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andylockranpopey00:15
andylockranI'm having trouble00:15
andylockrando I need to do any configuration00:16
andylockranwhen I /etc/init.d/gdm start, it goes to a black screen - and takes out the keyboard and mouse with it (though ssh connection still open to kill X) and get back to terminal00:16
andylockranalso, only have 1 tty00:16
andylockranI'm in rescue mode, so that could be it00:17
popeydont be in rescue mode00:24
popeyandylockran: did you install the package I said?00:24
popeyalso remove your xorg.conf00:24
popeybed00:25
dutchie\o/ bed00:25
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czajkowskialoha06:04
MooDoohello all07:59
AlanBellhi MooDoo08:14
TheOpenSourcererMorning earthlings.08:14
MooDoo:)08:15
HazRPGgreetings!08:18
HazRPGwow, this is awesome: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm08:19
Baikonuris it?08:23
HazRPGwow that's a lot of disconnects in one go!08:27
MooDooyes it's just a split and happens, nothing to really worry about08:27
MooDooHazRPG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit08:27
HazRPGa server s... k thanks :)08:28
daubersheh08:38
popeywheeee08:39
DJonesfreenode is having a bit of a rollercoaster start to the day08:40
MooDooyeah fun08:40
HazRPGindeed08:41
=== jamie_ is now known as iclebyte-work
TheOpenSourcererNot as much as Gaddaffi is.08:49
DJonesLooks like he's on just the downward slope though, its even worse for the people in the country08:51
TheOpenSourcereryeah.08:51
jpdshttp://blog.fedecarg.com/2011/02/22/command-line-package-management-with-apt-2/08:57
jpdsThat is all.08:58
popeypffft08:58
popeythats been doing the twitter rounds for weeks08:58
bobcoder_Whats the bgest client for IRC Unbuntu 10.1009:09
bobcoder_please09:09
MooDoo!best09:09
lubotu3Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.09:09
bobcoder_oki sorry was just starting out09:10
MooDooi use x-chat or irssi personally :)09:10
MooDooirssi being a command line client09:10
bobcoder_thanx MooDoo09:10
diploXchat is probably best known09:10
HazRPGhmm, for some reason my bluetooth device won't hold a connection for longer than 5 minutes09:10
diploAnd widely used I'd guess09:10
bobcoder_thanx diplo09:10
DJonesbobcoder_: Same recommendation here, xchat if you want a gui, irssi if you're happy with command line09:10
dogmatic69chatzilla09:10
HazRPGcould possibly be my stereo headset that could be the problem09:11
JamesTaitHELO canonical.com09:11
BigRedSEHLO!09:11
BigRedS:)09:11
danfishmorning mortals!09:11
* danfish was stuck on hold to a well known bank this morning and now has "the girl from ipanema" musak on a loop in his brain09:13
* danfish applies a soft reset09:13
* BigRedS complains at improperly packaged things09:14
HazRPGI've noticed no one ever recommends pidgin09:14
HazRPGI never have a problem with it09:14
bobcoder_i know i've tried it :-(09:14
BigRedSI don't think people tend to recommend against it...09:14
DJonesHazRPG: I use that for chat/msn etc but not for IRC09:15
BigRedSIt's just that empathy's built in and does a fair sized proportion of what pidgin does09:15
BigRedSahhh, as an irc client! I've never tried it09:15
diploI've had loads of issues with empathy losing conversations09:15
HazRPGI wouldn't recommend empathy for irc tbh09:15
HazRPGsome functionality is missing09:16
HazRPGpersonally I feel empathy is still a way of being properly usable09:16
DJonesI tried empathy for chat, but I ended up reverting to pidgin because of a won't fix bug/feature09:16
HazRPGDJones: what's that?09:17
BigRedSI keep going between them. Pidgin does set-to-away-when-idle and empathy is aware of the notion of priority in XMPP09:17
DJonesHazRPG: With new conversations, does it bring up a window yet, when it was introduced, new conversations would show in the norification area, but if you missed it, you wouldn't know that it'd started unless you were looking at the main empathy window09:17
BigRedSDJones: Nope09:18
BigRedSThat, too, is daft and annoying. It seems to do the old gnome thing of setting a stupid default and not letting you unset it09:18
bobcoder_didn't realise i'd started such a debate :-)09:18
popey:)09:18
DJonesBigRedS: Thats why I still use Pidgin, I'd rather have a new window open so I can see at a glance09:18
bobcoder_xchat is cool! nice and simple. Thanx everyone09:18
HazRPGDJones: not sure, I stopped using empathy for the same reason09:19
BigRedSDJones: yeah, I'm getting used to it. The XMPP priority thing is almost invaluable, though09:19
mrevellHi09:19
BigRedSespecially in the absence of away-when-idle09:19
BigRedSDJones: you can still see at a glance, you just need to glance in a different, vastly smaller, place. One that you don't tend to look at generally... :)09:19
HazRPGI've always thought the notifications in gnome just doesn't seem right to be honest...09:20
DJonesBigRedS: I've got no problems with it being a won't fix, I understand the reasons for it, if it suits the developer thats fine, its their choice09:20
HazRPGnumber of times I've seen something tell me /something isn't right, you need to type in this command/ and it disappears before I get chance to type it09:20
HazRPGmainly dropbox09:21
HazRPGMooDoo: \o09:22
MooDooHazRPG: just chaging irc client.09:22
bobcoderme too09:22
HazRPGMooDoo: ah09:22
MooDooHazRPG: moved back to my command line irc client, so i don't need to use my windows box any more09:23
HazRPGheh09:23
screen-xmorning :)09:26
HazRPGmorning09:26
bobcodermorning09:27
shaunohowdy09:27
bobcoderany xplane types here?09:28
DJonesbobcoder: What is xplane, the name rings a bell, but can't place what it is09:29
bobcoderI'm trying to dev a plugin for it. Its a flight sim09:29
DJonesbobcoder: Can't say its something I've played, but just googled and found an unofficial irc channel on freenode #xplane-chat and possibly #xplane09:34
DJonesMaybe the channels are dead, but there might be somebody in there09:35
bobcoderthanx Djones. i'll go look.09:35
DJonesbobcoder: Also found this with an irc.x-plane.org with a channel #x-plane http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=1227309:36
davmor2morning all09:36
dwatkinshiya folks09:36
DJonesHi davmor2 dwatkins09:36
bobcodersweet no one there but we'll see :-)09:37
DJonesbobcoder: Sounds like that one on irc.x-plane.org might be a busier channel09:38
* davmor2 slap czajkowski a high five and wonders if she is thinking more about her holiday than work09:38
bobcoderYeah it is, thanx again Djones09:38
DJonesbobcoder: You're welcome09:39
screen-xgot FUP throttled (to 256k till end of month) by ISP last night, phoned up to request MAC, throttle removed :)09:42
DJonesWhat did you do to get throttled09:43
screen-xDJones: probably too much iplayer HD09:44
DJonesheh09:44
mungojerryscreen-x which isp?09:44
screen-xeclipse09:44
bigcalmMorning09:44
mungojerryonly 5 days left09:44
mungojerry:P09:44
MooDoomungojerry: till?09:45
screen-xstill, that was going to be a right pain.09:45
mungojerrymoodoo, screen-x got throttled till end of month.09:45
MooDooah09:45
screen-xMy ADSL line only does ~1.5mb, I thought that would make it quite hard to go over usage ;-)09:45
mungojerryscreen-x have you checked to see if you have any "friends" leeching your wifi?09:47
JamesTaitOr any friends willing to share theirs.09:48
screen-xhaha09:48
screen-xthats more likely, most of them are on the same channel in default config09:48
bobcoderYou can share mine :-009:48
czajkowskidavmor2: I will kill you09:48
* MooDoo is disgusted that there isn't any open wifi's around his house....pah! ;)09:48
MooDooczajkowski: that's a but strong09:49
MooDoos/but/bit09:49
davmor2czajkowski: Why I slapped you a high 5 nice and wondered if you were think about you're holiday09:49
bobcoderstrreplace('but','bit'); hehe09:49
* DJones wonders if death threats are against the !coc or whether in this case in might be justified :)09:49
czajkowskiDJones: hush you09:50
czajkowskiit doesnt count when it's me and davmor2 and possibly MooDoo09:50
* DJones hushes09:50
MooDooczajkowski: oi zip it ;)09:50
mungojerryczajkowski, how's your knowledge of other IT consulting companies? my employer is in bed with a particular consulting company and i am fearing the worst for our current open source infrastructure09:50
czajkowskidavmor2: because of flipping trains09:50
* TheOpenSourcerer wonders how the OSSG event was last night?09:50
davmor2DJones: it's like white noise when it's us09:50
czajkowskimungojerry: ye should come talk to us so09:50
czajkowski:)09:50
* mungojerry wishes they used sirius consulting instead :(09:50
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: quite good actually09:50
czajkowskiAlanBell: do a write up please09:50
AlanBellczajkowski: yeah, working on one09:51
czajkowski:D09:51
AlanBellthere will be an audio recording of it I think09:51
czajkowskiAloha bw to all the nicer folks in Ubuntu-uk09:51
davmor2czajkowski: can't blame me for the trains the ones I use are always on schedule :P09:51
* AlanBell wonders if he is in that set09:51
DJonesMorning czajkowski09:51
MooDooczajkowski: we're all nice, even me an davmor209:51
czajkowskiMooDoo: you and davmor2 are special09:51
mungojerry"special"09:51
MooDooczajkowski: we love you too :)09:52
danfishhah - so many meanings to 'special'09:52
czajkowskidanfish: shhh dont let one09:52
davmor2that's why czajkowski used it09:52
MooDoodanfish: you've been in the channel long enough, you work it out ;)09:52
danfishczajkowski: they're quicker then I thought :P09:53
czajkowski:)09:53
* czajkowski would like to strangle some teachers today 09:53
MooDoohigh five davmor2 and a prod to czajkowski09:53
* czajkowski rolls up her sleeves and digs into mail 09:53
davmor2MooDoo: ^509:55
* davmor2 annoyingly causes czajkowski sleeves to roll back down09:56
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, Hi fella09:57
* czajkowski hugs selinuxium 09:57
* czajkowski kicks davmor2 and sends davmor2 and MooDoo to the naughty step 09:57
TheOpenSourcererwotcha selinuxium. Did AlanBell meet you yesterday?09:57
* selinuxium hugs right back at ya czajkowski09:57
dogmatic69popey: you around?09:57
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, He called me at 17:00 I had already left for the day.09:58
TheOpenSourcererPart timer.09:58
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, :P09:58
davmor2czajkowski: you can't send me to the naughty step I never got off it :P09:58
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, Markets are open from 8 to 16:3009:58
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, not often I actually get to leave on time..09:59
popeydogmatic69: ya10:03
dogmatic69the vid you tweeted last night... my 10.10 also sticks windows between the workspace10:03
popeyapparently this is normal10:04
MooDooczajkowski: oi you're not my mum, /me goes and sits on the naughty step10:05
davmor2MooDoo: you brought your cushion this time I can't put up with another day of you whining how cold the step is :D10:07
MooDoodavmor2: i'm going to sneak out behind the bike shed and have a fag, she won't know....10:08
czajkowskiMooDoo: so classy!10:11
MooDooczajkowski: i don't smoke really :)10:11
brobostigonmorning everyone10:16
kazadesigh, I can never remember.. where does pbuilder dump the final package?10:18
davmor2morning brobostigon10:18
brobostigonmornning davmor210:18
MooDoobrobostigon: morning10:20
screen-xI think I've been spoilt by green & blacks, but the chocolate on kitkats is way to sugary.10:20
brobostigonMooDoo: good morning,10:21
HazRPGanyone here use aptana in ubuntu?10:22
screen-xHazRPG: Haven't used it, but looks interesting10:24
HazRPGmain reason I started using it in windows was because I wanted to fully switch over to ubuntu, shame aptana isn't in the repo, or have their own ppa10:25
screen-xHazRPG: is it an eclipse plugin?10:25
HazRPGscreen-x: it can be used as an eclipse plugin yeah10:26
HazRPGthey have their own IDE that's based off eclipse too though10:26
screen-xcan you install it through the eclipse update thing?10:26
brobostigonmorning HazRPG :)10:27
HazRPGI'm not sure lol10:27
HazRPGbrobostigon: morning :)10:27
HazRPGscreen-x: never tried it as an eclipse plugin10:27
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HazRPGnever tried eclipse for that matter10:32
bobcoderNetbeans?10:33
HazRPGalthough, technically I have since I think aptana's IDE is pretty much customised version10:33
HazRPGbobcoder: yeah I've used netbeans before for java coding10:33
bobcoderi use it soley for php now10:33
HazRPGreally?10:33
HazRPGis it any good for php?10:34
diploSame here, as does my colleague10:34
* screen-x used netbeans to create some awful GUIs at uni10:34
diployeah10:34
bobcoderyeah got datbase views and you can jump to function declarations etc10:34
bobcoderso on one project,,, its all there10:34
HazRPGnice10:34
diploMy fave part is the projects side of things, can't find anything else to compete10:34
bobcoderlinks in to phpdocumentor as well :-010:34
brobostigonyay, working gnome-shell from git, :)10:34
HazRPGbrobostigon: grats :D10:34
andylockranhowdy10:35
brobostigonHazRPG: its working really well too.10:35
HazRPGbrobostigon: what's it like :)?10:35
HazRPGandylockran: hey dude10:35
brobostigonHazRPG: let me try and make screen shots,10:36
HazRPGbrobostigon: that would be awesome :)10:36
andylockranhow's things HazRPG ?10:37
HazRPGandylockran: not bad, yourself ?10:37
HazRPGhmm... ubuntu doesn't really have desktop widgets does it?10:38
brobostigonok, how do i make screenshots, please.10:38
MooDoobrobostigon: press the print screen button?10:38
BigRedSHazRPG: KDE sort-of does10:38
HazRPGnot a huge fan of KDE10:38
brobostigonMooDoo: and that sticks theminto my /home ?10:38
HazRPGI prefer my gnome panels and fonts it uses10:39
MooDoobrobostigon: think it gives you the option of where to save them, try it :)10:39
BigRedSbrobostigon: ~/Desktop10:39
brobostigonMooDoo: ok,cheers. :)10:39
brobostigonBigRedS: :)10:39
HazRPGmy dislike for KDE is pretty much because of aesthetics though10:40
diplobrobostigon, Shutter is a good screen shot app10:40
brobostigondiplo: thnk you.10:40
HazRPGbrobostigon: not sure about gnome-shell - but pressing print screen shows up a dialogue to ask where to save it10:41
brobostigonHazRPG: it did exacttly as expected, :)10:41
MooDoobrobostigon: i have my uses :)10:41
brobostigonHazRPG:  http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecU/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecW/10:43
brobostigonMooDoo: :)10:43
brobostigonits running smooth as a babies bottom,10:44
HazRPGhmm, looks interesting10:44
brobostigonit is,10:44
MooDoobrobostigon: sigh....babies.....pooey nappies and late night and easrly mornings......10:45
brobostigonand i like being able to message via empathy from the status bar.10:45
brobostigonMooDoo: well, maybe not them.10:45
brobostigonthen*10:45
HazRPGis there a way to get the old location bar on nautilus10:47
HazRPGother than CTRL+L10:47
BigRedSit's buried in gconf somewhere10:48
BigRedShttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreNautilusLocationBar10:48
BigRedSHazRPG: ^10:48
HazRPGBigRedS: thanks :)10:48
dogmatic69ctrl + l maybe10:49
mungojerrybrobostigon, what were those ubuntuone links you shared up there ^^10:50
brobostigonmungojerry: gnome-shell screen shots,10:51
dogmatic69does anyone know how i can dowload a youtube video?10:51
mungojerrywere they shared from your u1 account?10:51
brobostigonmungojerry: yes.10:51
* mungojerry worries10:51
brobostigonmungojerry: why?10:51
mungojerry3 characters isn't enough for security - try entering pseudo-random digits10:52
mungojerryi  just did it and got a CV, a photo of somebody ..10:52
brobostigonthats how the ubuntu-one nautilus plugin spat the urls out like,10:52
HazRPGhmm I just found byobu hidden in the applications menu10:53
mungojerrybrobostigon, howeer i can download all sorts of stuff try exhaustively trying combinations of 3 characters10:54
brobostigonmungojerry: yes,10:54
brobostigonmungojerry: may i suggest,it needs to be brought up with the ubuntuone guys.10:55
HazRPGhow does byobu do exactly?10:55
andylockranI love it10:55
MooDoodogmatic69: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54784810:55
screen-xHazRPG: screen \o/10:56
brobostigonHazRPG: did you see in my terminal screenshot thatthing atthe bottom ofmy terminal, thats part of byobu.10:56
HazRPGbrobostigon: yeah I noticed the "byobu" at the top too10:56
andylockranhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/deU/10:56
HazRPGcurrently have it open10:56
HazRPGis it just a regular shell but sort of tabbed?10:57
BigRedSHazRPG: effectively10:58
andylockranyeah10:58
screen-xHazRPG: yep, and detachable :)10:58
andylockrantabbed, with a dashboard :)10:58
* HazRPG consults man byobu10:58
andylockranit's basically screen witha  profile10:58
BigRedSand you can 'minimise' it too10:58
HazRPGcool10:58
screen-xBigRedS: wut?10:58
s-fox:)10:58
BigRedSCtrl-A,  D10:58
BigRedSscreen-x: going for analogies with windowed apps10:59
screen-xok ;-)10:59
screen-xAlso you can attach to the same session from multiple xterms or multiple machines, flipping fabulous.11:00
shaunofrom multiple machines is fantastic.  this is my primary use of screen :)11:01
dogmatic69MooDoo: nice one, thanks11:02
czajkowskiwhoo cookies !11:02
screen-x"Chrome 11 or Chrome 12 are set to receive an Omnibox extension that will allow users to launch web apps directly from the URL bar." What do you normally do with a url bar?11:02
davmor2Someone say cookies11:03
andylockrancookies11:03
screen-xbiscuits ;-)11:03
MooDoodogmatic69: you're welcome11:03
HazRPGooo why didn't I know about gconf sooner!11:04
gord"launch web apps directly from the url bar". so thats different than going to the website that has the web app with the url bar?11:04
gordi'm confused11:04
HazRPGits like an ubuntu regedit! :D11:04
gordHazRPG, oh no, and just as we are getting rid of gconf!11:04
screen-xgord: as am I.11:05
HazRPGgord: we are?11:05
HazRPG:(11:05
gordyup, gnome depreciated it for gnome 311:05
gordgsettings now with dconf backend11:06
HazRPGlol but isn't it the same thing essentially :P?11:06
gordno, but it is similiar11:06
brobostigonidont think i should set it as default yet, to go to gnome-shell on boot, as i am sure it isnt fully stable yet. and as it is from gnome git, could break easily.11:13
HazRPGman I love chuck!11:27
HazRPGawesome show :)11:27
mungojerryhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/ArePublishedFilesPrivate Are published files private? No. Published files are meant to be public files that you can easily share with anyone through a simple URL.11:28
* mungojerry plays another round of ubuntuone bingo :P11:29
AlanBellmungojerry: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/11:30
mungojerryhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/aaU/ ewwww11:30
AlanBellmungojerry: see what you mean, just pick a url and download random stuff!11:31
mungojerryyeah11:31
mungojerrymore like roulette than bingo i guess11:32
shaunopython's string operators are hurting my head.  think this is why I keep running home to php :/11:32
BigRedSevery time I have to write php i hit php.net for basically every function call11:33
BigRedSit could really do with some consistency...11:33
* BigRedS pimps Perl a bit. well, *someone* has to11:33
* iclebyte-work would like an object orientated scripting language like python which uses real syntax like java.11:36
shaunoI just like languages that document everything.  with examples.11:36
BigRedSthe php manual is really good11:37
BigRedSit's just a shame it's also really neccesary11:37
* iclebyte-work agrees with BigRed11:37
* iclebyte-work hates javadoc11:37
andylockranperldoc is quite good11:37
andylockranthough for me, ipython is just the dogs balls.11:37
BigRedSyeah, it's generally got the answers I want. That and perlmonks11:37
JamesTaitmungojerry: Published files are, by definition, public. They're not meant to be secure. If they're not suitable for viewing by the entire internet, they shouldn't be published.11:39
JamesTaitThat's what we created shares for. :)11:40
BigRedSWait, is the issue that it's too easy to guess the url to other public files? I thought they were private files...11:40
BigRedSwhere thought -~ "had assumed"11:40
mungojerryjamestait, however not all users may realise quite how public they are. i believe dropbox has a long url , probably with a checksum so that least it offers at least a big more security11:40
brobostigonit seems gnome-shell will only except my google calendar as input via evolution, ohwell.11:41
brobostigonmind you, evolution is gnome default though,11:43
JamesTaitmungojerry: Short of popping up a dialogue box or something saying "You are publishing a file. This means it is public. Anyone on the internet can view it. Are you sure?", which we'd get equally slated for, I'm not sure how we could make it clearer.11:43
BigRedSbrobostigon: the gnome2ish one also uses evolution11:43
BigRedSif you mean the one in the panel11:44
brobostigonBigRedS: yes,i hate the config dialogs, as they dont scale properly onmy eeepc's screen.11:44
shaunoheh, that's been a bug for as long as I remember.  the general answer is "don't be silly, no-one uses that resolution anymore"11:45
brobostigonballs.11:46
shaunoeven tho I'd be willing to bet there's more people using 6-800px high now, then there was when it was first raised11:46
brobostigonagreed.yes.11:46
mungojerrysupport for eee pc 701 seems to have disappeared nowadays :(11:46
brobostigonmungojerry: i dont see why,debian sid shouldnt work, wifi support should be there,with OSS drivers, so shouldnt be a problem, especially with a recent kernel.11:47
brobostigonshould*11:48
brobostigonwhy not*11:48
directhexthere needs to be a cutoff point on resolutions11:48
mungojerrybrobostigon, which model eee do you have?11:49
brobostigonmungojerry: a 900 ssd.11:49
brobostigondirecthex: very true, you cant possibly accomodate for every possible resolution, thats impossible.11:49
shaunodirecthex: probably, but shipping an email client with the netbook distro that won't fit it's dialogs on netbook-sized screens seems silly to me11:50
directhexshauno, one very quickly deprecated model of netbook11:50
directhexshauno, anything that doesn't fit on a 9xx is a bug, btw11:50
mungojerryi try never ever to be an early adopter, but when the eee 701 came out, i really needed it for some conferences i was attending.11:51
mungojerrystill use it at work occasionally too though, but my android has displaced it11:52
brobostigonmungojerry: android x86 should run fine on your eeepc,btw, :)11:52
mungojerrybrobostigon: i tried it a while back, but no wifi, maybe they have come on since then11:53
brobostigonmungojerry: they have, the most recent i tried, based on android 2.2, wifi worked fine here.11:53
mungojerrycool - gonna try that11:54
mungojerrywhat are you running on it now?11:54
selinuxiumtheo11:54
directhexi don't really get the attraction to android :/11:54
brobostigonmungojerry: no,i am not. i am on ubuntu 10.1011:55
* mungojerry would like to attach a touch screen in his eee pc11:55
shaunoI tried that a few years ago, but gave up because my vendor seemed incapable of shipping touchscreens in one piece11:56
mungojerrythere are some thinner touchscreens but probably more ££11:57
mungojerrysome are even solderless11:57
shaunolost track of how much I cost them shipping shattered screens to & from china because they refused to learn that two sheets of cardboard weren't sufficient rigidity11:57
BigRedSdirecthex: I've noted that it's mostly WebOS users who are unimpressed by android...11:58
BigRedS:)11:58
directhexBigRedS, there's a reason for that11:58
BigRedSyeah, I want a proper go on webOS11:58
mungojerry+111:58
brobostigonqnx on the RIM playbook is going to be inteesring, i was always impressed with qnx.11:59
directhexBigRedS, had a play with the emulator in the sdk?11:59
directhexbrobostigon, yeah... RTOS on a mobile device though is..... bad11:59
brobostigondirecthex: good point,11:59
BigRedSdirecthex: nah, just a faff with a couple of real-life phones11:59
directhexbrobostigon, and the playbook ui is a 101% rip-off of webos12:00
directhexeven windows phone 7's new multitasking in the mango update is a clone of how webos does it12:00
directhex... i sound like a beos user, don't i12:00
brobostigondirecthex: i would partly, tend to agree,i havent tried either though yet.12:00
brobostigondirecthex: you start to sound like me, i am a BeOS/haiku-os user.12:01
brobostigonsorry.12:02
HazRPGoh wow!12:02
HazRPGhaha, I just made my time show in swatch .beats xD12:03
* HazRPG really wished that .beats would have took off more than it did12:03
brobostigonHazRPG: try it in raw unixtime, and then doing the mathematics everytime you want to know what it means.12:04
HazRPGbrobostigon: haha I'd rather not :P12:04
brobostigon:)12:04
HazRPGI have a hard time understanding unixtime as it is :P12:04
HazRPGI use it all the time for timestamps12:04
HazRPGbut I don't think I'll ever be able to work it out just by looking at it though :P12:05
* brobostigon 's tummy is rumbling, lunchtime me reckons.12:05
* mungojerry is rather peeved that an important meeting was arranged at lunchtime12:05
brobostigon:(12:06
brobostigonbrb.12:06
ubuntuuk-planet[Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam coming soon - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/12:07
bigcalmExercise time :)12:07
* brobostigon heats up last nights curry.12:12
brobostigon:)12:12
andylockranhaha12:12
andylockranblog gone back to 2007 :)12:12
screen-xandylockran: sounds like it would get on with my ups12:13
andylockranhttp://zrmt.com12:13
screen-xlime green :)12:14
HazRPGthat's odd, I thought ubuntu synced time with an ntp server as default!12:17
* HazRPG messing around with settings12:17
HazRPGmungojerry: I would be too12:18
HazRPGbrobostigon: hurray \o/12:18
HazRPGscreen-x: although your ups seems to think its older than it really is ;)12:19
brobostigonHazRPG: :)12:19
HazRPGhmm... this is odd12:20
diploHazRPG, there is a bug about that12:20
diploIt doesn't / didn't work correctly12:20
HazRPGwhy are the default ntp servers some unknown ones I've never heard of before12:20
HazRPGI thought everyone used www.pool.ntp.org12:20
diploOne of the canonical guys was working on it, read it on the canonical blog12:20
HazRPGabout the ntp stuff you mean?12:21
diployeah12:22
diplofew weeks ago12:22
HazRPGblog.canonical.com ?12:26
HazRPGI can't see it anywhere12:26
diploI'll see if i can find it a mo12:26
HazRPGcool, thanks12:26
* HazRPG checks to see if its on ubuntu planet12:27
diplochiark.greenend.org.uk12:28
diploIs the guy who posted it, canonical tech board person12:28
diploPosted on 6th december12:28
diplo(Searched on other PC)12:28
HazRPGah12:34
HazRPGI'll stick with uk.pool.ntp.org12:34
* brobostigon digs into chicken curry.12:36
brobostigongood luck for the ubuntu libya team.12:45
brobostigonconsidering the situation there,12:46
shaunowell, that was a bit messy, but I now have a lil script creating new procmail rules for any mailing lists I haven't already matched.12:46
shaunobe interesting to see how long it takes for that to explode in my face12:46
brobostigonitv4, 11pm, quadrophenia, tonight, :)12:53
brobostigonweirdest thing, gnome-shell doesnt seem to have a minimise-maximise window button/buttons, short of a double click for the action, on the title bar.12:57
brobostigononly exception, seems to be chromium, which always does it own thing.12:59
HazRPGtime for some food myself I think13:06
brobostigon:)13:06
shaunoone thing I'll never get used to seeing here, is the military doing security for bank drops13:41
popey"here" ?13:42
shaunoireland13:42
popeyah13:42
mungojerryi used to work near bank of england when they did their bullion dash13:42
shaunoit mostly feels 'just like home', but every now and again they do something odd like that which jarrs me13:43
mungojerrywhole fleet of police cars leading a convoy through streets on city of london, was great13:43
shaunomungojerry: this is scaled down, but similar.  but using army trucks instead of police cars13:44
mungojerrylike GTA3 :P13:44
shaunothat's the bit that throws me off.  I grew up around military bases, so I'm perfectly used to MPs; but also perfectly used to the boundaries we don't see them cross.13:45
shaunocompletely off-topic, just a random observation since they just drove past my window :)13:47
czajkowskishauno: have to make use of them somehow13:49
shaunodunno, I think having no use for them at all would be a noble goal :)13:50
czajkowskiso pay them to sit in the barricks and do nthing :)13:52
andylockranhow's things?13:52
mungojerryi've just scoffed down pasta for lunch between meetings and i've got bright red lips that won't wipe off. they will think i put lipstick on for the meeting :S13:54
brobostigonlol. :(13:55
BigRedShaha13:56
mungojerryi'm also trying to put android 2.2 on my eee..all in 20 min lunch. i really should prioritise eating13:56
brobostigonyes, it better for you,not to rush eating.13:57
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bobcoderanyone use Funambol?14:07
Baikonurisn't that tightrope walking14:08
bobcoder:-) feels like it yeah14:09
bobcoderI guess if i'm more specific .... sync-gui14:10
HazRPGhey14:27
screen-xstraw?14:28
bobcoderstraw?14:29
* HazRPG has mcdonalds for lunch14:29
HazRPGwas shocked at the number of business men that was in14:29
HazRPGmust be some sort of convention that I'm missing out on14:29
screen-xIt was a very weird connection in my brain, with "hey" soundling like "hay"14:31
bobcoderah i c/sea/see14:31
screen-xthats the one ;)14:31
bobcoderyou a coder, because that the way i think!14:32
screen-xheh, I'm a sysadmin, if that counts :)14:32
bobcoderyeah sorta :-)14:33
HazRPGheh I always get weird connections like that too14:35
HazRPGbald/bold/bowled14:37
HazRPGsome people make them sound exactly the same >_<14:37
bobcoder:-P14:38
dwatkinsscreen-x: sometimes when people say "hey!" to me I reply "Hay is for horses" ;)14:38
screen-x:)14:38
HazRPGheh, I use "hay's what horses eat" sometimes14:38
HazRPGdepends how pedantic I want to be14:39
screen-x"What do you do if you see a postman?" "Tie your horse to it, man"14:39
HazRPGxD14:41
DJonesSTOP THE WORLD, I want to get off...My Dad has just managed to install, set up and connect his new broadband service with minimal assistance including a wired machine, 2 wireless laptops running Win 7 & Ubuntu....I'm going looking for the flying pigs now14:52
bobcoderDoes he want a job? :-)14:53
seaslugI don't belieeeeve it14:54
screen-xDJones: trained him well you have14:54
HazRPGDJones: force is clearly strong in that one!14:55
DJonesHe's not done badly for a 70 year old14:55
HazRPGwow14:56
HazRPGimpressive14:56
DJonesI'm impressed anyway, I was fully expecting to have to go over tonight to connect everything14:59
HazRPGso you should be14:59
DJonesAll I had to do was change his email over at the weekend to get away from the old ISP's accounts14:59
dwatkinslol, oops - I'd created a 12 GB file with grep...15:10
HazRPGhehe15:11
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czajkowskiAlanBell: how many were at last  nights event?15:21
czajkowski20+15:21
AlanBell50+15:22
czajkowskireally..15:24
HazRPGooo wow!15:30
HazRPGelectric sheep is in the ubuntu repo :D15:30
* HazRPG does happy dance15:30
DJonesHazRPG: Do Android dream of ......?15:30
HazRPGindeed ;)15:30
HazRPGyou read the book too?15:30
DJonesYep, many years ago15:31
gordis it on the android market? because that would make more sense15:31
DJoneslol15:31
HazRPGlol15:31
mungojerrybrobostigon: did you have any problems joining wireless networks when running adnroid 2.2 on your eee?15:35
brobostigonmungojerry: it did hesistate, but with some pushing it did it, finally.15:36
mungojerryhmm15:37
mungojerryit scans and attempts to join, but doesn't seem to work15:37
brobostigonmungojerry: what chipset does yours have, mines an atheros here.15:37
mungojerryyeah atheros too15:37
brobostigonhmm,15:38
mungojerryi'm running the live cd for eee15:38
brobostigoni know the one.15:38
brobostigonno idea. to be truthful.15:38
mungojerrythats ok, thought i'd ask15:38
brobostigonsorry.15:38
mungojerrynp15:39
brobostigonmungojerry: theremust be a wayof doing it, as it does say, it works fully on eeepc, ontheir site.15:39
mungojerryit's so much faster than the 1.6 i tried a while ago15:43
brobostigon:)15:44
brobostigonit is,yes.15:44
brobostigontheir gingerbread port will be interesting.15:44
mungojerryhtc sense is far prettier than stock android tho15:44
brobostigoni dont perticulerly go for sense, it seems to add lag and things like extra memeory and cpu overhead.15:46
mungojerry\o/ yay..15:46
mungojerrysolution : disable ethernet before enabling wifi15:46
brobostigonah,15:46
brobostigon:)15:46
mungojerry"Wifi and Ethernet will not work at the same time on any x86 build AFAIK."15:46
brobostigonhmm, :(15:47
brobostigonweird. ohwell.15:47
mungojerrybetter get back on topic again :P15:47
brobostigonandroid is linux, and OSS, so ontopic, :)15:48
bigcalmChickens, cheese, minecraft, trains, cake & roundabouts only. Not linux please15:50
davmor2awaits the flaming that czajkowski is about to give after reading her twitter feed15:50
brobostigonbigcalm: you forgot real ale.15:51
bigcalmbrobostigon: beacuse I didn't see it in the topic15:52
bigcalmThough a pint of spitfire would go down willingly right now15:52
brobostigonbigcalm: :)15:53
mungojerryopen parentheses too15:54
mungojerryand happy happy joy joy \o/15:54
HazRPGrestarting x, brb15:56
mungojerrybored with android on my eee already :(16:00
mungojerryi think i just like the challenge of getting it working :)16:00
brobostigon:)16:00
HazRPGhmm, I can't seem to get dropbox to stop saying "Unable to monitor filesystem"16:02
HazRPGseems I have to type that command and restart dropbox each time my system starts16:03
* HazRPG made a bash script to automate this process for me16:10
BigRedSI approve of this sort of symptom-hiding :)16:14
dwatkinsat least it's only when you reboot16:15
dwatkinsyou only reboot once a year, right?16:15
zleaphi all16:16
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zleapwhat sort of things go on at a Launch party,  Is having isos or cd';s of latest release essential16:17
X3Nsometimes16:18
brobostigoniwould say, have iso's ready, and a few cd's, and ask people to bring usb or sd.16:18
zleapok16:18
X3Nalso it's a social occasion16:18
Azelphurwhen I went to launch party it was a pub with drinking and talking :P16:19
AzelphurI didn't see one laptop o.O16:19
brobostigonso curry and real ale :)16:19
zleapcool, i am looking at doing one in Paignton for 11.0416:19
* mungojerry never goes anywhere without a usb stick with ubuntu or ubuntu+1 on it16:19
X3Nwhat about the toilet?16:20
BigRedSThe ones I've been to, there's not been any need for laptops16:20
mungojerryyou never know when a livecd environemnt is needed16:20
zleapmeeting on friday to discuss eventys etc,  so after that I will know more,  i am not going to the actual meeting as its internal for the staff at the venue, but i have had positive feedback to the idea so far16:20
zleapi have loads of 10.10 cd's here,  at the moment anyway16:21
mungojerryofficial or unofficial?16:21
zleapofficial16:21
Neoti01zleap : i'll take one ..16:21
zleapok,  where u based16:21
mungojerryshould really get some of those - part of our job is to run IT helpdesk for ~ 200 staff16:22
Neoti01nottingham16:22
zleapah16:22
mungojerrymost of them are linux friendly16:22
brobostigonmungojerry: :)16:23
DJonespopey: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/23/minecraft/16:23
zleapso just a social thing that sounds more like a normal lug meet16:24
mungojerryminecraft look slike a bigger time sink than WoW16:29
shaunoluckily, I disagree :)  I can play it for 20 hours a day, and then not play for a week.  never had that benefit with wow, where I was 'expected' to be there at a given time, 3-4 days a week16:33
zleapi need to try and reach out to local techies16:33
mungojerryzleap, tried nottingham uni?16:36
zleaphmm,  i am in Devon16:36
mungojerrylol16:36
zleapi was thinking more locally16:36
Neoti01lol16:36
mungojerrysomebody else said nottigham16:36
Neoti01ME!16:37
mungojerryis there a devon uni :P16:37
zleapmay see if I can contact exeter and plymouth student unions once I have set up something16:37
zleapi know plymouth has a computing socieity16:37
zleapi guess exeter does too16:37
mungojerryzleap are you on the devon & cornwall lug mailing list16:41
zleapyes16:41
mungojerrythe photo has a high beard ratio i notice16:42
BigRedSzleap: uni comp socs might be able to provide/help with venues?16:42
zleapok,16:42
zleapwill have a look,  but i find it easier to look locally for venues,  i know I will go ask about stuff,  plus this venue won't cost us anything16:44
X3Nhum16:52
* X3N shouts for popey 16:53
X3Nsomeone get the popey-projector16:53
brobostigonsomeone check the popey-craft map ?16:54
mungojerryi think he's off looking at oggcamp venue16:54
* X3N shines the silhouette of elvis into the sky16:55
brobostigonlol16:55
X3Nubuntu-uk.org has gone down16:56
DJonesMaybe its been swallowed up by popey's minecraft server16:57
X3Nhmm maybe16:57
davmor2I'm guessing it is popey16:58
AlanBellDaviey: ^^16:58
Daviey*sigh*16:58
X3Naha Daviey do you have access to reboot it?17:00
dutchieis this the WP3/apache OOM thing that popey's been struggling with?17:00
DavieyI don't have the serial detials on this machine :/17:00
AlanBelldutchie: ssh seems down too (on the magic super secret port)17:01
Davieywordpress does seem to like causing OOM's IME.17:01
DavieyShhhhh,  "it's super sekkret"17:01
dutchieis it 1234?17:01
ali1234it better not be17:01
brobostigonlol17:01
DavieyI suspect the box is OOm'ing17:01
kirrusDaviey: I've not had any trouble with wordpress causing OOMs?17:02
X3Nyeah, I put it in uber debug mode though, so hopefully we'll have a better idea on why17:02
brobostigonhhgttg, 42 i reckon.17:02
Davieykirrus, I'm seeing it on two servers now17:03
Davieyquite random17:03
* AlanBell has servers running wordpress cheerfully17:03
kirrusWeird.. we have some really high-load wordpress sites, haven't noticed a thing.17:04
X3Nsame, though they're not using ubuntu17:04
kirrusDitto, on Debian Lenny here17:04
mungojerryif it's like drupal, it depends how many modules you enable17:05
mungojerrysome are killers17:05
screen-xgoogle.com/latitude is 404ing :(17:08
brobostigonagreed, screen-x :(17:09
kirrusscreen-x: try google.co.uk/latitude17:09
screen-xkirrus: same17:09
davmor2screen-x: I blame popey his mincraft world is taking down the t'interweb one server at a time :D17:09
brobostigonworks here.17:09
kirrusHuh, that is a weird 404 error17:09
kirruslooks like it's redirecting, but something's broke their end17:10
brobostigonfail also.17:10
screen-xHow am I supposed to know when to collect my wife if latitude is down...?17:11
brobostigondoes android maps latitude work?17:11
screen-xI don't have an android phone.17:11
Azelphurhow are you supposed to find a transaction ID in paypal?17:11
davmor2screen-x: you could use the old way and ring her17:11
screen-xdavmor2: I knew someone would say that ;-) I almost put it in <rehtorical> tags17:12
davmor2screen-x: happy to oblige17:13
jacobwdoes anyone run ubuntu on an msi wind u135[dx]17:13
jacobwi hate it when family members buy new computers and expect me to set them up :|17:14
brobostigonjacobw: i get it all the time.17:16
X3NDaviey: got the bitfolkers to reboot17:22
davmor2jacobw: come from being the "You know, he does things with computers" one17:22
screen-xI'm usually happy to help, as long as it doesnt involve windows..17:23
jacobwi don't mind setting up a new computer with ubuntu, but i don't like messing with windows in any capacity17:23
jacobw:)17:23
screen-x^517:23
jacobwwindow is highly unsuited for netbooks anyway17:24
DavieyX3N, cool17:24
davmor2jacobw: it isn't Microsoft said so17:26
jacobwwindows as a gui concept is unsuited to netbooks17:26
jacobwdavmor2: ha17:26
screen-xlatitude is back :)17:27
mungojerryre the uupc website, i noticed that the rss feeds aren't working anymore17:33
mungojerryi think since the new countdown page17:34
mungojerrymy gpodder started complaining a few days ago17:34
popeymungojerry: which specific feed url?17:41
popeyI tested them yesterday17:41
popey17:02:15 < X3N> yeah, I put it in uber debug mode though, so hopefully we'll have a better idea on why17:43
popeybe nice if you had told us that17:43
X3Nok17:43
X3Npopey: php is logging to a file with as much logging info as possible17:44
popeycool beans17:44
popeylet me know once you have read that :)17:44
mungojerrypopey, correction,the feeds are working again , must have been related to the reboot of webserver earlier :P17:46
X3Nit is read17:46
popeyhaha17:46
popeyX3N: fixed?17:47
jacobwo/17:47
HazRPG\o17:53
X3Nhmm there's a newer version of IXR that might fix it.17:53
* MartijnVdS waits for his Nexus One OTA17:53
AlanBellczajkowski: want a lift tomorrow?17:53
czajkowskiAlanBell: thank you for the offer but I've to be there for 817:53
HazRPGMartijnVdS: yeah I've been waiting too17:55
MartijnVdSHazRPG: at least the rollout has officially started now, according to Google17:55
MartijnVdS_finally_17:55
HazRPG:P17:55
HazRPGI wonder how the prioritise the rollout...17:56
* jacobw Froyo17:56
MartijnVdSMaybe we should ask a Googler to get the update.zip for us :)17:56
AlanBellczajkowski: ewww, I don't want to be up that early.17:56
czajkowskiAlanBell: ok17:56
HazRPGreckon they just go through the list of MAC address or serial numbers in order for the rollouts?17:57
AlanBellI can take you back again though, if you are going by train17:57
HazRPGMartijnVdS: heh I have always wondered why they don't have a manual download on the site17:57
HazRPGsurely with the number of servers they own, one download file isn't going to be a big issue17:58
czajkowskiAlanBell: thank would be great thanks17:58
AlanBellnp17:58
* AlanBell wonders how much mess is in the car at the moment17:59
czajkowskiAlanBell: food and drinks @ 617:59
AlanBellnom17:59
mungojerryhazrpg, yo mentioned a dropbox problem earlier.17:59
mungojerrythere's a solution besides running a script when u reboot :P18:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: the file is 20-90MB18:00
MartijnVdSHazRPG: (conflicting reports)18:00
HazRPGexactly, it wouldn't hurt the google servers for a manual download18:01
mungojerryhang on, what's the update? 2.3 for stock android?18:01
brobostigonmungojerry: aosp 2.3 for nexus one.18:02
* mungojerry is a sense user18:02
mungojerry:(18:02
mungojerryhowever 2.2 was the release i really needed..not sure what other features are required on my phone at this stage18:03
brobostigonmungojerry: sense is only a gui ontop ofandroid, which true version of android do youhave?18:03
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: sense is nonsense ;)18:03
* brobostigon has cm6.1 (android 2.2.1)18:03
brobostigonMartijnVdS: agreed.18:03
mungojerryforgot to leave work :S18:04
MartijnVdSmungojerry: got locked in? :)18:04
mungojerrynah, just noticed the time and i gotta get to the football stdium before kick off18:05
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I have USB debugging enabled, and I'm running logcat on the device ("adb shell" from the SDK)18:29
MartijnVdSHazRPG: it shows a lot of coolness that your phone does when it's not doing anything :)18:29
HazRPGMartijnVdS: ooo, shiny!18:31
HazRPGis your nexus rooted?18:31
MartijnVdSno18:31
andylockranmeant to resize a picture 60%, it was about 3000px wide18:31
andylockranin the end resized it to 60 pixels18:31
HazRPG\o/18:31
andylockranhate imagemagick18:31
HazRPGandylockran: heh, unlucky18:31
MartijnVdSHazRPG: only change is US firmware instead of European (so I get updates when Google sends them out, not when Vodafone gets off its arse)18:32
HazRPGandylockran: I have a feeling you have to assign it in pixels18:32
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you do have to enable "USB debugging" under "Development" in "Applications" in preferences though18:32
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I bought my phone straight from google, so I have a feeling mine is the US firmware too18:32
MartijnVdSHazRPG: it would, yes18:32
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I keep meaning to develop some apps for the android18:33
HazRPGjust never seem to have the time for it18:33
HazRPG(or the ideas when I'm actually sat in front of my PC)18:34
MartijnVdSsame here :)18:34
MartijnVdSI have the SDK18:34
MartijnVdSI've written "Hello World"18:34
MartijnVdSthen I logged into IRC ;P18:34
zleapok nothing official for a lauch party as yet but I have a page up for it :) http://www.zleap.net/ubuntulaunch.php18:35
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you need to configure your music playing app ;)_18:35
HazRPGMartijnVdS: configure it for what?18:37
HazRPGon my phone?18:37
HazRPGzleap: Hmm, you hosting an ubuntu release party?18:37
HazRPGwow Devon!18:38
HazRPGthat's miles away18:38
* HazRPG *faints*18:38
MartijnVdSHazRPG: lastfm :)18:38
zleapwell its not official yet,  but I put up a page ready, hence its says TBA18:39
HazRPGMartijnVdS: oh, heh yeah I forgot last.fm died for radio play recently18:39
zleaphopefully i can get the peeps at the lighthouse to agree and take it from there18:39
MartijnVdSHazRPG: only on mobile devices.. not on the desktop18:39
HazRPGMartijnVdS: wait, configure it how?18:39
* HazRPG feels like he missed something18:39
HazRPGzleap: yeah I noticed :)18:40
zleapah18:40
* HazRPG might have to see if I can possibly get a few friends to share fuel/travel costs and see if we can get down if it is on...18:40
HazRPGI have a feeling it would be a minimum of 6hrs drive away though :P18:41
zleapyou could do one where you are18:41
MartijnVdSoop norf :)18:41
zleapthe more we do the merrier,  better coverage of the country18:41
screen-x"I am out of the office until Wednesday 2rd Feb." I wonder when that is.18:42
MartijnVdSscreen-x: in a few years18:42
zleapscreen-x, till when ?18:42
screen-xzleap: not sure, was in an email I recieved yesterday18:42
zleapoh, lol18:43
zleapi would guess they mean 23rd feb (today)18:43
screen-xthat would make sense :)18:43
screen-xwhich means I should have a response tomorrow :)18:43
HazRPGseems cedega has had a sudden role reversal18:43
zleapso apart from Daviey is anyone else on ubuntu-uk in devon ? specifically south devon18:44
HazRPGzleap: somehow I think it would be pointless to host one here in cumbria - the scene for linux here seems to be very much dead sadly :(18:45
screen-xzleap: I was born in devon, if that helps ;-)18:45
jacobwI think reading theoatmeal.com is going to occupy my evening :|18:46
screen-x!alot18:46
lubotu3Do you like to hug alot? - http://bit.ly/aVDMTo18:46
HazRPGI can count 5 people in total in this area that uses linux exclusively18:46
screen-xI like that one :)18:47
zleaphmm,  HazRPG i know how you feel there18:47
jacobwI should join my local LUG18:47
HazRPGjacobw: I have, and so far no one on the mailing list has responded :(18:47
zleapi did a poster for my local lug,  i just not long after it actually started,  i think posters do help spread the word18:50
AlanBellhttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/02/23/open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society/18:50
jacobwI think it'd find it strange at first meeting other like minded people, but then it'd be awesome18:50
AlanBellczajkowski: copy away18:51
zleapthere are several sorts of lug meets, social right up to install fests,  talks sessions etc18:52
jacobwWYLUG looks active, but their photo gallery only goes up to 2002 :s18:52
zleapso if starting off best to just find somewhere that can host you and try and get like minded people to join up,   at least the initial topic is usually what distro do you use18:52
jacobwLooks very active in fact18:52
jacobwI imagine that dicussion is faster now than in days gone by18:53
zleapwy = west yorkshire right18:53
jacobwYeah :)18:53
HazRPGI know it sounds bad, but I have a feeling the demographic for the cumbrian lug is a much older group of people...18:53
jacobw'tis the place to be18:53
Davieyzleap, I haven't forgotten your email btw18:53
HazRPGwhich is a real shame18:53
zleapDaviey, no problem18:53
jacobwHazRPG: old people are people too18:53
HazRPGI mean I'm sure there are more linux users in cumbria - they're just hiding :(18:53
Davieyzleap, i'm almost certain i won't be i Devon at release time - i'll probably be in London...18:54
zleapi find in the dclug that the older people and younger members really get on well with each other18:54
czajkowskiAlanBell: thanks18:54
zleapDaviey, ah ok np18:54
HazRPGjacobw: that's why I said it sounds bad (I mean to say it out loud)18:54
jacobwDC?18:54
zleapdevon and cornwall18:54
jacobwHazRPG: i know ;)18:54
HazRPGI mean I have nothing against it, its just a shame that younger people just don't have the same motivations and accomplishments that people use to once have18:55
zleapHazRPG, why is that ?18:55
jacobwHazRPG: yeah, that saddens me to, and influences my life choices in not wanting to be one of 'those' young people18:55
HazRPGjust seems that if its going to take longer than 2 minutes to do anything, they just sort of toss it aside18:55
AlanBellczajkowski: CC-By-SA18:56
MartijnVdSHazRPG: there are exceptions18:56
zleapHazRPG, you will find the odd few willing to put in the effort,  however that could explain why youth unemployment is so high18:56
Davieyzleap, I will strive for the next lug meet.18:56
HazRPGMartijnVdS: true... but you've clearly not been in cumbria before ^^18:56
zleapok cool,18:56
MartijnVdSHazRPG: why would I want to go to Cumbria ;)18:57
HazRPGexactly!18:57
HazRPG:P18:57
jacobwis Kendal in Cumbria?18:57
zleapDaviey, can we get any swag for a ubuntu launch party ?18:57
zleap:D]18:57
HazRPGjacobw: technically it is I think18:57
HazRPGits part of the north-west if that counts...18:57
jacobwCool :) It's a far north west as I've ever been18:57
* jacobw avoids crossing the hills18:57
* AlanBell needs to dispose of some swag18:57
MartijnVdSHazRPG: though it looks like a nice place for a good walk among the mountains18:58
jacobwManchester seems to be a hotbed of open source coolness18:58
HazRPGMartijnVdS: yeah there are some nice places here for walks :) but its about the only thing we have going for it :P18:58
HazRPGjacobw: agreed18:58
zleapAlanBell, whatr sort of stuff u got ?\18:58
* zleap has loads of 10.10 cd's18:58
HazRPGI've travelled down with a few friends before for some open-source goodness, and some MTG before - since we're such a blackhole here18:59
jacobwI live in Leeds, there must be some open source stuff going on here18:59
* brobostigon wonders if he has cooked polanta properly.18:59
MartijnVdSWhy is there a ferry from the Netherlands to _Newcastle_19:00
HazRPGMartijnVdS: why wouldn't there be?19:00
jacobwMartijnVdS: to scare naughty children?19:00
HazRPGMartijnVdS: businesses have to get there good shifted from land-to-land somehow ;)19:00
brobostigontastes ok, feels ok, soi think i have cooked it right, then.19:01
MartijnVdSHazRPG: yes, we have airports, and freight harbours etc.19:01
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I don't see the use of a ferry :)19:01
AlanBellzleap: the official ubuntu book for a start19:01
jacobwThe north east was once an industrial power19:01
AlanBelland some baseball caps19:02
zleapcool19:02
AlanBellI have a plan for the book19:02
HazRPGAlanBell: there's an official ubuntu book :o19:02
* jacobw is interested in the offical ubuntu book19:02
AlanBellthere is19:02
jacobwof what vintage?19:02
AlanBellfifth edition19:02
zleapi have the firtst ed of the ubuntu manual19:03
* HazRPG googles said book19:03
zleapbtwq i assume this will have to be updated for unity19:03
jacobwawesome :) are you willing to post?19:03
brobostigonzleap: iwould agree.19:03
AlanBelljacobw: I have a plan . . .19:04
MartijnVdShttp://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_for_your_computer.jpg19:04
czajkowskiAlanBell: nice write up19:04
jacobwHazRPG: i've just seem your pm from the other day.. i haven't got libnotify set up19:05
zleapAlanBell, how much would it cost to send some baseball caps,?19:05
HazRPGjacobw: remind me what that said again?19:05
HazRPGAlanBell: is this the book? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298487897&sr=8-119:05
AlanBellthat very one19:06
zleapHazRPG, thats more like it , the one i found was for 6.0619:07
MartijnVdSzleap: it's still supported...19:07
HazRPGzleap: heh yeah my results were showing those too - so popped amazon up instead ^^19:07
zleapits available on kindle too :)19:07
HazRPGzleap: still don't own a kindle yet... I will be getting on shortly :)19:07
zleapnor me19:07
brobostigonone*19:08
zleapany idea if its possible to highlight text on a kindle, and save,  like for taking notes etc19:08
MartijnVdSzleap: yes, until Amazon decide you can't have the book anymore19:08
HazRPGzleap: indeed you can :)19:08
zleapah,  so its time limited19:08
jacobwwhat are the odds of them choosing 1984 to demonstrate that weakness with..19:09
MartijnVdSjacobw: 100%! :)19:09
AlanBell!198419:09
lubotu3Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/19:09
jacobwhaha19:09
AlanBellbig brother is watching you19:09
zleaplol19:09
zleaplogs are useful though19:10
zleapok may send for some ubuntu stickers for the launch party19:12
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HazRPGMartijnVdS: seriously amazon can do that?19:18
MartijnVdSHazRPG: if you bought the book through amazon, yes19:18
HazRPGMartijnVdS: is that for repeat downloads, or are the books themselves protected as such19:18
cbx33we talking about kindles?19:18
MartijnVdScbx33: yes19:18
HazRPGaye19:18
HazRPGyes*19:18
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/168654/amazon_removes_ebooks_from_kindle_store_revokes_ownership.html19:19
cbx33heh19:19
Laneyhttp://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2006/01/13/%23ubuntu-uk.html first (logged) lines19:20
Laneyno, lies, there were more before then19:20
zleapwhere do i download the pod casts from ?19:20
MartijnVdSzleap: podcast.ubuntu-uk.org -- follow instructions on there19:20
MartijnVdShm19:21
MartijnVdSthere used to be a page with everything on it there19:21
zleapi get a countdown till the next one,19:21
MartijnVdShttp://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/23/s04e00-season-4-is-coming/ has the subscribe links on the side19:21
shaunoarf, yeah that is a rather unfriendly "landing page"19:21
zleapi am sure i should be able to download em auto matically somehow19:23
MartijnVdSzleap: rhythmbox and banshee are both podcast clients19:23
MartijnVdSzleap: you can add the feed to them19:23
HazRPGMartijnVdS: wow that's a scary thought19:23
zleapok19:23
MartijnVdSHazRPG: hence why I bought a Sony with no 3G/wifi (only USB)19:24
MartijnVdSHazRPG: only I decide what goes on/off :)19:24
jacobwhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html19:24
HazRPGMartijnVdS: heh, there's an app for the kindle to strip the DRM from the books19:25
HazRPGif I recall19:25
MartijnVdScan't calibre do that with the right plugins?19:25
HazRPGMartijnVdS: yeah, it was an app for the desktop - not for the kindle19:26
zleappk fired up rhytmbox, and did a search in podcastrs for ubuntu uk and got nothing19:26
HazRPGmight be calibre - I just don't recall what it was called19:26
HazRPGzleap: no you need to put the feed into rhythmbox19:26
zleaphow19:27
HazRPGclick podcast19:27
zleapok19:27
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zleapdone that19:27
HazRPGright-click on a blank space in the window to the right19:27
HazRPGand pick new feed19:27
HazRPGthen put the url of the podcast you want to subscribe to :)19:27
zleaplike the one above http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/19:28
MartijnVdSor just drag the feed icon into banshee/rhythmbox19:28
HazRPGno, the actual feed19:28
HazRPGor you can do that too :P19:28
HazRPGzleap: what you wanting the downloads to be?19:28
HazRPGogg/mp3?19:29
zleapogg19:29
HazRPGhi-fi or lo-fi?19:29
zleaphi i guess19:29
zleapi just want to see if I can download them19:29
HazRPGzleap: put this url in then: http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high19:30
zleapah ok thanks19:30
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zleaps3 onwards19:30
ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E00  Season 4 is coming! - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/23/s04e00-season-4-is-coming/19:31
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Bell] Open Source with the Home Office and the British Computing Society - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/02/23/open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society19:31
zleapif i download all of em i can listen locally and move around etc19:31
HazRPGzleap: usually the podcast:// or pcast:// urls should open up rhytmbox on websites19:32
HazRPGsometimes its placed on the site as an "itunes" link19:32
zleapok it opened in totem here19:32
MartijnVdSthat's a single episode19:32
HazRPGzleap: what the url above?19:32
zleapbut hopefully it will download in rhymem box19:32
zleaphttp://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high19:32
zleapi can download using rhytmbox19:33
HazRPGyeah :)19:33
zleapthats fine,  so if I come back to it in march then i it will just find then download the new one19:33
HazRPGif you put that url into the feeds, it'll add it to the list19:33
zleapok dumb queston 2 where does it download too,  i assume a directory in ./home/my user19:33
HazRPGpodcasts in rhythmbox auto go to ~/Music19:34
zleapok19:34
HazRPGbut you can change it in preferences19:34
zleapthanks19:34
HazRPGthe podcasts tab19:34
HazRPGand just change the location19:34
zleapits fine i am used to windows, lets hide stuff in a odd location19:34
HazRPGI usually set it to ~/Music/Podcasts19:34
zleapi will move to external drive anyway at some point19:35
HazRPGzleap: best thing about feeds is that they automatically go into their own folder19:35
HazRPGthe feed link I gave you should put them in a folder called "Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » ogg-high"19:35
zleapok the lighthouse (where i am hoping to do a lauch party) is setting up an internet radio station is there an issue with re transmitting the podcasts on there19:35
MartijnVdSzleap: the podcast seems to be CC-BY-SA-licensed19:36
MartijnVdSzleap: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/19:36
zleapso no as long as I credit it properly19:37
MartijnVdSzleap: I'd say you're OK as long as you don't cut out the "This is the Ubuntu UK podcast" bit :)19:37
zleapi am crap at editing stuff anyway so will do it as - is19:37
MartijnVdSzleap: and maybe tell them where/how to subscribe to the podcast when they ask :)19:37
zleapok,19:38
HazRPGyeah, best thing to do is just tell people that your about to play the ubuntu-uk podcast and that they can subscribe to it from podcast.ubuntu-uk.org19:39
zleapah ok,  well hopefully they are getting their website sorted so it can all go on there with a link19:39
HazRPG:)19:39
HazRPGyou can always just make a generic audio file that says the above (or get one of your friends to do it) and then just play that file each time your about to play the podcast :)19:40
zleapgood idea19:40
HazRPGzleap: oh btw, concerning the podcast and rhythmbox - I just noticed that if you only just subscribed to it, it'll only download the most recent file19:41
HazRPGso you might have to highlight them all and click "download episode" if your wanting them all :)19:42
zleapit goes back as far as april 201019:42
HazRPGCTRL+A works for selecting all :)19:42
zleapthats ok i need to keep an eye on what i download ( limit of 10gb) so don't want to do too much, however i may be able to grab quite a lot in what i have left for this month19:43
HazRPGwell each episode is only ~20-30 MB so its not an awfully big amount you'll be using19:43
HazRPGhmm, just a thought - but shouldn't the landing page on the podcast site at least let you click the logo/title so that you can browse the rest of the site?19:44
MartijnVdSHazRPG: it should.  talk to popey :)19:44
zleapI will see what i can do19:45
zleaphaving a link on the page with the countdown would make it easier to do a poster for it19:46
zleapso i can do a poster promoting the uk ubuntu podcast and stick that up19:46
HazRPGjust sent popey a PM, so hopefully it should soon :)19:49
daubersEvening19:49
HazRPGdaubers: hey dude19:49
MartijnVdShttp://www.cafepress.com/+keep_calm_and_dont_blink_doctor_who_poster,40094938219:50
daubersHave to admit I'm looking forward to the new UUPC season19:53
zleapok i have changed it to look for new podcasts weekly19:54
zleapi have created a simple poster with the main url on from above and http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high19:55
Myrtti ho-hum19:56
MartijnVdSMyrtti: evening19:56
zleaphi19:56
MiddleHello?20:00
MartijnVdSHowdy20:01
HazRPGzleap: might be worth putting the MP3 one on too, since some players can't play OGG http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-high20:01
HazRPGI tend to hear podcasts from home, but sometimes I put them on my MP3 player for on-the-go listening20:01
MiddleI am curious about joining hte Ubuntu UK Loco team, i am doing A-Levels at teh moment, and i am looking at university options or employement.  So i was jsut curious as to waht Ubuntu Loco is all about?20:02
HazRPGzleap: you could always just make a short url version of both those to save space on your poster :)20:02
daubersMiddle: Hang around, join the mailing list, get involved. Loco's are many things20:02
daubers!loco20:03
lubotu3Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams20:03
HazRPGzleap: if it helps I've just made them using tinyurl.com for you: http://tinyurl.com/uupc-mp3 & http://tinyurl.com/uupc-ogg20:05
MiddleSo is it just a group of Local Ubuntu Enthusiasts? If so what do you get up to?20:05
HazRPGMiddle: pretty much, although the LoCo is much more than that too though... plus some of the people in here aren't in the UK :P20:06
HazRPGMiddle: mainly people just talk about ubuntu/linux/other stuff, bugs, problems, general stuff they've found out - but not always just about linux though20:07
daubershttp://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ most are though20:07
Middle:0 Imposters! Well it sounds interesting20:08
brobostigonMiddle: we also promote ubuntu and support users of ubuntu.20:08
HazRPGMiddle: just cos they don't live in the UK doesn't mean they're not british ;)20:08
MiddleI joke i joke20:08
HazRPG:P20:08
MiddleSo is there literally local meets IRL for local clubs?20:08
HazRPGthe podcast they do is pretty awesome if you're a linux enthusiast though :)20:09
daubersMiddle: Yep, maybe not so Ubuntu centric though20:09
daubers!lug20:09
lubotu3Lug's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/20:09
MiddleOh wait so is that map a map of members or 'clubs'?20:09
daubers'tis members20:09
dutchiewe also talk about minecraft a bit :)20:10
HazRPGMiddle: that's a map of people who frequent #ubuntu-uk and such20:10
HazRPGdutchie: heh, mainly in #ubuntu-uk-minecraft though :P20:10
dutchieit spills over a fair bit tbf20:10
MiddleAh right ok! Nearest person to me is Oxford =[20:10
MyrttiI couldn't put Finland to it too :-(20:10
HazRPGthis is true20:10
dutchieMiddle: that's me!20:10
brobostigonMiddle: lug.org.uk has a list of linux users groups.20:11
Middledutchi you are closest to me20:11
MadLeomonIs there any reason no matter what the exe is, or where it's from that wine would constantly tell me it's unsafe and refuse to run it20:11
MiddleI am in Milton Keynes20:11
dutchiewhereabouts are you, Middle?20:11
dutchieah20:11
dutchiethat is a fair old way from here20:11
HazRPGMiddle: closest to me is a guy up in Edinburgh technically20:11
brobostigonMiddle: i am up innorth oxfordshire, so ampretty close.20:12
HazRPGMadLeomon: might be because you haven't set the file up to be executable20:12
MiddleYeah, still not too far, Are you studying at Oxford?20:12
brobostigonMiddle: me, no. and oxford isnt north oxfordshire.20:12
HazRPGMadLeomon: right-click the file -> properties -> permissions tab -> tick "allow executing file as program"20:13
brobostigonMiddle: try hitting your tab button for completing nicks.20:13
MadLeomonHazRPG: Seems your first guess was correct, it's been too long since I've used wine20:13
dutchieMiddle: I am, yes20:14
Middlebrobostigon: Thats amazing :0 Does that work in all clients?20:14
HazRPGMadLeomon: same, only been messing around with it again over the last 4 days... so my efforts & knowledge is pretty recent :)20:14
Middledutchie: Nice, what are you studying?20:14
dutchiemaths20:14
brobostigonMiddle: should do, yes. as well as normal terminal aswell.20:14
HazRPGMadLeomon: last time I used Wine, was back in 9.04/9.10 days20:14
brobostigonMiddle: to complete paths, executable names, you name it.20:15
MadLeomonHazRPG: not far off when I last used it20:15
Middlebrobostigon: Thanks that will save lots of time... especially when we get users called 09534tp94htg4owe... XD20:15
HazRPGMiddle: it works in most clients :)20:15
MadLeomonGot a craving for some diablo 220:15
Middledutchie: Clever Maths at AS scared me off...20:15
brobostigonMiddle: try it in a normal terminal aswell, comes invery useful,20:15
seaslugMaths rocks20:15
HazRPGMiddle: I think what brobostigon was trying to say was that the auto-complete also works when your using the terminal to browse folders/files/applications20:16
brobostigonthanks HazRPG :)20:16
HazRPGMiddle: give it a try, its awesome :)20:16
dutchiemaths is even more awesome :)20:17
MiddleYeah awesome! Thats what i love about nix is there is always something to learn. Lke i am an 'expert' in one feild, but know so little about others....20:17
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dutchie(not biased or anything)20:17
MadLeomonI wonder if there's a good replacement for wine-doors floating about20:17
HazRPGMiddle: e.g. cd /ho (press tab) Desk (press tab then hit enter), it'll take you to the Desktop folder20:17
pr0ph3tanyone else having touchpad and mouse issues after update?20:17
brobostigonpr0ph3t: which update?20:17
MiddleHazRPG i just tried that XD20:18
HazRPGMiddle: hehe :P20:18
brobostigonpr0ph3t: and which package?20:18
Middledutchie: I am looking at doing network security at Uni, or finding a good work placement im in my second year of A-levels so far...20:18
HazRPGMadLeomon: hmm, for download fonts and such likes?20:19
HazRPGdownloading*20:19
dutchiewhich a levels are you doing?20:19
* brobostigon does has trouble phrasing things in the right way, sometimes, :(20:19
pr0ph3tbrobostigon, not sure, it was a partial update20:19
HazRPGbrobostigon: I do too, so I wouldn't worry about it20:19
brobostigonpr0ph3t: in which case, i cant say, if idont know what was updated.20:20
* brobostigon hugs HazRPG :)20:20
HazRPGhurray!20:20
* HazRPG hugs brobostigon20:20
* HazRPG offers up free hugs to all20:20
brobostigongroup hug, yay :)20:20
* brobostigon joins in.20:21
HazRPG:)20:21
MadLeomonHazRPG: Just the general ease of that kind of thing, so yeah pretty much20:21
Middledutchie: Computing, Physics and Business + Economics, but i would only really like to do Computing...20:22
* dutchie food20:24
HazRPGMadLeomon: it doesn't have a pretty interface - but if your not scared of a bit of CLI then head over to: http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks20:24
* HazRPG high-fives Middle20:25
MadLeomonHazRPG: CLI is only scary when you don't have a chat room full of people who you can pester for advice :p20:25
HazRPGMadLeomon: :P20:25
jacobw--help20:26
HazRPGMadLeomon: winetricks is pretty self explanatory though20:26
HazRPGyeah as jacobw said, type in winetricks --help into terminal and it'll show you all the stuff it can assist you with20:26
HazRPGjacobw: don't forget about man pages ;)20:27
MadLeomonHazRPG: I still have nightmares from an old DOS computer my mum had, can you picture the damage an 8 year old can do in command line20:27
HazRPGman pages have saved my skin a few times this week :)20:27
HazRPGMadLeomon: yeah, but that's because anyone could mess around in DOS though :P there were no permissions setup :P20:28
MadLeomonadmittedly the computer was serveral OSes and about the better part of half a decade out of date20:29
MiddleCLI > GUI any day... I tried a program with a GUI and got scared and exited it, then mastered it in < 2 minutes on th3 CLI....20:29
Middleafk20:29
* daubers should do more stuff in c/c++20:52
daubersArgh! Just realised I've been using Unity all day today and it's not got in the way of my work20:53
* daubers is pleasantly surprised20:54
HazRPGdaubers: agrees with the doing of more stuff in c/c++20:55
HazRPGpersonally I find unity a nuisance of my screen real-estate... since I've got the old-screen squared off screens still20:57
HazRPGold-school*20:57
HazRPGif I had widescreen monitors I don't think I'd mind so much20:58
daubersHazRPG: Unity in natty? Would't have thought it would be an issue with the way the dock is scared of windows20:58
HazRPGhow'd ya mean?20:59
daubersIf I maximize the windows, the dock runs off the left of the screen and hides21:01
daubersPoor little thing is terrified of windows21:01
* daubers may have personified the dock too much recently21:01
HazRPGah21:02
HazRPGhmm, didn't think it could do that21:02
* HazRPG feels he's missing a trick somehow21:02
daubersOnly does it in Natty, not in Maverick21:02
HazRPGMadLeomon: how's winetricks working out for ya btw?21:02
HazRPGdaubers: ah, that'll be why then :P21:03
MadLeomonHazRPG: got the stuff i wanted from it, so fine.21:03
HazRPGMadLeomon: good stuff :)21:03
HazRPGwas just checkin in to make sure ya got it working fine :)21:03
pr0ph3tbloomin touchpad21:07
pr0ph3tright and left clicks work but the pointer doesn't move21:07
pr0ph3tI looke in /var/log/X.0.log but nothing seems to stand out (i.e. ERROR and alike)21:08
zleapback21:08
pr0ph3tlooked*21:08
ben__Hey21:34
zleaphey21:34
ben__anyone there?21:34
zleapi am here21:35
ben__what up?21:35
zleapjust listening to the ubuntu podcast21:36
ben__same only my music is from my xbox lol21:36
zleapah21:36
* HazRPG just found out that his collection of harry potter books (all if not most of which are 1st ed.) are worth a fair bit and can only find 2 of them >_<21:39
zleapouch21:40
HazRPGyour telling me!21:40
HazRPGon sotheby's auction, they've been going for anywhere between 1k to 20k for them21:41
zleapnice21:41
HazRPGthe 20k one is for the first 4 books21:41
zleapyou could buy a lot of ubuntu cd's for that,  or a really nice computer21:41
HazRPGI've got all 7 as first ed's (as far as I remember, I know the last 3 are definitely - cos I had them preordered when sales for preorders came out)21:42
HazRPGzleap: I know!21:42
zleapyay21:42
zleapyou need to have a good root round for em eh21:42
zleapof course they are only worth that much if in very good condition21:42
HazRPGI've got 2 houses to search through though >_<21:43
zleapah21:43
HazRPGI stay at my mum's house (but she's retired to egypt) and I've gotta look through @ my dad's (who still works out in saudi)21:43
HazRPGyeah, they're in pretty good condition21:44
HazRPGwell at least they /were/ in pretty good condition21:44
HazRPGthe last 3 that I've found here still look brand new (and so they should, I still never got round to reading them xD)21:44
zleapohh21:45
zleapso mega bucks then :)21:45
HazRPGhopefully :P21:45
zleapi am waiting for harry potter part 1 to come out on dvd21:45
HazRPGbut I doubt the last 3 would sell for much without the other 421:45
zleapas in deathly hallows part 121:45
HazRPGyeah I guessed :P21:46
zleapyou dont want like to split them if you can help it21:46
HazRPGits not that, the first book only so many of them were made because it wasn't as popular back then21:46
zleapah21:46
HazRPGso the collection is pretty worthless without it21:46
ben__Have you ever used fedora ?21:47
HazRPGfirst book alone is worth 3k21:47
zleapi used to use red hat21:47
HazRPG2nd book is only worth £40021:47
zleapbefore it split and they created fedora,21:47
HazRPGetc21:47
zleapah21:47
zleapi guess wait a few years when you find em and they should go up in value21:47
HazRPGheh, yeah I use to use red hat too21:48
zleapand used suse, got fed up with things breaking21:48
HazRPGzleap: totally :P21:48
zleapi have 3.0.3 here somewhere, plus rhl 621:48
zleapi think i stoped at 621:48
zleapthenmoved to suse, liked the auto video playback upgraded and it broke so ended up on debian based distro and more recently ubuntu21:50
zleapso yeah back then it was more dual boot for linux really21:50
zleaphi rattleStuff21:50
rattleStuff_allo21:50
zleapohh mega netsplit21:53
HazRPGwow, so our server lost connection with all the others!21:55
zleapit happens occasionally21:55
HazRPGyeah so I'm noticing21:55
shaunoless occasionally lately, it seems21:56
* HazRPG wonders if the official ubuntu server book is worth a buy21:56
HazRPGI never saw disconnects like this back in the dial-up days21:57
HazRPGI use to be logged into quakenet for several hours at a time once21:58
HazRPGfunny to see how much quakenet has changed over the years though21:58
dwatkinsYou mean IRC servers with netsplits, HazRPG? I think that might be intentional sometimes, not sure how often, though.21:58
HazRPGdwatkins: yeah21:59
dwatkinsI set my client to ignore netsplits, and use tab-complete to make sure the person I'm speaking to is still on the channel.21:59
dwatkinsI also have joins and quits on ignore to reduce the noise level.21:59
shaunoI haven't read the server book yet.  it's on my shelf tho, for when I get really bored22:00
HazRPGI mainly use my o'reilly quick-reference books for most stuff22:01
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brobostigonhttp://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices   there, they have killed of the htc dream, so sad, :(22:01
zleapI got one of those for LaTeX only its in german, lol22:02
zleapi can sort of understand it22:02
HazRPGI have a linux one, but I recently lent it out to someone who's doing networking and they're setting up servers for one of their classes22:02
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dwatkinsbrobostigon: killed the phone or killed the dream of HTC?22:03
brobostigondwatkins: cyanogenmod making modern android versions for it.22:04
dwatkinsbrobostigon: I See; I notice the Ace aka Desire HD isn't on the list.22:05
brobostigondwatkins: i didnt notice, no, sorry,22:05
dwatkinsbrobostigon: no worries, I was just pointing out my phone appears to unfortunately not be supported, which is a shame as I'd quite like Cyanogenmod on it having seen it on a Nexus One22:06
brobostigondwatkins: i see. ok.22:07
zleapthis looks cool http://www.vimeo.com/1906459722:09
HazRPGdwatkins: if I recall, cyanogenmod are supporting the Desire HD in cm722:09
HazRPGwow mIRC is still on the go!22:09
zleapyeah i remember mirc 15 years ago :)22:10
HazRPGsame22:10
HazRPGI was first introduced to it by an internet café22:11
HazRPGI went in, because our home line was dead... and noticed the icon on the desktop22:11
zleapsame here22:11
HazRPGI even used MS-Chat back then too - which was basically an irc client too :P22:11
zleapwell internet cafe before i got the net at home22:11
dwatkinsHazRPG: hooray22:11
zleapyeah remember that too, i guess that was the for runner to msn22:11
HazRPGzleap: yeah I think so too22:12
zleapi remember hotmail beofre MS took it over22:12
zleapbefore22:12
HazRPGheh same22:12
zleap:)22:12
brobostigonwhen hotmailwas ran of bsd servers.22:12
zleapback in the win95 days22:12
HazRPGwith a rather silly logo, and simple interface :P22:12
zleapyeah22:13
brobostigonoff*22:13
zleapwell it was simple back then eh22:13
HazRPGbrobostigon: I didn't know that22:13
brobostigonHazRPG: i understand it was freebsd tobe specific,22:13
HazRPGzleap: back then, I did my own crawling through the internet - I didn't know about search engines at the time22:13
zleapi got books on all that here,  covers stuff like spider etc22:14
HazRPGI had a web crawler that I had to feed links to, to make up a database of my own to find stuff22:14
zleapalso givers prices for ISP's back in 1995 that was expensive22:14
zleapnice22:14
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HazRPGzleap: took time to find a site, I must tell you - specially on dialup!22:15
zleapif you use gentoo,  not much has changed eh,  you need to build os before you can use it22:15
HazRPGheh yeah22:15
* zleap hides from any gentoo users in the channel 22:15
zleapthing is with te build it your self method you learn a heck of a lot in doing so22:16
zleapwhich is why i want to have a go at Linux from scratch atr some point22:16
HazRPGsame22:17
zleaplol22:18
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Azelphur_is it just me or can you not join +r channels now like ##hardware22:26
zleapthink so22:26
Azelphur_oh no, everyone is ghosting.22:26
Azelphur_hehe, freenodes having some hiccups right now :P22:26
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zleapi remember that coming up on #dfey ##chans are not official channels or something can't remember exactly it was last year22:27
shaunoI ain't afraid of no ghosts22:27
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brobostigonlol22:27
* brobostigon waves to make sure h is still here.22:28
brobostigonhe*22:28
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* dwatkins waves back at brobostigon 22:29
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* brobostigon waves at dwatkins 22:29
shaunowell, nap time for me.  have fun with the servers  (or lack of)22:30
brobostigonnight shauno22:30
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brobostigonquadraphenia, itv4, 11pm. :)22:36
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HazRPGerrr... why am I suddenly get a back log of text before being booted22:39
Azelphurfreenode is having breakage22:39
AlanBellHazRPG: I think they just nailed freenode back together22:39
HazRPG:P22:40
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HazRPGshauno: just got myself a VPS :)22:54
HazRPGshauno: £15 a year22:54
brobostigonthats cheap.22:54
HazRPGyeah :)22:55
HazRPGusing this link: http://stats.buysellads.com/click.go?z=1241503&b=548314&g=&s=&sw=2560&sh=1024&br=chrome,9,linux&r=0.5762228921521455&link=http://www.allsimple.net/lowendbox22:55
HazRPGor rather22:55
HazRPGwww.allsimple.net/lowendbox22:55
HazRPG(lowendbox is the referral code I think)22:55
brobostigonok,noted, will look at tmrw.22:56
HazRPGloads of others @ http://www.lowendbox.com/22:57
HazRPGits just a website a guy started originally as a blog to list cheap VPS sites :)22:57
HazRPGnow he gets e-mails and offers to post up on his site :)22:57
HazRPGits pretty good22:57
brobostigon:)22:59
HazRPGwow, they gave me a long username >_<23:11
HazRPGI'll never remember that!23:11
HazRPGthink it would be possible to change the username?23:19
HazRPGor at least make one I'll remember :/23:19
brobostigonnos da everyone.23:29
HazRPGhaving trouble signing in23:29
HazRPGto my vps23:29
HazRPG:(23:29
HazRPGbrobostigon: oh... catch ya later (sleep well)23:29
brobostigonHazRPG: good night,23:30
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popey_19:44:47 < HazRPG> hmm, just a thought - but shouldn't the landing page on the podcast site at least let you click the logo/title so that you can browse the rest of the site?23:42
popey_19:44:57 < MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it should.  talk to popey :)23:42
popey_no, we're redisigning ths site :)23:42
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HazRPGah23:42
HazRPGyou're an intelligent individual :)23:43
HazRPGis it possible to change my login details on the VPS I just got?23:44
popeyheh, no clue23:44
HazRPG:(23:45
* HazRPG doesn't like the prospect of being logged in as root23:47
* HazRPG looks into creating users23:48
HazRPGits an ubuntu server23:48
dwatkinsI imagine you would be well advised to start by creating a user, giving it sudo permission, making the root password really really strong, and maybe even disabling root logins and installing denyhosts for starters, HazRPG23:53
HazRPGdwatkins: hit the hammer on the nail with that one, that's exactly what I plan to do23:54
dwatkinsHazRPG: then secure the system properly ;)23:55
pr0ph3thi all23:55
pr0ph3tsomebody mentioned earlier on that they used RDP to connect remotely to their ubuntu? Is that a good replacement or win/mac splashtop?23:56
pr0ph3tsplashtop remote desktop that is23:56
HazRPGhmm, I mentioned at one point that I use RDP for my windows box23:57
pr0ph3tto control the ubuntu desktop remotely with audio23:57
HazRPGvnc would be what I use for ubuntu23:57
pr0ph3tdo you get audio with that as well?23:57
HazRPGif I recall, yeah23:57
HazRPGdepends on which client/server variant you use23:58
HazRPGvnc is essentially a protocol type23:58
HazRPGthere's many different ones23:58
HazRPGultraVNC comes to mind23:58
pr0ph3tserver side?23:59

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