[00:43] <cjohnston> mhall119: ping
[01:14] <cjohnston> How do we fix the problem of 'team meeting' and march irc meeting, and irc meeting.... it looks odd to me to have to look to the right to see who's meeting it is.. What do you think about { team.name } - { meeting.name } ?
[01:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: where?
[01:19] <cjohnston> the meeting tab
[01:19] <cjohnston> it looks fine on a team page
[01:19] <mhall119> we can move the teams column to either the #1 or #2 position
[01:19] <cjohnston> but on the general list it looks bad imo
[01:19] <mhall119> instead of last
[01:19] <cjohnston> which would you prefer and ill make the bug
[01:19] <cjohnston> and do we want to move it on the event page for consistancy?
[01:19] <mhall119> I think #2
[01:20] <cjohnston> ok
[01:20] <mhall119> and yeah, do the same on events
[01:21] <cjohnston> okie
[01:22] <cjohnston> ive added a few new merge requests
[01:22] <cjohnston> mhall119:  has bug 707553 been put into production i believe?
[01:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707553 in loco-directory "Error on the meetings ical feed (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707553
[01:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: I think so, but the dpaste has expired, so I'm not even sure what the original bug was
[01:25] <cjohnston> its showing fix committed and the last touch was 1/25 so im gussing its something you pushed straight to production
[01:25] <mhall119> hmmm, yeah, looks that way
[06:04] <czajkowski> aloha 
[06:41] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:53] <YoBoY> another bug 723542 a bit anoying
[06:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723542 in loco-directory "can't edit my team detail page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723542
[07:07] <czajkowski> YoBoY: see now why I find teams owning a team annnoying ;) I can edit my team no problem 
[07:09] <YoBoY> i'm not the only team having that issue, and by the way "owning" a team is such an illusion :D
[07:10]  * YoBoY hugs czajkowski 
[07:10] <czajkowski> owning a team is an expression.
[07:10] <czajkowski> clearly doesnt translate well. 
[07:10] <czajkowski> :S
[07:15] <YoBoY> yes :)
[07:15] <YoBoY> that's another issue
[07:16] <YoBoY> it's like the "free" in free softwares
[07:17] <czajkowski> not really...
[07:18] <czajkowski> owning is ownership. How teams are owned really depends on the team. It worked okish on LP 
[07:18] <czajkowski> but I really find it annoying on the LD 
[07:18] <czajkowski> as when I go to contact a team I've to contact a team in order to do it, which defeats the purpose of a team contact 
[07:18] <YoBoY> hey to make your life easier, can we think of a new field in the team detail page, a required contact email ?
[07:18] <czajkowski> should be just the team contact YoBoY 
[07:19] <czajkowski> which is there! 
[07:19] <czajkowski> otherwise poeple are adding in team contact email 
[07:24] <YoBoY> don't remember adding the "team contact" email, just the "admins contact" witch is more suitable for all the type of questions
[08:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <popey> hi dholbach 
[08:58] <dholbach> hey popey
[09:09] <Tm_T> yay, Ubuntu Suomi, finnish LoCo, has now over 1000 "likes" on its facebook page
[09:51] <jasonjang> czajkowski ! Good morning?
[09:51] <czajkowski> jasonjang: aloha 
[09:51] <cjohnston> mornin
[09:52] <czajkowski> cjohnston: go to bed 
[09:55] <cjohnston> :-(
[09:56] <yizzlegizzie> hmm
[10:13] <yizzlegizzie> ubuntu rules!!!!!!
[10:40] <Ronnie> mhall119, cjohnston can you look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/723542
[10:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723542 in loco-directory "can't edit my team detail page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New]
[10:40] <Ronnie> i cant locally reproduce the bug with Ubuntu 10.10
[10:43] <czajkowski> Ronnie: hmm
[10:44] <Ronnie> czajkowski: yes, very strange
[10:45] <czajkowski> as I said I can edit my team 
[10:45] <czajkowski> and I wondered was a team issue 
[10:54] <Ronnie> this bug is introduced by the 'fix' of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/714718 . the old code is removed and the new seems not to work on the server
[10:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 714718 in loco-directory "lpupdate.py should check if the team_owner is a person (not a team) (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Fix released]
[11:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr still shows the team as the admin.. Did the sysadmins not run update or whatever to fix that? YoBoY is a team contact still though so he should have edit access from that.
[11:17] <cjohnston> czajkowski: could you do me a favor, I have to go to work, but if Ronnie comes back, could you please paste ^^ comment to him.
[11:17] <cjohnston> Off to work... o/
[11:17] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sure 
[11:22] <YoBoY> if huats was here, he should be able to test if the sub team owner can edit or not the detail page 
[11:25] <czajkowski> he's working YoBoY 
[11:25] <czajkowski> :)
[11:25] <YoBoY> me too :)
[11:30] <YoBoY> I pinged didrocks (admin in the owner sub team) to try to connect
[11:32] <czajkowski> YoBoY: it's not urgent we can just wait and see 
[11:32] <czajkowski> as finding it hard to replicate and there may have been a change. 
[11:33] <YoBoY> he can't too
[11:33] <YoBoY> you're right
[11:33] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail
[11:33] <czajkowski> lets work on that for the time being 
[11:33] <czajkowski> getting more teams signed up 
[11:34] <YoBoY> :)
[11:35] <czajkowski> this is something we can work on and is needed urgently 
[11:36] <YoBoY> 12h35... I can write an article to put on our french planet, do you have a picture to illustrate "global jam" ?
[11:39] <czajkowski> YoBoY: on the event page
[11:39] <czajkowski> some teams have tagged pics
[11:39] <czajkowski> no specific one 
[11:40] <YoBoY> ok
[12:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: lpupdate runs on a schedule, I'm not sure how often
[13:21] <YoBoY> global jam promoted on the french ubuntu planet (with 2 links to the LD ^^)
[13:22] <czajkowski> Ronnie: 11:16 < cjohnston> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr still shows the team as the admin.. Did the sysadmins not run update or whatever to fix that? YoBoY is a  team contact still though so he should have edit access from that.
[13:23] <Ronnie> thx for the update czajkowski
[13:24] <czajkowski> np 
[13:24] <Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119 ping
[13:25] <mhall119> Ronnie: pong
[13:25] <Ronnie> mhall119:  do you know when the prod server does run the lpupdate.py script
[13:26] <mhall119> not of the top of my head, no
[13:26] <mhall119> you can ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[13:26] <Ronnie> oke, the update.py schedules this: "run_job("lpupdate", datetime.timedelta(minutes=20))"
[13:28] <mhall119> so, every 20 minutes it would seem
[13:28] <mhall119> which means we have a problem doesn't it?
[13:29] <mhall119> dholbach: ^^^
[13:30] <Ronnie> ill ask sysadmin if the update.py is executed, but yes if so, we have a version compability problem
[13:30] <mhall119> Ronnie: ask them for the modified time on the files in ./loco_directory/data/
[13:30] <mhall119> that'll tell you the last time each was run
[13:31] <mhall119> output of ls -lha ./loco_directory/data would do
[13:31] <Ronnie> mhall119: do you mean lp_data
[13:32] <Ronnie> or does the prod use another dir?
[13:38] <mhall119> lp_data is what launchpadlib uses for cache
[13:38] <mhall119> 'data' is where the update script keeps it's timestamped files
[13:40] <Ronnie> i cant find any data directory in my local version
[13:41] <dholbach> mhall119, I don't know when the cronjob runs
[13:41] <dholbach> mhall119, best to ask the IS people
[13:46] <Ronnie> mhall119: i have to go back to the lab, could you scan for answers on #canonical-sysadmin
[14:17] <mhall119> Ronnie: sure
[17:23] <cjohnston> howdy
[17:24] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ping
[17:24] <Ronnie> cjohnston: pong
[17:24] <cjohnston> Ronnie: hows the redesign code coming?
[17:25] <Ronnie> currenty not started with the coding itself
[17:25] <Ronnie> im mostly busy designing the other pages
[17:26] <cjohnston> what other pages are you working on
[17:26] <Ronnie> meeting and events, but atm their no good
[17:27] <cjohnston> gotcha
[17:31] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the wiki also has a new theme since a few days, with almost the same top-bar
[17:32] <cjohnston> ya
[17:35] <Ronnie> cjohnston: do you have a 10.04 install?
[17:35] <cjohnston> nope
[17:37] <cjohnston> are the other teams still effected
[17:37]  * czajkowski kicks cjohnston 
[17:39] <cjohnston> why
[18:00] <mhall119> why not?
[18:05] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:07]  * Ronnie kicks both mhall119 and czajkowski
[18:07] <czajkowski> Ronnie: oi! 
[18:07] <czajkowski> >:(
[18:07] <cjohnston> yay!
[18:08] <Ronnie> apologize to cjohnston and you get an hug ;)
[18:08] <cjohnston> hehe
[18:08] <czajkowski> eh no Ronnie you miss how this works
[18:08] <czajkowski> I've met cjohnston 
[18:08] <czajkowski> trust me he'll deserve it 
[18:11] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:22] <mhall119> Ronnie: better watch yourself
[18:22] <Ronnie> i guess
[18:22] <mhall119> I'd put $20 on czajkowski in a fight with cjohnston 
[18:22] <cjohnston> ouch
[18:22] <Ronnie> ouch
[18:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: did you hear about the international text message Hope got?
[18:22] <mhall119> they don't call them the fightin Irish for nothing
[18:22] <mhall119> cjohnston: no
[18:23] <cjohnston> Hope got a text about a week ago saying "Please wallop your lesser half. Thanks"
[18:23] <mhall119> lol
[18:26] <czajkowski> :)
[18:39] <cjohnston> czajkowski: we are talking about teabags
[18:39] <cjohnston> at work
[18:39] <cjohnston> and the proper amount to make a good iced tea
[18:39] <czajkowski> cjohnston: do not look at me! 
[18:39] <cjohnston> ;-)
[18:39] <czajkowski> ice tea is wrong 
[18:39] <cjohnston> iced tea is great
[18:39] <czajkowski> surely by now we have established this 
[18:39] <cjohnston> my new medic has gotten me to start drinking hot tea
[18:39] <mhall119> +100 iced tea
[18:40] <cjohnston> southern sweet iced tea, right mhall119 
[18:40] <czajkowski> weirdos
[18:40] <cjohnston> have you tried it?
[18:40]  * czajkowski wants taffey! 
[18:40] <mhall119> +1 southern, -1 sweet
[18:40] <czajkowski> cjohnston: yes! 
[18:40] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm pretty sure we made her drink some at my house
[18:40] <cjohnston> its great
[18:40] <cjohnston> nice mhall119 
[18:40] <czajkowski> and in the hotel 
[18:40] <czajkowski> and in dallas too 
[18:40] <czajkowski> just odd such a cold drink 
[18:40] <czajkowski> and I hate ice 
[18:41] <cjohnston> I remember sitting in Belgium and we made, I believe it was popey, eat some syrup on his bacon iirc
[18:41] <mhall119> well in Florida we don't leave it sitting all over the ground for half the year
[18:41] <czajkowski> cjohnston: yes
[18:41] <czajkowski> he didnt like it 
[18:41] <mhall119> syrup on bacon?
[18:41] <czajkowski> yup
[18:42] <mhall119> why would you cover up bacon-y goodness?
[18:42] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[18:42] <czajkowski> adds flavour 
[18:42] <mhall119> yeah, non-bacon flavor
[18:42] <mhall119> that's like adding lead to gold because it adds color
[18:44] <mhall119> it's too bad czajkowski isn't here now
[18:44] <mhall119> I'd take her to the state fair and introduce her to corruptions of food she can't even imagine
[18:45] <czajkowski> mhall119: meanie
[18:45] <mhall119> why is that mean?
[18:45] <czajkowski> starving 
[18:45] <mhall119> I mean, sure, it'll take a decade of the life-span of your heart
[18:45] <czajkowski> and michelle keeps teasing me with food tood 
[18:45] <czajkowski> *too
[18:46]  * mhall119 is eating a large plate of homemade BBQ pork as we speak
[18:47] <czajkowski> >:(
[18:47] <mhall119> next October you will be exposed to my BBQ
[18:47] <mhall119> and if you're lucky, Michelle's fried fish too
[18:49] <czajkowski> eh no fish 
[18:49] <czajkowski> want some corn bread again 
[18:50] <mhall119> the fish is good, even if you don't like fish, you'll like it
[18:51] <czajkowski> the mothership tells me the same thing 
[18:51] <mhall119> Michelle hates fish, can't stand it, but the way she makes it....
[18:58] <czajkowski> starving now !
[19:07] <Ronnie> mhall119, czajkowski: can you think of one USE CASE for the page http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ . Why would someone wants to know what event are all taking place in the whole world ?
[19:07] <mhall119> someone who wants to know "What's happening in the Ubuntu community?"
[19:08] <mhall119> it's a nice way to see global activity
[19:09] <czajkowski> Ronnie: it looks cool to see that may events happening 
[19:09] <czajkowski> I'd love a way to sort on top
[19:09] <czajkowski> by date
[19:09] <czajkowski> by country 
[19:09] <czajkowski> by event type 
[19:09] <czajkowski> logging offf
[19:09] <czajkowski> bbiab 
[19:09] <Ronnie> bay
[19:11] <Ronnie> i see that page is growing exponentially the last few months
[19:11] <Ronnie> im thinking of a way to organize the data in  more usefull way. but therefore i first needed to know the use
[19:13] <sense> I do find it a bit irritating often that when you view an event or meeting, you are directed 'back' to the general overview, not the team overview you came from.
[19:14] <Ronnie> sense, were working atm on the sub-navigation. Maybe you can give comments on that, or come with new ideas
[19:14] <Ronnie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/NavigationUsability#preview
[19:15] <sense> good point about the external link prohibition
[19:15] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/eF8/ and http://ubuntuone.com/p/eGI/ for page layout and subnav
[19:15] <mhall119> sense: yes, please give some feedback on the wiki spec
[19:15] <mhall119> the more input we get now, the better our solution will be
[19:15] <sense> I'm taking a look.
[19:15] <mhall119> thanks
[19:16] <sense> What is the 'Join this team' button for? What will it do?
[19:16] <mhall119> sense: it directs you to Launchpad's page for joining a team
[19:16] <sense> ok
[19:16] <Ronnie> its only visible for teams your not a member of
[19:16] <mhall119> or if you're not logged in, it's visible on every team
[19:16] <sense> What if teams use a different structure? We don't admit people directly to our main LoCo Launchpad team, but use a subteam.
[19:17] <Ronnie> should it be visible if a user is not logged in?
[19:17] <Ronnie> sense, good point
[19:17] <mhall119> sense: um...
[19:17] <mhall119> we pull our membership from the main loco team in LP
[19:17] <Ronnie> many teams have that strucute
[19:17] <mhall119> if you're not putting members in there...we won't know about them
[19:17] <Ronnie> mhall119: ^^ about the "Join" button
[19:18] <mhall119> I suppose we can provide an over-ride "Join URL" field in the team details
[19:18] <Ronnie> the join button then refers to a team which you can't / may not join
[19:18] <sense> But won't referring people to a Launchapd page only confuse potential local community members? Maybe it would be more useful to show them a page with options to get involved.
[19:19] <mhall119> sense: oh, good idea, link to "Get involved with this Team", and from there link to the Launchpad page..
[19:19] <sense> yeah
[19:19] <Ronnie> +1 for that
[19:19] <Ronnie> sense, can you make a bug for this
[19:19] <mhall119> would the "Get involved" page be in LD, or point to a wiki or team website or something?
[19:19] <mhall119> I'm not sure what LD would put on there that's not already on the team's page
[19:20] <sense> mhall119: Don't we want to make the wiki redundant? :)
[19:20] <mhall119> sense: no
[19:20] <mhall119> we just want to stop using it for discrete data
[19:20] <sense> ok
[19:21] <sense> I would find an overview page on the LoCo Directory itself the prettiest solution: more consistency, guaranteed theming and integration with what else there is available.
[19:21] <mhall119> I think allowing teams to define their own "Get involved" link would be best, default to what we currently use if they don't
[19:21] <mhall119> sense: but what would we put on the page?
[19:21] <sense> Though maybe at first a link to an external page could suffice, to spare (wo)manpower.
[19:21] <sense> mhall119: points to where they can get in touch?
[19:21] <sense> Maybe links to the translation teams as well.
[19:22] <sense> Places to get and receive support.
[19:22] <mhall119> sense: we have those points on the team page already
[19:22] <mhall119> team wiki, irc channel, mailing list, website
[19:22] <sense> but those icons aren't very clear
[19:22] <mhall119> I think that's already on Ronnie's list to clear up
[19:22] <sense> They're just icons, maybe they could be accompanied by some text?
[19:22] <sense> ah :)
[19:22] <Ronnie> :D
[19:23] <mhall119> since every team has a different process and areas for getting involved, I think we'll need to link to an external page
[19:23] <mhall119> at least until we integrate a wiki in LD ;)
[19:23] <sense> That could be a good solution for now indeed. If the need arises, an integrated solution could always be implemented later on.
[19:24] <sense> I like the meetings and events overview in the mock-up, though I would be careful with using too distracting icons there.
[19:25] <sense> The UI changes proposed at the wiki page look like good solutions to me.
[19:25] <sense> I would only use icons for linking when it deserves/needs attention, otherwise text.
[19:26] <sense> I would change the wording from 'Create a Team' to 'Start a Community', or something.
[19:27] <sense> Generally, less team-focussed, more community-focussed. LoCo's are Local Communities, not teams.
[19:27] <Ronnie> sense, the problem is, "text" cannot be placed next to titles, while icons can. thats why i chose for icons. i cant see a way to make "ical" and "rss" texts
[19:28] <sense> Ronnie: It makes sense to use icons there. But maybe you could use monochromatic icons of equal height, or something like that. They seem to stand out a lot now.
[19:29] <Ronnie> the monographic icons will be there (hopefully soon). I hope doctormo wants to create some
[19:29] <cjohnston> I still think my teams should go on the top nav
[19:30] <sense> Aren't most people member of just one community?
[19:30] <sense> I'm active in Ubuntu NL, but not in any other LoCo, for example.
[19:30] <Ronnie> cjohnston: it is when you logged in (in the new mockup) http://ubuntuone.com/p/eGI/
[19:31] <mhall119> sense: there are a significant number of people in 2 or more
[19:31] <sense> mhall119: What kind of LoCo communities should I think of? People in city and state LoCos? Or people living abroad?
[19:32] <Ronnie> sense, take JanC as example
[19:32] <mhall119> sense: people who moved, but are still involved with their old loco team
[19:33] <sense> mm
[19:33] <sense> But two teams still isn't a lot.
[19:33] <mhall119> no
[19:33] <mhall119> there's probably no more than a handful of people in more that 2
[19:33] <mhall119> for now...
[19:39] <Ronnie> even when im in a single team, i like the "My Teams" page more than the team overview page. I dont need to know in what country we live, what languages we speak, and who are the admins. Also i not very interested in the photo's (i see them on other team channels). So the "My Teams" page is even perfect for "one teamers" i guess
[20:38] <sense> You could something that shows you an overview the the activities of the teams your in, and that dynamically scales.
[20:44] <Ronnie> sense, what do you mean by "dynamically scales"
[20:44] <sense> Ronnie: When you're in one team, it could just show all activities of that one team, but when you're in more, it could mix content.
[20:48] <Ronnie> i think that type is only usefull when someone in involved in 3 or more teams
[20:48] <Ronnie> and the page will be too much table like
[20:52] <Ronnie> the problem with tables it to focus on the right info, because all info is (almost) equal. In my opinion tables are (usually) non-userfriendly
[20:53] <Ronnie> except if you have a lot of data
[21:15] <Trickyj> q Ronnie 
[21:15] <Trickyj> Hi