[00:10] <stgraber> superm1: I guess it depends on how good package descriptions are. From what I saw for Edubuntu, we'll probably have to show the package name for now ...
[00:11] <stgraber> ideally if we could have the .desktop Name value for each package, I'd show that instead
[00:48] <superm1> stgraber, maybe query from the database that's used in software center for short names
[00:48] <superm1> not sure how easy that is to do though
[01:57] <JanC> stgraber: isn't changing the description an option?
[01:58] <JanC> (I suppose the list of packages for Edubuntu is "limited")
[02:01] <stgraber> JanC: well, a good part of them come from Debian and we usually try to reduce our delta rather than increasing it :) But we'll probably end up suggesting new descriptions for some of them
[02:02] <JanC> of course these should go back to Debian  ☺
[02:07] <JanC> is also what I was thinking about when I said "limited"; going over 50 or 100 descriptions and provide suggestions to upstream is more feasible than going over 30000 description and do the same   ;)
[13:21] <scott-work> hello...i reported bug 720476 and have attached /var/log/installer/syslog as requested by cjwatson
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 720476 in tasksel "Ubuntu Studio Natty fails to install software when ubuntustudio-video is chosen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720476
[13:21] <scott-work> i believe this to be a RC bug as it causes the installation process to fail if a particular tasksel is choosen
[13:22] <scott-work> any help would be greatly appreciated
[13:23] <cjwatson> looking
[13:27] <CIA-3> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2336 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[13:27] <CIA-3> cdebconf: Appease compiler warnings in align_text_renderer_render. (In practice
[13:27] <CIA-3> cdebconf: x_offset and y_offset are never uninitialised here, but knowing that
[13:30] <CIA-3> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2337 ubuntu/debian/control: set Maintainer and Vcs-Bzr for Ubuntu
[13:36] <CIA-3> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2338 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.154ubuntu1
[13:49] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1414 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~apw/debian-installer/kernel-update
[13:56] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1415 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu17
[14:09] <scott-work> cjwatson: thank you for looking into it, next time i know more what to look for
[14:11] <cjwatson> I think it should be possible to work around it in the seeds
[14:11] <cjwatson> I'm doing test germinate runs to find out
[14:13] <cjwatson> scott-work: so, I mean, the fundamental problem is that you're installing a bunch of packages some of which depend on libavcodec52 | libavcodec-extra-52 (etc.) and some of which just depend on libavcodec-extra-52
[14:13] <cjwatson> and those two alternatives conflict
[14:14] <cjwatson> germinate only has limited understanding of all this, and in some cases (particularly if you pick any task based on audio-common), it will end up trying to include both
[14:14] <cjwatson> would you be OK with ubuntustudio just always preferring libav*-extra-*, even though those packages are in multiverse?
[14:19] <scott-work> cjwatson: hmmm, i think so but i'd not expansively knowledgable, i think i would like persia 's opinion as well if he is available
[14:20] <scott-work> from a user's standpoint i think the -extra- packages would be preferable
[14:25] <cjwatson> your choice is either that, or avoiding anything that depends only on -extra-
[14:25] <cjwatson> which would at least involve dropping dvdstyler
[14:31] <cjwatson> scott-work: if you want to use the -extra- variants, then merge lp:~cjwatson/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty-ffmpeg
[14:31] <cjwatson> you have a merge proposal for it
[15:08] <scott-work> cjwatson: i wanted to talk to TheMuso about dropping dvdstyler anyways for various reasons...let me persue this with luke first
[15:09] <cjwatson> ok
[15:09] <cjwatson> I don't know if it's the only thing at fault
[16:52] <ev> cjwatson: what are your thoughts on adding a failure command preseed to main-menu, given bug 72314 ? marjo is asking if there is any way they could catch that with a test harness.
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 72314 in firefox "Unexpected crash" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72314
[16:53] <cjwatson> you mean bug 723148?
[16:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 723148 in debian-installer "Natty server ISO images fail to install" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723148
[16:53] <cjwatson> it's not worth it, I already knew about that by other methods
[16:53] <cjwatson> for example it showed up on the archive NBS list
[16:53] <cjwatson> IOW we already have automatic systems that detect that
[16:53] <ev> indeed, that's what I meant
[16:53] <ev> fair enough
[16:54] <cjwatson> marjo usually contacts me about these things some hours after I've started fixing them ;-)
[16:54] <cjwatson> that particular class of problem anyway (out-of-date kernel)
[16:54] <cjwatson> also, given that particular class of problem, CDs likely won't be able to load network modules
[16:54] <cjwatson> so a failure hook wouldn't really be able to communicate usefully
[16:55] <ev> well, I believe they wanted it so that they could block further tests in their hudson instance, but he's since backed down
[16:55] <ev> hudson> http://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/ (as mentioned in the bug)
[17:06] <superm1> ev, that hang that was mentioned the other day while scanning disks i traced back to the reuse partition stuff you added to partman-auto, want me ot assign it to you?
[17:07] <ev> please do
[17:07] <superm1> k, bug 722198
[17:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 722198 in partman-auto "installation hangs on 15reuse w/ blank disk" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722198
[17:08] <ev> thanks
[18:12] <om26er> Hi! I have been trying ISOs for last ~2days and the partitioner does not start, just busy cursor
[18:14] <cjwatson> ISOs have been broken for the last couple of days
[18:14] <cjwatson> should be sorted out soon
[18:47] <superm1> om26er, it's bug 722198 if you want to subscribe to it
[18:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 722198 in partman-auto "installation hangs on 15reuse w/ blank disk" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722198
[18:48] <cjwatson> oh, that's different from what I was thinking of, but OK
[18:48] <om26er> superm1, downgrading uniquity brought me to the paritioner but then the installer crashed during the install :/