[06:01] <inetpro> good morning
[06:09]  * nlsthzn waves
[06:11] <maiatoday> o/
[07:05] <nlsthzn> cheers for eers :p
[07:11] <afrodeity> maaz: fresh coffee please
[07:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: Excuse me?
[07:11] <afrodeity> maaz: put some coffee on
[07:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: Sorry...
[07:12] <afrodeity> afrodeity: what happened, you joined a union?
[07:12] <afrodeity> maaz: what happened, you joined a union:
[07:12] <Maaz> afrodeity: Sorry...
[07:12] <afrodeity> maaz: understandable, I would be sorry too
[07:12] <Maaz> afrodeity: Got it
[07:46] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[07:55] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:32] <linuxboy> Kilos: tell me about your MBR problems
[08:32] <linuxboy> Kilos: you say there are no linux tools to fix it
[08:33] <linuxboy> Kilos: but grub writes to the MBR
[08:33] <Kilos> sorry linuxboy was busy cleaning onions
[08:34] <Kilos> grub links to the mbr as far as i understand
[08:34] <Kilos> the basic mbr is in machine code
[08:34] <linuxboy> erm
[08:34] <linuxboy> no
[08:35] <Kilos> winsucks xp has a mbr and boot repair tool on the cd in recovery mode
[08:35] <Kilos> but then it locks it and it isnt ubuntu friendly
[08:36] <linuxboy> thats because windows installs its own boot loader into the MBR
[08:36] <Kilos> i used a live cd to look at what was on the boot sector and was lotsa ms stuff with locks on
[08:37] <linuxboy> can you explain that please?
[08:37] <Kilos> ok
[08:37] <Kilos> here goes
[08:38] <Kilos> i used ubuntu live cd to open the drive and in  hd0 id0 was some msoft files with locks showing
[08:38] <linuxboy> whats a lock?
[08:39] <Kilos> padlock
[08:39] <Kilos> picdture of a padlock on
[08:39] <Kilos> picture
[08:39] <linuxboy> so there is a picture of a padlock in your MBR?
[08:39] <Kilos> on some of the files
[08:40] <linuxboy> which files?
[08:40] <Kilos> there are maybe 10 files in there
[08:40] <Kilos> i forget but win stuff
[08:40] <linuxboy> i think you don't understand what an MBR is
[08:40] <Kilos> when the drive packs up again i will write them down
[08:41] <Kilos> yes its the first sector of the drive
[08:41] <Kilos> hd0 ID0 sector0
[08:42] <Kilos> 512kB
[08:42] <linuxboy> so why don't you back it up and restore it when your drive breaks?
[08:42] <linuxboy> (512 bytes btw)
[08:43] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that without using the ubcd and i get lost on that too
[08:43] <Kilos> oh yes ty
[08:43] <linuxboy> 07:48 < Kilos> but no linux tool specifically for repairing it
[08:43] <linuxboy> there are tools for that
[08:43] <Kilos> oh
[08:43] <Kilos> pray tell
[08:44] <linuxboy> in fact, grub writes to the MBR
[08:44] <Kilos> yes if there is a good mbr there first
[08:45] <linuxboy> no, grub lives *in* the mbr
[08:45] <Kilos> it looks like it is split mbr and boot
[08:46] <Kilos> with the xp recovery mode you have to tell it fixmbr and fixboot
[08:46] <Kilos> without the fixboot you cant install ubuntu alongside even
[08:46] <linuxboy> what does fixboot do?
[08:47] <Kilos> and i dont want windows near me
[08:47] <Kilos> fixboot writes a new boot sector
[08:47] <Kilos> fixmbr writes a new mbr
[08:48] <Kilos> i am sure they are apart from each other with links between them
[08:50] <Kilos> i am not sure if links is the right word. maybe bindings or hooks
[08:53] <linuxboy> have you tried just reinstall grub?
[08:56] <Kilos> yip
[08:56] <linuxboy> and...?
[08:56] <Kilos> if i remeber correctly it actually says unable to write to mbr
[08:57] <linuxboy> does it give you an error code?
[08:57] <Kilos> yeah but i didnt write that down
[08:57] <Kilos> will next time
[08:57] <Kilos> 135 or something
[08:57] <Kilos> i dont remember well
[08:58] <linuxboy> did you run fdisk to see if the partition table was intact?
[08:59] <Kilos> i did fdisk from windows 98
[08:59] <linuxboy> linux fdisk
[08:59] <linuxboy> windows fdisk isn't cool
[08:59] <Kilos> it said no os installed
[08:59] <Kilos> i need to learn the linux one still
[08:59] <linuxboy> try that out first
[09:00] <Kilos> but i did fdisk /mbr from 98 and now got ubuntu installed
[09:00] <linuxboy> i think the problem you're having can be fixed with grub/fdisk
[09:00] <Kilos> so now ubuntu has install grub to where it must go
[09:01] <Kilos> i will try that next time
[09:01] <Kilos> where can i find the linux fdisk commands
[09:01] <linuxboy> if you strggle with fdisk, try cfdisk
[09:01] <Kilos> man fdisk?
[09:01] <linuxboy> have you tried that?
[09:02] <Kilos> i think i did try cfdisk but i lost in the use of it because i dont know what to enter then
[09:03] <Kilos> same as initsys there a list of commands in help but i dont see install there or mbr or grub
[09:04] <linuxboy> I'm struggling to understand what you're saying
[09:06] <linuxboy> remember that windows and linux are different
[09:06] <linuxboy> fdisk in windows can install teh windows bootloader
[09:06] <linuxboy> but in linux you have to use the bootloader of your choice to install it
[09:06] <linuxboy> bah
[09:28] <Kilos> sorry linuxboy xchat crashed. thats why i am trying to get the other drive going again
[09:28] <linuxboy> what does xchat crashing have to do with your drive?
[09:29] <froztbyte> that's two statements that he just had side-by-side
[09:29] <linuxboy> ah
[09:29] <froztbyte> "<reason for disappearance>, <what I was trying to accomplish>"
[09:30] <Kilos> its something in karmic thats letting apps crash on and off
[09:30] <Kilos> lol hi froztbyte 
[09:31] <froztbyte> \o
[09:31] <Kilos> i am not sure if its bindings or what but even evolution and pidgin disappear as well
[09:31] <Kilos> i looked all over at the bugs in launchpad i think but cant get it to stop crashing
[09:32] <Kilos> update manager and synaptic do it as well
[09:32] <linuxboy> i doubt it is teh problem, but have you run a memory test?
[09:33] <Kilos> must i do that from the live cd?
[09:33] <linuxboy> yeah
[09:33] <linuxboy> or reboot
[09:33] <linuxboy> its in the grub menu
[09:33] <linuxboy> its worth a try
[09:33] <Kilos> how do i stop booting at the grub menu 
[09:33] <Kilos> even in recovery mode
[09:34] <Kilos> i need to pull the power 3 or 4 times to get there
[13:16] <marcog> spam on the ML :(
[13:30] <marcog> defaul ff 4 theme how has dark tabs :(
[13:31] <marcog> makes most favicons look odd
[13:55] <nlsthzn> had a lol on the mailing list... is it possible someone is using windows :p
[13:58] <marcog> "Now using Ubuntu Linux Desktop 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat""
[13:59] <Symmetria> ULLO!
[13:59] <Symmetria> who's awake
[13:59] <Owkkuri> OLLO Symmetria
[13:59]  * Symmetria has been drinking cachaa all night
[14:00]  * Symmetria is slightly wasted and highly recommends that as a good drink
[14:00] <Symmetria> :P
[14:05] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:06] <nlsthzn> I have been all over OS wise again... but as pretty and awesome as KDE 4.6 is neiter 10.10 or openSUSE 11.4 works without isues :(
[14:06] <nlsthzn> so now I am rocking kubuntu 10.04 for the first time... feel so old school :p
[14:06]  * Symmetria recommends os-x 
[14:07] <Symmetria> :P
[14:11] <nlsthzn> :) Symmetria is drunk so we excuse him :p
[14:12] <marcog> we'll start to worry when he recommends windows 3.1
[14:18] <Symmetria> nlsthzn heh, os-x is just bsd with a nicer frontend anyway
[14:19] <nlsthzn> Symmetria: ... that costs an arm and a leg and won't run on just any old hardware... plus PC-BSD's KDE offering is prettier ;)
[14:19] <Symmetria> umm arm and a leg? 250 bux? :P
[14:20] <Symmetria> and will run on most desktop pcs Ive used it on if you know how :P
[14:22] <nlsthzn> sounds like $250 to much
[14:23] <Symmetria> hey you get what you pay for :P
[14:24] <nlsthzn> ah, guess that is why I use Kubuntu :p
[14:26] <Symmetria> heh, ubuntu makes an awesome server
[14:26] <Symmetria> and I love my linux servers
[14:26] <Symmetria> I just dont happen to believe they have yet to make a decent desktop :)
[14:29] <nlsthzn> guys that is something each user has to decide for themselves
[14:29] <Symmetria> *grin* I know Im just stirring dude
[14:29] <Symmetria> life is more fun with a big wooden spoon :)
[14:33] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:33] <nlsthzn> just had a lol at the reply on the mailing list, lee is pretty funny :D
[15:26] <Symmetria> ARGHHHHH
[15:26] <Symmetria> Cisco needs to be shot
[15:31] <froztbyte> yup
[15:42] <calijames> WAZZZZA
[15:42] <calijames> anyone here?
[15:43] <calijames> um
[15:44] <confluency> A couple of people, yes.
[15:44] <calijames> oh
[15:45] <calijames> so , like people leave these open all day?
[15:45] <calijames> and don't type?
[15:45] <confluency> Yup.
[15:45] <calijames> sorry, i am new to this irc thing
[15:45] <confluency> It's not quite the same model as IM.
[15:45] <calijames> so can i have a friends list or something
[15:45] <calijames> i know.
[15:45] <calijames> but it's cooler.
[15:46] <confluency> Not really, although there may be ways of getting notified when certain people join the server.  I've never attempted that.
[15:46] <confluency> In general everything revolves around these permanent "rooms".
[15:46] <confluency> You can also make temporary rooms if you want, but people don't often do that.
[15:47] <calijames> i just had de ja vu
[15:47] <calijames> weird
[15:49] <calijames> hi
[16:09] <FrenchGirl> Hello
[16:09] <FrenchGirl> Anyone here?
[16:09]  * nlsthzn lurks
[16:10] <FrenchGirl> Hello how are you?
[16:11] <nlsthzn> I am ok... how are you?
[16:11] <FrenchGirl> Fine thanks
[16:11] <FrenchGirl> Are you from South Africa?
[16:14] <nlsthzn> I am... and you?
[16:16] <FrenchGirl> I'm from France
[16:16] <FrenchGirl> In which city are you in SA?
[16:16] <FrenchGirl> :)
[16:17]  * nlsthzn wonders what FrenchGirl is doing on channel #ubuntu-za?
[16:17] <FrenchGirl> Hum
[16:17] <FrenchGirl> I know a guy living in Cape Town ...
[16:18] <FrenchGirl> and studying there as well
[16:19] <nlsthzn> Cool... 
[16:19] <FrenchGirl> Are you also in Cape Town?
[16:21] <nlsthzn> Nope
[16:22] <FrenchGirl> Sorry for disturbing
[16:23] <nlsthzn> np... SA is a very hugh country with +- 50 million people ;)
[16:23] <FrenchGirl> Hallo hoe gaan dit?
[16:23] <FrenchGirl> :D
[16:25] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:26] <FrenchGirl> Praat jy Engels?
[16:26] <FrenchGirl> :P
[16:32] <nlsthzn> bilingual
[16:32] <nlsthzn> btw, just stumbled apon http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ ... looks pretty interesting 
[16:33] <FrenchGirl> What's that?
[16:34] <nlsthzn> lol, just a link that some peeps on this channel might enjoy...
[16:42] <Morganvd> evening all
[16:42] <FrenchGirl> Hello
[17:14] <Kilos> evening all
[17:14] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:14]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:14]  * Kilos wonders where inetpro  is
[17:15]  * nlsthzn waves at Kilos
[17:15] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[17:15] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:16] <Kilos> :-)
[17:16] <Kilos> hehe
[17:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[17:19] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm here
[19:17] <inetpro> but perhaps just for the moment
[19:18] <inetpro> wind and thunderstorm might kill the connection
[19:18] <inetpro> hmm... there goes kil[tab] already