[00:15] <andylockran> popey
[00:15] <andylockran> I'm having trouble
[00:16] <andylockran> do I need to do any configuration
[00:16] <andylockran> when I /etc/init.d/gdm start, it goes to a black screen - and takes out the keyboard and mouse with it (though ssh connection still open to kill X) and get back to terminal
[00:16] <andylockran> also, only have 1 tty
[00:17] <andylockran> I'm in rescue mode, so that could be it
[00:24] <popey> dont be in rescue mode
[00:24] <popey> andylockran: did you install the package I said?
[00:24] <popey> also remove your xorg.conf
[00:25] <popey> bed
[00:25] <dutchie> \o/ bed
[06:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:14] <AlanBell> hi MooDoo
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings.
[08:15] <MooDoo> :)
[08:18] <HazRPG> greetings!
[08:19] <HazRPG> wow, this is awesome: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm
[08:23] <Baikonur> is it?
[08:27] <HazRPG> wow that's a lot of disconnects in one go!
[08:27] <MooDoo> yes it's just a split and happens, nothing to really worry about
[08:27] <MooDoo> HazRPG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[08:28] <HazRPG> a server s... k thanks :)
[08:38] <daubers> heh
[08:39] <popey> wheeee
[08:40] <DJones> freenode is having a bit of a rollercoaster start to the day
[08:40] <MooDoo> yeah fun
[08:41] <HazRPG> indeed
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not as much as Gaddaffi is.
[08:51] <DJones> Looks like he's on just the downward slope though, its even worse for the people in the country
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[08:57] <jpds> http://blog.fedecarg.com/2011/02/22/command-line-package-management-with-apt-2/
[08:58] <jpds> That is all.
[08:58] <popey> pffft
[08:58] <popey> thats been doing the twitter rounds for weeks
[09:09] <bobcoder_> Whats the bgest client for IRC Unbuntu 10.10
[09:09] <bobcoder_> please
[09:09] <MooDoo> !best
[09:10] <bobcoder_> oki sorry was just starting out
[09:10] <MooDoo> i use x-chat or irssi personally :)
[09:10] <MooDoo> irssi being a command line client
[09:10] <bobcoder_> thanx MooDoo
[09:10] <diplo> Xchat is probably best known
[09:10] <HazRPG> hmm, for some reason my bluetooth device won't hold a connection for longer than 5 minutes
[09:10] <diplo> And widely used I'd guess
[09:10] <bobcoder_> thanx diplo
[09:10] <DJones> bobcoder_: Same recommendation here, xchat if you want a gui, irssi if you're happy with command line
[09:10] <dogmatic69> chatzilla
[09:11] <HazRPG> could possibly be my stereo headset that could be the problem
[09:11] <JamesTait> HELO canonical.com
[09:11] <BigRedS> EHLO!
[09:11] <BigRedS> :)
[09:11] <danfish> morning mortals!
[09:13]  * danfish was stuck on hold to a well known bank this morning and now has "the girl from ipanema" musak on a loop in his brain
[09:13]  * danfish applies a soft reset
[09:14]  * BigRedS complains at improperly packaged things
[09:14] <HazRPG> I've noticed no one ever recommends pidgin
[09:14] <HazRPG> I never have a problem with it
[09:14] <bobcoder_> i know i've tried it :-(
[09:14] <BigRedS> I don't think people tend to recommend against it...
[09:15] <DJones> HazRPG: I use that for chat/msn etc but not for IRC
[09:15] <BigRedS> It's just that empathy's built in and does a fair sized proportion of what pidgin does
[09:15] <BigRedS> ahhh, as an irc client! I've never tried it
[09:15] <diplo> I've had loads of issues with empathy losing conversations
[09:15] <HazRPG> I wouldn't recommend empathy for irc tbh
[09:16] <HazRPG> some functionality is missing
[09:16] <HazRPG> personally I feel empathy is still a way of being properly usable
[09:16] <DJones> I tried empathy for chat, but I ended up reverting to pidgin because of a won't fix bug/feature
[09:17] <HazRPG> DJones: what's that?
[09:17] <BigRedS> I keep going between them. Pidgin does set-to-away-when-idle and empathy is aware of the notion of priority in XMPP
[09:17] <DJones> HazRPG: With new conversations, does it bring up a window yet, when it was introduced, new conversations would show in the norification area, but if you missed it, you wouldn't know that it'd started unless you were looking at the main empathy window
[09:18] <BigRedS> DJones: Nope
[09:18] <BigRedS> That, too, is daft and annoying. It seems to do the old gnome thing of setting a stupid default and not letting you unset it
[09:18] <bobcoder_> didn't realise i'd started such a debate :-)
[09:18] <popey> :)
[09:18] <DJones> BigRedS: Thats why I still use Pidgin, I'd rather have a new window open so I can see at a glance
[09:18] <bobcoder_> xchat is cool! nice and simple. Thanx everyone
[09:19] <HazRPG> DJones: not sure, I stopped using empathy for the same reason
[09:19] <BigRedS> DJones: yeah, I'm getting used to it. The XMPP priority thing is almost invaluable, though
[09:19] <mrevell> Hi
[09:19] <BigRedS> especially in the absence of away-when-idle
[09:19] <BigRedS> DJones: you can still see at a glance, you just need to glance in a different, vastly smaller, place. One that you don't tend to look at generally... :)
[09:20] <HazRPG> I've always thought the notifications in gnome just doesn't seem right to be honest...
[09:20] <DJones> BigRedS: I've got no problems with it being a won't fix, I understand the reasons for it, if it suits the developer thats fine, its their choice
[09:20] <HazRPG> number of times I've seen something tell me /something isn't right, you need to type in this command/ and it disappears before I get chance to type it
[09:21] <HazRPG> mainly dropbox
[09:22] <HazRPG> MooDoo: \o
[09:22] <MooDoo> HazRPG: just chaging irc client.
[09:22] <bobcoder> me too
[09:22] <HazRPG> MooDoo: ah
[09:23] <MooDoo> HazRPG: moved back to my command line irc client, so i don't need to use my windows box any more
[09:23] <HazRPG> heh
[09:26] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:26] <HazRPG> morning
[09:27] <bobcoder> morning
[09:27] <shauno> howdy
[09:28] <bobcoder> any xplane types here?
[09:29] <DJones> bobcoder: What is xplane, the name rings a bell, but can't place what it is
[09:29] <bobcoder> I'm trying to dev a plugin for it. Its a flight sim
[09:34] <DJones> bobcoder: Can't say its something I've played, but just googled and found an unofficial irc channel on freenode #xplane-chat and possibly #xplane
[09:35] <DJones> Maybe the channels are dead, but there might be somebody in there
[09:35] <bobcoder> thanx Djones. i'll go look.
[09:36] <DJones> bobcoder: Also found this with an irc.x-plane.org with a channel #x-plane http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=12273
[09:36] <davmor2> morning all
[09:36] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[09:36] <DJones> Hi davmor2 dwatkins
[09:37] <bobcoder> sweet no one there but we'll see :-)
[09:38] <DJones> bobcoder: Sounds like that one on irc.x-plane.org might be a busier channel
[09:38]  * davmor2 slap czajkowski a high five and wonders if she is thinking more about her holiday than work
[09:38] <bobcoder> Yeah it is, thanx again Djones
[09:39] <DJones> bobcoder: You're welcome
[09:42] <screen-x> got FUP throttled (to 256k till end of month) by ISP last night, phoned up to request MAC, throttle removed :)
[09:43] <DJones> What did you do to get throttled
[09:44] <screen-x> DJones: probably too much iplayer HD
[09:44] <DJones> heh
[09:44] <mungojerry> screen-x which isp?
[09:44] <screen-x> eclipse
[09:44] <bigcalm> Morning
[09:44] <mungojerry> only 5 days left
[09:44] <mungojerry> :P
[09:45] <MooDoo> mungojerry: till?
[09:45] <screen-x> still, that was going to be a right pain.
[09:45] <mungojerry> moodoo, screen-x got throttled till end of month.
[09:45] <MooDoo> ah
[09:45] <screen-x> My ADSL line only does ~1.5mb, I thought that would make it quite hard to go over usage ;-)
[09:47] <mungojerry> screen-x have you checked to see if you have any "friends" leeching your wifi?
[09:48] <JamesTait> Or any friends willing to share theirs.
[09:48] <screen-x> haha
[09:48] <screen-x> thats more likely, most of them are on the same channel in default config
[09:48] <bobcoder> You can share mine :-0
[09:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: I will kill you
[09:48]  * MooDoo is disgusted that there isn't any open wifi's around his house....pah! ;)
[09:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: that's a but strong
[09:49] <MooDoo> s/but/bit
[09:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: Why I slapped you a high 5 nice and wondered if you were think about you're holiday
[09:49] <bobcoder> strreplace('but','bit'); hehe
[09:49]  * DJones wonders if death threats are against the !coc or whether in this case in might be justified :)
[09:50] <czajkowski> DJones: hush you
[09:50] <czajkowski> it doesnt count when it's me and davmor2 and possibly MooDoo
[09:50]  * DJones hushes
[09:50] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi zip it ;)
[09:50] <mungojerry> czajkowski, how's your knowledge of other IT consulting companies? my employer is in bed with a particular consulting company and i am fearing the worst for our current open source infrastructure
[09:50] <czajkowski> davmor2: because of flipping trains
[09:50]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders how the OSSG event was last night?
[09:50] <davmor2> DJones: it's like white noise when it's us
[09:50] <czajkowski> mungojerry: ye should come talk to us so
[09:50] <czajkowski> :)
[09:50]  * mungojerry wishes they used sirius consulting instead :(
[09:50] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: quite good actually
[09:50] <czajkowski> AlanBell: do a write up please
[09:51] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, working on one
[09:51] <czajkowski> :D
[09:51] <AlanBell> there will be an audio recording of it I think
[09:51] <czajkowski> Aloha bw to all the nicer folks in Ubuntu-uk
[09:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: can't blame me for the trains the ones I use are always on schedule :P
[09:51]  * AlanBell wonders if he is in that set
[09:51] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[09:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: we're all nice, even me an davmor2
[09:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you and davmor2 are special
[09:51] <mungojerry> "special"
[09:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski: we love you too :)
[09:52] <danfish> hah - so many meanings to 'special'
[09:52] <czajkowski> danfish: shhh dont let one
[09:52] <davmor2> that's why czajkowski used it
[09:52] <MooDoo> danfish: you've been in the channel long enough, you work it out ;)
[09:53] <danfish> czajkowski: they're quicker then I thought :P
[09:53] <czajkowski> :)
[09:53]  * czajkowski would like to strangle some teachers today 
[09:53] <MooDoo> high five davmor2 and a prod to czajkowski
[09:53]  * czajkowski rolls up her sleeves and digs into mail 
[09:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: ^5
[09:56]  * davmor2 annoyingly causes czajkowski sleeves to roll back down
[09:57] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, Hi fella
[09:57]  * czajkowski hugs selinuxium 
[09:57]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 and sends davmor2 and MooDoo to the naughty step 
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> wotcha selinuxium. Did AlanBell meet you yesterday?
[09:57]  * selinuxium hugs right back at ya czajkowski
[09:57] <dogmatic69> popey: you around?
[09:58] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, He called me at 17:00 I had already left for the day.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Part timer.
[09:58] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, :P
[09:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: you can't send me to the naughty step I never got off it :P
[09:58] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, Markets are open from 8 to 16:30
[09:59] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, not often I actually get to leave on time..
[10:03] <popey> dogmatic69: ya
[10:03] <dogmatic69> the vid you tweeted last night... my 10.10 also sticks windows between the workspace
[10:04] <popey> apparently this is normal
[10:05] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi you're not my mum, /me goes and sits on the naughty step
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: you brought your cushion this time I can't put up with another day of you whining how cold the step is :D
[10:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm going to sneak out behind the bike shed and have a fag, she won't know....
[10:11] <czajkowski> MooDoo: so classy!
[10:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i don't smoke really :)
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning everyone
[10:18] <kazade> sigh, I can never remember.. where does pbuilder dump the final package?
[10:18] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:18] <brobostigon> mornning davmor2
[10:20] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[10:20] <screen-x> I think I've been spoilt by green & blacks, but the chocolate on kitkats is way to sugary.
[10:21] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good morning,
[10:22] <HazRPG> anyone here use aptana in ubuntu?
[10:24] <screen-x> HazRPG: Haven't used it, but looks interesting
[10:25] <HazRPG> main reason I started using it in windows was because I wanted to fully switch over to ubuntu, shame aptana isn't in the repo, or have their own ppa
[10:25] <screen-x> HazRPG: is it an eclipse plugin?
[10:26] <HazRPG> screen-x: it can be used as an eclipse plugin yeah
[10:26] <HazRPG> they have their own IDE that's based off eclipse too though
[10:26] <screen-x> can you install it through the eclipse update thing?
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning HazRPG :)
[10:27] <HazRPG> I'm not sure lol
[10:27] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning :)
[10:27] <HazRPG> screen-x: never tried it as an eclipse plugin
[10:32] <HazRPG> never tried eclipse for that matter
[10:33] <bobcoder> Netbeans?
[10:33] <HazRPG> although, technically I have since I think aptana's IDE is pretty much customised version
[10:33] <HazRPG> bobcoder: yeah I've used netbeans before for java coding
[10:33] <bobcoder> i use it soley for php now
[10:33] <HazRPG> really?
[10:34] <HazRPG> is it any good for php?
[10:34] <diplo> Same here, as does my colleague
[10:34]  * screen-x used netbeans to create some awful GUIs at uni
[10:34] <diplo> yeah
[10:34] <bobcoder> yeah got datbase views and you can jump to function declarations etc
[10:34] <bobcoder> so on one project,,, its all there
[10:34] <HazRPG> nice
[10:34] <diplo> My fave part is the projects side of things, can't find anything else to compete
[10:34] <bobcoder> links in to phpdocumentor as well :-0
[10:34] <brobostigon> yay, working gnome-shell from git, :)
[10:34] <HazRPG> brobostigon: grats :D
[10:35] <andylockran> howdy
[10:35] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its working really well too.
[10:35] <HazRPG> brobostigon: what's it like :)?
[10:35] <HazRPG> andylockran: hey dude
[10:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: let me try and make screen shots,
[10:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: that would be awesome :)
[10:37] <andylockran> how's things HazRPG ?
[10:37] <HazRPG> andylockran: not bad, yourself ?
[10:38] <HazRPG> hmm... ubuntu doesn't really have desktop widgets does it?
[10:38] <brobostigon> ok, how do i make screenshots, please.
[10:38] <MooDoo> brobostigon: press the print screen button?
[10:38] <BigRedS> HazRPG: KDE sort-of does
[10:38] <HazRPG> not a huge fan of KDE
[10:38] <brobostigon> MooDoo: and that sticks theminto my /home ?
[10:39] <HazRPG> I prefer my gnome panels and fonts it uses
[10:39] <MooDoo> brobostigon: think it gives you the option of where to save them, try it :)
[10:39] <BigRedS> brobostigon: ~/Desktop
[10:39] <brobostigon> MooDoo: ok,cheers. :)
[10:39] <brobostigon> BigRedS: :)
[10:40] <HazRPG> my dislike for KDE is pretty much because of aesthetics though
[10:40] <diplo> brobostigon, Shutter is a good screen shot app
[10:40] <brobostigon> diplo: thnk you.
[10:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: not sure about gnome-shell - but pressing print screen shows up a dialogue to ask where to save it
[10:41] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it did exacttly as expected, :)
[10:41] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i have my uses :)
[10:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG:  http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecU/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/ecW/
[10:43] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[10:44] <brobostigon> its running smooth as a babies bottom,
[10:44] <HazRPG> hmm, looks interesting
[10:44] <brobostigon> it is,
[10:45] <MooDoo> brobostigon: sigh....babies.....pooey nappies and late night and easrly mornings......
[10:45] <brobostigon> and i like being able to message via empathy from the status bar.
[10:45] <brobostigon> MooDoo: well, maybe not them.
[10:45] <brobostigon> then*
[10:47] <HazRPG> is there a way to get the old location bar on nautilus
[10:47] <HazRPG> other than CTRL+L
[10:48] <BigRedS> it's buried in gconf somewhere
[10:48] <BigRedS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreNautilusLocationBar
[10:48] <BigRedS> HazRPG: ^
[10:48] <HazRPG> BigRedS: thanks :)
[10:49] <dogmatic69> ctrl + l maybe
[10:50] <mungojerry> brobostigon, what were those ubuntuone links you shared up there ^^
[10:51] <brobostigon> mungojerry: gnome-shell screen shots,
[10:51] <dogmatic69> does anyone know how i can dowload a youtube video?
[10:51] <mungojerry> were they shared from your u1 account?
[10:51] <brobostigon> mungojerry: yes.
[10:51]  * mungojerry worries
[10:51] <brobostigon> mungojerry: why?
[10:52] <mungojerry> 3 characters isn't enough for security - try entering pseudo-random digits
[10:52] <mungojerry> i  just did it and got a CV, a photo of somebody ..
[10:52] <brobostigon> thats how the ubuntu-one nautilus plugin spat the urls out like,
[10:53] <HazRPG> hmm I just found byobu hidden in the applications menu
[10:54] <mungojerry> brobostigon, howeer i can download all sorts of stuff try exhaustively trying combinations of 3 characters
[10:54] <brobostigon> mungojerry: yes,
[10:55] <brobostigon> mungojerry: may i suggest,it needs to be brought up with the ubuntuone guys.
[10:55] <HazRPG> how does byobu do exactly?
[10:55] <andylockran> I love it
[10:55] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=547848
[10:56] <screen-x> HazRPG: screen \o/
[10:56] <brobostigon> HazRPG: did you see in my terminal screenshot thatthing atthe bottom ofmy terminal, thats part of byobu.
[10:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah I noticed the "byobu" at the top too
[10:56] <andylockran> http://ubuntuone.com/p/deU/
[10:56] <HazRPG> currently have it open
[10:57] <HazRPG> is it just a regular shell but sort of tabbed?
[10:58] <BigRedS> HazRPG: effectively
[10:58] <andylockran> yeah
[10:58] <screen-x> HazRPG: yep, and detachable :)
[10:58] <andylockran> tabbed, with a dashboard :)
[10:58]  * HazRPG consults man byobu
[10:58] <andylockran> it's basically screen witha  profile
[10:58] <BigRedS> and you can 'minimise' it too
[10:58] <HazRPG> cool
[10:58] <screen-x> BigRedS: wut?
[10:58] <s-fox> :)
[10:58] <BigRedS> Ctrl-A,  D
[10:59] <BigRedS> screen-x: going for analogies with windowed apps
[10:59] <screen-x> ok ;-)
[11:00] <screen-x> Also you can attach to the same session from multiple xterms or multiple machines, flipping fabulous.
[11:01] <shauno> from multiple machines is fantastic.  this is my primary use of screen :)
[11:02] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: nice one, thanks
[11:02] <czajkowski> whoo cookies !
[11:02] <screen-x> "Chrome 11 or Chrome 12 are set to receive an Omnibox extension that will allow users to launch web apps directly from the URL bar." What do you normally do with a url bar?
[11:03] <davmor2> Someone say cookies
[11:03] <andylockran> cookies
[11:03] <screen-x> biscuits ;-)
[11:03] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: you're welcome
[11:04] <HazRPG> ooo why didn't I know about gconf sooner!
[11:04] <gord> "launch web apps directly from the url bar". so thats different than going to the website that has the web app with the url bar?
[11:04] <gord> i'm confused
[11:04] <HazRPG> its like an ubuntu regedit! :D
[11:04] <gord> HazRPG, oh no, and just as we are getting rid of gconf!
[11:05] <screen-x> gord: as am I.
[11:05] <HazRPG> gord: we are?
[11:05] <HazRPG> :(
[11:05] <gord> yup, gnome depreciated it for gnome 3
[11:06] <gord> gsettings now with dconf backend
[11:06] <HazRPG> lol but isn't it the same thing essentially :P?
[11:06] <gord> no, but it is similiar
[11:13] <brobostigon> idont think i should set it as default yet, to go to gnome-shell on boot, as i am sure it isnt fully stable yet. and as it is from gnome git, could break easily.
[11:27] <HazRPG> man I love chuck!
[11:27] <HazRPG> awesome show :)
[11:28] <mungojerry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/ArePublishedFilesPrivate Are published files private? No. Published files are meant to be public files that you can easily share with anyone through a simple URL.
[11:29]  * mungojerry plays another round of ubuntuone bingo :P
[11:30] <AlanBell> mungojerry: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/
[11:30] <mungojerry> http://ubuntuone.com/p/aaU/ ewwww
[11:31] <AlanBell> mungojerry: see what you mean, just pick a url and download random stuff!
[11:31] <mungojerry> yeah
[11:32] <mungojerry> more like roulette than bingo i guess
[11:32] <shauno> python's string operators are hurting my head.  think this is why I keep running home to php :/
[11:33] <BigRedS> every time I have to write php i hit php.net for basically every function call
[11:33] <BigRedS> it could really do with some consistency...
[11:33]  * BigRedS pimps Perl a bit. well, *someone* has to
[11:36]  * iclebyte-work would like an object orientated scripting language like python which uses real syntax like java.
[11:36] <shauno> I just like languages that document everything.  with examples.
[11:37] <BigRedS> the php manual is really good
[11:37] <BigRedS> it's just a shame it's also really neccesary
[11:37]  * iclebyte-work agrees with BigRed
[11:37]  * iclebyte-work hates javadoc
[11:37] <andylockran> perldoc is quite good
[11:37] <andylockran> though for me, ipython is just the dogs balls.
[11:37] <BigRedS> yeah, it's generally got the answers I want. That and perlmonks
[11:39] <JamesTait> mungojerry: Published files are, by definition, public. They're not meant to be secure. If they're not suitable for viewing by the entire internet, they shouldn't be published.
[11:40] <JamesTait> That's what we created shares for. :)
[11:40] <BigRedS> Wait, is the issue that it's too easy to guess the url to other public files? I thought they were private files...
[11:40] <BigRedS> where thought -~ "had assumed"
[11:40] <mungojerry> jamestait, however not all users may realise quite how public they are. i believe dropbox has a long url , probably with a checksum so that least it offers at least a big more security
[11:41] <brobostigon> it seems gnome-shell will only except my google calendar as input via evolution, ohwell.
[11:43] <brobostigon> mind you, evolution is gnome default though,
[11:43] <JamesTait> mungojerry: Short of popping up a dialogue box or something saying "You are publishing a file. This means it is public. Anyone on the internet can view it. Are you sure?", which we'd get equally slated for, I'm not sure how we could make it clearer.
[11:43] <BigRedS> brobostigon: the gnome2ish one also uses evolution
[11:44] <BigRedS> if you mean the one in the panel
[11:44] <brobostigon> BigRedS: yes,i hate the config dialogs, as they dont scale properly onmy eeepc's screen.
[11:45] <shauno> heh, that's been a bug for as long as I remember.  the general answer is "don't be silly, no-one uses that resolution anymore"
[11:46] <brobostigon> balls.
[11:46] <shauno> even tho I'd be willing to bet there's more people using 6-800px high now, then there was when it was first raised
[11:46] <brobostigon> agreed.yes.
[11:46] <mungojerry> support for eee pc 701 seems to have disappeared nowadays :(
[11:47] <brobostigon> mungojerry: i dont see why,debian sid shouldnt work, wifi support should be there,with OSS drivers, so shouldnt be a problem, especially with a recent kernel.
[11:48] <brobostigon> should*
[11:48] <brobostigon> why not*
[11:48] <directhex> there needs to be a cutoff point on resolutions
[11:49] <mungojerry> brobostigon, which model eee do you have?
[11:49] <brobostigon> mungojerry: a 900 ssd.
[11:49] <brobostigon> directhex: very true, you cant possibly accomodate for every possible resolution, thats impossible.
[11:50] <shauno> directhex: probably, but shipping an email client with the netbook distro that won't fit it's dialogs on netbook-sized screens seems silly to me
[11:50] <directhex> shauno, one very quickly deprecated model of netbook
[11:50] <directhex> shauno, anything that doesn't fit on a 9xx is a bug, btw
[11:51] <mungojerry> i try never ever to be an early adopter, but when the eee 701 came out, i really needed it for some conferences i was attending.
[11:52] <mungojerry> still use it at work occasionally too though, but my android has displaced it
[11:52] <brobostigon> mungojerry: android x86 should run fine on your eeepc,btw, :)
[11:53] <mungojerry> brobostigon: i tried it a while back, but no wifi, maybe they have come on since then
[11:53] <brobostigon> mungojerry: they have, the most recent i tried, based on android 2.2, wifi worked fine here.
[11:54] <mungojerry> cool - gonna try that
[11:54] <mungojerry> what are you running on it now?
[11:54] <selinuxium> theo
[11:54] <directhex> i don't really get the attraction to android :/
[11:55] <brobostigon> mungojerry: no,i am not. i am on ubuntu 10.10
[11:55]  * mungojerry would like to attach a touch screen in his eee pc
[11:56] <shauno> I tried that a few years ago, but gave up because my vendor seemed incapable of shipping touchscreens in one piece
[11:57] <mungojerry> there are some thinner touchscreens but probably more ££
[11:57] <mungojerry> some are even solderless
[11:57] <shauno> lost track of how much I cost them shipping shattered screens to & from china because they refused to learn that two sheets of cardboard weren't sufficient rigidity
[11:58] <BigRedS> directhex: I've noted that it's mostly WebOS users who are unimpressed by android...
[11:58] <BigRedS> :)
[11:58] <directhex> BigRedS, there's a reason for that
[11:58] <BigRedS> yeah, I want a proper go on webOS
[11:58] <mungojerry> +1
[11:59] <brobostigon> qnx on the RIM playbook is going to be inteesring, i was always impressed with qnx.
[11:59] <directhex> BigRedS, had a play with the emulator in the sdk?
[11:59] <directhex> brobostigon, yeah... RTOS on a mobile device though is..... bad
[11:59] <brobostigon> directhex: good point,
[11:59] <BigRedS> directhex: nah, just a faff with a couple of real-life phones
[12:00] <directhex> brobostigon, and the playbook ui is a 101% rip-off of webos
[12:00] <directhex> even windows phone 7's new multitasking in the mango update is a clone of how webos does it
[12:00] <directhex> ... i sound like a beos user, don't i
[12:00] <brobostigon> directhex: i would partly, tend to agree,i havent tried either though yet.
[12:01] <brobostigon> directhex: you start to sound like me, i am a BeOS/haiku-os user.
[12:02] <brobostigon> sorry.
[12:02] <HazRPG> oh wow!
[12:03] <HazRPG> haha, I just made my time show in swatch .beats xD
[12:03]  * HazRPG really wished that .beats would have took off more than it did
[12:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: try it in raw unixtime, and then doing the mathematics everytime you want to know what it means.
[12:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: haha I'd rather not :P
[12:04] <brobostigon> :)
[12:04] <HazRPG> I have a hard time understanding unixtime as it is :P
[12:04] <HazRPG> I use it all the time for timestamps
[12:05] <HazRPG> but I don't think I'll ever be able to work it out just by looking at it though :P
[12:05]  * brobostigon 's tummy is rumbling, lunchtime me reckons.
[12:05]  * mungojerry is rather peeved that an important meeting was arranged at lunchtime
[12:06] <brobostigon> :(
[12:06] <brobostigon> brb.
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam coming soon - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/23/ubuntu-global-jam-coming-soon/
[12:07] <bigcalm> Exercise time :)
[12:12]  * brobostigon heats up last nights curry.
[12:12] <brobostigon> :)
[12:12] <andylockran> haha
[12:12] <andylockran> blog gone back to 2007 :)
[12:13] <screen-x> andylockran: sounds like it would get on with my ups
[12:13] <andylockran> http://zrmt.com
[12:14] <screen-x> lime green :)
[12:17] <HazRPG> that's odd, I thought ubuntu synced time with an ntp server as default!
[12:17]  * HazRPG messing around with settings
[12:18] <HazRPG> mungojerry: I would be too
[12:18] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hurray \o/
[12:19] <HazRPG> screen-x: although your ups seems to think its older than it really is ;)
[12:19] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[12:20] <HazRPG> hmm... this is odd
[12:20] <diplo> HazRPG, there is a bug about that
[12:20] <diplo> It doesn't / didn't work correctly
[12:20] <HazRPG> why are the default ntp servers some unknown ones I've never heard of before
[12:20] <HazRPG> I thought everyone used www.pool.ntp.org
[12:20] <diplo> One of the canonical guys was working on it, read it on the canonical blog
[12:21] <HazRPG> about the ntp stuff you mean?
[12:22] <diplo> yeah
[12:22] <diplo> few weeks ago
[12:26] <HazRPG> blog.canonical.com ?
[12:26] <HazRPG> I can't see it anywhere
[12:26] <diplo> I'll see if i can find it a mo
[12:26] <HazRPG> cool, thanks
[12:27]  * HazRPG checks to see if its on ubuntu planet
[12:28] <diplo> chiark.greenend.org.uk
[12:28] <diplo> Is the guy who posted it, canonical tech board person
[12:28] <diplo> Posted on 6th december
[12:28] <diplo> (Searched on other PC)
[12:34] <HazRPG> ah
[12:34] <HazRPG> I'll stick with uk.pool.ntp.org
[12:36]  * brobostigon digs into chicken curry.
[12:45] <brobostigon> good luck for the ubuntu libya team.
[12:46] <brobostigon> considering the situation there,
[12:46] <shauno> well, that was a bit messy, but I now have a lil script creating new procmail rules for any mailing lists I haven't already matched.
[12:46] <shauno> be interesting to see how long it takes for that to explode in my face
[12:53] <brobostigon> itv4, 11pm, quadrophenia, tonight, :)
[12:57] <brobostigon> weirdest thing, gnome-shell doesnt seem to have a minimise-maximise window button/buttons, short of a double click for the action, on the title bar.
[12:59] <brobostigon> only exception, seems to be chromium, which always does it own thing.
[13:06] <HazRPG> time for some food myself I think
[13:06] <brobostigon> :)
[13:41] <shauno> one thing I'll never get used to seeing here, is the military doing security for bank drops
[13:42] <popey> "here" ?
[13:42] <shauno> ireland
[13:42] <popey> ah
[13:42] <mungojerry> i used to work near bank of england when they did their bullion dash
[13:43] <shauno> it mostly feels 'just like home', but every now and again they do something odd like that which jarrs me
[13:43] <mungojerry> whole fleet of police cars leading a convoy through streets on city of london, was great
[13:44] <shauno> mungojerry: this is scaled down, but similar.  but using army trucks instead of police cars
[13:44] <mungojerry> like GTA3 :P
[13:45] <shauno> that's the bit that throws me off.  I grew up around military bases, so I'm perfectly used to MPs; but also perfectly used to the boundaries we don't see them cross.
[13:47] <shauno> completely off-topic, just a random observation since they just drove past my window :)
[13:49] <czajkowski> shauno: have to make use of them somehow
[13:50] <shauno> dunno, I think having no use for them at all would be a noble goal :)
[13:52] <czajkowski> so pay them to sit in the barricks and do nthing :)
[13:52] <andylockran> how's things?
[13:54] <mungojerry> i've just scoffed down pasta for lunch between meetings and i've got bright red lips that won't wipe off. they will think i put lipstick on for the meeting :S
[13:55] <brobostigon> lol. :(
[13:56] <BigRedS> haha
[13:56] <mungojerry> i'm also trying to put android 2.2 on my eee..all in 20 min lunch. i really should prioritise eating
[13:57] <brobostigon> yes, it better for you,not to rush eating.
[14:07] <bobcoder> anyone use Funambol?
[14:08] <Baikonur> isn't that tightrope walking
[14:09] <bobcoder> :-) feels like it yeah
[14:10] <bobcoder> I guess if i'm more specific .... sync-gui
[14:27] <HazRPG> hey
[14:28] <screen-x> straw?
[14:29] <bobcoder> straw?
[14:29]  * HazRPG has mcdonalds for lunch
[14:29] <HazRPG> was shocked at the number of business men that was in
[14:29] <HazRPG> must be some sort of convention that I'm missing out on
[14:31] <screen-x> It was a very weird connection in my brain, with "hey" soundling like "hay"
[14:31] <bobcoder> ah i c/sea/see
[14:31] <screen-x> thats the one ;)
[14:32] <bobcoder> you a coder, because that the way i think!
[14:32] <screen-x> heh, I'm a sysadmin, if that counts :)
[14:33] <bobcoder> yeah sorta :-)
[14:35] <HazRPG> heh I always get weird connections like that too
[14:37] <HazRPG> bald/bold/bowled
[14:37] <HazRPG> some people make them sound exactly the same >_<
[14:38] <bobcoder> :-P
[14:38] <dwatkins> screen-x: sometimes when people say "hey!" to me I reply "Hay is for horses" ;)
[14:38] <screen-x> :)
[14:38] <HazRPG> heh, I use "hay's what horses eat" sometimes
[14:39] <HazRPG> depends how pedantic I want to be
[14:39] <screen-x> "What do you do if you see a postman?" "Tie your horse to it, man"
[14:41] <HazRPG> xD
[14:52] <DJones> STOP THE WORLD, I want to get off...My Dad has just managed to install, set up and connect his new broadband service with minimal assistance including a wired machine, 2 wireless laptops running Win 7 & Ubuntu....I'm going looking for the flying pigs now
[14:53] <bobcoder> Does he want a job? :-)
[14:54] <seaslug> I don't belieeeeve it
[14:54] <screen-x> DJones: trained him well you have
[14:55] <HazRPG> DJones: force is clearly strong in that one!
[14:55] <DJones> He's not done badly for a 70 year old
[14:56] <HazRPG> wow
[14:56] <HazRPG> impressive
[14:59] <DJones> I'm impressed anyway, I was fully expecting to have to go over tonight to connect everything
[14:59] <HazRPG> so you should be
[14:59] <DJones> All I had to do was change his email over at the weekend to get away from the old ISP's accounts
[15:10] <dwatkins> lol, oops - I'd created a 12 GB file with grep...
[15:11] <HazRPG> hehe
[15:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: how many were at last  nights event?
[15:21] <czajkowski> 20+
[15:22] <AlanBell> 50+
[15:24] <czajkowski> really..
[15:30] <HazRPG> ooo wow!
[15:30] <HazRPG> electric sheep is in the ubuntu repo :D
[15:30]  * HazRPG does happy dance
[15:30] <DJones> HazRPG: Do Android dream of ......?
[15:30] <HazRPG> indeed ;)
[15:30] <HazRPG> you read the book too?
[15:31] <DJones> Yep, many years ago
[15:31] <gord> is it on the android market? because that would make more sense
[15:31] <DJones> lol
[15:31] <HazRPG> lol
[15:35] <mungojerry> brobostigon: did you have any problems joining wireless networks when running adnroid 2.2 on your eee?
[15:36] <brobostigon> mungojerry: it did hesistate, but with some pushing it did it, finally.
[15:37] <mungojerry> hmm
[15:37] <mungojerry> it scans and attempts to join, but doesn't seem to work
[15:37] <brobostigon> mungojerry: what chipset does yours have, mines an atheros here.
[15:37] <mungojerry> yeah atheros too
[15:38] <brobostigon> hmm,
[15:38] <mungojerry> i'm running the live cd for eee
[15:38] <brobostigon> i know the one.
[15:38] <brobostigon> no idea. to be truthful.
[15:38] <mungojerry> thats ok, thought i'd ask
[15:38] <brobostigon> sorry.
[15:39] <mungojerry> np
[15:39] <brobostigon> mungojerry: theremust be a wayof doing it, as it does say, it works fully on eeepc, ontheir site.
[15:43] <mungojerry> it's so much faster than the 1.6 i tried a while ago
[15:44] <brobostigon> :)
[15:44] <brobostigon> it is,yes.
[15:44] <brobostigon> their gingerbread port will be interesting.
[15:44] <mungojerry> htc sense is far prettier than stock android tho
[15:46] <brobostigon> i dont perticulerly go for sense, it seems to add lag and things like extra memeory and cpu overhead.
[15:46] <mungojerry> \o/ yay..
[15:46] <mungojerry> solution : disable ethernet before enabling wifi
[15:46] <brobostigon> ah,
[15:46] <brobostigon> :)
[15:46] <mungojerry> "Wifi and Ethernet will not work at the same time on any x86 build AFAIK."
[15:47] <brobostigon> hmm, :(
[15:47] <brobostigon> weird. ohwell.
[15:47] <mungojerry> better get back on topic again :P
[15:48] <brobostigon> android is linux, and OSS, so ontopic, :)
[15:50] <bigcalm> Chickens, cheese, minecraft, trains, cake & roundabouts only. Not linux please
[15:50] <davmor2> awaits the flaming that czajkowski is about to give after reading her twitter feed
[15:51] <brobostigon> bigcalm: you forgot real ale.
[15:52] <bigcalm> brobostigon: beacuse I didn't see it in the topic
[15:52] <bigcalm> Though a pint of spitfire would go down willingly right now
[15:53] <brobostigon> bigcalm: :)
[15:54] <mungojerry> open parentheses too
[15:54] <mungojerry> and happy happy joy joy \o/
[15:56] <HazRPG> restarting x, brb
[16:00] <mungojerry> bored with android on my eee already :(
[16:00] <mungojerry> i think i just like the challenge of getting it working :)
[16:00] <brobostigon> :)
[16:02] <HazRPG> hmm, I can't seem to get dropbox to stop saying "Unable to monitor filesystem"
[16:03] <HazRPG> seems I have to type that command and restart dropbox each time my system starts
[16:10]  * HazRPG made a bash script to automate this process for me
[16:14] <BigRedS> I approve of this sort of symptom-hiding :)
[16:15] <dwatkins> at least it's only when you reboot
[16:15] <dwatkins> you only reboot once a year, right?
[16:16] <zleap> hi all
[16:17] <zleap> what sort of things go on at a Launch party,  Is having isos or cd';s of latest release essential
[16:18] <X3N> sometimes
[16:18] <brobostigon> iwould say, have iso's ready, and a few cd's, and ask people to bring usb or sd.
[16:18] <zleap> ok
[16:18] <X3N> also it's a social occasion
[16:19] <Azelphur> when I went to launch party it was a pub with drinking and talking :P
[16:19] <Azelphur> I didn't see one laptop o.O
[16:19] <brobostigon> so curry and real ale :)
[16:19] <zleap> cool, i am looking at doing one in Paignton for 11.04
[16:19]  * mungojerry never goes anywhere without a usb stick with ubuntu or ubuntu+1 on it
[16:20] <X3N> what about the toilet?
[16:20] <BigRedS> The ones I've been to, there's not been any need for laptops
[16:20] <mungojerry> you never know when a livecd environemnt is needed
[16:20] <zleap> meeting on friday to discuss eventys etc,  so after that I will know more,  i am not going to the actual meeting as its internal for the staff at the venue, but i have had positive feedback to the idea so far
[16:21] <zleap> i have loads of 10.10 cd's here,  at the moment anyway
[16:21] <mungojerry> official or unofficial?
[16:21] <zleap> official
[16:21] <Neoti01> zleap : i'll take one ..
[16:21] <zleap> ok,  where u based
[16:22] <mungojerry> should really get some of those - part of our job is to run IT helpdesk for ~ 200 staff
[16:22] <Neoti01> nottingham
[16:22] <zleap> ah
[16:22] <mungojerry> most of them are linux friendly
[16:23] <brobostigon> mungojerry: :)
[16:23] <DJones> popey: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/23/minecraft/
[16:24] <zleap> so just a social thing that sounds more like a normal lug meet
[16:29] <mungojerry> minecraft look slike a bigger time sink than WoW
[16:33] <shauno> luckily, I disagree :)  I can play it for 20 hours a day, and then not play for a week.  never had that benefit with wow, where I was 'expected' to be there at a given time, 3-4 days a week
[16:33] <zleap> i need to try and reach out to local techies
[16:36] <mungojerry> zleap, tried nottingham uni?
[16:36] <zleap> hmm,  i am in Devon
[16:36] <mungojerry> lol
[16:36] <zleap> i was thinking more locally
[16:36] <Neoti01> lol
[16:36] <mungojerry> somebody else said nottigham
[16:37] <Neoti01> ME!
[16:37] <mungojerry> is there a devon uni :P
[16:37] <zleap> may see if I can contact exeter and plymouth student unions once I have set up something
[16:37] <zleap> i know plymouth has a computing socieity
[16:37] <zleap> i guess exeter does too
[16:41] <mungojerry> zleap are you on the devon & cornwall lug mailing list
[16:41] <zleap> yes
[16:42] <mungojerry> the photo has a high beard ratio i notice
[16:42] <BigRedS> zleap: uni comp socs might be able to provide/help with venues?
[16:42] <zleap> ok,
[16:44] <zleap> will have a look,  but i find it easier to look locally for venues,  i know I will go ask about stuff,  plus this venue won't cost us anything
[16:52] <X3N> hum
[16:53]  * X3N shouts for popey 
[16:53] <X3N> someone get the popey-projector
[16:54] <brobostigon> someone check the popey-craft map ?
[16:54] <mungojerry> i think he's off looking at oggcamp venue
[16:55]  * X3N shines the silhouette of elvis into the sky
[16:55] <brobostigon> lol
[16:56] <X3N> ubuntu-uk.org has gone down
[16:57] <DJones> Maybe its been swallowed up by popey's minecraft server
[16:57] <X3N> hmm maybe
[16:58] <davmor2> I'm guessing it is popey
[16:58] <AlanBell> Daviey: ^^
[16:58] <Daviey> *sigh*
[17:00] <X3N> aha Daviey do you have access to reboot it?
[17:00] <dutchie> is this the WP3/apache OOM thing that popey's been struggling with?
[17:00] <Daviey> I don't have the serial detials on this machine :/
[17:01] <AlanBell> dutchie: ssh seems down too (on the magic super secret port)
[17:01] <Daviey> wordpress does seem to like causing OOM's IME.
[17:01] <Daviey> Shhhhh,  "it's super sekkret"
[17:01] <dutchie> is it 1234?
[17:01] <ali1234> it better not be
[17:01] <brobostigon> lol
[17:01] <Daviey> I suspect the box is OOm'ing
[17:02] <kirrus> Daviey: I've not had any trouble with wordpress causing OOMs?
[17:02] <X3N> yeah, I put it in uber debug mode though, so hopefully we'll have a better idea on why
[17:02] <brobostigon> hhgttg, 42 i reckon.
[17:03] <Daviey> kirrus, I'm seeing it on two servers now
[17:03] <Daviey> quite random
[17:03]  * AlanBell has servers running wordpress cheerfully
[17:04] <kirrus> Weird.. we have some really high-load wordpress sites, haven't noticed a thing.
[17:04] <X3N> same, though they're not using ubuntu
[17:04] <kirrus> Ditto, on Debian Lenny here
[17:05] <mungojerry> if it's like drupal, it depends how many modules you enable
[17:05] <mungojerry> some are killers
[17:08] <screen-x> google.com/latitude is 404ing :(
[17:09] <brobostigon> agreed, screen-x :(
[17:09] <kirrus> screen-x: try google.co.uk/latitude
[17:09] <screen-x> kirrus: same
[17:09] <davmor2> screen-x: I blame popey his mincraft world is taking down the t'interweb one server at a time :D
[17:09] <brobostigon> works here.
[17:09] <kirrus> Huh, that is a weird 404 error
[17:10] <kirrus> looks like it's redirecting, but something's broke their end
[17:10] <brobostigon> fail also.
[17:11] <screen-x> How am I supposed to know when to collect my wife if latitude is down...?
[17:11] <brobostigon> does android maps latitude work?
[17:11] <screen-x> I don't have an android phone.
[17:11] <Azelphur> how are you supposed to find a transaction ID in paypal?
[17:11] <davmor2> screen-x: you could use the old way and ring her
[17:12] <screen-x> davmor2: I knew someone would say that ;-) I almost put it in <rehtorical> tags
[17:13] <davmor2> screen-x: happy to oblige
[17:13] <jacobw> does anyone run ubuntu on an msi wind u135[dx]
[17:14] <jacobw> i hate it when family members buy new computers and expect me to set them up :|
[17:16] <brobostigon> jacobw: i get it all the time.
[17:22] <X3N> Daviey: got the bitfolkers to reboot
[17:22] <davmor2> jacobw: come from being the "You know, he does things with computers" one
[17:23] <screen-x> I'm usually happy to help, as long as it doesnt involve windows..
[17:23] <jacobw> i don't mind setting up a new computer with ubuntu, but i don't like messing with windows in any capacity
[17:23] <jacobw> :)
[17:23] <screen-x> ^5
[17:24] <jacobw> window is highly unsuited for netbooks anyway
[17:24] <Daviey> X3N, cool
[17:26] <davmor2> jacobw: it isn't Microsoft said so
[17:26] <jacobw> windows as a gui concept is unsuited to netbooks
[17:26] <jacobw> davmor2: ha
[17:27] <screen-x> latitude is back :)
[17:33] <mungojerry> re the uupc website, i noticed that the rss feeds aren't working anymore
[17:34] <mungojerry> i think since the new countdown page
[17:34] <mungojerry> my gpodder started complaining a few days ago
[17:41] <popey> mungojerry: which specific feed url?
[17:41] <popey> I tested them yesterday
[17:43] <popey> 17:02:15 < X3N> yeah, I put it in uber debug mode though, so hopefully we'll have a better idea on why
[17:43] <popey> be nice if you had told us that
[17:43] <X3N> ok
[17:44] <X3N> popey: php is logging to a file with as much logging info as possible
[17:44] <popey> cool beans
[17:44] <popey> let me know once you have read that :)
[17:46] <mungojerry> popey, correction,the feeds are working again , must have been related to the reboot of webserver earlier :P
[17:46] <X3N> it is read
[17:46] <popey> haha
[17:47] <popey> X3N: fixed?
[17:47] <jacobw> o/
[17:53] <HazRPG> \o
[17:53] <X3N> hmm there's a newer version of IXR that might fix it.
[17:53]  * MartijnVdS waits for his Nexus One OTA
[17:53] <AlanBell> czajkowski: want a lift tomorrow?
[17:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thank you for the offer but I've to be there for 8
[17:55] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah I've been waiting too
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: at least the rollout has officially started now, according to Google
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> _finally_
[17:55] <HazRPG> :P
[17:56] <HazRPG> I wonder how the prioritise the rollout...
[17:56]  * jacobw Froyo
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> Maybe we should ask a Googler to get the update.zip for us :)
[17:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ewww, I don't want to be up that early.
[17:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ok
[17:57] <HazRPG> reckon they just go through the list of MAC address or serial numbers in order for the rollouts?
[17:57] <AlanBell> I can take you back again though, if you are going by train
[17:57] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh I have always wondered why they don't have a manual download on the site
[17:58] <HazRPG> surely with the number of servers they own, one download file isn't going to be a big issue
[17:58] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thank would be great thanks
[17:58] <AlanBell> np
[17:59]  * AlanBell wonders how much mess is in the car at the moment
[17:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: food and drinks @ 6
[17:59] <AlanBell> nom
[17:59] <mungojerry> hazrpg, yo mentioned a dropbox problem earlier.
[18:00] <mungojerry> there's a solution besides running a script when u reboot :P
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the file is 20-90MB
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (conflicting reports)
[18:01] <HazRPG> exactly, it wouldn't hurt the google servers for a manual download
[18:01] <mungojerry> hang on, what's the update? 2.3 for stock android?
[18:02] <brobostigon> mungojerry: aosp 2.3 for nexus one.
[18:02]  * mungojerry is a sense user
[18:02] <mungojerry> :(
[18:03] <mungojerry> however 2.2 was the release i really needed..not sure what other features are required on my phone at this stage
[18:03] <brobostigon> mungojerry: sense is only a gui ontop ofandroid, which true version of android do youhave?
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: sense is nonsense ;)
[18:03]  * brobostigon has cm6.1 (android 2.2.1)
[18:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: agreed.
[18:04] <mungojerry> forgot to leave work :S
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: got locked in? :)
[18:05] <mungojerry> nah, just noticed the time and i gotta get to the football stdium before kick off
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I have USB debugging enabled, and I'm running logcat on the device ("adb shell" from the SDK)
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it shows a lot of coolness that your phone does when it's not doing anything :)
[18:31] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ooo, shiny!
[18:31] <HazRPG> is your nexus rooted?
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> no
[18:31] <andylockran> meant to resize a picture 60%, it was about 3000px wide
[18:31] <andylockran> in the end resized it to 60 pixels
[18:31] <HazRPG> \o/
[18:31] <andylockran> hate imagemagick
[18:31] <HazRPG> andylockran: heh, unlucky
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: only change is US firmware instead of European (so I get updates when Google sends them out, not when Vodafone gets off its arse)
[18:32] <HazRPG> andylockran: I have a feeling you have to assign it in pixels
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you do have to enable "USB debugging" under "Development" in "Applications" in preferences though
[18:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I bought my phone straight from google, so I have a feeling mine is the US firmware too
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it would, yes
[18:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I keep meaning to develop some apps for the android
[18:33] <HazRPG> just never seem to have the time for it
[18:34] <HazRPG> (or the ideas when I'm actually sat in front of my PC)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> same here :)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> I have the SDK
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> I've written "Hello World"
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> then I logged into IRC ;P
[18:35] <zleap> ok nothing official for a lauch party as yet but I have a page up for it :) http://www.zleap.net/ubuntulaunch.php
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you need to configure your music playing app ;)_
[18:37] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: configure it for what?
[18:37] <HazRPG> on my phone?
[18:37] <HazRPG> zleap: Hmm, you hosting an ubuntu release party?
[18:38] <HazRPG> wow Devon!
[18:38] <HazRPG> that's miles away
[18:38]  * HazRPG *faints*
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: lastfm :)
[18:39] <zleap> well its not official yet,  but I put up a page ready, hence its says TBA
[18:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: oh, heh yeah I forgot last.fm died for radio play recently
[18:39] <zleap> hopefully i can get the peeps at the lighthouse to agree and take it from there
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: only on mobile devices.. not on the desktop
[18:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: wait, configure it how?
[18:39]  * HazRPG feels like he missed something
[18:40] <HazRPG> zleap: yeah I noticed :)
[18:40] <zleap> ah
[18:40]  * HazRPG might have to see if I can possibly get a few friends to share fuel/travel costs and see if we can get down if it is on...
[18:41] <HazRPG> I have a feeling it would be a minimum of 6hrs drive away though :P
[18:41] <zleap> you could do one where you are
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> oop norf :)
[18:41] <zleap> the more we do the merrier,  better coverage of the country
[18:42] <screen-x> "I am out of the office until Wednesday 2rd Feb." I wonder when that is.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: in a few years
[18:42] <zleap> screen-x, till when ?
[18:42] <screen-x> zleap: not sure, was in an email I recieved yesterday
[18:43] <zleap> oh, lol
[18:43] <zleap> i would guess they mean 23rd feb (today)
[18:43] <screen-x> that would make sense :)
[18:43] <screen-x> which means I should have a response tomorrow :)
[18:43] <HazRPG> seems cedega has had a sudden role reversal
[18:44] <zleap> so apart from Daviey is anyone else on ubuntu-uk in devon ? specifically south devon
[18:45] <HazRPG> zleap: somehow I think it would be pointless to host one here in cumbria - the scene for linux here seems to be very much dead sadly :(
[18:45] <screen-x> zleap: I was born in devon, if that helps ;-)
[18:46] <jacobw> I think reading theoatmeal.com is going to occupy my evening :|
[18:46] <screen-x> !alot
[18:46] <HazRPG> I can count 5 people in total in this area that uses linux exclusively
[18:47] <screen-x> I like that one :)
[18:47] <zleap> hmm,  HazRPG i know how you feel there
[18:47] <jacobw> I should join my local LUG
[18:47] <HazRPG> jacobw: I have, and so far no one on the mailing list has responded :(
[18:50] <zleap> i did a poster for my local lug,  i just not long after it actually started,  i think posters do help spread the word
[18:50] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/02/23/open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society/
[18:50] <jacobw> I think it'd find it strange at first meeting other like minded people, but then it'd be awesome
[18:51] <AlanBell> czajkowski: copy away
[18:52] <zleap> there are several sorts of lug meets, social right up to install fests,  talks sessions etc
[18:52] <jacobw> WYLUG looks active, but their photo gallery only goes up to 2002 :s
[18:52] <zleap> so if starting off best to just find somewhere that can host you and try and get like minded people to join up,   at least the initial topic is usually what distro do you use
[18:52] <jacobw> Looks very active in fact
[18:53] <jacobw> I imagine that dicussion is faster now than in days gone by
[18:53] <zleap> wy = west yorkshire right
[18:53] <jacobw> Yeah :)
[18:53] <HazRPG> I know it sounds bad, but I have a feeling the demographic for the cumbrian lug is a much older group of people...
[18:53] <jacobw> 'tis the place to be
[18:53] <Daviey> zleap, I haven't forgotten your email btw
[18:53] <HazRPG> which is a real shame
[18:53] <zleap> Daviey, no problem
[18:53] <jacobw> HazRPG: old people are people too
[18:53] <HazRPG> I mean I'm sure there are more linux users in cumbria - they're just hiding :(
[18:54] <Daviey> zleap, i'm almost certain i won't be i Devon at release time - i'll probably be in London...
[18:54] <zleap> i find in the dclug that the older people and younger members really get on well with each other
[18:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks
[18:54] <zleap> Daviey, ah ok np
[18:54] <HazRPG> jacobw: that's why I said it sounds bad (I mean to say it out loud)
[18:54] <jacobw> DC?
[18:54] <zleap> devon and cornwall
[18:54] <jacobw> HazRPG: i know ;)
[18:55] <HazRPG> I mean I have nothing against it, its just a shame that younger people just don't have the same motivations and accomplishments that people use to once have
[18:55] <zleap> HazRPG, why is that ?
[18:55] <jacobw> HazRPG: yeah, that saddens me to, and influences my life choices in not wanting to be one of 'those' young people
[18:55] <HazRPG> just seems that if its going to take longer than 2 minutes to do anything, they just sort of toss it aside
[18:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: CC-By-SA
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there are exceptions
[18:56] <zleap> HazRPG, you will find the odd few willing to put in the effort,  however that could explain why youth unemployment is so high
[18:56] <Daviey> zleap, I will strive for the next lug meet.
[18:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... but you've clearly not been in cumbria before ^^
[18:56] <zleap> ok cool,
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: why would I want to go to Cumbria ;)
[18:57] <HazRPG> exactly!
[18:57] <HazRPG> :P
[18:57] <jacobw> is Kendal in Cumbria?
[18:57] <zleap> Daviey, can we get any swag for a ubuntu launch party ?
[18:57] <zleap> :D]
[18:57] <HazRPG> jacobw: technically it is I think
[18:57] <HazRPG> its part of the north-west if that counts...
[18:57] <jacobw> Cool :) It's a far north west as I've ever been
[18:57]  * jacobw avoids crossing the hills
[18:57]  * AlanBell needs to dispose of some swag
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: though it looks like a nice place for a good walk among the mountains
[18:58] <jacobw> Manchester seems to be a hotbed of open source coolness
[18:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah there are some nice places here for walks :) but its about the only thing we have going for it :P
[18:58] <HazRPG> jacobw: agreed
[18:58] <zleap> AlanBell, whatr sort of stuff u got ?\
[18:58]  * zleap has loads of 10.10 cd's
[18:59] <HazRPG> I've travelled down with a few friends before for some open-source goodness, and some MTG before - since we're such a blackhole here
[18:59] <jacobw> I live in Leeds, there must be some open source stuff going on here
[18:59]  * brobostigon wonders if he has cooked polanta properly.
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Why is there a ferry from the Netherlands to _Newcastle_
[19:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: why wouldn't there be?
[19:00] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: to scare naughty children?
[19:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: businesses have to get there good shifted from land-to-land somehow ;)
[19:01] <brobostigon> tastes ok, feels ok, soi think i have cooked it right, then.
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes, we have airports, and freight harbours etc.
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I don't see the use of a ferry :)
[19:01] <AlanBell> zleap: the official ubuntu book for a start
[19:01] <jacobw> The north east was once an industrial power
[19:02] <AlanBell> and some baseball caps
[19:02] <zleap> cool
[19:02] <AlanBell> I have a plan for the book
[19:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: there's an official ubuntu book :o
[19:02]  * jacobw is interested in the offical ubuntu book
[19:02] <AlanBell> there is
[19:02] <jacobw> of what vintage?
[19:02] <AlanBell> fifth edition
[19:03] <zleap> i have the firtst ed of the ubuntu manual
[19:03]  * HazRPG googles said book
[19:03] <zleap> btwq i assume this will have to be updated for unity
[19:03] <jacobw> awesome :) are you willing to post?
[19:03] <brobostigon> zleap: iwould agree.
[19:04] <AlanBell> jacobw: I have a plan . . .
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> http://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_for_your_computer.jpg
[19:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nice write up
[19:05] <jacobw> HazRPG: i've just seem your pm from the other day.. i haven't got libnotify set up
[19:05] <zleap> AlanBell, how much would it cost to send some baseball caps,?
[19:05] <HazRPG> jacobw: remind me what that said again?
[19:05] <HazRPG> AlanBell: is this the book? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Mako/dp/0137081308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298487897&sr=8-1
[19:06] <AlanBell> that very one
[19:07] <zleap> HazRPG, thats more like it , the one i found was for 6.06
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> zleap: it's still supported...
[19:07] <HazRPG> zleap: heh yeah my results were showing those too - so popped amazon up instead ^^
[19:07] <zleap> its available on kindle too :)
[19:07] <HazRPG> zleap: still don't own a kindle yet... I will be getting on shortly :)
[19:07] <zleap> nor me
[19:08] <brobostigon> one*
[19:08] <zleap> any idea if its possible to highlight text on a kindle, and save,  like for taking notes etc
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> zleap: yes, until Amazon decide you can't have the book anymore
[19:08] <HazRPG> zleap: indeed you can :)
[19:08] <zleap> ah,  so its time limited
[19:09] <jacobw> what are the odds of them choosing 1984 to demonstrate that weakness with..
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: 100%! :)
[19:09] <AlanBell> !1984
[19:09] <jacobw> haha
[19:09] <AlanBell> big brother is watching you
[19:09] <zleap> lol
[19:10] <zleap> logs are useful though
[19:12] <zleap> ok may send for some ubuntu stickers for the launch party
[19:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: seriously amazon can do that?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if you bought the book through amazon, yes
[19:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: is that for repeat downloads, or are the books themselves protected as such
[19:18] <cbx33> we talking about kindles?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: yes
[19:18] <HazRPG> aye
[19:18] <HazRPG> yes*
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/168654/amazon_removes_ebooks_from_kindle_store_revokes_ownership.html
[19:19] <cbx33> heh
[19:20] <Laney> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2006/01/13/%23ubuntu-uk.html first (logged) lines
[19:20] <Laney> no, lies, there were more before then
[19:20] <zleap> where do i download the pod casts from ?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> zleap: podcast.ubuntu-uk.org -- follow instructions on there
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> hm
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> there used to be a page with everything on it there
[19:21] <zleap> i get a countdown till the next one,
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/23/s04e00-season-4-is-coming/ has the subscribe links on the side
[19:21] <shauno> arf, yeah that is a rather unfriendly "landing page"
[19:23] <zleap> i am sure i should be able to download em auto matically somehow
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> zleap: rhythmbox and banshee are both podcast clients
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you can add the feed to them
[19:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: wow that's a scary thought
[19:23] <zleap> ok
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: hence why I bought a Sony with no 3G/wifi (only USB)
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: only I decide what goes on/off :)
[19:24] <jacobw> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
[19:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: heh, there's an app for the kindle to strip the DRM from the books
[19:25] <HazRPG> if I recall
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> can't calibre do that with the right plugins?
[19:26] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah, it was an app for the desktop - not for the kindle
[19:26] <zleap> pk fired up rhytmbox, and did a search in podcastrs for ubuntu uk and got nothing
[19:26] <HazRPG> might be calibre - I just don't recall what it was called
[19:26] <HazRPG> zleap: no you need to put the feed into rhythmbox
[19:27] <zleap> how
[19:27] <HazRPG> click podcast
[19:27] <zleap> ok
[19:27] <zleap> done that
[19:27] <HazRPG> right-click on a blank space in the window to the right
[19:27] <HazRPG> and pick new feed
[19:27] <HazRPG> then put the url of the podcast you want to subscribe to :)
[19:28] <zleap> like the one above http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> or just drag the feed icon into banshee/rhythmbox
[19:28] <HazRPG> no, the actual feed
[19:28] <HazRPG> or you can do that too :P
[19:28] <HazRPG> zleap: what you wanting the downloads to be?
[19:29] <HazRPG> ogg/mp3?
[19:29] <zleap> ogg
[19:29] <HazRPG> hi-fi or lo-fi?
[19:29] <zleap> hi i guess
[19:29] <zleap> i just want to see if I can download them
[19:30] <HazRPG> zleap: put this url in then: http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high
[19:30] <zleap> ah ok thanks
[19:30] <zleap> s3 onwards
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E00  Season 4 is coming! - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/02/23/s04e00-season-4-is-coming/
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Open Source with the Home Office and the British Computing Society - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/02/23/open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-source-with-the-home-office-and-the-british-computing-society
[19:31] <zleap> if i download all of em i can listen locally and move around etc
[19:32] <HazRPG> zleap: usually the podcast:// or pcast:// urls should open up rhytmbox on websites
[19:32] <HazRPG> sometimes its placed on the site as an "itunes" link
[19:32] <zleap> ok it opened in totem here
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> that's a single episode
[19:32] <HazRPG> zleap: what the url above?
[19:32] <zleap> but hopefully it will download in rhymem box
[19:32] <zleap> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high
[19:33] <zleap> i can download using rhytmbox
[19:33] <HazRPG> yeah :)
[19:33] <zleap> thats fine,  so if I come back to it in march then i it will just find then download the new one
[19:33] <HazRPG> if you put that url into the feeds, it'll add it to the list
[19:33] <zleap> ok dumb queston 2 where does it download too,  i assume a directory in ./home/my user
[19:34] <HazRPG> podcasts in rhythmbox auto go to ~/Music
[19:34] <zleap> ok
[19:34] <HazRPG> but you can change it in preferences
[19:34] <zleap> thanks
[19:34] <HazRPG> the podcasts tab
[19:34] <HazRPG> and just change the location
[19:34] <zleap> its fine i am used to windows, lets hide stuff in a odd location
[19:34] <HazRPG> I usually set it to ~/Music/Podcasts
[19:35] <zleap> i will move to external drive anyway at some point
[19:35] <HazRPG> zleap: best thing about feeds is that they automatically go into their own folder
[19:35] <HazRPG> the feed link I gave you should put them in a folder called "Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » ogg-high"
[19:35] <zleap> ok the lighthouse (where i am hoping to do a lauch party) is setting up an internet radio station is there an issue with re transmitting the podcasts on there
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> zleap: the podcast seems to be CC-BY-SA-licensed
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> zleap: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
[19:37] <zleap> so no as long as I credit it properly
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> zleap: I'd say you're OK as long as you don't cut out the "This is the Ubuntu UK podcast" bit :)
[19:37] <zleap> i am crap at editing stuff anyway so will do it as - is
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> zleap: and maybe tell them where/how to subscribe to the podcast when they ask :)
[19:38] <zleap> ok,
[19:39] <HazRPG> yeah, best thing to do is just tell people that your about to play the ubuntu-uk podcast and that they can subscribe to it from podcast.ubuntu-uk.org
[19:39] <zleap> ah ok,  well hopefully they are getting their website sorted so it can all go on there with a link
[19:39] <HazRPG> :)
[19:40] <HazRPG> you can always just make a generic audio file that says the above (or get one of your friends to do it) and then just play that file each time your about to play the podcast :)
[19:40] <zleap> good idea
[19:41] <HazRPG> zleap: oh btw, concerning the podcast and rhythmbox - I just noticed that if you only just subscribed to it, it'll only download the most recent file
[19:42] <HazRPG> so you might have to highlight them all and click "download episode" if your wanting them all :)
[19:42] <zleap> it goes back as far as april 2010
[19:42] <HazRPG> CTRL+A works for selecting all :)
[19:43] <zleap> thats ok i need to keep an eye on what i download ( limit of 10gb) so don't want to do too much, however i may be able to grab quite a lot in what i have left for this month
[19:43] <HazRPG> well each episode is only ~20-30 MB so its not an awfully big amount you'll be using
[19:44] <HazRPG> hmm, just a thought - but shouldn't the landing page on the podcast site at least let you click the logo/title so that you can browse the rest of the site?
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it should.  talk to popey :)
[19:45] <zleap> I will see what i can do
[19:46] <zleap> having a link on the page with the countdown would make it easier to do a poster for it
[19:46] <zleap> so i can do a poster promoting the uk ubuntu podcast and stick that up
[19:49] <HazRPG> just sent popey a PM, so hopefully it should soon :)
[19:49] <daubers> Evening
[19:49] <HazRPG> daubers: hey dude
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> http://www.cafepress.com/+keep_calm_and_dont_blink_doctor_who_poster,400949382
[19:53] <daubers> Have to admit I'm looking forward to the new UUPC season
[19:54] <zleap> ok i have changed it to look for new podcasts weekly
[19:55] <zleap> i have created a simple poster with the main url on from above and http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high
[19:56] <Myrtti>  ho-hum
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: evening
[19:56] <zleap> hi
[20:00] <Middle> Hello?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Howdy
[20:01] <HazRPG> zleap: might be worth putting the MP3 one on too, since some players can't play OGG http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-high
[20:01] <HazRPG> I tend to hear podcasts from home, but sometimes I put them on my MP3 player for on-the-go listening
[20:02] <Middle> I am curious about joining hte Ubuntu UK Loco team, i am doing A-Levels at teh moment, and i am looking at university options or employement.  So i was jsut curious as to waht Ubuntu Loco is all about?
[20:02] <HazRPG> zleap: you could always just make a short url version of both those to save space on your poster :)
[20:02] <daubers> Middle: Hang around, join the mailing list, get involved. Loco's are many things
[20:03] <daubers> !loco
[20:05] <HazRPG> zleap: if it helps I've just made them using tinyurl.com for you: http://tinyurl.com/uupc-mp3 & http://tinyurl.com/uupc-ogg
[20:05] <Middle> So is it just a group of Local Ubuntu Enthusiasts? If so what do you get up to?
[20:06] <HazRPG> Middle: pretty much, although the LoCo is much more than that too though... plus some of the people in here aren't in the UK :P
[20:07] <HazRPG> Middle: mainly people just talk about ubuntu/linux/other stuff, bugs, problems, general stuff they've found out - but not always just about linux though
[20:07] <daubers> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ most are though
[20:08] <Middle> :0 Imposters! Well it sounds interesting
[20:08] <brobostigon> Middle: we also promote ubuntu and support users of ubuntu.
[20:08] <HazRPG> Middle: just cos they don't live in the UK doesn't mean they're not british ;)
[20:08] <Middle> I joke i joke
[20:08] <HazRPG> :P
[20:08] <Middle> So is there literally local meets IRL for local clubs?
[20:09] <HazRPG> the podcast they do is pretty awesome if you're a linux enthusiast though :)
[20:09] <daubers> Middle: Yep, maybe not so Ubuntu centric though
[20:09] <daubers> !lug
[20:09] <Middle> Oh wait so is that map a map of members or 'clubs'?
[20:09] <daubers> 'tis members
[20:10] <dutchie> we also talk about minecraft a bit :)
[20:10] <HazRPG> Middle: that's a map of people who frequent #ubuntu-uk and such
[20:10] <HazRPG> dutchie: heh, mainly in #ubuntu-uk-minecraft though :P
[20:10] <dutchie> it spills over a fair bit tbf
[20:10] <Middle> Ah right ok! Nearest person to me is Oxford =[
[20:10] <Myrtti> I couldn't put Finland to it too :-(
[20:10] <HazRPG> this is true
[20:10] <dutchie> Middle: that's me!
[20:11] <brobostigon> Middle: lug.org.uk has a list of linux users groups.
[20:11] <Middle> dutchi you are closest to me
[20:11] <MadLeomon> Is there any reason no matter what the exe is, or where it's from that wine would constantly tell me it's unsafe and refuse to run it
[20:11] <Middle> I am in Milton Keynes
[20:11] <dutchie> whereabouts are you, Middle?
[20:11] <dutchie> ah
[20:11] <dutchie> that is a fair old way from here
[20:11] <HazRPG> Middle: closest to me is a guy up in Edinburgh technically
[20:12] <brobostigon> Middle: i am up innorth oxfordshire, so ampretty close.
[20:12] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: might be because you haven't set the file up to be executable
[20:12] <Middle> Yeah, still not too far, Are you studying at Oxford?
[20:12] <brobostigon> Middle: me, no. and oxford isnt north oxfordshire.
[20:13] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: right-click the file -> properties -> permissions tab -> tick "allow executing file as program"
[20:13] <brobostigon> Middle: try hitting your tab button for completing nicks.
[20:13] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: Seems your first guess was correct, it's been too long since I've used wine
[20:14] <dutchie> Middle: I am, yes
[20:14] <Middle> brobostigon: Thats amazing :0 Does that work in all clients?
[20:14] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: same, only been messing around with it again over the last 4 days... so my efforts & knowledge is pretty recent :)
[20:14] <Middle> dutchie: Nice, what are you studying?
[20:14] <dutchie> maths
[20:14] <brobostigon> Middle: should do, yes. as well as normal terminal aswell.
[20:14] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: last time I used Wine, was back in 9.04/9.10 days
[20:15] <brobostigon> Middle: to complete paths, executable names, you name it.
[20:15] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: not far off when I last used it
[20:15] <Middle> brobostigon: Thanks that will save lots of time... especially when we get users called 09534tp94htg4owe... XD
[20:15] <HazRPG> Middle: it works in most clients :)
[20:15] <MadLeomon> Got a craving for some diablo 2
[20:15] <Middle> dutchie: Clever Maths at AS scared me off...
[20:15] <brobostigon> Middle: try it in a normal terminal aswell, comes invery useful,
[20:15] <seaslug> Maths rocks
[20:16] <HazRPG> Middle: I think what brobostigon was trying to say was that the auto-complete also works when your using the terminal to browse folders/files/applications
[20:16] <brobostigon> thanks HazRPG :)
[20:16] <HazRPG> Middle: give it a try, its awesome :)
[20:17] <dutchie> maths is even more awesome :)
[20:17] <Middle> Yeah awesome! Thats what i love about nix is there is always something to learn. Lke i am an 'expert' in one feild, but know so little about others....
[20:17] <dutchie> (not biased or anything)
[20:17] <MadLeomon> I wonder if there's a good replacement for wine-doors floating about
[20:17] <HazRPG> Middle: e.g. cd /ho (press tab) Desk (press tab then hit enter), it'll take you to the Desktop folder
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> anyone else having touchpad and mouse issues after update?
[20:17] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: which update?
[20:18] <Middle> HazRPG i just tried that XD
[20:18] <HazRPG> Middle: hehe :P
[20:18] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: and which package?
[20:18] <Middle> dutchie: I am looking at doing network security at Uni, or finding a good work placement im in my second year of A-levels so far...
[20:19] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: hmm, for download fonts and such likes?
[20:19] <HazRPG> downloading*
[20:19] <dutchie> which a levels are you doing?
[20:19]  * brobostigon does has trouble phrasing things in the right way, sometimes, :(
[20:19] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, not sure, it was a partial update
[20:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I do too, so I wouldn't worry about it
[20:20] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: in which case, i cant say, if idont know what was updated.
[20:20]  * brobostigon hugs HazRPG :)
[20:20] <HazRPG> hurray!
[20:20]  * HazRPG hugs brobostigon
[20:20]  * HazRPG offers up free hugs to all
[20:20] <brobostigon> group hug, yay :)
[20:21]  * brobostigon joins in.
[20:21] <HazRPG> :)
[20:21] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: Just the general ease of that kind of thing, so yeah pretty much
[20:22] <Middle> dutchie: Computing, Physics and Business + Economics, but i would only really like to do Computing...
[20:24]  * dutchie food
[20:24] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: it doesn't have a pretty interface - but if your not scared of a bit of CLI then head over to: http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks
[20:25]  * HazRPG high-fives Middle
[20:25] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: CLI is only scary when you don't have a chat room full of people who you can pester for advice :p
[20:25] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: :P
[20:26] <jacobw> --help
[20:26] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: winetricks is pretty self explanatory though
[20:26] <HazRPG> yeah as jacobw said, type in winetricks --help into terminal and it'll show you all the stuff it can assist you with
[20:27] <HazRPG> jacobw: don't forget about man pages ;)
[20:27] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: I still have nightmares from an old DOS computer my mum had, can you picture the damage an 8 year old can do in command line
[20:27] <HazRPG> man pages have saved my skin a few times this week :)
[20:28] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: yeah, but that's because anyone could mess around in DOS though :P there were no permissions setup :P
[20:29] <MadLeomon> admittedly the computer was serveral OSes and about the better part of half a decade out of date
[20:29] <Middle> CLI > GUI any day... I tried a program with a GUI and got scared and exited it, then mastered it in < 2 minutes on th3 CLI....
[20:29] <Middle> afk
[20:52]  * daubers should do more stuff in c/c++
[20:53] <daubers> Argh! Just realised I've been using Unity all day today and it's not got in the way of my work
[20:54]  * daubers is pleasantly surprised
[20:55] <HazRPG> daubers: agrees with the doing of more stuff in c/c++
[20:57] <HazRPG> personally I find unity a nuisance of my screen real-estate... since I've got the old-screen squared off screens still
[20:57] <HazRPG> old-school*
[20:58] <HazRPG> if I had widescreen monitors I don't think I'd mind so much
[20:58] <daubers> HazRPG: Unity in natty? Would't have thought it would be an issue with the way the dock is scared of windows
[20:59] <HazRPG> how'd ya mean?
[21:01] <daubers> If I maximize the windows, the dock runs off the left of the screen and hides
[21:01] <daubers> Poor little thing is terrified of windows
[21:01]  * daubers may have personified the dock too much recently
[21:02] <HazRPG> ah
[21:02] <HazRPG> hmm, didn't think it could do that
[21:02]  * HazRPG feels he's missing a trick somehow
[21:02] <daubers> Only does it in Natty, not in Maverick
[21:02] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: how's winetricks working out for ya btw?
[21:03] <HazRPG> daubers: ah, that'll be why then :P
[21:03] <MadLeomon> HazRPG: got the stuff i wanted from it, so fine.
[21:03] <HazRPG> MadLeomon: good stuff :)
[21:03] <HazRPG> was just checkin in to make sure ya got it working fine :)
[21:07] <pr0ph3t> bloomin touchpad
[21:07] <pr0ph3t> right and left clicks work but the pointer doesn't move
[21:08] <pr0ph3t> I looke in /var/log/X.0.log but nothing seems to stand out (i.e. ERROR and alike)
[21:08] <zleap> back
[21:08] <pr0ph3t> looked*
[21:34] <ben__> Hey
[21:34] <zleap> hey
[21:34] <ben__> anyone there?
[21:35] <zleap> i am here
[21:35] <ben__> what up?
[21:36] <zleap> just listening to the ubuntu podcast
[21:36] <ben__> same only my music is from my xbox lol
[21:36] <zleap> ah
[21:39]  * HazRPG just found out that his collection of harry potter books (all if not most of which are 1st ed.) are worth a fair bit and can only find 2 of them >_<
[21:40] <zleap> ouch
[21:40] <HazRPG> your telling me!
[21:41] <HazRPG> on sotheby's auction, they've been going for anywhere between 1k to 20k for them
[21:41] <zleap> nice
[21:41] <HazRPG> the 20k one is for the first 4 books
[21:41] <zleap> you could buy a lot of ubuntu cd's for that,  or a really nice computer
[21:42] <HazRPG> I've got all 7 as first ed's (as far as I remember, I know the last 3 are definitely - cos I had them preordered when sales for preorders came out)
[21:42] <HazRPG> zleap: I know!
[21:42] <zleap> yay
[21:42] <zleap> you need to have a good root round for em eh
[21:42] <zleap> of course they are only worth that much if in very good condition
[21:43] <HazRPG> I've got 2 houses to search through though >_<
[21:43] <zleap> ah
[21:43] <HazRPG> I stay at my mum's house (but she's retired to egypt) and I've gotta look through @ my dad's (who still works out in saudi)
[21:44] <HazRPG> yeah, they're in pretty good condition
[21:44] <HazRPG> well at least they /were/ in pretty good condition
[21:44] <HazRPG> the last 3 that I've found here still look brand new (and so they should, I still never got round to reading them xD)
[21:45] <zleap> ohh
[21:45] <zleap> so mega bucks then :)
[21:45] <HazRPG> hopefully :P
[21:45] <zleap> i am waiting for harry potter part 1 to come out on dvd
[21:45] <HazRPG> but I doubt the last 3 would sell for much without the other 4
[21:45] <zleap> as in deathly hallows part 1
[21:46] <HazRPG> yeah I guessed :P
[21:46] <zleap> you dont want like to split them if you can help it
[21:46] <HazRPG> its not that, the first book only so many of them were made because it wasn't as popular back then
[21:46] <zleap> ah
[21:46] <HazRPG> so the collection is pretty worthless without it
[21:47] <ben__> Have you ever used fedora ?
[21:47] <HazRPG> first book alone is worth 3k
[21:47] <zleap> i used to use red hat
[21:47] <HazRPG> 2nd book is only worth £400
[21:47] <zleap> before it split and they created fedora,
[21:47] <HazRPG> etc
[21:47] <zleap> ah
[21:47] <zleap> i guess wait a few years when you find em and they should go up in value
[21:48] <HazRPG> heh, yeah I use to use red hat too
[21:48] <zleap> and used suse, got fed up with things breaking
[21:48] <HazRPG> zleap: totally :P
[21:48] <zleap> i have 3.0.3 here somewhere, plus rhl 6
[21:48] <zleap> i think i stoped at 6
[21:50] <zleap> thenmoved to suse, liked the auto video playback upgraded and it broke so ended up on debian based distro and more recently ubuntu
[21:50] <zleap> so yeah back then it was more dual boot for linux really
[21:50] <zleap> hi rattleStuff
[21:50] <rattleStuff_> allo
[21:53] <zleap> ohh mega netsplit
[21:55] <HazRPG> wow, so our server lost connection with all the others!
[21:55] <zleap> it happens occasionally
[21:55] <HazRPG> yeah so I'm noticing
[21:56] <shauno> less occasionally lately, it seems
[21:56]  * HazRPG wonders if the official ubuntu server book is worth a buy
[21:57] <HazRPG> I never saw disconnects like this back in the dial-up days
[21:58] <HazRPG> I use to be logged into quakenet for several hours at a time once
[21:58] <HazRPG> funny to see how much quakenet has changed over the years though
[21:58] <dwatkins> You mean IRC servers with netsplits, HazRPG? I think that might be intentional sometimes, not sure how often, though.
[21:59] <HazRPG> dwatkins: yeah
[21:59] <dwatkins> I set my client to ignore netsplits, and use tab-complete to make sure the person I'm speaking to is still on the channel.
[21:59] <dwatkins> I also have joins and quits on ignore to reduce the noise level.
[22:00] <shauno> I haven't read the server book yet.  it's on my shelf tho, for when I get really bored
[22:01] <HazRPG> I mainly use my o'reilly quick-reference books for most stuff
[22:01] <brobostigon> http://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices   there, they have killed of the htc dream, so sad, :(
[22:02] <zleap> I got one of those for LaTeX only its in german, lol
[22:02] <zleap> i can sort of understand it
[22:02] <HazRPG> I have a linux one, but I recently lent it out to someone who's doing networking and they're setting up servers for one of their classes
[22:03] <dwatkins> brobostigon: killed the phone or killed the dream of HTC?
[22:04] <brobostigon> dwatkins: cyanogenmod making modern android versions for it.
[22:05] <dwatkins> brobostigon: I See; I notice the Ace aka Desire HD isn't on the list.
[22:05] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i didnt notice, no, sorry,
[22:06] <dwatkins> brobostigon: no worries, I was just pointing out my phone appears to unfortunately not be supported, which is a shame as I'd quite like Cyanogenmod on it having seen it on a Nexus One
[22:07] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i see. ok.
[22:09] <zleap> this looks cool http://www.vimeo.com/19064597
[22:09] <HazRPG> dwatkins: if I recall, cyanogenmod are supporting the Desire HD in cm7
[22:09] <HazRPG> wow mIRC is still on the go!
[22:10] <zleap> yeah i remember mirc 15 years ago :)
[22:10] <HazRPG> same
[22:11] <HazRPG> I was first introduced to it by an internet café
[22:11] <HazRPG> I went in, because our home line was dead... and noticed the icon on the desktop
[22:11] <zleap> same here
[22:11] <HazRPG> I even used MS-Chat back then too - which was basically an irc client too :P
[22:11] <zleap> well internet cafe before i got the net at home
[22:11] <dwatkins> HazRPG: hooray
[22:11] <zleap> yeah remember that too, i guess that was the for runner to msn
[22:12] <HazRPG> zleap: yeah I think so too
[22:12] <zleap> i remember hotmail beofre MS took it over
[22:12] <zleap> before
[22:12] <HazRPG> heh same
[22:12] <zleap> :)
[22:12] <brobostigon> when hotmailwas ran of bsd servers.
[22:12] <zleap> back in the win95 days
[22:12] <HazRPG> with a rather silly logo, and simple interface :P
[22:13] <zleap> yeah
[22:13] <brobostigon> off*
[22:13] <zleap> well it was simple back then eh
[22:13] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I didn't know that
[22:13] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i understand it was freebsd tobe specific,
[22:13] <HazRPG> zleap: back then, I did my own crawling through the internet - I didn't know about search engines at the time
[22:14] <zleap> i got books on all that here,  covers stuff like spider etc
[22:14] <HazRPG> I had a web crawler that I had to feed links to, to make up a database of my own to find stuff
[22:14] <zleap> also givers prices for ISP's back in 1995 that was expensive
[22:14] <zleap> nice
[22:15] <HazRPG> zleap: took time to find a site, I must tell you - specially on dialup!
[22:15] <zleap> if you use gentoo,  not much has changed eh,  you need to build os before you can use it
[22:15] <HazRPG> heh yeah
[22:15]  * zleap hides from any gentoo users in the channel 
[22:16] <zleap> thing is with te build it your self method you learn a heck of a lot in doing so
[22:16] <zleap> which is why i want to have a go at Linux from scratch atr some point
[22:17] <HazRPG> same
[22:18] <zleap> lol
[22:26] <Azelphur_> is it just me or can you not join +r channels now like ##hardware
[22:26] <zleap> think so
[22:26] <Azelphur_> oh no, everyone is ghosting.
[22:26] <Azelphur_> hehe, freenodes having some hiccups right now :P
[22:27] <zleap> i remember that coming up on #dfey ##chans are not official channels or something can't remember exactly it was last year
[22:27] <shauno> I ain't afraid of no ghosts
[22:27] <brobostigon> lol
[22:28]  * brobostigon waves to make sure h is still here.
[22:28] <brobostigon> he*
[22:29]  * dwatkins waves back at brobostigon 
[22:29]  * brobostigon waves at dwatkins 
[22:30] <shauno> well, nap time for me.  have fun with the servers  (or lack of)
[22:30] <brobostigon> night shauno
[22:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Developer Summit Sponsorship Now Open! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open/
[22:36] <brobostigon> quadraphenia, itv4, 11pm. :)
[22:39] <HazRPG> errr... why am I suddenly get a back log of text before being booted
[22:39] <Azelphur> freenode is having breakage
[22:39] <AlanBell> HazRPG: I think they just nailed freenode back together
[22:40] <HazRPG> :P
[22:54] <HazRPG> shauno: just got myself a VPS :)
[22:54] <HazRPG> shauno: £15 a year
[22:54] <brobostigon> thats cheap.
[22:55] <HazRPG> yeah :)
[22:55] <HazRPG> using this link: http://stats.buysellads.com/click.go?z=1241503&b=548314&g=&s=&sw=2560&sh=1024&br=chrome,9,linux&r=0.5762228921521455&link=http://www.allsimple.net/lowendbox
[22:55] <HazRPG> or rather
[22:55] <HazRPG> www.allsimple.net/lowendbox
[22:55] <HazRPG> (lowendbox is the referral code I think)
[22:56] <brobostigon> ok,noted, will look at tmrw.
[22:57] <HazRPG> loads of others @ http://www.lowendbox.com/
[22:57] <HazRPG> its just a website a guy started originally as a blog to list cheap VPS sites :)
[22:57] <HazRPG> now he gets e-mails and offers to post up on his site :)
[22:57] <HazRPG> its pretty good
[22:59] <brobostigon> :)
[23:11] <HazRPG> wow, they gave me a long username >_<
[23:11] <HazRPG> I'll never remember that!
[23:19] <HazRPG> think it would be possible to change the username?
[23:19] <HazRPG> or at least make one I'll remember :/
[23:29] <brobostigon> nos da everyone.
[23:29] <HazRPG> having trouble signing in
[23:29] <HazRPG> to my vps
[23:29] <HazRPG> :(
[23:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh... catch ya later (sleep well)
[23:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good night,
[23:42] <popey_> 19:44:47 < HazRPG> hmm, just a thought - but shouldn't the landing page on the podcast site at least let you click the logo/title so that you can browse the rest of the site?
[23:42] <popey_> 19:44:57 < MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it should.  talk to popey :)
[23:42] <popey_> no, we're redisigning ths site :)
[23:42] <HazRPG> ah
[23:43] <HazRPG> you're an intelligent individual :)
[23:44] <HazRPG> is it possible to change my login details on the VPS I just got?
[23:44] <popey> heh, no clue
[23:45] <HazRPG> :(
[23:47]  * HazRPG doesn't like the prospect of being logged in as root
[23:48]  * HazRPG looks into creating users
[23:48] <HazRPG> its an ubuntu server
[23:53] <dwatkins> I imagine you would be well advised to start by creating a user, giving it sudo permission, making the root password really really strong, and maybe even disabling root logins and installing denyhosts for starters, HazRPG
[23:54] <HazRPG> dwatkins: hit the hammer on the nail with that one, that's exactly what I plan to do
[23:55] <dwatkins> HazRPG: then secure the system properly ;)
[23:55] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[23:56] <pr0ph3t> somebody mentioned earlier on that they used RDP to connect remotely to their ubuntu? Is that a good replacement or win/mac splashtop?
[23:56] <pr0ph3t> splashtop remote desktop that is
[23:57] <HazRPG> hmm, I mentioned at one point that I use RDP for my windows box
[23:57] <pr0ph3t> to control the ubuntu desktop remotely with audio
[23:57] <HazRPG> vnc would be what I use for ubuntu
[23:57] <pr0ph3t> do you get audio with that as well?
[23:57] <HazRPG> if I recall, yeah
[23:58] <HazRPG> depends on which client/server variant you use
[23:58] <HazRPG> vnc is essentially a protocol type
[23:58] <HazRPG> there's many different ones
[23:58] <HazRPG> ultraVNC comes to mind
[23:59] <pr0ph3t> server side?