <yofel> try an older one
[12:50] <coz_> ooo wait
[12:50] <coz_> no it doesnt see it
[12:50] <coz_> yofel,  I dont think its the kernel ,, it was fine until mount was updated
[12:51] <coz_> let me check in synaptic
[12:51] <yofel> then check dmesg if the kernel does see the drive at all
[12:52] <yofel> mount is only responsible for mounting it, not for creating the device file
[12:52] <yofel> that's the job of kernel/udev I think
[12:57] <coz_> yofel,  the system sees the drive
[12:58] <coz_> scisi bios sees it   grub sees it as well
[12:58] <coz_> but in DE  Places does not  list it
[12:58] <yofel> and kernel shows in dmesg that it sees it?
[12:58] <coz_> yofel,  yep
[12:59] <yofel> does it say as what device it was added?
[12:59] <coz_> ah let me check again
[13:00] <yofel> here it shows it as:
[13:00] <yofel> [    3.876115] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[13:00] <yofel> [    3.876507]  sda: sda1 sda2
[13:00] <yofel> [    3.876698] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[13:00] <coz_> yofel,  what do you mean "as what device it was added"
[13:00] <yofel> so I can find it as sda with 2 partitions
[13:00] <yofel>  /dev/sda I mean
[13:04] <coz_> yofel,  well if I am doing this correctly   a  dmesg | grep sda reads
[13:04] <coz_> 35.199578] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] 35843686 512-byte logical blocks: (18.3 GB/17.0 GiB)
[13:04] <coz_> [   35.200781] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[13:04] <coz_> [   35.200788] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: ab 00 10 08
[13:04] <coz_> [   35.202305] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, supports DPO and FUA
[13:05] <coz_> which is the drive not showing up in the menus for mounting
[13:05] <coz_> sdb would be the linux drive
[13:05] <yofel> hm, then the kernel sees it, but the device file isn't created so there's nothing to mount
[13:05] <coz_> apparenlty
[13:06] <coz_> yofel,  any quick way to regenerate that file?
[13:07] <yofel> not really, it's udevs job to create that on boot I think, but there was no recent udev update...
[13:07] <yofel> at least I don't know how to do it
[13:07] <coz_> well I know it was fine until I updated this morening let me check synaptic again for histroy
[13:15] <coz_> ok I will update everything that does not effect nvidia  and reboot to see if there is a change
[13:19] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:19] <zniavre> any way to restore the unity-2D panel please?
[13:19] <zniavre> i got only one indicator and not the most usefull
[13:21] <susundberg> Dont know the proper solution but brute force would be remove/rename your home directory
[13:22] <zniavre> ouch ...  :o)
[13:24] <zniavre> i was thinking something less "strong"
[13:24] <coz_> ah no change :(
[13:38] <coz_> yofel,  on the linux channel I did do blkid  which only sees the linux drive but udisks --enumerate sees all drives  but someone said  udidsks  , "that's what gnome uses, so if it's not visible in ui but udisks knows about it, it's being hidden on purpose"
[13:39] <coz_> I am not sure that would be it
[13:40] <yofel> I've no experience with udisks, so I'm clueless :(
[13:40] <coz_> ok thanks
[13:41] <coz_> I will see what I can dig up
[13:55] <proti> hggdh: ping
[13:58] <hggdh> proti: morning
[13:58] <proti> morning.
[13:58] <hggdh> proti: no advance. I cannot *repeat* my feats of yesterday
[13:58] <proti> hggdh: I found a workaround.
[13:59] <hggdh> yes? \o/
[13:59] <proti> Just comment all the entries in fstab that refers to an UUID.
[13:59] <proti> Then mountall runs ok.
[14:00] <hggdh> proti: can you update the bug with it?
[14:00] <proti> I was doing it :-).
[14:00] <hggdh> great! YES!
[14:00] <hggdh> now why the hell??
[14:00] <proti> hum, cause mountall is racy...
[14:01] <proti> just quoting.
[14:01] <proti> I can cope without having the swap and /boot mounted for the moment if I can boot the system.
[14:04] <proti> hggdh: Should be easy to reproduce now. Start mountall with a mix of UUID and LVM entries in fstab and see what happens.
[14:06] <proti> hggdh: posted.
[14:08] <proti> hggdh: I'd say when mountall is given an UUID, it has to scan all possible devices to find the UUID and hangs at some of it for an unknown reason.
[14:36] <hggdh> proti: this sounds strangely familiar...
[14:36] <proti> Wrong hope.
[14:37] <proti> I rebooted and the system is still stuck, with or without UUID.
[14:37] <hggdh> ah
[14:37] <hggdh> this sort of matches with my failure to reproduce
[14:37] <proti> The worst is that a simple mount -a is doing ok.
[14:37] <proti> Whereas mountall blocks.
[14:37] <hggdh> it depends on some ordering (that I have not yet figured out)
[14:38] <proti> I'm out of suggestion for now.
[14:39] <proti> Maybe some watchdog would help there.
[14:40] <proti> hggdh: What did you fail to reproduce ?
[14:41] <hggdh> proti: I was able to get up to X
[14:41] <hggdh> but could not reliably reproduce
[14:42] <proti> Rhaaa, not fair... I'm the only one cursed.
[14:42] <proti> how ? You mean it hangs from time to time ?
[14:42] <charlie-tca> I updated my Xubuntu natty last night, and it rebooted for me
[14:43] <krzysiek> Hi. When nvidia drivers for new Xorg will be released?
[14:43] <hggdh> charlie-tca: and you do not use multiple filesystems, correct?
[14:44] <yofel> no ETA for that, as soon as nvidia releases one
[14:44] <charlie-tca> let me think now
[14:44] <charlie-tca> might be ext3 and ext4, but that would be all
[14:44] <bjsnider> yofel, can you get somebody to put that in the topic? then we can just say "read the topic"
[14:44] <charlie-tca> this system has both natty and maverick on it
[14:45] <krzysiek> yofel: what "ETA" means? (i am not good at english)
[14:45] <proti> I think I'm gonna install a small debian next to natty. Just in case....
[14:45] <proti> krzysiek: Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA)
[14:46] <krzysiek> Ok. Thanx :)
[14:46] <proti> hggdh: would an strace of an ltrace of the process be of any help ?
[14:46] <proti> The mountall hangs here in a reliable way.
[14:47] <hggdh> proti: it is a try
[14:48] <proti> Well no luck. I started the mountall with ltrace , and it started all the system (or is a coincidence).
[14:49] <proti> I'll try again later.
[14:50] <proti> One little thing completely unrelated -> at home I have an alu apple keyboard.
[14:50] <proti> When starting with init=/bin/bash, the mapping is perfect.
[14:51] <proti> But when I reach X (and the text console), the <> and @# keys are swapped.
[14:51] <proti> Or it's something new to the 2.6.38 kernels.
[14:52] <yofel> we had a bug in console setup once which set the keyboard layout to US,AF by default - check what you have in /etc/default/keyboard
[14:52] <hggdh> it may well be something else missing from startup. I was able to reach X, for example, byt ecryptfs was not set
[14:54] <proti> How does an initctl start cryptdisks-enable sounds ?
[14:55] <proti> hggdh: ltrace file is 1.4 Mb.
[14:55] <proti> I can compress it.
[14:55] <proti> May I attach it to the but report ?
[14:55] <proti> bug*
[14:56] <hggdh> proti: yes, you can attach it. No need to compress
[14:57] <espen77> how can i remove the windows partitions icons from the unity launcher?
[14:59] <proti> ltrace is ok or do you want strace too ?
[15:30] <proti> hggdh: I'm lost. One time it hangs, one time it works, and I'm don't really know why.
[15:30] <hggdh> proti: yes, same here. I wonder if upstart events are getting lost
[15:56] <bencer_> hi all, i've prepared updated packages for libebox and ebox-* which i'm uploading to my ppa, which should be the procedure to request their inclusion in natty?
[15:57] <espen77> bencer_: try asking in #ubuntu-motu
[15:58] <bencer_> espen77: ok thanks
[16:11] <proti> hggdh: Some info maybe unrelated, when launching some commands like : ps aux |grep mountall
[16:12] <proti> I have to push a key sometimes to get the output.
[16:13] <proti> Like if something was stuck somewhere, and pushing a key generated an interrupt and make the flow goes.
[16:14] <hggdh> proti: this may be just a consequence of upstart missing/failing to keep on with the boot
[16:16] <proti> Myabe
[16:16] <proti> maybe*
[16:19] <proti> hggdh: I suggest that upstart implements some kind of watchdog/timeout/stuck detection for avoiding such issues (or at least making them less painfull).
[16:19] <proti> Especially with its satellites mountall and brothers.
[17:43] <mehmann> can i install ubuntu 11.04 with  LUKS from the alternate cd ?
[18:07] <om26er> i am stuck in a situation here. installing daily build, partitionor does not start, busy cursor
[18:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:19] <charlie-tca> been doing that a couple of days.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> om26er: 64bit?
[18:20] <om26er> charlie-tca, 32bit
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Only thing I found that worked is trying the other image
[18:20] <om26er> charlie-tca, alternative image?
[18:21] <om26er> i was wondering if there is a method to install using the debian installer from within the live session
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I go back and forth between them to get one that works. Desktop worked good yesterday
[18:35] <charlie-tca> live session doesn't have debian-installer on the cd, does it?
[18:46] <genii-around> That latest nouveau update fixed a prob I was having where it wasn't able to do the full 1680x945 before. Am still getting some screen artifcats though.
[18:46] <genii-around> artifacts, rather
[18:57] <lmojzis> howdy
[18:57] <lmojzis> Is there anybody who can help me installing 11.04? I have problem with ubiquity... I enter the installer, change my language and go to next screen... then it hangs, when I click next (on thah screen that say i am connected to internet, i am on AC power and gives me option to install proprietary SW) PLS
[18:57] <lmojzis> I just need to get past that screen
[18:58] <lmojzis> now i tried upgrading recently
[18:58] <lmojzis> maybe that could help
[18:58] <lmojzis> Nope, didn`t
[18:58] <charlie-tca> cd's are broken today
[18:58] <lmojzis> I see...
[18:59] <lmojzis> Isn`t there any way? I mean alternative installer or using ubiquity from maverick...
[19:01] <Pici> Don't use today's CDs.  Try the A2 cd.
[19:06] <lmojzis> Pici: Today`s cds at least shows gnome... A2 wasnt able to be loaded, it crashed on loading... I found out a sollution. I just had to use noacpi option from installer bootloader... But then nothing really worked well... I chrooted then on the system, did apt-get upgrade and rebooted and then the system ran into just login shell and nothing else... I tried logging as root and firing startx and gdm etc. and nothing worked... What is the suggestion? I have
[19:06] <lmojzis> that sh*tty MacBookPro 7-1 from Mapple...
[19:08] <lmojzis> I know there`s allways a way to use maverick, but I just thought I ain`t giving up halfway...
[19:08] <charlie-tca> try yesterday's cd, it worked
[19:09] <charlie-tca> take it back, it hung too
[19:09] <lmojzis> charlie-tca: really? Alright... Is it possible to load current live CD to ram without restarting, so i will be able to burn it
[19:09] <lmojzis> oh i see
[19:09] <Konstigt> hey boys & girls. need to use natty for testing a possible kernel problem but X won't start (installed alpha 2 and dist-upgraded fully as of today). This is my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571307/
[19:10] <Konstigt> anyone knows why Xorg segfaults? is it a known problem?
[19:10] <syrinx> @charlie, you could make a usb startup drive
[19:10] <lmojzis> Konstigt: personally, i never faced it recently
[19:11] <charlie-tca> syrinx: actually, I can not boot from usb, so that would be worthless, wouldn't it?
[19:11] <syrinx> yea in that case it would lol
[19:14] <lmojzis> syrinx: feaucking MacBook Pro... I hate it right now... It doesnt even have a num keys... And booting from USB or card doesn't work as well... too expensive to not work...
[19:16] <lmojzis> syrinx, charlie-tca: So would I do best installing Maverick?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> today, probably
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, just give it a day or so to get fixed
[19:17] <lmojzis> charlie-tca: What about keeping extra partition for dailies and using stable?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> That works for me. I have maverick that runs daily on one system, and two partitions I alternate to test Natty installs
[19:20] <lmojzis> Strange is that I recently had problems installing debian as well lol... In the text mode it stuck and on cons. 4 there was prompt, whether i wanna install unreliable packages and it was not continuable...
[19:20] <lmojzis> cause was ol' keys
[19:21] <lmojzis> so back to my question, is it possible to burn it from actual running live cd without rebooting? Like moving OS to ram (as toram param0
[19:21] <lmojzis> *param)
[19:22] <lmojzis> (to burn Maverick)
[19:23] <lmojzis> or is it possible to download maverick iso and run it from there? Chroot
[19:23] <lmojzis> or what
[19:23] <lmojzis> sorry for my dumb questions >:)
[19:23] <lmojzis> :)
[19:23] <gnomefreak> lmojzis: please join #ubuntu for maverick questions
[19:24] <lmojzis> gnomefreak: this is general, i think... (download distro and run it from already running livecd)
[19:28] <Konstigt> wtf.. now I'm not getting the segfault any longer but it cannot load any modules. http://paste.ubuntu.com/571313/
[19:28] <gnomefreak> lmojzis: this channel is not a general support channel it is stricktly Natty support/discussion. please join #ubuntu for help with your question
[19:30] <Konstigt> sigh.. why can't I start X. Is it possible to debug this further? (II) LoadModule: "intel" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module intel
[19:31] <Konstigt> and the same for vesa and fbdev
[19:36] <gnomefreak> right now X is still being updated and intel was one of the problems. please see the link in the /topic about X
[19:37] <gnomefreak> there is a good chance you will have that bug. however there are alot of X updates in todays batch, maybe help or maybe not, i dont know yet
[20:00] <gnomefreak> ok after filtering through the updates only 1 is held back due to problems
[20:02] <gnomefreak> yep language-selector-common is the only one not to update yet
[20:05] <gnomefreak> lets see what breaks :)
[20:16] <gnomefreak> anyone running natty/unity with gnome-terminal that can test something for me, i can also use someone running classic desktop with gnome-terminal test as well.
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:18] <pr0ph3t> anyone else having mouse and touchpad issues after the last update?
[20:21] <pr0ph3t> I just did the last partial upgrade and now the pointer doesn't move, I can just click, left and right
[20:22] <BUGa_TopGear> pr0ph3t: protip NEVER do partial upgrades
[20:23] <pr0ph3t> that's what I get most of the times, it just says that for various reasons I should do a partial upgrade, because there are too many updates
[20:23] <duffolonious> BUGa_TopGear: what's your recommended alternative?
[20:23] <pr0ph3t> or because a previous update did not go well, which is not the case
[20:23] <BUGa_TopGear> duffolonious: I use aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:24] <duffolonious> ahhh
[20:24] <BUGa_TopGear> and when clear, I do a full-upgrade
[20:24] <pr0ph3t> you mean apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
[20:25] <BUGa_TopGear> no. I mean aptitude, really
[20:25] <duffolonious> apt-get update && apt-get safe-upgrade && apt-get full-upgrade
[20:26] <yofel> pr0ph3t: you should read up on partial upgrades - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400
[20:27] <pr0ph3t> yofel, thanks will do, and I don't get the safe/full-upgrade options
[20:28] <yofel> pr0ph3t: aptitude is a different apt interface from apt-get
[20:28] <yofel> apt-get install aptitude
[20:28] <yofel> has  a different dependency resolver
[20:28] <duffolonious> yeah, my bad
[20:29] <gnomefreak> be careful with language-selector-common it wants to remove language-selector ubuntu-desktop  other than that everything seems fine at least on my system
[20:29] <BUGa_TopGear> for years apitude been saving my life when running devel
[20:29] <gnomefreak> yofel: aptitude is installed by default IIRC
[20:29] <yofel> aptitude safe-upgrade will upgrade most things without breaking anything hopefully, full-upgrade will do all updates - potentially removing important things
[20:30] <yofel> gnomefreak: not on desktops since maverick
[20:31] <pr0ph3t> how do I know whether it's safe to do full-upgrade then?
[20:31] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[20:31] <yofel> it will tell you what it does before it does anything
[20:31] <yofel> read it and decide if you want to do that
[20:32] <yofel> aptitude can offer different resolutions for a dependency conflict too
[20:32] <gnomefreak> upgrading from maverick to natty at this time is not a safe bet
[20:32] <gnomefreak> hint X is still broken
[20:32] <yofel> aptitude also has a curses interface which is nice in some cases (run sudo aptitude without options)
[20:32] <gnomefreak> see link in topic
[20:32] <duffolonious> is update-manager yet a different resolver?
[20:33] <pr0ph3t> duffolonious, that's what I used
[20:33] <yofel> duffolonious: no idea, but it has the major downside that it doesn't tell you what it'll do before you click ok
[20:33] <duffolonious> partial update only seems to exist their
[20:34] <yofel> so usually you should switch to apt-get / aptitude once you get a partial upgrade prompt
[20:34] <gnomefreak> it is the safest upgrade options, but atm from maverick to natty it will likely only allow a partial upgrade since ubuntu-desktop will be removed
[20:34] <yofel> or wait until the conflicts are resolved
[20:35] <gnomefreak> partial upgrade is not far from a broken system. i suggest waiting 1 week at this time
[20:36] <gnomefreak> hopfully some of the X fixes will have landed as well as the language-selector-common problem
[20:49] <pr0ph3t> re all
[20:50] <pr0ph3t> still the touchpad doesn't work, maybe the elantech driver is broken? any suggestions how to find out? Thanks for previous tips by the way, I'll only use aptitude for upgrades from now on
[20:50] <gnomefreak> yofel: are you on gnome/unity or gnome/classic?
[20:51] <gnomefreak> if the package updates using apt or aptitude isnt going to decide if it works or fails to work
[20:52] <gnomefreak> if there is unmet depends or any confliks than aptitude and apt may have different output
[20:52] <gnomefreak> conflicts
[20:53] <yofel> on KDE
[20:54] <yofel> and pr0ph3t was the one with the partial upgrade
[20:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:54] <pr0ph3t> yes, hi
[20:55] <yofel> start by looking if there are any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:55] <pr0ph3t> I plugged in a wireless mouse and it works fine, but the touchpad still doesn't
[20:55] <pr0ph3t> yofel, referred to me I take it
[20:55] <yofel> yep
[20:55] <gnomefreak> since it seems that update-manager can not resolve conflicts with language-selector-common it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop. you "should" beable to upgdate everything but that one package (also depends on what packages you have installed and if they are official packages
[20:56] <gnomefreak> )*
[21:04] <FloridaGuy> is nvidia working in natty yet
[21:06] <pr0ph3t> yofel, what should I look for in there? It recognises the touchpad and sets speed, acceleration etc, and the last message I get is: [   853.512] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
[21:06] <pr0ph3t> right after (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad (/dev/input/mouse0)
[21:07] <yofel> hm, no, only (WW) or (EE) messages would be interesting if it doesn't work
[21:07] <gnomefreak> FloridaGuy: i think it is just the nvidia-current drivers
[21:07] <yofel> any driver error in 'dmesg' output?
[21:08] <yofel> FloridaGuy: no, still no proprietary driver
[21:09] <FloridaGuy> what about nvidia latest beta
[21:10] <yofel> doesn't work
[21:10] <FloridaGuy> ok
[21:11] <gnomefreak> FloridaGuy: X is the source of the problem causing the drivers to fail
[21:11] <FloridaGuy> xorg
[21:11] <gnomefreak> we will change the /topic when it has been resolved or at least around that time
[21:13] <pr0ph3t> yofel, input: ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input12, this line, the platform driver is asus_laptop usually
[21:14] <yofel> hm out of ideas then - maybe poke in #ubuntu-x for debugging instructions or search on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/ for something useful
[21:32] <gnomefreak> anyone kno whow to open your home dir. in nautilus in unity. i dont have it as a menu entry anywhere
[21:33] <gnomefreak> it seems that using the ubuntu icon in upper left gives you a choice including find folders and the one option that doesnt work is find folders
[21:33] <gnomefreak> sorry find files
[22:07] <espen77> setting full transparancy and autohide for unity makes a very nice looking desktop.
[23:34] <LuckySMack_Work> anyone have any experience with natty on an ATI Radeon HD 5570? When I tried to install it, unity kept crashing and making impossible to move my windows or interact with the system. I would have to reboot.
[23:35] <LuckySMack_Work> i tried the proprietary driver as well and had the same result.
[23:38] <Daekdroom> LuckySMack_Work, Unity is too unstable
[23:38] <Daekdroom> LuckySMack_Work, you should use classic GNOME for now, really.
[23:39] <LuckySMack_Work> yea that was the replies to people issues i saw in the forums so far.is there a way to set the default when installing the OS?
[23:42] <espen77> LuckySMack_Work: you can choose it when logging on
[23:42] <LuckySMack_Work> oh yea thats true. shoulda been obvious. i usually set it to auto login when installing.
[23:45] <cozziemoto> LuckySMack_Work,  choose  classic gnome ( no effects)  probably
[23:46] <cozziemoto> guys I am reinstallin 10.10  to see if the issue I had earlier repeats itself... so get  natty finished,,, I really dislike maverick :)