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smoserkees, yeah, that string doesn' tmean anything to me.01:46
smoseralthough i woudl suspect 'rs' == 'rightscale'01:46
smoserkees, i appear wrong rs != rightscale, but rackspace02:05
smoserhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/473711 indicates that02:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 473711 in aptitude "aptitude crashes when trying to free an invalid pointer" [Undecided,New]02:05
keessmoser: ah-ha. thanks!02:09
smoserand I know that they have forked our -xen kernel02:09
smoseror at least have maintained a xen ubuntu-like kernel02:10
brycehRAOF, hmm, well 02:14
brycehRAOF, hmm, seems 5e7833 is already in the natty kernel tree02:15
RAOFSince when?02:16
keesRAOF: Ubuntu-2.6.38-1.2702:17
kees$ git tag --contains 5e78330126e23e009502b21d1efdabd68ab91397 | head -n102:18
keesUbuntu-2.6.38-1.2702:18
RAOFThanks.  (I haven't yet got my natty ubuntu branch set up)02:18
brycehheh, there is also a b5e7833, which is completely unrelated02:19
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* apw yawns09:08
smbapw, o/09:08
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apwdiwic, about ?10:26
diwicapw, pong10:26
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apwdiwic_afk, heh ... damn10:36
apwdiwic_afk, i wanted to ask you about your sound bugs ... and getting them closed on upload10:36
diwic_afkapw, well, I saw two of them closed today11:00
diwic_afkSo it seems to have been working fine11:00
apwdiwic_afk, well no, as its not closing any which are alsa-driver11:00
apwhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/+bug/67269911:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 672699 in ubuntu-cdimage "screen-reader does not work " [Undecided,Fix released]11:00
apwargle11:00
apwhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/71840211:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 718402 in alsa-driver "[Realtek ALC892] Recording problem" [Undecided,Fix committed]11:01
apwthat one was in the changelog, but not againt linux, so it wasn't closed11:01
apwi wonder if they should be being moved to linux when they are deemed to need a kernle patc11:01
apwpatch11:01
diwic_afkapw, hmm, maybe you're right11:03
diwic_afkapw, it wouldn't be too hard for me to move them to Linux when I send the patch11:03
apwdiwic_afk, depends if you rely on them being in alsa-driver for tracking, as you can 'also affect' linux and at least you get the upload information splatted in, but otherwise probabally shift it to linux11:05
diwic_afkapw, ok, that makes sense11:06
apwdiwic_afk, i can however assume if something is only on alsa-driver, and i have a buglink in the upload for it that i can just close it out fix released 11:07
apwfor the current situation?11:07
diwic_afkapw, the general case is that the bug should be closed even if it is against alsa-driver.11:08
apwyeah, there is no way to 'automate' via the nomal process, but we might be able to launchpad lib it.  for now i can just spin the list, it is short11:09
diwic_afkapw, because the general case is that bugs against alsa-driver should really be against linux ;-) 11:10
apwi assume alsa-driver exists just to say "sound issue" and then moves to linux or pulse or whatever is really the issue once someone in the know knows11:10
diwic_afkapw, it exists because there is no way to subscribe the "ubuntu-audio" team via apport 11:11
diwic_afkbut yeah, it's handy and it works for us11:11
apwdiwic_afk, oh so actually if we had an arsenal script which literally just subscribed ubuntu-audio and moved them alsa-driver -> linux ... as soon as it saw them, would that do what you want11:13
apwdiwic_afk, ok closed off the two whcih wern't closed11:16
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PhoenixSTFhello12:53
PhoenixSTFI got and issue with VT6421a controler that fails errors a lot with WD and samsung HDD, i have the 2.6.35-25 kernel and it is still bugging12:54
smbPhoenixSTF, I vaguely remember some patches for that sort of combination, though they were very specific to the ids. It might be yours just is not included.12:56
PhoenixSTFsmb, can i help in some way to get it fixed?12:57
smbPhoenixSTF, possibly. But give me a sec to find the changes again12:58
PhoenixSTFsmb, thanks m8 :)12:59
PhoenixSTFsmb, i got the chip in front of me so i can take a picture or ref the serial number or manufacteur code of it, if it helps13:00
smbPhoenixSTF, nah, the os is more interested in internal things. I believe lspci should show it13:01
PhoenixSTFsmb, ok tell me what to do13:02
smbYep. So I found the last time they touched that. (sata_via: apply magic FIFO fix to vt6420 too)13:03
smbbut it checks for board id, so i need to check the code how that is looked up13:04
smbPhoenixSTF, But you could look up what numbers (for vendor/model and subvendor/model) lspci will give you for the sata controller13:06
PhoenixSTFsmb, ok ill try and give you that, its a pci sata controler ok13:07
PhoenixSTFok i got 2 of them, on is working fine, the other one has got all the issues13:07
PhoenixSTF00:0c.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50)13:07
PhoenixSTF00:0d.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50)13:08
smbWould both have WD disks connected? Actually you will need to use lspci -vvvnn to get the numbers in hex as well13:09
PhoenixSTFyes13:10
PhoenixSTFi swaped drives between boath controlers13:10
PhoenixSTFi have 2 wd, 1 samsung and 1 seagate, the only one it doesnt complain about is the seagate13:11
PhoenixSTFso i have now a samsung drive on it and gives me the bug of ICR something error13:12
PhoenixSTFsmb, the output is a bit big can i paste here?13:12
smbHm, that could then be a different problem than the one they got fixxed. You could pastebin it and send the link here13:12
PhoenixSTFok13:13
PhoenixSTFhttp://pastebin.com/Z0qsP4cZ13:13
PhoenixSTFoh the controler that is buging, works a bit better alone (I mean less errors), without the other controler on, 13:15
smbOk, so this one gets mapped to a board id of vt6421 and  for that the quirk gets enabled. Actually for that one even before the latest change13:15
PhoenixSTF?13:16
PhoenixSTFwell its a VT6421A not a VT642113:16
smbMeans whatever that fixed, you already have it13:16
PhoenixSTFdoes it matter?13:16
smbnot in the driver code13:16
PhoenixSTFwell if I have the fix why the issue?13:17
smbthat just looks at the 0x3249 from the model number13:17
smbJust saying it is not that issue that got fixed13:17
smbYou probably have a different13:17
PhoenixSTFok13:17
PhoenixSTFi got the same board extra do you whant me to mail it you? lol xD13:18
smbWhen you say one controller alone works better it sounds a bit like there is some interaction. Heh, got enough not completely working kit. :-P13:18
smbI suspect it would be good to try a recent mainline kernel (to see whether this still shows the same issues)13:19
PhoenixSTFthat is the thing the 1st controler, doesnt give any kind of trouble at all13:19
smband if that is the case, it would be best to open an upstream bugzilla13:19
PhoenixSTFi had 3 controlers on it, and it was rock solid13:19
PhoenixSTFthe other 2 with are the same, gives me the creeps with WD13:19
smbSo it could also be a real hw fail13:20
smbMaybe not if two show the same problem13:20
PhoenixSTFthat is it i tried the HD with my 1st controler, and everything is fine, i take it out of the server out it on my desktop and its fine... connect it to the 2nd controler in the server and ICR blabla bla13:21
PhoenixSTFi got a seagate on the 2nd controler, ok no problem. Samsung, ICR blablabla13:22
PhoenixSTFits the issue with WD and Samsung... i dont know if it is something to do with the controler manufacteur13:23
smbFrom what I read in that part of the code it has to do with how much data a drive sends  before handshaking13:24
smbapparently some wd drives do 40 double words while other only do half13:24
PhoenixSTFwhant me to send my HDD info?13:26
apwsmb, isn't it a bit odd that both those controllers are ide13:27
smbMust admit that I am reaching my limit of usefulness. This goes into detail levels beyond me. 13:27
apwidenticle from the lspci output, yet one works and the other not13:27
smbapw, yes, though both bound to via_sata driver13:28
apwPhoenixSTF, these are both discrete sata cards yes ?13:28
PhoenixSTFthanks anyway smb, sorry for the trouble, if you find anything or anyone that can give some help i would apriciate13:29
PhoenixSTFdiscrete?13:29
PhoenixSTFwhat do you mean?13:29
apwas in physical cards plugged into a slot13:29
PhoenixSTFyes13:29
PhoenixSTFpci13:29
PhoenixSTFboath13:29
smbPhoenixSTF, Well the best advice is to do a test with a very recent kernel and then an bugzilla report13:29
apwone card working and one not implies one of two things, either one card is broken, or the support for multiple cards sucks13:30
PhoenixSTFi got the ubuntu server 10.1013:30
apwone thing you might try is swapping the cards, so the other one is the 'first' one13:30
smb        * https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1517313:30
smb         * http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ide/4635213:30
smb         * http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/106213913:30
PhoenixSTFyes well anole it works better but still outputs errors with wd13:30
ubot2bugzilla.kernel.org bug 15173 in Serial ATA "sata_via VT6421 softRAID" [Normal,Resolved: code_fix]13:30
PhoenixSTFthe only problem is with the WD and Samsung HDD13:30
apwif its card related it should move to the other one, and if its s/w t should stay with the slot13:30
smbPhoenixSTF, Those are links to the previous bug reports and some mial threads13:30
PhoenixSTFsmb, done that!13:31
PhoenixSTFapw i moved the card to every combination possible in 6 pci slots 13:31
PhoenixSTF1st, last, second, one after another, one before the other etc13:32
apwso order doen't matter then whether its detected first or second13:32
PhoenixSTFno13:32
PhoenixSTFor alone13:32
PhoenixSTFeven alone gives trouble with the wd hdd13:32
PhoenixSTFI got a 1TB seagate, no problem at all13:32
smbapw, From the the gmane article it sound like you can get hosed depedning on number of drives and how much they send after the host indicates a hold13:33
PhoenixSTFthe 500 Gb wd caviar.... well handshake problem and blablabla13:33
PhoenixSTFa lot of handshake problems but only on that controler....13:34
apwbut he has two controllers and its ok on one of them if i am reading right; yet they are the same contollers13:35
apwthat bit makes less sense to me13:35
PhoenixSTFapw, I know thats what is bugging me!13:36
apwyet if i understand you, and we switch the two identlce cards round the issue follows the bad card (ie swap the two slots they are in)13:36
PhoenixSTFapw, yes but only with the Western digital and Samsung HDD13:37
apwso there has to be something different with that actual card than the other one13:37
PhoenixSTFthey are diferent in design13:37
apweven if only triggered by the specific HDDs13:37
smbapw, So that may be some physical defect that gets triggered by certain drive characteristics...13:38
smbeh you said that13:38
smbalready. :)13:38
apwsmb, yeah a defect on both, neither fatal on its own, only in combination13:38
PhoenixSTFapw let me correct that, alone gives some issues 213:38
PhoenixSTFless but it gives13:38
* smb is thinking... was that pci or pcie13:39
PhoenixSTFPCI13:39
apwbut the nasty thing for us, is the kernel thinks the two cards are the same cards13:39
PhoenixSTF?13:39
smbIt are the same I thought13:39
apw<PhoenixSTF> they are diferent in design13:39
PhoenixSTFirq are diferent13:39
PhoenixSTFone is 16 other 1713:39
apwno the two cards are not the same13:40
PhoenixSTFno they arent13:40
PhoenixSTFthe chip is13:40
apwyet they are i'd the same13:40
PhoenixSTFmanufacteur isnt13:40
PhoenixSTFone has a esata port, the OK one13:40
PhoenixSTFthe other doesnt13:40
PhoenixSTFone is green13:40
PhoenixSTFother is red13:40
apwyet the PCI information including the manufacturer _is_ the same on the two cards13:41
apwfrom your pci output13:41
PhoenixSTFdo you guys what a picture from boath cards?13:41
smbvery confusing13:41
apwPhoenixSTF, no i beleive you when you say they are different13:41
smbRight13:41
apwi am not actually interested in that they are different, i am interested in the13:42
smbJust they seem to report as exactly the same13:42
PhoenixSTFi know you believe, just well something might stand out you might notice ....13:42
apwfact they _say_ they are not different13:42
apwwhich either means they genuinely report they are not different13:42
apwor there is some other bug which gets the identity wrong13:42
apwbut as i understand PCI ids they are fundamental things the cards return when interrogated13:42
apw        Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249]13:42
apw        Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249]13:43
PhoenixSTFok let me get this easier on you I got one extra card, i can mail it to any one of you13:43
apwwho makes the two officialy ?13:43
PhoenixSTFapw the chip is the same on boath13:43
apwPhoenixSTF, without the exact HDD drives which trigger the issue, this is not going to necessarily tell us anything (having the card)13:43
PhoenixSTFthats os the only thing that is the same13:43
apwright so the first id's should match and the second id's the ones i have pasted should not13:44
mjg59One possibility is that they're different revisions and that that information is available somewhere in a chip-specific register13:44
PhoenixSTFi can mail the HDD 2, has long has you return it!13:44
PhoenixSTF xd13:44
PhoenixSTFxD13:44
mjg59apw: There's no real reason why subsystem IDs should vary13:44
PhoenixSTFi am going to poweroff my server and take out the OK board!13:45
apwmjg59, lets look at it a different way, is it reasonable for two completely different sata cards to have the same primary pci ids ?13:46
apwit doesn't seem so to me13:46
apw00:0c.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249] (rev 50)13:46
apw00:0d.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249] (rev 50)13:46
tgardnerapw, clone makers do it all the time.13:46
mjg59apw: Sure13:46
mjg59apw: It's the common case for generic parts13:47
apwthey are allowed to do that?  oh dear13:47
apwi'd have expected the subsystem id to vary on clones13:47
smbapw, I guess what you get is the identity of the chipset used not necessarily the brand and type of card13:47
apwso any card specific bugs ... and you are dead13:47
PhoenixSTFso no way to fix it?13:48
mjg59apw: Well, it's difficult to see how you can produce a card-specific bug13:48
apwbad wiring anything really13:48
mjg59If there's a problem at the physical layer then it doesn't matter - the card's just broken13:49
mjg59Not going to fix that in software13:49
apwno indeed.  i was thinking where there are some modes which work and others not13:50
mjg59Any vendor who's sufficiently uninterested in product differentiation isn't going to have changed thedrivers13:50
mjg59So if it works under Windows with the vendor drivers then there's something we're doing wrong13:50
PhoenixSTFok let but why with WD cards? and why in linux?13:50
mjg59The most likely explanation is that there's some bit in the card firmware that influences the behaviour13:50
apwPhoenixSTF, does this card work with the 'bad' drives in windows13:51
PhoenixSTFnot tested it...13:52
PhoenixSTFnot windows fan....13:52
apw(who is :)13:52
mjg59So it may just be a bad card13:52
PhoenixSTFcorrect13:52
mjg59Timing tolerances may vary between driver manufacturers13:52
smbmjg59, The explanation for the older fix for wd was that those could send more after being told to wait and the change doubled the watermark of the fifo buffer. Asuming the windows drivers may have used the bigger value. O13:53
PhoenixSTFmjg59, sorry but the issue is with specific HDD, Seagate no problems at all, WD and samsung... well thats anoter thing13:53
PhoenixSTFi got transmithion problems with the samsung and the card is now alone13:53
PhoenixSTFexception Emaks13:54
PhoenixSTFand Bad CRC13:54
PhoenixSTFhas i said before, I have a extra card, COmplements of Amazon, and i can give it to charity, so i dont mind giving to a developer to check it out13:55
smbTo be honest, as apw said, its not only having the card. It could be interaction with specific drives or even the board 13:59
PhoenixSTFdont mind sending the hdd along with it13:59
PhoenixSTFi am Pro Ubuntu13:59
PhoenixSTFwhen i mean pro is suportive13:59
PhoenixSTFi dont mind lending or giving stuff to get something done...14:00
PhoenixSTFhas long has everybody benifits from it14:00
apwwe're probabaly not the best people to send such a thing to, probabally the driver maintainer would be better placed to make sure of it to fix the issue14:01
PhoenixSTFor if you whant i can give access to my server with boath drives in it14:01
PhoenixSTFapw, well i just want to help on getting it fixed, a lot of people are complaining on the same thing...14:02
PhoenixSTFso who do i talk 2????14:03
PhoenixSTFxD14:04
apwhmmm, normaly i file bugs in upstream bugzilla and sub the maintainer in MAINTAINERS14:04
PhoenixSTFoh and guys apw, smb, and mjg59, sorry for any trouble i might have caused and thanks for your support :)14:05
apwno trouble14:05
PhoenixSTFok apw tell me how Yoda14:05
smbJeff Garzik would be sata maintainer, but in pathces there is also a JosephChang from via direct...14:05
PhoenixSTFyes i see14:05
PhoenixSTFso i register in it14:05
PhoenixSTFwhat do i do?14:06
* apw is unsure what you are asking14:07
* smb probably would try writing to JosephChang. He cannot do worse than not respond14:07
PhoenixSTFLOL14:08
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sforsheeI'm looking more advice on the toshiba resume problem I asked about last week (hanging for 5 minutes in the ACPI _WAK method)14:48
sforsheeMessing with the triggering of the timer interrupt didn't change anything, I think what the bios is reporting is correct based on what I saw14:49
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sforsheeAlthough I think there is some sort of problem related to the hpet, I'm not sure what it is or if it has anything to do with the hang during resume14:49
sforsheeI've pasted some excerpts from the disassembled AML and a trace of the _WAK method execution14:49
sforsheehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571148/14:49
sforsheehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571149/14:49
sforsheeOf interest is the point in the trace where the timestamp jumps 5 minutes into the future14:50
sforsheeThis corresponds to the TRAP method in the AML source, right after it writes a value to some IO space14:50
sforsheeI assume this represents making some sort of call into the BIOS?14:50
sforsheeAny ideas on how to debug this?14:51
mjg59Yes, it means it's going into the BIOS14:57
mjg59It also means that there's no practical way to debug what it's doing14:57
sforsheeWhatever it's doing, it seems to be stuck in there until there's an interrupt from the hpet14:58
sforsheeBecause if the hpet is in periodic mode when this happens, it resumes quickly14:59
mjg59It's entirely possible that the system management code waits for an interrupt but doesn't actually set one up15:02
mjg59Maybe we should just put the HPET in periodic mode over suspend/resume15:02
sforsheeThe hpet is being used as the broadcast tick device, so would that be something the tick code would do?15:05
sforsheeThe hpet resume as already run by the time this is happening15:05
sforshees/as/has/15:06
mjg59It would need some special casing15:06
sforsheeokay, I'll poke around at the code a bit and see if I can come up with a sane way of doing that15:07
sforsheethanks mjg59 !15:07
ckingI wonder if Windows puts the HPET into periodic mode over S315:18
mjg59cking: Windows doesn't do tickless15:20
ckingaha15:20
mjg59I think they go to a minimum of 60Hz15:20
ckinghence we catch these corner cases and windoze doesn't15:20
* apw_ scoffs a dog15:49
apw_heh ... doughnut15:49
smbWho let the dog out? :)15:49
apw_cat is away ..15:50
tgardnerapw: weren't you and JFo working on how to _not_ spam certain classes of bugs? tracking bugs for example.15:58
apw_yeah some are excluded ... what got hit? 15:59
tgardnerapw: bug #71883916:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 718839 in linux "QA Regression test kernel-security reports two failures on 2.6.24-28.84 Xen" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71883916:00
apw_will look ... likely missing a tag16:01
tgardnerapw: so, something bjf's create-* tools should add ?16:01
apw_waiting for it to load to check, but they have tags so likely we are avoiding them16:02
apw_not16:02
bjftgardner, current versions of create-* tools addd "kernel-release-tracking-bug" and "kernel-cve-tracking-bug" tags16:05
bjfapw, ^16:05
tgardnerbjf, which this tracking bug did not have.16:05
tgardnerguess that explains it16:05
bjftgardner, bug # ?16:06
tgardnerbjf: bug #71883916:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 718839 in linux "QA Regression test kernel-security reports two failures on 2.6.24-28.84 Xen" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71883916:06
bjftgardner, for a while i was using "kernel-tracking-bug"16:06
bjftgardner, that is not a bug that we created16:07
tgardnerbjf, ah, I see.16:07
tgardnerthen they deserve to get spammed :)16:07
bjfwell, i wouldn't say that but :-)16:08
apwspam them spam them16:09
smbtgardner, I seems the v2.6.32.29.13 is there. That it went from v2.6.32.28.13 would just mean there is no drm33 update16:14
smbOr did I misunderstand the question alltogether?16:14
tgardnersmb,  there doesn't seem to be a v2.6.32.28.* tag16:15
tgardnerso, you skipped .28 ?16:15
smbtgardner, Are you looking on kernel.org or kernel.ubuntu.com?16:15
tgardnersmb, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/smb/linux-2.6.32.y-drm33.z.git16:16
smbtgardner, That would be my testing ground and proe to forgetting tags16:16
tgardnerah, how inconvenient.16:16
tgardnersmb, what is the kernel.org path ?16:17
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smbtgardner, I (hope) to have it in the announce. git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/smb/linux-2.6.32.y-drm33.z.git16:18
smbtgardner, But I just pushed the last tag to kernel.ubuntu.com16:19
tgardnersmb, OK, I changed path to kernel.org16:19
smbYes, that is better as its the official thing16:20
bjfsmb, your email had:  git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/smb/linux-2.6.32.y-drm33.z.git16:28
smbbjf, Good, so that should be correct16:28
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apwhttp://people.canonical.com/~apw/cve/pkg/linux.html20:11
bjfJFo, can you accept nominations on: bug #723945 ?21:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 723945 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE-2010-4258" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72394521:07
* jjohansen -> lunch21:13
JFobjf, I can21:17
JFobjf, I'm getting timeout errors21:19
bjfheh, figures21:19
JFobut I'll work on it until I'm done21:19
bjfthanks21:19
JFonp21:21
JFothis timeout is making me crazy. I haven't been able to accept the first nomination yet :-/21:32
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apwbjf, did you get your noms done?22:17
bjfapw, nope, but it's not holding me up22:18
apwbug # ?22:18
bjfbug #72394522:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 723945 in linux-ti-omap4 "lockdep warning in KSM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72394522:18
bjfok, that's just odd22:18
apwbjf, hrm, timeouts for me on them all22:20
JFoapw, I gave wgrant the oops number in #launchpad22:21
JFoI'm hopeful that there is something going on behind the scenes to address it22:21
apwJFo, ack, launchpad is a mess22:21
JFoyup :-/22:21
JFobjf, any reason that guy changed the title of the bug?22:22
JFoor was that expected22:22
bjfJFo, not that i'm aware of, was just discussing with tgardner22:23
JFoah22:23
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JFobjf, I am still checking your bug periodically, still no joy yet23:19
bjfJFo, heh, thanks, maybe just ignore it til tomorrow23:19
JFoI'l hold off and try again before I drop off tonight. Just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you :)23:20
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jjohansensconklin, bjf: that hardy xen kernel from the ubuntu-on-ec2 ppa is special23:33
jjohansenit builds by pulling in linux-source as a dependency and then copies the kernel source in and uses the debian dir and patches in the directory23:33
jjohansenits a mess, and it is going away.23:33
jjohansenbut I am not sure how soon, there is still testing etc of the new image builds to be done23:34
jjohansenthe new image build == to how the packages are pulled in and rolled into the ami image to be published for use on ec223:35
sconklinjjohansen: ok, thanks, I'm just not clear on what kernels we deliver for ec2 and/or xen and where they are built, etc23:35
jjohansensconklin: apparently neither am I :)  I had thought we were pulling in a the hardy -xen kernel for the images, but what really was being pulled in was a custom ppa based on that.23:36
* jjohansen smb and smoser (mostly smoser) are working on changing that23:37
jjohansenfor the other kernels, there are the karmic and lucid ec2 topic branches, and maverick and natty -virtual flavors23:38
jjohansenso just to be clear hardy will be moving to the the hardy -xen kernel but its not there yet23:39
jjohansensconklin: we also provided an intrepid ec2 kernel from the same ppa as the hardy kernel, but intrepid is no longer supported so you can forget it.  And we never supplied a proper jaunty kernel23:40
sconklinok, thanks.23:40
=== popey_ is now known as popey
JFostepping away to grab some dinner bbiab23:51
=== sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone

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