[09:58] Morning all [10:00] Aloha [10:03] morning [10:04] how are we all doing ? [10:04] morning [10:14] * ebel has tea! [10:14] wonderous tea! [10:20] is ebel awake now? [10:20] slashtom: moreso [10:20] tea makes the day all good [10:29] i've just been told that i'm on the list for a new laptop [10:30] yay! [10:31] whoo [10:33] i already have 2 on my desk [10:33] soon i will be king of my cubicle! [11:37] God FG are rubbish at the web [11:37] did you play their platformer [11:39] that annoying game from hell [11:51] http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/ [11:54] * tdr112 thinks czajkowski copyed her email into a blog post [11:54] I did [12:00] tdr112: I have a lot of mails to get out these days [12:00] one needs to do a bit of making my life easier! [12:05] cztab notting wrong with that [13:17] tdr112: you free? [13:17] need someone to test something for me on Ubuntu [13:17] https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/2226574/0 [13:17] can someone log into Ubuntu one [13:17] and see if you can search for music and even buy a song? [13:21] czajkowski: not available to paddies [13:21] "This song is not available to buy from the Ubuntu One Music Store in your country. Sorry!" [13:22] (Although I haven't set up an ubuntu one account, i'm not logged in and i've never bought music from it, so it /miiight/ be different if you are logged in) [13:22] ebel: but you can get to one.Ubuntu.com [13:22] just your launchpad ac to sign in [13:24] czajkowski: no change after i login & signup to ubuntu one [13:25] hmmm [13:25] so logging a bug [13:25] I think it's intentional [13:25] ish [13:25] They had to licence it from the big music labels [13:26] ireland uk laws differ it seems [13:26] I think $ETHNIC_GROUP_1 gets music from all 4 big labels [13:26] $ETHNIC_GROUP_2 can get it from 2 labels. [13:26] Ireland falls under EU [13:26] so we get 2 of the 4 big labels [13:26] UK differs from UK [13:26] and $ETHNIC_GROUP_3 can get creative commons licence. [13:26] UK differs from EU [13:26] It's per country, not per EU alas. [13:27] ebel: eh no, [13:27] there seems to be a massive difference in what I can buy when in UK and what I can buy in EI [13:28] yep, that's the music labels/companies for you [13:29] this is why piracy wins [13:29] you get a better product [13:31] I think canonical (?) or 3digital (the music company) would have to do deals in all these countries with all these music companies in order to sell in ireland [13:31] so they only do the big ones at first. [13:31] piracy FTW [14:25] slashtom: Piracy wins because people refuse to give customers what they want and instead tell them what they want. [14:25] IMO anyway [14:32] Pirated content is better from a customer point of view. [14:33] How common now is it for films to come out much later in europe? [14:37] ebel: No idea, I stopped buying movies ages ago. [14:37] I haven't watched anything in like a year :P [14:39] Avatar was released at almost the same weekend everywhere (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/releaseinfo) whereas there was about a month difference in when Titanic was released (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/releaseinfo) [14:40] The Lion King (1994) was released in IE ~3 months after US (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110357/releaseinfo) [14:40] Haha [14:40] Well be happy you don't live in central Europe [14:41] Even later I would assume since it needs to be translate [14:41] d [14:42] The reason we get films in Ireland the same time as USA is because of film piracy. [14:42] It's great! [14:42] :S [14:49] http://imgur.com/ZyeCO *grin* [14:52] Haha "This is flower pot" [15:11] In Ubuntu 'Users and Groups' why would someone need to add themselves as a member of their own group? [15:13] Belserusk: what do you mean [15:14] where are you seeing this [15:14] Moslty unneeded [15:14] You know about unix users & groups and the file permissions? [15:14] Belserusk: ahh on the machine [15:14] You might have a user 'ebel', and a group 'ebel'. [15:15] And technically the user ebel is in the group of ebel [15:15] However if it was a shared machine, you might have a group for "students" or "staff" [15:15] so 'ebel' would be in the 'staff' group or something. [15:17] nods [15:18] ebel, since the user ebel has user privalges - I don't see the need for him to be a member of group ebel. Although I do see how he could be a member or 'staff' or 'students' [15:18] if you remove the user from the group things will mostly just work [15:19] But you have to have a 'primary group' which under modern linux tradition is that this is the same as your username [15:19] And you are a member of that group,. [15:19] all files and directories are assigned to a user and a group - so your own personal files must belong to your user and *your* group [15:23] slashtom, But I have this virtualbox ubuntu setup. It has a user named'ubuntu' and in this image that user is not part of group 'ubuntu' http://imgur.com/XCnMG [15:29] slashtom, well? [15:30] ebel, could you shed light on this/ [15:30] ? [15:30] Belserusk: what does "id" on the command line say [15:31] ebel, $ id [15:31] uid=1000(ubuntu) gid=1000(ubuntu) groups=1000(ubuntu),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),111(lpadmin),119(admin),122(sambashare) [15:31] There you go, you're in the group ubuntu and ubuntu is your primary group [15:32] it says gid=XXX for the primary group [15:32] groups=XXXX are the other groups [15:33] * daxroc pemissions are fun [15:33] *permissions :D [15:36] ebel, is the group 'ubuntu' in the image = uid=1000(ubuntu)? [15:36] Anyone have problems with java vm lately ? [15:36] Belserusk: yes [15:36] groups have a name 'ubuntu' and a number '1000' [15:37] Belserusk: I think the confusion is you've have them the same name [15:37] which isn't helping you [15:37] Group Ubuntu users: Ubuntu users would be more clearer [15:37] more /etc/group [15:37] czajkowski, I agree. [15:37] ebel, uid vs gid? What do they stand for? [15:37] user id , group id [15:38] user id and group id resp. [15:38] resp. ? [15:39] sorry, i misread [15:39] Thank you ebel [15:39] respectively :) [15:39] ^_^ [15:39] when you go to that page your system will list all the groups on that system, and then give that as a list [15:39] that's why you see the 'ubuntu' group there [15:43] ebel, You explain this very well. [15:45] ebel: makes a good teacher alright [15:50] czajkowski, do you use a standard username when you create a Linux VDI? [15:50] czajkowski, I will cease using the distro name as the username. [15:56] Later ebel. Bye. [15:57] :) [19:16] Good evening Ubuntu-ie [19:16] Anyone at UH Dublin yet? [19:17] I am running a tad late. [19:17] Should get there at about 19:45 [19:27] wont be in tonight i have to give a talk tomorrow on my fyp [19:31] tdr112: good luck with that. [20:53] missed my train should have gone for a POTD in Ubuntu hour :( [21:17] lau1 not to worry. Always next month. [21:19] missed the train by 10 15 secondes 1hour wait :s === VampiricPada is now known as VampiricPadraig === davem is now known as 5EXAB7VI6 === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === ShaneM_ is now known as ShaneM