[00:51] New bug: #723480 in php5 (main) "php5-fpm uses too high value for pm.max_children by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723480 [00:53] Hi. I have my users jailed in their SFTP home directories. According to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590, the directory has to be root:root. so how do I give those users write access to their home dirs? [01:00] dravekx, the directory you set SSH to jail to is viewed as "/" to the user [01:00] so you create the user's home directory from that point [01:00] i.e. /jail/home/username [01:01] ahhhh [01:01] qman__ ++++ [01:05] qman__, there's no way to give them access to said / ? [01:06] New bug: #723483 in rabbitmq-server (main) "Package fails to configure and hangs if hostname not resolvable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723483 [01:07] dravekx, no, but any given user shouldn't have access to / anyway [01:07] except root, of course [01:08] especially in a jail setup, you can just put files wherever you want [01:08] qman, that severely limits someones attempt to escalade to root though :( [01:09] qman__, when they login, they are at said "/", but really they are in /home/user/thisplace/ [01:09] hah [01:10] dravekx, if they are at / when they log in, it's because they don't have permission to their home directory relative to the jail [01:10] so, for example [01:10] if the user is jailed to /home/user, you must create /home/user/home/user, and grant the user permission on the second 'user' folder [01:11] that's wild. i understand it, but its wild. [01:12] yeah, it makes things a little confusing [01:12] that's why I prefer to make a separate directory for jailed users, like /jail [01:12] then you could have /jail/user/home/user [01:13] or if your users can share a jail, /jail/home/user [01:13] depends on your needs [01:14] qman__, I understand. Now if I could grasp the permissions concept. [01:15] qman__, basically, if I want that user and my admingroup to access his folder, I would set user1:admingroup, correct? [01:16] yes [01:16] then if anyone needs access, I can just add them to admingroup. [01:16] and then chmod appropriately [01:17] k [01:17] thanks [01:17] no problem [01:18] anyone here LDAP and SAMBA experts? [01:21] ive been googling my life away trying to find a solution that fits my problem with LDAP/SAMBA and Profiles [01:30] anyone? [01:31] is there anyway to get rid of the "~" when users are jailed? instead of url/~user .. make it url/user? [01:32] im not sure i have never looked into that but i can if youd like [01:34] dravekx: if you mean HTTP URLs, that's entirely up to your webserver configuration? [01:42] When using virt-manager (for kvm) on lucid, do I need to manually configure bridges? [01:42] I didn't *think* I had to, but experimental evidence seems to contradict me [01:43] Ah, looks like libvirtd sets up the NAT bridge by default, but not bridges to physical NICs. I must be remembering the former. [02:53] Hello, I installed Ubuntu server 10.04, though within under a minute to five minutes, it hangs and I have to do a hard reset [02:53] It happened on the regular version of ubuntu too... [02:56] benjgvps: run memtest86+ [02:57] twb: I have. No problems reported after running it all night [02:57] benjgvps: dunno then [02:58] My guess is that it's something to do with power management or something. It's actually a Neoware CA2, which uses a low power 800 MHz VIA CPU. It's odd, Windows XP ran just fine even when I pushed it hard. Some other distros, like Puppy for example work just fine on it :| [03:00] benjgvps: try googling for "acpi=off noapic" [03:00] benjgvps: those two (and a bunch of others, that google should find) are things to try when you get weird behaviour [03:00] Thanks [03:37] can i create lucid vms using vm-builder? or is it just up to intrepid? [03:44] I'd like to build a media server, utilizing Ubuntu Server x64, and have 8 TBs, backed up by an 8tb raid... [03:45] Is this possible? [03:48] ? [03:52] Lalallala [03:55] Xase: trying to see if you get someone to wake up? :) [03:55] Yessir. [03:56] I'm tempted to bother the CM team to ask... [03:58] Xase: Do you have an issue you need help with? I'm no pro at Server at all, but maybe I can help? [03:58] Well if what I want to do is possible, then it's also possible to do it on regular Ubuntu... [03:59] I want to create a Media server, that can be used as also Network Area Storage, with 8 tb, backed up by an 8tb raid [04:01] Xase: Sounds cool. Did you check out http://www.havetheknowhow.com/ That might help. It's a bit older article but it seems helpful. or Even http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/feature-linux-media-server-using-ubuntu-810-2009065/ [04:03] Reading them [04:04] Well I know how to build a media server, my main objective is being able to have the 8TB backed up via RAID, and be able to access said backups near immediately if main drive should say.... fail? [04:08] Xase, understood. Maybe this article helps http://catgirlalexandria.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/setting-up-software-raid-on-ubuntu-server-8-10-10-10/ . Not super smart on the subject myself. Have dabbled in linux for a few years now but am starting a full transition over from Windows as of a couple of weeks ago. [04:08] Nice. [04:09] Well I'll google about. [04:09] nad peruse over those articles. [04:09] Xase, cool. Good luck. [04:23] Maybe a double raid solution... [04:24] Where one raid is just a mirror copy of the first, with hot-swappability ? [04:27] Xase, that sounds good. I maybe missing something but if you set up a raid, you should be good if one drive or two drives fail, right? [04:27] Well yes. [04:28] Xase, Is doing what you state a bit over the top? Just curious. Again, not perfect but I have a couple of storage devices set as Raid5 and I had both break once. Replaced the broken drive and all my data was still there, nothing missing. Unless you see maybe a scenario where more drives would fail than could be recovered? [04:28] What I really need is a 8tb media server with a backup clone. [04:28] Xase, in that case, maybe setup a second one that you can just backup to on a daily basis? [04:29] Yes, but would I be able to do it so that just new data gets stored? [04:29] If so I could just set up a Cron task correct? [04:29] Is anyone here experienced with freeNAS and FTPs? I know it isn't ubuntu but #freenas is full of a bunch of zombies. You people are so much smart <3 -- I'm getting error 500, invalid port command when I try to connect via the internet, but my 192.168 IP works. [04:31] Xase, Cron may work. But maybe get a program that's specifically for backups. Something like http://www.junauza.com/2009/01/7-best-freeopen-source-backup-software.html [04:42] Xase, bacula looks better than Time Vault. Bacula might be better. [04:42] I was just reading about i. [04:44] Xase, AtomicSpark thinks it might be a bit overkill (bacula) for backing up a media server. He says possibly rsync might be better. I just through the question out in the offtopic channel while I was in there. [04:45] Hmm... [04:45] Rsync eh? [04:46] Yeah. But I know very little about it. It's on that web page I sent you though. [04:50] Yeah... [04:50] sounds great. [04:51] Did you mention that I'd be rsyncing 8tb of data though? [04:56] Xase, no I didn't tell him that. I asked and he said "ruffdog: Its hard to back up that much data. You'd probably just rsync one volume to another. Thats pretty much your ownly option. :<" [04:57] Xase, he also says "ruffdog: Using some type of RAID would prevent losing your media due to drive failure. It's not backup, but it helps a lot." [04:59] Xase, and AtomicSpark says more "ruffdog: Note that RAID 5 is sketchy on that size of a volume. You're better off doing some sort of nested raid. Like raid 1 + 0." [05:44] is there a fast way to create a new admin user with the same rights/groups as the original admin user created during install? [05:44] (basically we want to rename the admin user, but it sounds like the best way to do this is create a new acct and delete the old one) [06:22] Can someone tell me if this works for them? ftp://173.65.117.170:2021 ? [06:49] Hello. [06:49] Could someone perhaps tell me what 4 dots rotating between red and white means on the screen after grub? [07:00] asdf [07:00] asdfasdf === airtonix is now known as argument === sourcode_ is now known as sourcode [07:26] anyone? :< [07:26] i think everyone is offline. [07:27] My server is stuck here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/ubuntu-boot.png [07:27] We moved the drives into a new chassis. [07:30] sdollins: boot it in the recovery mode - it will disable splash, and present you with more info about boot process. [07:31] it's shift key for grub2 right? [07:31] yes, left shift [07:33] hmmm [07:34] all is fine is recovery mood [07:34] mode* [07:37] then try removing quiet and splash from the default boot entry, and see if it also fixes the problem. [07:43] mkay rebooting [07:43] kklimonda, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/ubuntu-boot2.png [07:43] its stuck there [07:51] sdollins: can you login using ssh? It does look like the boot process ends, but ttys aren't spawned for some reason [07:51] i don't think networking is up [07:51] let me check [08:05] kklimonda, yes networking works. [08:05] sdollins: if so, I'd try logging in using ssh and checking what does ubuntu think its runlevel currently is (there is a runlevel command). The fact that nginx has started suggests that it's not that (it's started from old, sysinit scripts) but binmft-support is one of the last messages you get before the login prompt is shown. The last one comes from acpi-support which may not be [08:05] installed/enabled on your server. [08:05] (on the other hand you have pulseaudio installed so it's not that servery.. ;}) [08:05] It's not my server and I thought the same XD [08:05] Well, I don't use it [08:05] N 2 is the run level [08:05] and what does sudo service tty1 status returns? [08:05] start/running [08:09] and getty is running? [08:09] meh, it should be [08:09] yep [08:31] I don't really see anything useful in that :( [08:32] sdollins: weird.. so plymouth should stop when rc is done... [08:32] sdollins: its *very* useful.. it tells me that rc finished [08:32] sdollins: which means the condition in /etc/init/plymouth-stop.conf that says 'or stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' should have been matched [08:34] i see [08:34] This started after we did a chassis change. I'm not sure if you read that. [08:35] No but did your network interface maybe change from eth0 -> eth1 ? [08:36] i've taken care of udev rules [08:36] networking is fin [08:36] e [08:38] sdollins: what does 'status plymouth' say? [08:38] start/running [08:38] pid 530 [08:39] sdollins: for giggles, try 'sudo /bin/plymouth quit' [08:39] sdollins: then 'status plymouth' [08:39] stop/waiting [08:39] ok.. *weird* [08:40] its still stalled too :( [08:40] ok can you boot w/ --verbose (remove the -x from /etc/init.d/rc) and then pastebin your /var/log/boot.log ? [08:42] okay its booting up now [08:45] Hi there, I've got a mail server which is heavily uploading mail (imap port 993) although I can't seem to establish where exactly this mail is coming from, i.e. which box on my network is sending this mail. how would i be able to identify which computer (IP) on our network is uploading such heavy amounts on data through our mail server? Port 993 [08:46] Zaca12, you could run tcpdump on the mail server and set it to only show packets which have a destination port of 993 - this would show you which IP's were sending the data === jamie_ is now known as iclebyte-work [08:46] Zaca12: I've used 'ntop' in the past to find abusive users. :) [08:47] http://pastebin.com/G8xvTrK2 SpamapS [08:47] SpamapS, we've just implemented ntop on our core network but since it run's in RAM it doesn't seem to keep those stats for very long [08:47] which is quite frustrating [08:48] so is the fact we bought the pro ntop with the plugins and support and don't get replies from luca derbi [08:48] that sux. I haven't had to use it for a while... [08:49] it's a cool product though, we were looking at it as an alternative to other commercial deep packet inspection tools [08:49] it would be perfect for a home network, we're using it to monitor a broadband network with 36000 users though [08:50] iclebyte-work: i used it to monitor a highschool wifi network 400 users.. didn't have much problem on old 1G boxes. [08:51] 400 wifi connections is quite different to 36,000 8 meg ADSL circuits [08:51] out of interest though, which AP's did you use? [08:53] iclebyte-work: Cisco I forget the model # [08:53] iclebyte-work: very nice units.. [08:54] iclebyte-work: had ap<->vlan<->e1000<--linux bridge-->e1000<->rest_of_network [08:55] iclebyte-work: also ran snort feeding into an ACID database so we could catch the script kiddiez trying to exploit the other boxes. [08:55] ah you used it inline [08:56] SpamapS, we're using a mirrored port on some cisco kit. [08:56] SpamapS, did you find many attacks? [08:56] iclebyte-work: no.. the admins I built the IDS network for didn't realize how hard IDS tuning was.. [08:56] =) [08:56] was this an academic network? [08:56] iclebyte-work: instead of quieting down the ACID flags.. they just ignored it and used ntop to find the kids who were downloading stuff. [08:57] haha [08:57] The biggest problem on the network (unbeknownst to them) was kids running Unreal Tournament [08:57] these two kids were geniuses.. they figured out a way to get around the normal controls... [08:57] this was a while ago =) [08:57] and setup a phantom share on a linux box to serve up the game... [08:57] and then would *SELL* access to it. [08:58] awesome [08:58] i love people like that [08:58] the administration was mad.. but I got their contact info and still occasionally throw work their way ;) [08:58] they're both sysadmins now :) [08:59] that does not supprise me. [09:01] sdollins: any progress on that boot.log ? [09:01] i linked you [09:01] about time I started thinking about sleep... [09:01] http://pastebin.com/G8xvTrK2 SpamapS [09:01] oh sorry Imissed it [09:01] Me too. I've slept 3 hours in the past 40. [09:02] sdollins: weird.. I don't see events for rc or runlevel [09:03] I've gave up ;P [09:03] I'll just reinstall it tomorrow. [09:04] sdollins: doesn't make much sense, but I understand. ;) [09:17] I have got a server with its lsb_release -a, and /etc/issue saying its maverick, while source.list has all from karmic, what would be the definite way to confirm the version? [09:19] Error404NotFound: either check /etc/lsb-release or /usr/share/doc/base-files/changelog.Debian.gz [09:20] first one was maverick, and a zcat on second tells maverick... [09:20] seems maverick, someone pulled a prank on me by replacing source.list to karmic [09:20] Error404NotFound: sounds like a half-aborted upgrade [09:22] SpamapS: what is half-aborted upgrade? Someone has started upgrade karmic->maverick, decided it was a bad idea, and restored all sources.list? [09:22] kklimonda: that, or they copied some of /etc from a maverick server onto an old karmic box [09:24] changelog for base-files is from maverick so it's probably the first one, or the prank :) [09:24] Error404NotFound: the running kernel is the best clue [09:25] ikonia: Linux optrak-3 2.6.35-22-server #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:48:58 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [09:25] i guess its maverick [09:25] right? [09:25] looks that way from the kernel [09:28] so sources.list is just screwed [09:28] maybe an old config management overwrote it? [09:36] New bug: #723603 in vsftpd (main) "vsftpd no longer supports both anonymous_enable and local_enable " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723603 [09:44] I am thinking to run KVM on my maverick box, the only external interface is eth0 which is statically assigned right now. If i create a bridge, would i need to install dhcp server and run on it? or if i am giving all the network conf parameters like ip, gateway, dns,etc to vms? === ogra_ is now known as ogra [10:00] moin [10:03] hi, I've an 10.04 server with nfs exports, trying to mount NFS with 10.10 clientes give me error: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported [10:03] found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/656889 [10:03] Launchpad bug 656889 in nfs-utils "nfs mounts no longer negotiate protocol with older servers" [Undecided,New] [10:04] it's strange its important is undecided because it seems to make impossible to connect server with desktops [10:28] Hi Guys === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [10:28] I am kind of confused about apt-cacher [10:28] I need to know when does the package db get updated ?, i mean if a client requests a package that is already cached, but there is an update to this package, will the client get the older cached package from apt-cacher or will apt-cacher go and fetch the new package, cache it and serves it to the clien t? [10:33] don't use apt-cacher [10:33] use apt-cacher-ng [10:36] patdk-lap: :( [10:36] patdk-lap: I already started using it, configured it and it's currently downloading the packages [10:36] well, apt-cacher-ng is a straight replacement for apt-cacher [10:36] patdk-lap: Would it be possible to use the same cached directory structure of apt-cacher with apt-cacher-ng ? [10:37] atleast for me, apt-cacher caused it to be 10x slower than not using it at all [10:37] and apt-cacher-ng is fast [10:37] I dunno if the structures are the same or not [10:37] hmm [10:37] any good docs on apt-cacher-ng ? [10:39] dunno, it was too simple to use, didn't need any [10:39] patdk-lap: Ok Thanks [10:39] Now what about my question at the top ? [10:40] patdk-lap: what do you think ? [13:39] morning [13:39] morning zul [13:48] i got cli right now, but i want to use firefox or chrome to browse internet, whats the lightest gui for this purpose [14:03] azizLIGHTS, you have a range of light window managers: lxde, ion, xmonad, openbox, fluxbox [14:03] these are even less resource intense than xfce correct? [14:04] correct ! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems [14:04] its telling me not to install GUI: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI [14:04] if you're on a server you shouldn't have a gui [14:04] azizLIGHTS: ratpoison is REALLY light weight. :) [14:04] why do you need a gui on a server ? [14:05] because i use the server for proxying basically, and downloads are unstable and break [14:05] so i must use chrome on the server itself [14:05] because my connection seorver is unreliable [14:05] my connection to server [14:06] is there a better way [14:06] lynx and elinks and links cannot do [14:06] azizLIGHTS: wget or curl [14:06] :( nor wget [14:06] wget will certainly work better than chrome [14:07] there is some sessionids and javascripting involved [14:07] azizLIGHTS: run lxde or ratpoision in a vncserver instance :) [14:07] this sounds interesting [14:07] i have no gui components at all right now, does this mean i need to install x-org [14:08] or is there one single command for ratpoison that takes care of it [14:08] azizLIGHTS: apt-get install vncserver [14:08] then just use ratpoison with that. [14:10] i mean do i have to sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core, and then sudo apt-get install ratpoiuson [14:11] if you want to run it on the video hardware in the server, yes. [14:11] if you just want a network service that you can do x11 stuff in, use vncserver. [14:12] i dont quite know what that means [14:13] ok [14:14] !info tightvncserver [14:14] tightvncserver (source: tightvnc): virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.9-6.1 (maverick), package size 752 kB, installed size 1568 kB [14:15] then use a vnc client, on another system to connect to that. [14:16] i can run a vnc server on the server without x-org? [14:17] and see a gui on the vnc client display? [14:17] yes [14:17] oh [14:17] do i install ratpoison on the server or the client? [14:17] azizLIGHTS: it will install a small amount of xorg, apt-cache info tightvncserver will show the packages that it requires. [14:17] on the server. [14:18] azizLIGHTS: then just add 'ratpoison &' to the end of your ~/.vnc/xstartup [14:19] basically run vncserver once to create the .vnc directory and files, then shut it down and edit ~/.vnc/xstartup [14:20] morning all [14:21] ok greppy, so basically sudo apt-get install vncserver ratpoison; vncserver; quit vncserver' edit .vnc/xstartup to add ratpoison &, then runvncserver again and it will launch ratpoison into vnc, and connect via vnc client and enjoy? [14:22] that all the steps? jkust want to make sure [14:24] azizLIGHTS: yes [14:24] jdstrand: for libvirt-bin, in debian/control. Should we be keeping recommends/suggests/depends as in debian, or as in our older versions? [14:29] jdstrand: (nm, i'll chug along and document every frigging thing i move relative to debian one) [14:33] jdstrand: btw, I'm switching to 0.8.8 which is now in unstable. (though pull-debian-source and lp:debian/sid/libvirt don't yet show it) [14:35] hallyn: wont someone please think of the children ;) [14:36] children are best with fava beans and a nice chianti [14:38] SpamapS: you are the expert on mountall, right? [14:39] hallyn: re debian/control> for this merge I think so. going forward they can be reevaluated I guess. many (some?) of those were the result of ubuntu-server changes [14:40] hallyn: re 0.8.8> oh, good :) [14:40] hallyn: I think the path of least reisistance is the best option atm [14:40] resistance [14:41] hallyn: I feel your pain with the merge [14:41] * jdstrand hugs hallyn [15:03] jdstrand: actually one more q. For the debian changelog entries to copy over... do I start after the last version which ubuntu had in common with debian? [15:03] hi, how can I discover which package would provide a certain file? [15:03] or just start after 0.8.5.1 ? [15:03] simonadameit: dpkg -S /path/to/file [15:03] ah, thanks! [15:03] np [15:08] hallyn, If you are doing a merge, the changelog should be the original ubuntu changelog, with the newer entries from debian at the top; then for the top most entry is what remaining ubuntu changes exist between debian and ubuntu. [15:08] hallyn, bzr merge-package *should* do that for you [15:19] hallyn: what Daviey said, with the exception of bzr, since that doesn't work with source format 3 too well [15:20] hallyn: basically the changelog has all the ubuntu changes that were ever made interleaved [15:22] New bug: #723755 in samba (main) "When using Samba authenticating via Kerberos against a windows AD, winbind hangs on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723755 [15:23] jdstrand: yes, but ubuntu's libvirt hasn't been based on debian's since 0.8.3-1. So I was wondering whether to go back to 0.8.3-1, or to 0.8.5-1 [15:23] I'm doing 0.8.3-1 [15:25] hallyn: that isn't how it works [15:25] hallyn: maybe I don't understand your question [15:25] Daviey: I think the server team should SRU bind 9.7.3 into lucid and maverick. It's the only sane solution to get DNSSEC working properly. I've added a comment to that effect to bug #651875 [15:25] Launchpad bug 651875 in bind9 "Bind 9.7.0-P1 validation errors" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651875 [15:26] hallyn: hold on, I think I know what you are asking [15:26] jdstrand: the last time ubuntu's libvirt package was based on debian's was with 0.8.3-1ubuntuX. After that, debian had 0.8.4*, 0.8.5*, 0.8.7*. We had 0.8.5-0ubuntuX [15:27] hallyn: right, yes. I see what you are getting at [15:28] mdeslaur, Well certainly sounds a clean solution, and if we do that it might be a good idea to A) run it past the tech board and B) let it bake i -proposed with more than just the usual verification process [15:29] hallyn: so, in this case, interleave all the way up to 0.8.3-1ubuntu14, then include Debian all the way to 0.8.8-X, then do 'Remaining changes' [15:29] Daviey: yes, I completely agree...let me know if the server team needs anything from me [15:29] mdeslaur, Have you looked at the diff between the two versions? [15:29] jdstrand: interleave? thta wont' be misleading? [15:30] hallyn: I think that best conveys what we are doing. so Debian+Ubuntu up to 0.8.3-1ubuntu14, Debian from 0.8.4-0.8.8, then your new ubuntu1 entry with all the 'Remaining changes' [15:30] hallyn: is that more clear ^ [15:30] oh, and drop 0.8.5-ubuntu*? [15:30] Daviey: it _humongous_, and contains a crapload of dnssec fixes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571183/ [15:31] *awesome* [15:31] hallyn: yes. all those changes are caught in 'Remaining changes', and it conveys what actually just happened-- ie that we slurped in all the 0.8.4-0.8.8 Debian changes [15:31] Daviey: I think it's time to do it, before they start releasing 9.8....I assume 9.7.3 shouldn't impact configuration files from 9.7.0 [15:31] hallyn: what do you think? [15:31] mdeslaur, that was one of my concerns :/ [15:32] mdeslaur, I'll draft a PPA package and email to ubuntu-devel CC'ing TB today. [15:32] I'm sorry, why is the TB being CC'd? [15:32] this is a one-time exception-- ie an SRU [15:33] Daviey: cool...you may want to check with lamont to see if he's got 9.7.3 ready for natty [15:33] * jdstrand didn't read all backscroll [15:33] jdstrand, I want the TB's comment jumping 3 minor versions in a LTS release :) [15:33] jdstrand: i'll try. I can envision one problem case, but not sure i'tll happen. will see. thanks. [15:33] Daviey: that is up to the ubuntu-sru team [15:34] hallyn: well, this is only about documenting what we are doing. I am not saying dropping the changes, only how we represent them in the changelog [15:35] jdstrand, Yeah, that sounds suitable. [15:36] jdstrand, regarding bzr merge-package and deb-src 3.0, have you tried doing an interim commit with patches unapplied? [15:36] Daviey: we've tried all kinds of things and while it might work for 1 person doing the committing, invariably the various committers do something slightly different and it blows appart [15:37] apart [15:37] standardisation++ [15:39] hallyn: so that we are on the same page. you are: grabbing 0.8.8-X from debian. then integrating/dropping our changes in debian/, then adjusting the changelog to be Debian+Ubuntu up to 0.8.3-1ubuntu14, Debian 0.8.4-X - 0.8.8-X, then your 0.8.8-Xubuntu1 changelog entry, documenting all the remaining changes, drops, new stuff, etc like we discussed [15:41] hallyn: so all the 0.8.5*ubuntu* changes still in the package, but only discussed in the changelog in the 0.8.8-Xubuntu1 entry [15:41] hallyn: correct? [15:42] jdstrand: yeah [15:42] hallyn: ok great, then let me leave you alone :) [15:42] What could be a possible reason, that kernel updates wreck the linux-image-server or MBR? Just rewriting the MBR (/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/disk_without_partition doesn't work. I have to reinstall the kernel as well before doing that, always both. [15:42] hallyn: aren't libvirt merges fun? [15:42] i'm trying to figure out the cause of the new commandtest failure [15:42] hallyn: on the plus side, they really exercise ones packaging skills [15:43] granted, that isn't particularly desirable *right* before FF [15:50] Daviey: (thought) it might be worthwhile to send an email to #ubuntu-server as a call for testing for bind9 [15:50] jdstrand, yeah, totally [15:51] "Please test your production DNS servers on this PPA" :) [15:51] but yeah, hopefully we'll get some testing [15:51] Daviey: well, presumably -proposed, but I hear you [15:51] Daviey: that said, anyone interested in dnssec would want to anyway [15:52] hallyn / jdstrand: just did a bzr merge-package on libvirt to see what it yielded for changelog... http://pb.daviey.com/YIJD/raw/ [15:52] Daviey: you could also politely ask IS if they would as well. not sure what they'd say, but worth asking [15:52] jdstrand, I'll dig a trench, then ask tentatively :) [15:52] good thinking [15:53] Daviey (and hallyn): yeah, that doesn't reflecet what actually happened though... [15:53] reflect [15:53] Oh aye, just wanted to see what it should show. [15:53] getting back in sync with Debian is always fun [15:53] * jdstrand nods [15:54] hallyn: but that paste does show that you should add 0.8.3-2+, which I had totally forgotten about :) [15:55] the -v to use will be weird.. [15:55] Yup, those are in. I just need to consolidate the old ubuntu log entries [15:55] hallyn: I vote for -v0.8.3-1ubuntu14 [15:56] cool [15:56] Anyone an idea why Ubuntu Server kernel updates result in non-bootable machines now and then? [16:04] laen, Do you have any special kernel modules that you added? [16:13] how do i know which grub is running: http://pastebin.com/p2kHdDYz [16:16] none is running [16:16] grub doesn't run [16:16] you don't have grub-pc installed, therefor, you have 'grub 1' installed [16:17] ivoks: well, by running i meant running at boot time after BIOS :) [16:18] mdeslaur, So you are thinking 9.7.3 should go back to Lucid, Maverick and be uploaded to Natty? [16:18] Error404NotFound: well, technically, what you have installed doesn't have to be the same thing you have on MBR [16:18] ivoks: so to run older grub, i need grub pc? [16:18] mdeslaur, Noting that Debian doesn't even have 9.7.3 yet :o [16:19] Error404NotFound: grub-pc is 1.98, while grub is 0.97... which one is older? :) [16:19] ivoks: hmmm [16:20] am i confusing you? [16:20] grub 1 = grub [16:20] grub 2 = grub-pc [16:20] Daviey: lamont is the debian maintainer...ask him when he'll have 9.7.3 packages ready. [16:20] ivoks: nah, not confusing :) [16:20] lamont, ^^ :) [16:20] sprinting this week. [16:21] having said that, I'm currently doing my test build of 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1 [16:21] heh, lamont that is great news. [16:21] lamont, I suppose you understand the predicament? [16:22] I've been ignoring the predicament... [16:22] lamont, We are looking to SRU 9.7.3 into Lucid and (probably) Maverick due to the DNSSEC stuff. [16:22] er, I mean, which predicament are you referring to? [16:22] * lamont has commented on the bug, and is +50 to SRUing it into lucid [16:22] lamont, that is great news.. thanks [16:27] New bug: #723796 in qemu-kvm (main) "Enable spice in kvm" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723796 [16:29] hi, anybody from the -server team would be willing to sponsor updates of the ebox* packages? [16:31] bencer_, It might be a good idea to raise a bug on Launchpad, "Please update ebox version XX to XX" and attach a debdiff, bzr branch or link to a dsc (and associated) files.. and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors team [16:31] bencer_, I'm sure someone from the server team will pluck it first. [16:32] Daviey: on bug for every package? [16:32]