[06:01] good morning [06:09] * nlsthzn waves [06:11] o/ [07:05] cheers for eers :p [07:11] maaz: fresh coffee please [07:11] afrodeity: Excuse me? [07:11] maaz: put some coffee on [07:11] afrodeity: Sorry... [07:12] afrodeity: what happened, you joined a union? [07:12] maaz: what happened, you joined a union: [07:12] afrodeity: Sorry... [07:12] maaz: understandable, I would be sorry too [07:12] afrodeity: Got it [07:46] morning superfly and everyone else [07:55] hi Kilos [08:32] Kilos: tell me about your MBR problems [08:32] Kilos: you say there are no linux tools to fix it [08:33] Kilos: but grub writes to the MBR [08:33] sorry linuxboy was busy cleaning onions [08:34] grub links to the mbr as far as i understand [08:34] the basic mbr is in machine code [08:34] erm [08:34] no [08:35] winsucks xp has a mbr and boot repair tool on the cd in recovery mode [08:35] but then it locks it and it isnt ubuntu friendly [08:36] thats because windows installs its own boot loader into the MBR [08:36] i used a live cd to look at what was on the boot sector and was lotsa ms stuff with locks on [08:37] can you explain that please? [08:37] ok [08:37] here goes [08:38] i used ubuntu live cd to open the drive and in hd0 id0 was some msoft files with locks showing [08:38] whats a lock? [08:39] padlock [08:39] picdture of a padlock on [08:39] picture [08:39] so there is a picture of a padlock in your MBR? [08:39] on some of the files [08:40] which files? [08:40] there are maybe 10 files in there [08:40] i forget but win stuff [08:40] i think you don't understand what an MBR is [08:40] when the drive packs up again i will write them down [08:41] yes its the first sector of the drive [08:41] hd0 ID0 sector0 [08:42] 512kB [08:42] so why don't you back it up and restore it when your drive breaks? [08:42] (512 bytes btw) [08:43] i dunno how to do that without using the ubcd and i get lost on that too [08:43] oh yes ty [08:43] 07:48 < Kilos> but no linux tool specifically for repairing it [08:43] there are tools for that [08:43] oh [08:43] pray tell [08:44] in fact, grub writes to the MBR [08:44] yes if there is a good mbr there first [08:45] no, grub lives *in* the mbr [08:45] it looks like it is split mbr and boot [08:46] with the xp recovery mode you have to tell it fixmbr and fixboot [08:46] without the fixboot you cant install ubuntu alongside even [08:46] what does fixboot do? [08:47] and i dont want windows near me [08:47] fixboot writes a new boot sector [08:47] fixmbr writes a new mbr [08:48] i am sure they are apart from each other with links between them [08:50] i am not sure if links is the right word. maybe bindings or hooks [08:53] have you tried just reinstall grub? [08:56] yip [08:56] and...? [08:56] if i remeber correctly it actually says unable to write to mbr [08:57] does it give you an error code? [08:57] yeah but i didnt write that down [08:57] will next time [08:57] 135 or something [08:57] i dont remember well [08:58] did you run fdisk to see if the partition table was intact? [08:59] i did fdisk from windows 98 [08:59] linux fdisk [08:59] windows fdisk isn't cool [08:59] it said no os installed [08:59] i need to learn the linux one still [08:59] try that out first [09:00] but i did fdisk /mbr from 98 and now got ubuntu installed [09:00] i think the problem you're having can be fixed with grub/fdisk [09:00] so now ubuntu has install grub to where it must go [09:01] i will try that next time [09:01] where can i find the linux fdisk commands [09:01] if you strggle with fdisk, try cfdisk [09:01] man fdisk? [09:01] have you tried that? [09:02] i think i did try cfdisk but i lost in the use of it because i dont know what to enter then [09:03] same as initsys there a list of commands in help but i dont see install there or mbr or grub [09:04] I'm struggling to understand what you're saying [09:06] remember that windows and linux are different [09:06] fdisk in windows can install teh windows bootloader [09:06] but in linux you have to use the bootloader of your choice to install it [09:06] bah [09:28] sorry linuxboy xchat crashed. thats why i am trying to get the other drive going again [09:28] what does xchat crashing have to do with your drive? [09:29] that's two statements that he just had side-by-side [09:29] ah [09:29] ", " [09:30] its something in karmic thats letting apps crash on and off [09:30] lol hi froztbyte [09:31] \o [09:31] i am not sure if its bindings or what but even evolution and pidgin disappear as well [09:31] i looked all over at the bugs in launchpad i think but cant get it to stop crashing [09:32] update manager and synaptic do it as well [09:32] i doubt it is teh problem, but have you run a memory test? [09:33] must i do that from the live cd? [09:33] yeah [09:33] or reboot [09:33] its in the grub menu [09:33] its worth a try [09:33] how do i stop booting at the grub menu [09:33] even in recovery mode [09:34] i need to pull the power 3 or 4 times to get there === cocooncrash_ is now known as cocooncrash [13:16] spam on the ML :( [13:30] defaul ff 4 theme how has dark tabs :( [13:31] makes most favicons look odd [13:55] had a lol on the mailing list... is it possible someone is using windows :p [13:58] "Now using Ubuntu Linux Desktop 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat"" [13:59] ULLO! [13:59] who's awake [13:59] OLLO Symmetria [13:59] * Symmetria has been drinking cachaa all night [14:00] * Symmetria is slightly wasted and highly recommends that as a good drink [14:00] :P [14:05] :) [14:06] I have been all over OS wise again... but as pretty and awesome as KDE 4.6 is neiter 10.10 or openSUSE 11.4 works without isues :( [14:06] so now I am rocking kubuntu 10.04 for the first time... feel so old school :p [14:06] * Symmetria recommends os-x [14:07] :P [14:11] :) Symmetria is drunk so we excuse him :p [14:12] we'll start to worry when he recommends windows 3.1 [14:18] nlsthzn heh, os-x is just bsd with a nicer frontend anyway [14:19] Symmetria: ... that costs an arm and a leg and won't run on just any old hardware... plus PC-BSD's KDE offering is prettier ;) [14:19] umm arm and a leg? 250 bux? :P [14:20] and will run on most desktop pcs Ive used it on if you know how :P [14:22] sounds like $250 to much [14:23] hey you get what you pay for :P [14:24] ah, guess that is why I use Kubuntu :p [14:26] heh, ubuntu makes an awesome server [14:26] and I love my linux servers [14:26] I just dont happen to believe they have yet to make a decent desktop :) [14:29] guys that is something each user has to decide for themselves [14:29] *grin* I know Im just stirring dude [14:29] life is more fun with a big wooden spoon :) [14:33] :p [14:33] just had a lol at the reply on the mailing list, lee is pretty funny :D [15:26] ARGHHHHH [15:26] Cisco needs to be shot [15:31] yup [15:42] WAZZZZA [15:42] anyone here? [15:43] um [15:44] A couple of people, yes. [15:44] oh [15:45] so , like people leave these open all day? [15:45] and don't type? [15:45] Yup. [15:45] sorry, i am new to this irc thing [15:45] It's not quite the same model as IM. [15:45] so can i have a friends list or something [15:45] i know. [15:45] but it's cooler. [15:46] Not really, although there may be ways of getting notified when certain people join the server. I've never attempted that. [15:46] In general everything revolves around these permanent "rooms". [15:46] You can also make temporary rooms if you want, but people don't often do that. [15:47] i just had de ja vu [15:47] weird [15:49] hi [16:09] Hello [16:09] Anyone here? [16:09] * nlsthzn lurks [16:10] Hello how are you? [16:11] I am ok... how are you? [16:11] Fine thanks [16:11] Are you from South Africa? [16:14] I am... and you? [16:16] I'm from France [16:16] In which city are you in SA? [16:16] :) [16:17] * nlsthzn wonders what FrenchGirl is doing on channel #ubuntu-za? [16:17] Hum [16:17] I know a guy living in Cape Town ... [16:18] and studying there as well [16:19] Cool... [16:19] Are you also in Cape Town? [16:21] Nope [16:22] Sorry for disturbing [16:23] np... SA is a very hugh country with +- 50 million people ;) [16:23] Hallo hoe gaan dit? [16:23] :D [16:25] :) [16:26] Praat jy Engels? [16:26] :P [16:32] bilingual [16:32] btw, just stumbled apon http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ ... looks pretty interesting [16:33] What's that? [16:34] lol, just a link that some peeps on this channel might enjoy... [16:42] evening all [16:42] Hello [17:14] evening all [17:14] Maaz, coffee on [17:14] * Maaz washes some mugs [17:14] * Kilos wonders where inetpro is [17:15] * nlsthzn waves at Kilos [17:15] hiya nlsthzn [17:15] :) [17:16] :-) [17:16] hehe [17:18] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:19] Maaz, gracias amigo [17:19] ¡de nada compadre [19:17] Kilos: I'm here [19:17] but perhaps just for the moment [19:18] wind and thunderstorm might kill the connection [19:18] hmm... there goes kil[tab] already