[00:08] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks for the tweet!
[00:08] <pleia2> :)
[00:09] <nhaines> Hope to make that site far less ugly after Ubucon.  :)
[00:11] <pleia2> nhaines: how much do you know about /dev/dm-# things on raid systems
[00:11] <pleia2> dm-8 seems to have gone walkabout on one of my systems and it's giving me i/o errors that I'm not loving
[00:11] <pleia2> (I have dm-0 - dm-19 in fdisk, but no dm-8!)
[00:12] <nhaines> I know nothing of /dev/dm unfortunately!
[00:12] <pleia2> mysterious magical sauce
[00:24] <nhaines> I'm sad because I never did get an Ubuntu live CD to start that RAID-5 array.  :(
[00:24] <pleia2> :(
[00:24] <nhaines> But on my installed system it just worked.
[00:24] <nhaines> And with Fedora Core 13 and 14 it just works.  So there's a start, that's all I can say.  :)
[00:25] <pleia2> hmm, I guess I've never had to recover a raid5 array with a livecd
[00:26] <nhaines> Me either, but since a lot of customers seem to enjoy using RAID as a "backup" (which it is not) we get calls about it.
[00:26]  * pleia2 nods
[00:26]  * pleia2 also weeks @ raid5 as backup
[00:26] <nhaines> Somewhere on the Internet there's a rumor that Ubuntu CDs are a panacea.  :)
[00:26] <pleia2> weeps too!
[00:27] <pleia2> I prefer sysresccd
[00:27] <pleia2> but mostly because we do a lot of work with non-profits who run on old systems and the ubuntu livecd won't work
[00:27] <akk> Ubuntu desktop installs are notoriously anti-raid.
[00:28] <akk> I've seen several people try ubuntu, give up and go to another distro because they cared about raid.
[00:28] <nhaines> Alternate installer!
[00:28] <pleia2> yeah, I think you still need the alt installer for lvm too
[00:28] <akk> Yeah, told 'em that but by that point they're usually pretty frustrated and don't want to start over.
[00:29] <nhaines> Anyone who buys a 4TB or 8TB WD ShareSpace doesn't have a problem with getting a computer to run an Ubuntu Desktop CD on.
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> akk: RAID works perfectly on mine
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> You have to configure it with th Alt CD
[00:31] <nhaines> I told the last customer I walked through mounting half of a RAID-1 array that he could do the same trick with a Windows computer that wouldn't boot.  He was pretty excited about that.
[00:32] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Right, but by the time they find that out (after fighting with the livecd for a while) they don't want to start over.
[00:32] <akk> Like a lot of linux things, it works great if you know the secret ways to configure it. :)
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> akk: Thanks! I now knw what I'm going to write about today :)
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> windows in a VM with seamless intergration. http://imm.io/3TxO
[00:34] <nhaines> When I went over the mount command I told the customer "no news is good news", which he liked enough to write down in his notes.
[00:34] <iheartubuntu> gotta run. i think im done pleia2
[00:41] <pleia2> yay
[00:42] <akk> Good way of saying it, nhaines
[00:44] <nhaines> akk: he was happy to have been escalated and seemed pretty techy, so it was a pretty pleasant call.  I explained that command line Linux expects you to know what you're doing and it therefore does exactly what you say.
[00:44] <nhaines> Which is why if the command works, it just shows a prompt again.  You did something and it did it.  Only if there's an error are there messages.
[00:44] <nhaines> Then when he started to write in his notes I suggested "no news is good news" and he said he was going to write just that.  :)
[00:45] <akk> I"ve had to explain that to people too, but never thought about a catchy phrase like that. I'll use that next time!
[00:45] <nhaines> Catchy phrases make good mnemonics.  :)
[00:50] <pleia2> k, printing up 100 of these http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/ubuntu-ca-infosheet-bw.png
[00:50] <pleia2> on orange paper
[00:51] <pleia2> someone want to proof-read real quick before I hit the print button?
[00:52] <pleia2> hmm, community help wiki isn't strictly true, should be help.ubuntu.com/community
[00:57]  * pleia2 makes change and hits print
[04:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/MaverickRelease edited
[04:35] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts edited
[04:51] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[15:13] <sn9> i start driving to L.A. for SCaLE about 4 hours from now. any last-minute booth coordination?
[15:16] <sn9> if i am already offline by the time anyone can respond, my number again is (408)37-COMPU
[17:56] <pleia2> Flannel: thanks for passing my name along (amusingly akk and I are the same two that akgraner recommended to Francine)
[18:30] <iheartubuntu> Is the crew that are driving down to SCALE coming down tomorrow or friday?
[18:31] <pleia2> I'm not sure who is driving down, I guess MarkDude would be
[18:32] <iheartubuntu> a penguin in a car... sounds like an old 60s tv show
[18:32] <pleia2> grantbow and aaditya can't make it this time, I think he said a couple gidget kitchen people would be coming down
[18:32] <pleia2> heh :)
[18:32]  * iheartubuntu wonders how going to the bathroom works out for markdude
[18:33] <iheartubuntu> and youre flying? i'll be flying the freeways
[18:33] <iheartubuntu> probably crawling more like
[18:33] <pleia2> yeah, flying down late tomorrow night
[18:33] <iheartubuntu> so no Ubuntu CA table on friday?
[18:34] <pleia2> nope, the expo is only sat-sun
[18:55] <nhaines> But there will be an entire room dedicated to Ubuntu on Friday.
[18:57] <pleia2> ubucon \o/
[19:01]  * aaditya jelly
[19:36] <sn9> iheartubuntu: MarkDude is driving down with ryan singer on friday, and i will drive down in about an hour
[20:07] <iheartubuntu> thanks sn9 safe trip!
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> a buddy of mine works at a Lowes and said YES they use some form of linux, but he said the whole system is on  a locked mode. i was thinking of directing him to a terminal (if there is even one around and if it would even open for him) and have him key in some commands :)
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> maybe an lsb type command or something
[20:14] <iheartubuntu> curious if "lsb_release -a" would work on any linux terminal?
[20:18] <pleia2> it's a pretty common command (it works on redhat) but you have to have the package installed
[20:18] <pleia2> saying "work on any" is always tricky :)
[20:18] <pleia2> gentoo doesn't even have releases, for example
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> i forget all commands ive used :) there was one i would key in and it would give me a rundown on my machine... more detailed than lsb_release -a
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> like usb ports, etc
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> lusb
[20:19] <akk> Debian doesn't have /etc/lsb-release (the file), and doesn't install lsb_release the program by default.
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> was that it?
[20:20] <pleia2> lspci?
[20:20] <akk> lshard? there are lots of programs like that
[20:20] <akk> that all give somewhat different lists.
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> yah lspci was one of them
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> thanks
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> when he decides to quit he mi
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> nevermind :)
[20:21]  * iheartubuntu controls himself finally
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> it sounded like it was more of an intranet setup to me the way he described it
[20:22] <akk> Actually debian doesn't even have a package for lsb_release (maybe it's in some other package; our debian server doesn't have apt-file installed right now)
[20:23] <akk> oh, the package name is hyphenated, lsb-release
[20:23] <pleia2> it's lsb-release
[20:23] <pleia2> annoying - vs _
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> No command 'lsb-release' found, did you mean:
[20:23] <iheartubuntu>  Command 'lsb_release' from package 'lsb-release' (main)
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> lsb-release: command not found
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> but im ubuntu
[20:23] <pleia2> the package is lsb-release, the command is lsb_release :)
[20:24] <iheartubuntu> ohhh
[20:24]  * iheartubuntu said DUH really loud
[20:25]  * sn9 is running late
[20:26] <akk> quite confusing!
[20:27] <pleia2> I'm really glad debian.org is redesigned to look modern and professional, but I really don't like what they've done to the installer first page, it's so cartoony :(
[20:28] <pleia2> I mean, on a personal level it's really cute, but professionally not so much http://princessleia.com/temp/squeeze_ssh_install_01.png
[20:29]  * akk agrees, that's overly cartoony
[20:29] <akk> and not very polished looking ... not something that would win over users from other platforms.
[20:37] <iheartubuntu> looks like a NES game from the 80s :) Mike Tysons Debian Punchout!
[20:37] <pleia2> lol
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> is there a screenshot page? cant seem to find one on the debian site
[20:39] <pleia2> screenshot page?
[20:39] <pleia2> there is http://screenshots.debian.net/ but that's mostly for single application screenshots
[20:42] <iheartubuntu> some photos look like ubuntu
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> is there irc from terminal? like such thing as lirc?
[20:53] <sn9> lirc is for infrared
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> irssi
[20:53] <sn9> irssi ist gut
[20:54] <iheartubuntu> danke
[20:58] <idankeubuntu> looks like irssi works pretty good
[20:59] <iheartubuntu> now im talking to myself
[20:59] <pleia2> I've been using it for years, wouldn't dream of using anything else!
[20:59] <idankeubuntu> thanks cant be good (talking to oneself)
[20:59] <iheartubuntu> wait, you use irssi all the time? even right now?
[20:59] <pleia2> yes
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> does it have logging?
[21:00] <pleia2> yep
[21:00] <iheartubuntu> does it highlight names like idankeubuntu if i use it
[21:00] <pleia2> yes
[21:00] <pleia2> and you can configure it to highlight anything you want
[21:00] <pleia2> I have highlights on "leia" "lyz" and some others
[21:01] <iheartubuntu> do you have a link to it or you just head to terminal and type it in
[21:01] <pleia2> 13:01:35 Irssi uptime: 251d 18h 35m 10s
[21:01] <pleia2> I don't start it very often
[21:01] <pleia2> I run it in a screen session on my server
[21:02] <iheartubuntu> OMG
[21:02] <pleia2> so I ssh to my server, screen -r
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> so average users (didnt say below average at least) are not going to have a 3/4 of a year uptime. i just open pidgin or xchat if im really bored.
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> you use irssi because its easier? familiar?
[21:04] <pleia2> I'm a command line nerd, and IRC is text-based, makes sense to me to use a text-based client
[21:04] <pleia2> it's pretty easy, uses perl for scripts, very configurable, I can connect to it from anywhere via ssh
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> i might leave my system going once i get a laptop. for now my desktop is a power hog at home. i can see this working awesome on older computers too
[21:06] <iheartubuntu> wow ive learned and done something new today :)
[21:06] <akk> And small screens, since there's no UI stealing screen space from the text.
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> thanks for the help all. have to go for now.
[21:09] <pleia2> take care
[22:48] <iheartubuntu> pleia2, you are headed to budepest in may? im not really a dev, could i benefit at all?
[22:49] <jtatum> ask not what uds can do for you. ask what you can do for ubuntu
[22:50] <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, Yes.
[22:50] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: if I get sponsorship I'm going, you can check out schedules from past UDSes to see if anything sparks your interest: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> more on the lines of... is going to UDS right for me and right for ubuntu?
[22:50] <pleia2> I do debian packaging, but the technical sessions I attend tend to be limited to the ubuntu-debian relationship and some major policy things, most of what I do there is community work
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> i used to program yahoo widgets before i switched to ubuntu. im still trying to fgure out where i fit in i think. i can do some programming, but ive got a world to learn basically. one thing id really like to focus on is creating debs of programs i come across that have no debs
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> tons of apps without install debs out there
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> ive read through tips on creating debs and i get lost too easy
[22:53] <pleia2> the learning curve is pretty steep
[22:53] <pleia2> but there are tools out there to make it easier
[22:53] <pleia2> the developer summit is more broad than individual packages though, a lot of wider policy discussions
[22:54] <pleia2> whether they be strictly technical or things like "what default $x app should we have"
[22:54] <jtatum> it's not really an educational event, it's more for face to face decision making and task assignments
[22:55] <pleia2> you may consider attending remotely for your first UDS, then in October if you're interested fly to the next (probably) US domestic UDS
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> would make for a nice b-day gift for my wife to head to budapest. she can shop, i can drop (in to UDS)
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> ok i will have to read through the links
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> UDS is where selections for base apps get picked like banshee over rhythmbox? that type of stuff?
[22:57] <pleia2> it's discussed, sometimes decisions are made
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> so this is totally different than say the expo coming up
[22:58] <jtatum> there aren't that many of that sort of decision honestly.. but yes that's a small part of it
[22:58] <pleia2> it depends on how much representation is there for particular projects, if a lot of the core devs are together it may make sense to make formal decisions, if not they may have some discussions and then take it to the mailing list
[22:58] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: oh yes, very different
[22:58] <pleia2> the expo is an educational and social event for users
[22:58] <pleia2> UDS is for people who make ubuntu (and the ubuntu community) happen
[22:59] <jtatum> discussing and planning the work for the next release
[23:01] <iheartubuntu> Jono's new blog post says "You don’t have to be technical, or be a programmer or packager to attend – UDS is open to everyone (including non-Ubuntu folks) and free to attend. We encourage everyone with an interest in Ubuntu to attend."
[23:02] <pleia2> doh, looks like ryan singer isn't coming to scale
[23:02] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: oh yes, everyone is welcome :)
[23:02] <pleia2> your question was whether you'd benefit from it, which only you can really answer
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> i want to contribute. i also want to learn so i can give back as well.
[23:07] <pleia2> had a fedora dev friend of mine come out to the one in brussels, he seemed to enjoy it
[23:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Ted Gould is going to talk about contributing to Unity on Friday. http://ubucon.org/scale/scale9x/sessions.html#unityTG
[23:09] <nhaines> It might give you an idea about how contributing can work.
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> nhaines :) thanks im just reading that now on the ubucon page
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> hoping there was an "ubuntu hour" talk
[23:10] <pleia2> jdeslip's talk will probably be useful too
[23:29] <jdeslip> All the talks looked pretty good
[23:29] <iheartubuntu> BTW - the Hotel Corinthia in Budapest looks amazing.
[23:29] <jdeslip> except DarwkingDucks... who cares about KDE? seriously... ;)
[23:29] <iheartubuntu> ouch! :)
[23:31] <pleia2> jdeslip: +1
[23:31] <pleia2> :D
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> and the UDS is held at the hotel it looks like
[23:31] <pleia2> that's what I say when people ask me about Ubuntu Women "Well I don't care about KDE and for some reason they're still around too!"
[23:31] <pleia2> ;)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> that would be quite amazing to interact with ubuntu devs and users from all around the world.
[23:32]  * iheartubuntu is patient with wife using ubuntu. slowly but surely.
[23:32] <jdeslip> pleia2: lol :)
[23:58] <iheartubuntu> my wife likes MS money for doing our finances. I found out a couple years ago MS money was shutting down and would no longer be sold or maintained. she is now starting to feel the effects. error messages are popping up on Money and downloading of transactions are starting to have problems.
[23:58] <iheartubuntu> ive been trying to get her to switch to ubuntu for a while now... kmymoney looks about the best replacement
[23:59] <iheartubuntu> knowing her i think she will hold out until money starts smoking and catches fire. she'll keep trying until it no longer works entirely.