| Quintasan | ScottK, Riddell: Is there any possibilty do run tests requiring running X session in buildd's? | 00:18 |
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| ScottK | Quintasan: Yes. Using xvfb. | 02:23 |
| Daskreech | Does anyone use the netbook workspace? | 02:27 |
| Daskreech | have you ever tried the lock buttong? | 02:27 |
| Daskreech | Button? | 02:27 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: WFM. | 02:27 |
| Daskreech | Hmm | 02:27 |
| Daskreech | ok | 02:27 |
| ScottK | I'll try it again later, I'm on my laptop now. | 02:27 |
| Daskreech | ok | 02:28 |
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| ScottK | Daskreech: Verified working here. | 05:36 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: Thanks | 05:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK, Daskreech: that feature will not work if krunner is not running | 05:45 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: orly? | 05:45 |
| apachelogger | locking is managed by krunner whereas shutdown is handled by the kde session manager | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | why krunner would not be running I do not know though | 05:46 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: do we have unbroken kde on arm yet? ;) | 05:46 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: Any reasoning behind that? | 05:48 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: why krunner is not running? | 05:50 |
| Daskreech | Why Krunner is the owner of that task instead of the session manager | 05:51 |
| apachelogger | because it got nothing to do with session management really ;) | 05:51 |
| apachelogger | session management = in or out, not lock | 05:51 |
| Daskreech | ok | 05:52 |
| Daskreech | why is krunner = lock? | 05:52 |
| Daskreech | Does it also do user switching? | 05:52 |
| apachelogger | yes | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | type lock in krunner :P | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | or new session | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | although actually I am not entirely sure about new session | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | krunner is at least invovled because it also locks on new sessin | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | +o | 05:53 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: I also type in Shutdown when I want to shutdown in krunner | 05:53 |
| apachelogger | that calls out to ksmserver though | 05:54 |
| Daskreech | I wouldn't expect that because I start somethien with Krunner it's inextricably linked | 05:54 |
| Daskreech | Most people start Ksysguard from krunner but it's more linked to kwin than it is krunner | 05:54 |
| Daskreech | anything else that krunner controls ? | 05:54 |
| apachelogger | it doesnt control it, it just handles the request | 05:55 |
| Daskreech | I'm more likely to have krunner on than plasma so I'm not really bothered much by it | 05:55 |
| apachelogger | but let me look at the codez to make sure I am not telling bogus stories here | 05:56 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: locking is definitely handled by krunner, which provides the dbus interface for screenlocking it woudl appear | 06:02 |
| apachelogger | the actual locking is done by kscreenlocker | 06:02 |
| Daskreech | ok | 06:02 |
| apachelogger | (which actually is part of krunner source though) | 06:02 |
| Daskreech | ha ha ok | 06:02 |
| Daskreech | thanks | 06:02 |
| apachelogger | shutdown operations are handled by the ksmserver | 06:03 |
| Daskreech | that I expect | 06:03 |
| apachelogger | new session is also handled by krunner but actually carried out by kdm | 06:03 |
| apachelogger | so krunner just interfaces with shutdown/new session but provides locking | 06:04 |
| apachelogger | supposedly because locking is a rather simple task and not worth getting its own independent service | 06:04 |
| apachelogger | whereas session management also includes stuff like session restoration and app killing on exit | 06:05 |
| apachelogger | and well, the new session stuff needs to be handled by kdm anyway as it requires starting a new X, which only the desktop manager can do | 06:05 |
| * apachelogger notes that locking is actually done via the same interface as starting the screensaver | 06:06 | |
| apachelogger | and that interface is a freedesktop one it would appear :D | 06:06 |
| apachelogger | org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver | 06:06 |
| * apachelogger did not know that | 06:07 | |
| maco | two computers i regularly interact with are broken for locking | 06:07 |
| maco | my laptop doesnt unlock | 06:07 |
| maco | and my desktop at work doesnt lock! | 06:07 |
| maco | well, i can force it too, if i call the binary directly with --force | 06:07 |
| maco | but the button doesnt work | 06:07 |
| apachelogger | maco: is krunner runner? | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | what button actually? | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | unlocking is probably a PAM issue btw | 06:08 |
| maco | apachelogger: the logout/shutdown plasmoid i put in the panel | 06:08 |
| maco | or the logout button when i type it into the plasma netbook launcher | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | yeah, that wont work if krunner is not running | 06:08 |
| maco | ooooh | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | see above :P | 06:09 |
| maco | krunner doesnt run by default in 10.10 | 06:09 |
| maco | at least not on plasma netbook | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | sounds like a bug | 06:09 |
| * apachelogger only has a 11.04 netbook these days | 06:09 | |
| apachelogger | maco: surely SRUworthy | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | given that we have the shutdown/lock applet in the netbook by default | 06:10 |
| maco | i dont think an sru could fix it | 06:10 |
| apachelogger | well | 06:10 |
| apachelogger | depends on why it is not started ;) | 06:10 |
| maco | because its not in autostart | 06:10 |
| apachelogger | so why could we not SRU that? | 06:10 |
| maco | all you have to do is go toggle the checkbox | 06:10 |
| maco | because autostart settings are per-user | 06:10 |
| maco | so i guess an sru could fix it if you create a new user after installing updates | 06:10 |
| apachelogger | eh? | 06:11 |
| apachelogger | why is it turned off for the user? | 06:11 |
| apachelogger | that does not even make sense :O | 06:11 |
| apachelogger | maco: any clues where that is coming from? | 06:13 |
| * apachelogger suspects ubiquity | 06:13 | |
| maco | apachelogger: system settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart | 06:13 |
| apachelogger | well yes | 06:13 |
| apachelogger | but by default (meaning upstream) krunner is not in there | 06:13 |
| apachelogger | the only way it would show up in there is if the krunner.desktop file for autostart is in .local/share/autostart | 06:14 |
| apachelogger | which should not be the case unless the user actually put it there | 06:14 |
| maco | oh hmmm | 06:14 |
| apachelogger | (usually kde autostart services are /usr/share/kde4/autostart) | 06:14 |
| maco | yeah im looking on my plasma-desktop laptop, and its not listed in htere yet krunner is running | 06:14 |
| apachelogger | expected default behaviour | 06:15 |
| apachelogger | maco: was that a straight install of 10.10 or upgrade? | 06:15 |
| maco | straight install | 06:15 |
| apachelogger | hm | 06:15 |
| apachelogger | absolutely weird | 06:15 |
| maco | there's no /usr/share/kde4/autostart on this natty machine | 06:15 |
| apachelogger | whoops | 06:16 |
| apachelogger | /usr/share/autostart | 06:16 |
| apachelogger | sry | 06:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Not afaik. | 06:57 |
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| bambee | morning | 09:01 |
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| Riddell | Quintasan: no you can't run X in the build daemons | 09:58 |
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| Quintasan | Riddell: Urgh, is that reason good enough so we can skip tests in qtmobility? | 10:05 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Good morning anyways | 10:05 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: worth a shot :) | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | who makes tests that fail without X? :O | 10:06 |
| Quintasan | Well then, to the bug report! | 10:06 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: qt-mobility | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | silly | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | absolutely silly | 10:07 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: They want an working X session :O | 10:07 |
| Quintasan | s/working/running | 10:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: hey!! apachelogger has a bigger laptop than mine :P | 11:01 |
| debfx | bug #400851 still needs SRU verification on lucid | 11:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 400851 in kdesudo (Ubuntu Maverick) "kdesudo fails with non-ascii passwords" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400851 | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: whut? | 11:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | uh .. eh .. my facebook is all broken | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | are we having a size contest? :O | 11:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | probably because Apple is launching a new MBP | 11:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: dude, your laptop was HUGE | 11:04 |
| * apachelogger likes big things | 11:04 | |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFpq9WXbJo&feature=player_embedded | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | pr0n? | 11:06 |
| debfx | Quintasan: do the tests that don't require X pass? | 12:05 |
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| Quintasan | debfx: then no point doing tests | 12:16 |
| debfx | Quintasan: why? some tests are better than no tests | 12:17 |
| bambee | a core dev could merge this patch for me in lp:language-selector ? http://paste.kde.org/5743/ | 12:25 |
| bambee | as I said in the changelog, on tab change it disable and uncheck "installable components" which otherwise is confusing | 12:25 |
| bambee | disables * / unchecks * | 12:26 |
| Riddell | debfx: looks like our pyqt ARM problems are from dropping qreal_float_support.patch when it wasn't upstream | 12:35 |
| debfx | Riddell: doh, no idea what made me think it was upstream :/ | 12:46 |
| Riddell | debfx: quilt can be confusing like that | 12:49 |
| Quintasan | Riddell, debfx: bug #676512 closed | 12:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 676512 in qtmobility (Ubuntu Natty) "MIR qtmobility" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676512 | 12:51 |
| Quintasan | I'll look at upstream's packaging later and see what the hell they are doing there | 12:53 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: yay, thanks for doing that | 12:55 |
| Quintasan | cool | 12:55 |
| Quintasan | sponsorship request filled in | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: :) | 12:58 |
| debfx | Riddell: the current qtwebkit snapshot is from the qtwebkit-2.1.x branch, right? | 13:05 |
| Riddell | debfx: yes | 13:06 |
| debfx | aha, symbian is the only officially supported platform for 2.1, that's why they haven't backported the linux crash fix | 13:12 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: But he wasn't listing all the time. Must be that fresh mountain air in Austria. | 13:14 |
| Riddell | debfx: ug, that's really worrying | 13:18 |
| Riddell | debfx: where do you get that? | 13:19 |
| debfx | Riddell: http://qtwebkit.blogspot.com/2011/02/week-05-updates-on-qtwebkit-stable.html | 13:43 |
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| Riddell | debfx: hmm | 13:45 |
| jjesse | a | 13:47 |
| Riddell | debfx: we should probably talk to upstream about what we should ship | 13:47 |
| debfx | indeed | 13:50 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: which qtwebkit versions does rekonq support? | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: more like, what kdewebkit versions :) | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: we depend on KDE 4.5 right now ... so whatever kdewebkit version was shipped with that | 14:04 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: well kdewebkit is just a wrapper around qtwebkit, right? | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: sort of ... more like overloaded qtwebkit function | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | i've never gotten the term wrapper classes around my head | 14:05 |
| debfx | so it doesn't have any qtwebkit version requirements? | 14:12 |
| shadeslayer | well | 14:15 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: it also depends on Qt 4.6 | 14:15 |
| shadeslayer | so you could call that a requirement | 14:15 |
| shadeslayer | but no qtwebkit requirements as such | 14:15 |
| bambee | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/WebKit/Library => apparently a kde binding for a better integration of webkit in kde | 14:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: FYI, currently raising a ruckus in the ubuntu-arm meeting re gcc 4.5 and Qt. | 15:18 |
| debfx | Riddell: "2.1 is targeted at symbian and is not being activelly tested on other platforms." | 15:18 |
| debfx | so I guess we're going to ship 2.1~really2.0 | 15:19 |
| ScottK | 2.1~really2.0becausenokiaonlycaresaboutsymbian | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | aye ^^ | 15:23 |
| debfx | + non-existent release management | 15:28 |
| debfx | they haven't published a single qtwebkit tarball (except some weekly snapshot in the past) | 15:30 |
| debfx | there isn't even a tag for 2.0.1 | 15:33 |
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| ScottK | BTW, looks like we might have a fix for the kdebindings problem on armel. | 15:37 |
| agateau | Riddell: ping | 15:39 |
| agateau | Riddell: I am about to release a new dbusmenu-qt, | 15:39 |
| agateau | Riddell: it does not link to libQtXml anymore, do you think I need to bump the sonumber? | 15:40 |
| agateau | Riddell: nevermind, got answer from #kde-devel | 15:49 |
| ScottK | agateau: What was the answer? | 15:52 |
| agateau | ScottK: no need to bump the sonumber as long as it does not expose QtXml directly | 15:54 |
| ScottK | Makes sense. | 15:55 |
| agateau | ScottK: if an app used libQtXml but did not explicitly link to it, it may break though, but that is considered as a bug in the app | 15:55 |
| ScottK | agateau: Yes. That's definitely true. | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: did you get an action item out of it? | 16:09 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: It's in doko's hands now to fix gcc 4.5 (patch is available). | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Action item to doko in an arm meeting won't help. | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | ok | 16:10 |
| debfx | agateau: with the natty toolchain changes those apps fail to build anyway | 16:10 |
| ScottK | If it's not fixed next week, I'll bring it up at the platform team meeting (his boss runs that one). | 16:11 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^ | 16:11 |
| agateau | debfx: ok | 16:11 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ok :) | 16:11 |
| * apachelogger needs to get n900 platform integration into the archives :S | 16:11 | |
| ScottK | Not that his boss telling to do something actually results in something getting done on any consistent basis mind you, but it helps. | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: do you know anything about progress on mobile images from seed? | 16:12 |
| ScottK | Waiting for LP changes. I think Riddell knows about it. | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | mhh, lots of hold ups :/ | 16:13 |
| * apachelogger continues vlc hacking | 16:13 | |
| Riddell | agateau: what are you planning for n900? what are you waiting on? | 16:16 |
| agateau | Riddell: I guess you mean apachelogger | 16:17 |
| Riddell | wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/launchpad/kubuntu-mobile/+merge/49622 got merges, do you know why there isn't a kubuntu-mobile task on e.g. nodm? | 16:17 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 16:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what are you planning for n900? what are you waiting on? | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: waiting on images to clean them out, waiting for gcc to get working KDE | 16:18 |
| ScottK | Riddell, apachelogger: Is our n900 kernel in? I've lost track. | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: rejected | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | some ABI foo I believe | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | did not yet look into it | 16:19 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | maybe persia did? | 16:19 |
| ScottK | need to get on that then. | 16:19 |
| * apachelogger is busy polishing phonon backends for consolidation releases | 16:20 | |
| agateau | Riddell: new libdbusmenu-qt is out | 16:52 |
| agateau | Riddell: there are two interesting things for you: | 16:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: 1. no more depends on libQtXml | 16:53 |
| agateau | Riddell: 2. the kmenu title distro patch can be dropped | 16:53 |
| Riddell | agateau: kmenu title distro patch? | 17:05 |
| agateau | Riddell: you remember the story about dbusmenu-qt and copyright assignment, right? | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: could you mind poking your head in #kubuntu for a while if you're around? | 17:06 |
| agateau | Riddell: kmenu title was implemented by an external contributor, who declined to sign the ca | 17:06 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 17:06 |
| agateau | Riddell: so it was removed from upstream tarball and distro-patched back in | 17:06 |
| agateau | Riddell: I rewrote it so the feature is back upstream | 17:06 |
| agateau | in a intellectual-property-clean way | 17:06 |
| afiestas | shadeslayer: just join the channel, I'm working though so I may have some delay :p | 17:07 |
| shadeslayer | sure :) | 17:07 |
| ScottK | agateau: It was always intellectual property clean. What it was, was not ridiculous Canonicla internal policy clean. | 17:18 |
| agateau | ScottK: I am not allowed to say so on a public channel, but I may think this :) | 17:19 |
| ScottK | I understand. | 17:19 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You may want to join #kde-sysadmin. They're discussing tarball layout for 4.6.1. | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | lulz | 18:18 |
| * apachelogger hugs ScottK | 18:18 | |
| Riddell | new upstream tar setup for a stable release, makes me cry | 18:24 |
| Riddell | bambee: I uploaded l-s by the way | 18:25 |
| bambee | Riddell: thanks. arrf I opened a merge, I close it | 18:26 |
| Riddell | rbelem: I made some changes to kdenetwork/CMakeLists.txt and changed samba/filepropertiesplugin/sambausershareplugin.cpp to use PackageKit instead of KPackageKit, would be good if you could review | 18:27 |
| rbelem | Riddell: cool :-) | 18:27 |
| rbelem | Riddell: are they at git and svn? | 18:28 |
| rbelem | ops.. | 18:28 |
| rbelem | svn | 18:28 |
| rbelem | :-D | 18:28 |
| Riddell | svn | 18:29 |
| rbelem | Riddell: lets ask sysadmin guys to move the fileshare stuff to git | 18:29 |
| rbelem | what do you think? | 18:29 |
| Riddell | rbelem: it should stay with kdenetwork and make the change along with kdenetwork | 18:30 |
| rbelem | Riddell: oki | 18:30 |
| Riddell | no point separating it from there | 18:30 |
| * rbelem is git svn rebasing | 18:30 | |
| rbelem | brb | 18:33 |
| OchoZero9 | how do i get a second monitor hooked up to my laptop | 18:44 |
| OchoZero9 | ? | 18:44 |
| Riddell | OchoZero9: support in #kubuntu | 18:45 |
| OchoZero9 | Sorry I thought i was there | 18:46 |
| OchoZero9 | xchat cuts half the channel off | 18:46 |
| debfx | hm why is libkutils4 a "transitional package" but still contains libkutils.so.4.6.0 | 18:46 |
| debfx | ah the library is kept for ABI stability | 18:47 |
| Riddell | debfx: yes I think it's empty and just links to the new libraires that it got split into | 18:48 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah^ | 18:48 |
| JontheEchidna | brb | 18:49 |
| Riddell | qt in the cloud fail, the compile took up the entire 10GB disk space | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: how is yer kdm kns patch coming along? | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc-bindings/libqtvlc.git;a=summary <-- latest adventures :D | 20:06 |
| bambee | nice :) | 20:13 |
| wgrant | Riddell: It's merged, but won't be deployed to cocoplum for another two weeks... unless you complain a lot. | 21:46 |
| wgrant | Riddell: cocoplum is one of three machines that we can't deploy every day right now :/ | 21:47 |
| Riddell | wgrant: right, should be ok | 21:52 |
| wgrant | Riddell: Actually, the next deployment is on the 3rd. | 21:56 |
| wgrant | So less than a week. | 21:56 |
| Riddell | lovely | 22:01 |
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