[09:58] <daxroc> Morning all
[10:00] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:03] <ebel> morning
[10:04] <czajkowski> how are we all doing ?
[10:04] <slashtom> morning
[10:14]  * ebel has tea!
[10:14] <ebel> wonderous tea!
[10:20] <slashtom> is ebel awake now?
[10:20] <ebel> slashtom: moreso
[10:20] <czajkowski> tea makes the day all good
[10:29] <slashtom> i've just been told that i'm on the list for a new laptop
[10:30] <ebel> yay!
[10:31] <czajkowski> whoo
[10:33] <slashtom> i already have 2 on my desk
[10:33] <slashtom> soon i will be king of my cubicle!
[11:37] <ebel> God FG are rubbish at the web
[11:37] <terran> did you play their platformer
[11:39] <czajkowski> that annoying game from hell
[11:51] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/
[11:54]  * tdr112 thinks czajkowski copyed her email into a blog post 
[11:54] <czajkowski> I did
[12:00] <czajkowski> tdr112: I have a lot of mails to get out these days
[12:00] <czajkowski> one needs to do a bit of making my life easier!
[12:05] <tdr112> cztab notting wrong with that
[13:17] <czajkowski> tdr112: you free?
[13:17] <czajkowski> need someone to test something for me on Ubuntu
[13:17] <czajkowski> https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/2226574/0
[13:17] <czajkowski> can someone log into Ubuntu one
[13:17] <czajkowski> and see if you can search for music and even buy a song?
[13:21] <ebel> czajkowski: not available to paddies
[13:21] <ebel> "This song is not available to buy from the Ubuntu One Music Store in your country. Sorry!"
[13:22] <ebel> (Although I haven't set up an ubuntu one account, i'm not logged in and i've never bought music from it, so it /miiight/ be different if you are logged in)
[13:22] <czajkowski> ebel: but you can get to one.Ubuntu.com
[13:22] <czajkowski> just your launchpad ac to sign in
[13:24] <ebel> czajkowski: no change after i login & signup to ubuntu one
[13:25] <czajkowski> hmmm
[13:25] <czajkowski> so logging a bug
[13:25] <ebel> I think it's intentional
[13:25] <ebel> ish
[13:25] <ebel> They had to licence it from the big music labels
[13:26] <czajkowski> ireland uk laws differ it seems
[13:26] <ebel> I think $ETHNIC_GROUP_1 gets music from all 4 big labels
[13:26] <ebel> $ETHNIC_GROUP_2 can get it from 2 labels.
[13:26] <czajkowski> Ireland falls under EU
[13:26] <czajkowski> so we get 2 of the 4 big labels
[13:26] <czajkowski> UK differs from UK
[13:26] <ebel> and $ETHNIC_GROUP_3 can get creative commons licence.
[13:26] <czajkowski> UK differs from EU
[13:26] <ebel> It's per country, not per EU alas.
[13:27] <czajkowski> ebel: eh no,
[13:27] <czajkowski> there seems to be a massive difference in what I can buy when in UK and what I can buy in EI
[13:28] <ebel> yep, that's the music labels/companies for you
[13:29] <slashtom> this is why piracy wins
[13:29] <slashtom> you get a better product
[13:31] <ebel> I think canonical (?) or 3digital (the music company) would have to do deals in all these countries with all these music companies in order to sell in ireland
[13:31] <ebel> so they only do the big ones at first.
[13:31] <ebel> piracy FTW
[14:25] <ShaneM> slashtom: Piracy wins because people refuse to give customers what they want and instead tell them what they want.
[14:25] <ShaneM> IMO anyway
[14:32] <ebel> Pirated content is better from a customer point of view.
[14:33] <ebel> How common now is it for films to come out much later in europe?
[14:37] <ShaneM> ebel: No idea, I stopped buying movies ages ago.
[14:37] <ShaneM> I haven't watched anything in like a year :P
[14:39] <ebel> Avatar was released at almost the same weekend everywhere (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/releaseinfo) whereas there was about a month difference in when Titanic was released (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/releaseinfo)
[14:40] <ebel> The Lion King (1994) was released in IE ~3 months after US (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110357/releaseinfo)
[14:40] <ShaneM> Haha
[14:40] <ShaneM> Well be happy you don't live in central Europe
[14:41] <ShaneM> Even later I would assume since it needs to be translate
[14:41] <ShaneM> d
[14:42] <ebel> The reason we get films in Ireland the same time as USA is because of film piracy.
[14:42] <ebel> It's great!
[14:42] <czajkowski> :S
[14:49] <czajkowski> http://imgur.com/ZyeCO  *grin*
[14:52] <ShaneM> Haha "This is flower pot"
[15:11] <Belserusk> In Ubuntu 'Users and Groups' why would someone need to add themselves as a member of their own group?
[15:13] <czajkowski> Belserusk: what do you mean
[15:14] <czajkowski> where are you seeing this
[15:14] <ebel> Moslty unneeded
[15:14] <ebel> You know about unix users  & groups and the file permissions?
[15:14] <czajkowski> Belserusk: ahh on the machine
[15:14] <ebel> You might have a user 'ebel', and a group 'ebel'.
[15:15] <ebel> And technically the user ebel is in the group of ebel
[15:15] <ebel> However if it was a shared machine, you might have a group for "students" or "staff"
[15:15] <ebel> so 'ebel' would be in the 'staff' group or something.
[15:17] <czajkowski> nods
[15:18] <Belserusk> ebel, since the user ebel has user privalges - I don't see the need for him to be a member of group ebel. Although I do see how he could be a member or 'staff' or 'students'
[15:18] <ebel> if you remove the user from the group things will mostly just work
[15:19] <ebel> But you have to have a 'primary group' which under modern linux tradition is that this is the same as your username
[15:19] <ebel> And you are a member of that group,.
[15:19] <slashtom> all files and directories are assigned to a user and a group - so your own personal files must belong to your user and *your* group
[15:23] <Belserusk> slashtom, But I have this virtualbox ubuntu setup. It has a user named'ubuntu' and in this image that user is not part of group 'ubuntu' http://imgur.com/XCnMG
[15:29] <Belserusk> slashtom, well?
[15:30] <Belserusk> ebel, could you shed light on this/
[15:30] <Belserusk> ?
[15:30] <ebel> Belserusk: what does "id" on the command line say
[15:31] <Belserusk> ebel, $ id
[15:31] <Belserusk> uid=1000(ubuntu) gid=1000(ubuntu) groups=1000(ubuntu),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),111(lpadmin),119(admin),122(sambashare)
[15:31] <ebel> There you go, you're in the group ubuntu and ubuntu is your primary group
[15:32] <ebel> it says gid=XXX for the primary group
[15:32] <ebel> groups=XXXX are the other groups
[15:33]  * daxroc pemissions are fun
[15:33] <daxroc> *permissions :D
[15:36] <Belserusk> ebel, is the group 'ubuntu' in the image = uid=1000(ubuntu)?
[15:36] <daxroc> Anyone have problems with java vm lately ?
[15:36] <ebel> Belserusk: yes
[15:36] <ebel> groups have a name 'ubuntu' and a number '1000'
[15:37] <czajkowski> Belserusk: I think the confusion is you've have them the same name
[15:37] <czajkowski> which isn't helping you
[15:37] <czajkowski> Group Ubuntu users: Ubuntu users would be more clearer
[15:37] <daxroc> more /etc/group
[15:37] <Belserusk> czajkowski, I agree.
[15:37] <Belserusk> ebel, uid vs gid? What do they stand for?
[15:37] <daxroc> user id , group id
[15:38] <ebel> user id and group id resp.
[15:38] <Belserusk> resp. ?
[15:39] <Belserusk> sorry, i misread
[15:39] <Belserusk> Thank you ebel
[15:39] <ebel> respectively :)
[15:39] <Belserusk> ^_^
[15:39] <ebel> when you go to that page your system will list all the groups on that system, and then give that as a list
[15:39] <ebel> that's why you see the 'ubuntu' group there
[15:43] <Belserusk> ebel, You explain this very well.
[15:45] <czajkowski> ebel: makes a good teacher alright
[15:50] <Belserusk> czajkowski, do you use a standard username when you create a Linux VDI?
[15:50] <Belserusk> czajkowski, I will cease using the distro name as the username.
[15:56] <Belserusk> Later ebel. Bye.
[15:57] <ebel> :)
[19:16] <airurando> Good evening Ubuntu-ie
[19:16] <airurando> Anyone at UH Dublin yet?
[19:17] <airurando> I am running a tad late.
[19:17] <airurando> Should get there at about 19:45
[19:27] <tdr112> wont be in tonight i have to give a talk tomorrow on my fyp
[19:31] <airurando> tdr112: good luck with that.
[20:53] <lau1> missed my train should have gone for a POTD in Ubuntu hour :(
[21:17] <airurando> lau1 not to worry. Always next month.
[21:19] <lau1> missed the train by 10 15 secondes 1hour wait :s