[00:15] popey [00:15] I'm having trouble [00:16] do I need to do any configuration [00:16] when I /etc/init.d/gdm start, it goes to a black screen - and takes out the keyboard and mouse with it (though ssh connection still open to kill X) and get back to terminal [00:16] also, only have 1 tty [00:17] I'm in rescue mode, so that could be it [00:24] dont be in rescue mode [00:24] andylockran: did you install the package I said? [00:24] also remove your xorg.conf [00:25] bed [00:25] \o/ bed === emma is now known as em [06:04] aloha [07:59] hello all [08:14] hi MooDoo [08:14] Morning earthlings. [08:15] :) [08:18] greetings! [08:19] wow, this is awesome: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm [08:23] is it? [08:27] wow that's a lot of disconnects in one go! [08:27] yes it's just a split and happens, nothing to really worry about [08:27] HazRPG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [08:28] a server s... k thanks :) [08:38] heh [08:39] wheeee [08:40] freenode is having a bit of a rollercoaster start to the day [08:40] yeah fun [08:41] indeed === jamie_ is now known as iclebyte-work [08:49] Not as much as Gaddaffi is. [08:51] Looks like he's on just the downward slope though, its even worse for the people in the country [08:51] yeah. [08:57] http://blog.fedecarg.com/2011/02/22/command-line-package-management-with-apt-2/ [08:58] That is all. [08:58] pffft [08:58] thats been doing the twitter rounds for weeks [09:09] Whats the bgest client for IRC Unbuntu 10.10 [09:09] please [09:09] !best [09:09] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [09:10] oki sorry was just starting out [09:10] i use x-chat or irssi personally :) [09:10] irssi being a command line client [09:10] thanx MooDoo [09:10] Xchat is probably best known [09:10] hmm, for some reason my bluetooth device won't hold a connection for longer than 5 minutes [09:10] And widely used I'd guess [09:10] thanx diplo [09:10] bobcoder_: Same recommendation here, xchat if you want a gui, irssi if you're happy with command line [09:10] chatzilla [09:11] could possibly be my stereo headset that could be the problem [09:11] HELO canonical.com [09:11] EHLO! [09:11] :) [09:11] morning mortals! [09:13] * danfish was stuck on hold to a well known bank this morning and now has "the girl from ipanema" musak on a loop in his brain [09:13] * danfish applies a soft reset [09:14] * BigRedS complains at improperly packaged things [09:14] I've noticed no one ever recommends pidgin [09:14] I never have a problem with it [09:14] i know i've tried it :-( [09:14] I don't think people tend to recommend against it... [09:15] HazRPG: I use that for chat/msn etc but not for IRC [09:15] It's just that empathy's built in and does a fair sized proportion of what pidgin does [09:15] ahhh, as an irc client! I've never tried it [09:15] I've had loads of issues with empathy losing conversations [09:15] I wouldn't recommend empathy for irc tbh [09:16] some functionality is missing [09:16] personally I feel empathy is still a way of being properly usable [09:16] I tried empathy for chat, but I ended up reverting to pidgin because of a won't fix bug/feature [09:17] DJones: what's that? [09:17] I keep going between them. Pidgin does set-to-away-when-idle and empathy is aware of the notion of priority in XMPP [09:17] HazRPG: With new conversations, does it bring up a window yet, when it was introduced, new conversations would show in the norification area, but if you missed it, you wouldn't know that it'd started unless you were looking at the main empathy window [09:18] DJones: Nope [09:18] That, too, is daft and annoying. It seems to do the old gnome thing of setting a stupid default and not letting you unset it [09:18] didn't realise i'd started such a debate :-) [09:18] :) [09:18] BigRedS: Thats why I still use Pidgin, I'd rather have a new window open so I can see at a glance [09:18] xchat is cool! nice and simple. Thanx everyone [09:19] DJones: not sure, I stopped using empathy for the same reason [09:19] DJones: yeah, I'm getting used to it. The XMPP priority thing is almost invaluable, though [09:19] Hi [09:19] especially in the absence of away-when-idle [09:19] DJones: you can still see at a glance, you just need to glance in a different, vastly smaller, place. One that you don't tend to look at generally... :) [09:20] I've always thought the notifications in gnome just doesn't seem right to be honest... [09:20] BigRedS: I've got no problems with it being a won't fix, I understand the reasons for it, if it suits the developer thats fine, its their choice [09:20] number of times I've seen something tell me /something isn't right, you need to type in this command/ and it disappears before I get chance to type it [09:21] mainly dropbox [09:22] MooDoo: \o [09:22] HazRPG: just chaging irc client. [09:22] me too [09:22] MooDoo: ah [09:23] HazRPG: moved back to my command line irc client, so i don't need to use my windows box any more [09:23] heh [09:26] morning :) [09:26] morning [09:27] morning [09:27] howdy [09:28] any xplane types here? [09:29] bobcoder: What is xplane, the name rings a bell, but can't place what it is [09:29] I'm trying to dev a plugin for it. Its a flight sim [09:34] bobcoder: Can't say its something I've played, but just googled and found an unofficial irc channel on freenode #xplane-chat and possibly #xplane [09:35] Maybe the channels are dead, but there might be somebody in there [09:35] thanx Djones. i'll go look. [09:36] bobcoder: Also found this with an irc.x-plane.org with a channel #x-plane http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=12273 [09:36] morning all [09:36] hiya folks [09:36] Hi davmor2 dwatkins [09:37] sweet no one there but we'll see :-) [09:38] bobcoder: Sounds like that one on irc.x-plane.org might be a busier channel [09:38] * davmor2 slap czajkowski a high five and wonders if she is thinking more about her holiday than work [09:38] Yeah it is, thanx again Djones [09:39] bobcoder: You're welcome [09:42] got FUP throttled (to 256k till end of month) by ISP last night, phoned up to request MAC, throttle removed :) [09:43] What did you do to get throttled [09:44] DJones: probably too much iplayer HD [09:44] heh [09:44] screen-x which isp? [09:44] eclipse [09:44] Morning [09:44] only 5 days left [09:44] :P [09:45] mungojerry: till? [09:45] still, that was going to be a right pain. [09:45] moodoo, screen-x got throttled till end of month. [09:45] ah [09:45] My ADSL line only does ~1.5mb, I thought that would make it quite hard to go over usage ;-) [09:47] screen-x have you checked to see if you have any "friends" leeching your wifi? [09:48] Or any friends willing to share theirs. [09:48] haha [09:48] thats more likely, most of them are on the same channel in default config [09:48] You can share mine :-0 [09:48] davmor2: I will kill you [09:48] * MooDoo is disgusted that there isn't any open wifi's around his house....pah! ;) [09:49] czajkowski: that's a but strong [09:49] s/but/bit [09:49] czajkowski: Why I slapped you a high 5 nice and wondered if you were think about you're holiday [09:49] strreplace('but','bit'); hehe [09:49] * DJones wonders if death threats are against the !coc or whether in this case in might be justified :) [09:50] DJones: hush you [09:50] it doesnt count when it's me and davmor2 and possibly MooDoo [09:50] * DJones hushes [09:50] czajkowski: oi zip it ;) [09:50] czajkowski, how's your knowledge of other IT consulting companies? my employer is in bed with a particular consulting company and i am fearing the worst for our current open source infrastructure [09:50] davmor2: because of flipping trains [09:50] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders how the OSSG event was last night? [09:50] DJones: it's like white noise when it's us [09:50] mungojerry: ye should come talk to us so [09:50] :) [09:50] * mungojerry wishes they used sirius consulting instead :( [09:50] TheOpenSourcerer: quite good actually [09:50] AlanBell: do a write up please [09:51] czajkowski: yeah, working on one [09:51] :D [09:51] there will be an audio recording of it I think [09:51] Aloha bw to all the nicer folks in Ubuntu-uk [09:51] czajkowski: can't blame me for the trains the ones I use are always on schedule :P [09:51] * AlanBell wonders if he is in that set [09:51] Morning czajkowski [09:51] czajkowski: we're all nice, even me an davmor2 [09:51] MooDoo: you and davmor2 are special [09:51] "special" [09:52] czajkowski: we love you too :) [09:52] hah - so many meanings to 'special' [09:52] danfish: shhh dont let one [09:52] that's why czajkowski used it [09:52] danfish: you've been in the channel long enough, you work it out ;) [09:53] czajkowski: they're quicker then I thought :P [09:53] :) [09:53] * czajkowski would like to strangle some teachers today [09:53] high five davmor2 and a prod to czajkowski [09:53] * czajkowski rolls up her sleeves and digs into mail [09:55] MooDoo: ^5 [09:56] * davmor2 annoyingly causes czajkowski sleeves to roll back down [09:57] TheOpenSourcerer, Hi fella [09:57] * czajkowski hugs selinuxium [09:57] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 and sends davmor2 and MooDoo to the naughty step [09:57] wotcha selinuxium. Did AlanBell meet you yesterday? [09:57] * selinuxium hugs right back at ya czajkowski [09:57] popey: you around? [09:58] TheOpenSourcerer, He called me at 17:00 I had already left for the day. [09:58] Part timer. [09:58] TheOpenSourcerer, :P [09:58] czajkowski: you can't send me to the naughty step I never got off it :P [09:58] TheOpenSourcerer, Markets are open from 8 to 16:30 [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer, not often I actually get to leave on time.. [10:03] dogmatic69: ya [10:03] the vid you tweeted last night... my 10.10 also sticks windows between the workspace [10:04] apparently this is normal [10:05] czajkowski: oi you're not my mum, /me goes and sits on the naughty step [10:07] MooDoo: you brought your cushion this time I can't put up with another day of you whining how cold the step is :D [10:08] davmor2: i'm going to sneak out behind the bike shed and have a fag, she won't know.... [10:11] MooDoo: so classy! [10:11] czajkowski: i don't smoke really :) [10:16] morning everyone [10:18] sigh, I can never remember.. where does pbuilder dump the final package? [10:18] morning brobostigon [10:18] mornning davmor2 [10:20] brobostigon: morning [10:20] I think I've been spoilt by green & blacks, but the chocolate on kitkats is way to sugary. [10:21] MooDoo: good morning, [10:22] anyone here use aptana in ubuntu? [10:24] HazRPG: Haven't used it, but looks interesting [10:25] main reason I started using it in windows was because I wanted to fully switch over to ubuntu, shame aptana isn't in the repo, or have their own ppa [10:25] HazRPG: is it an eclipse plugin? [10:26] screen-x: it can be used as an eclipse plugin yeah [10:26] they have their own IDE that's based off eclipse too though [10:26] can you install it through the eclipse update thing? [10:27] morning HazRPG :) [10:27] I'm not sure lol [10:27] brobostigon: morning :) [10:27] screen-x: never tried it as an eclipse plugin === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [10:32] never tried eclipse for that matter [10:33] Netbeans? [10:33] although, technically I have since I think aptana's IDE is pretty much customised version [10:33] bobcoder: yeah I've used netbeans before for java coding [10:33] i use it soley for php now [10:33] really? [10:34] is it any good for php? [10:34] Same here, as does my colleague [10:34] * screen-x used netbeans to create some awful GUIs at uni [10:34] yeah [10:34] yeah got datbase views and you can jump to function declarations etc [10:34] so on one project,,, its all there [10:34] nice [10:34] My fave part is the projects side of things, can't find anything else to compete [10:34] links in to phpdocumentor as well :-0 [10:34] yay, working gnome-shell from git, :) [10:34] brobostigon: grats :D [10:35] howdy [10:35] HazRPG: its working really well too. [10:35] brobostigon: what's it like :)? [10:35] andylockran: hey dude [10:36] HazRPG: let me try and make screen shots, [10:36] brobostigon: that would be awesome :) [10:37] how's things HazRPG ? [10:37] andylockran: not bad, yourself ? [10:38] hmm... ubuntu doesn't really have desktop widgets does it? [10:38] ok, how do i make screenshots, please. [10:38] brobostigon: press the print screen button? [10:38] HazRPG: KDE sort-of does [10:38] not a huge fan of KDE [10:38] MooDoo: and that sticks theminto my /home ? [10:39] I prefer my gnome panels and fonts it uses [10:39] brobostigon: think it gives you the option of where to save them, try it :) [10:39] brobostigon: ~/Desktop [10:39] MooDoo: ok,cheers. :) [10:39] BigRedS: :) [10:40] my dislike for KDE is pretty much because of aesthetics though [10:40] brobostigon, Shutter is a good screen shot app [10:40] diplo: thnk you. [10:41] brobostigon: not sure about gnome-shell - but pressing print screen shows up a dialogue to ask where to save it [10:41] HazRPG: it did exacttly as expected, :) [10:41] brobostigon: i have my uses :) [10:43] HazRPG: http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecU/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecW/ [10:43] MooDoo: :) [10:44] its running smooth as a babies bottom, [10:44] hmm, looks interesting [10:44] it is, [10:45] brobostigon: sigh....babies.....pooey nappies and late night and easrly mornings...... [10:45] and i like being able to message via empathy from the status bar. [10:45] MooDoo: well, maybe not them. [10:45] then* [10:47] is there a way to get the old location bar on nautilus [10:47] other than CTRL+L [10:48] it's buried in gconf somewhere [10:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreNautilusLocationBar [10:48] HazRPG: ^ [10:48] BigRedS: thanks :) [10:49] ctrl + l maybe [10:50] brobostigon, what were those ubuntuone links you shared up there ^^ [10:51] mungojerry: gnome-shell screen shots, [10:51] does anyone know how i can dowload a youtube video? [10:51] were they shared from your u1 account? [10:51] mungojerry: yes. [10:51] * mungojerry worries [10:51] mungojerry: why? [10:52] 3 characters isn't enough for security - try entering pseudo-random digits [10:52] i just did it and got a CV, a photo of somebody .. [10:52] thats how the ubuntu-one nautilus plugin spat the urls out like, [10:53] hmm I just found byobu hidden in the applications menu [10:54] brobostigon, howeer i can download all sorts of stuff try exhaustively trying combinations of 3 characters [10:54] mungojerry: yes, [10:55] mungojerry: may i suggest,it needs to be brought up with the ubuntuone guys. [10:55] how does byobu do exactly? [10:55] I love it [10:55] dogmatic69: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=547848 [10:56] HazRPG: screen \o/ [10:56] HazRPG: did you see in my terminal screenshot thatthing atthe bottom ofmy terminal, thats part of byobu. [10:56] brobostigon: yeah I noticed the "byobu" at the top too [10:56] http://ubuntuone.com/p/deU/ [10:56] currently have it open [10:57] is it just a regular shell but sort of tabbed? [10:58] HazRPG: effectively [10:58] yeah [10:58] HazRPG: yep, and detachable :) [10:58] tabbed, with a dashboard :) [10:58] * HazRPG consults man byobu [10:58] it's basically screen witha profile [10:58] and you can 'minimise' it too [10:58] cool [10:58] BigRedS: wut? [10:58] :) [10:58] Ctrl-A, D [10:59] screen-x: going for analogies with windowed apps [10:59] ok ;-) [11:00] Also you can attach to the same session from multiple xterms or multiple machines, flipping fabulous. [11:01] from multiple machines is fantastic. this is my primary use of screen :) [11:02] MooDoo: nice one, thanks [11:02] whoo cookies ! [11:02] "Chrome 11 or Chrome 12 are set to receive an Omnibox extension that will allow users to launch web apps directly from the URL bar." What do you normally do with a url bar? [11:03] Someone say cookies [11:03] cookies [11:03] biscuits ;-) [11:03] dogmatic69: you're welcome [11:04] ooo why didn't I know about gconf sooner! [11:04] "launch web apps directly from the url bar". so thats different than going to the website that has the web app with the url bar? [11:04] i'm confused [11:04] its like an ubuntu regedit! :D [11:04] HazRPG, oh no, and just as we are getting rid of gconf! [11:05] gord: as am I. [11:05] gord: we are? [11:05] :( [11:05] yup, gnome depreciated it for gnome 3 [11:06] gsettings now with dconf backend [11:06] lol but isn't it the same thing essentially :P? [11:06] no, but it is similiar [11:13] idont think i should set it as default yet, to go to gnome-shell on boot, as i am sure it isnt fully stable yet. and as it is from gnome git, could break easily. [11:27] man I love chuck! [11:27] awesome show :) [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/ArePublishedFilesPrivate Are published files private? No. Published files are meant to be public files that you can easily share with anyone through a simple URL. [11:29] * mungojerry plays another round of ubuntuone bingo :P [11:30] mungojerry: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ [11:30] http://ubuntuone.com/p/aaU/ ewwww [11:31] mungojerry: see what you mean, just pick a url and download random stuff! [11:31] yeah [11:32] more like roulette than bingo i guess [11:32] python's string operators are hurting my head. think this is why I keep running home to php :/ [11:33] every time I have to write php i hit php.net for basically every function call [11:33] it could really do with some consistency... [11:33] * BigRedS pimps Perl a bit. well, *someone* has to [11:36] * iclebyte-work would like an object orientated scripting language like python which uses real syntax like java. [11:36] I just like languages that document everything. with examples. [11:37] the php manual is really good [11:37] it's just a shame it's also really neccesary [11:37] * iclebyte-work agrees with BigRed [11:37] * iclebyte-work hates javadoc [11:37] perldoc is quite good [11:37] though for me, ipython is just the dogs balls. [11:37] yeah, it's generally got the answers I want. That and perlmonks [11:39] mungojerry: Published files are, by definition, public. They're not meant to be secure. If they're not suitable for viewing by the entire internet, they shouldn't be published. [11:40] That's what we created shares for. :) [11:40] Wait, is the issue that it's too easy to guess the url to other public files? I thought they were private files... [11:40] where thought -~ "had assumed" [11:40] jamestait, however not all users may realise quite how public they are. i believe dropbox has a long url , probably with a checksum so that least it offers at least a big more security [11:41] it seems gnome-shell will only except my google calendar as input via evolution, ohwell. [11:43] mind you, evolution is gnome default though, [11:43] mungojerry: Short of popping up a dialogue box or something saying "You are publishing a file. This means it is public. Anyone on the internet can view it. Are you sure?", which we'd get equally slated for, I'm not sure how we could make it clearer. [11:43] brobostigon: the gnome2ish one also uses evolution [11:44] if you mean the one in the panel [11:44] BigRedS: yes,i hate the config dialogs, as they dont scale properly onmy eeepc's screen. [11:45] heh, that's been a bug for as long as I remember. the general answer is "don't be silly, no-one uses that resolution anymore" [11:46] balls. [11:46] even tho I'd be willing to bet there's more people using 6-800px high now, then there was when it was first raised [11:46] agreed.yes. [11:46] support for eee pc 701 seems to have disappeared nowadays :( [11:47] mungojerry: i dont see why,debian sid shouldnt work, wifi support should be there,with OSS drivers, so shouldnt be a problem, especially with a recent kernel. [11:48] should* [11:48] why not* [11:48] there needs to be a cutoff point on resolutions [11:49] brobostigon, which model eee do you have? [11:49] mungojerry: a 900 ssd. [11:49] directhex: very true, you cant possibly accomodate for every possible resolution, thats impossible. [11:50] directhex: probably, but shipping an email client with the netbook distro that won't fit it's dialogs on netbook-sized screens seems silly to me [11:50] shauno, one very quickly deprecated model of netbook [11:50] shauno, anything that doesn't fit on a 9xx is a bug, btw [11:51] i try never ever to be an early adopter, but when the eee 701 came out, i really needed it for some conferences i was attending. [11:52] still use it at work occasionally too though, but my android has displaced it [11:52] mungojerry: android x86 should run fine on your eeepc,btw, :) [11:53] brobostigon: i tried it a while back, but no wifi, maybe they have come on since then [11:53] mungojerry: they have, the most recent i tried, based on android 2.2, wifi worked fine here. [11:54] cool - gonna try that [11:54] what are you running on it now? [11:54] theo [11:54] i don't really get the attraction to android :/ [11:55] mungojerry: no,i am not. i am on ubuntu 10.10 [11:55] * mungojerry would like to attach a touch screen in his eee pc [11:56] I tried that a few years ago, but gave up because my vendor seemed incapable of shipping touchscreens in one piece [11:57] there are some thinner touchscreens but probably more ££ [11:57] some are even solderless [11:57] lost track of how much I cost them shipping shattered screens to & from china because they refused to learn that two sheets of cardboard weren't sufficient rigidity [11:58] directhex: I've noted that it's mostly WebOS users who are unimpressed by android... [11:58] :) [11:58] BigRedS, there's a reason for that [11:58] yeah, I want a proper go on webOS [11:58] +1 [11:59] qnx on the RIM playbook is going to be inteesring, i was always impressed with qnx. [11:59] BigRedS, had a play with the emulator in the sdk? [11:59] brobostigon, yeah... RTOS on a mobile device though is..... bad [11:59] directhex: good point, [11:59] directhex: nah, just a faff with a couple of real-life phones [12:00] brobostigon, and the playbook ui is a 101% rip-off of webos [12:00] even windows phone 7's new multitasking in the mango update is a clone of how webos does it [12:00] ... i sound like a beos user, don't i [12:00] directhex: i would partly, tend to agree,i havent tried either though yet. [12:01] directhex: you start to sound like me, i am a BeOS/haiku-os user. [12:02] sorry. [12:02] oh wow! [12:03] haha, I just made my time show in swatch .beats xD [12:03] * HazRPG really wished that .beats would have took off more than it did [12:04] HazRPG: try it in raw unixtime, and then doing the mathematics everytime you want to know what it means. [12:04] brobostigon: haha I'd rather not :P [12:04] :) [12:04] I have a hard time understanding unixtime as it is :P [12:04] I use it all the time for timestamps [12:05] but I don't think I'll ever be able to work it out just by looking at it though :P [12:05] * brobostigon 's tummy is rumbling, lunchtime me reckons. [12:05] * mungojerry is rather peeved that an important meeting was arranged at lunchtime [12:06] :( [12:06] brb. [12:07] [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam coming soon - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/ [12:07] Exercise time :) [12:12] * brobostigon heats up last nights curry. [12:12] :) [12:12] haha [12:12] blog gone back to 2007 :) [12:13] andylockran: sounds like it would get on with my ups [12:13] http://zrmt.com [12:14] lime green :) [12:17] that's odd, I thought ubuntu synced time with an ntp server as default! [12:17] * HazRPG messing around with settings [12:18]