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FloridaGuyi know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..?00:08
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arrrghhhhey all.  just installed the kubuntu-desktop package on 10.10, and the fonts are all out of whack00:10
arrrghhhsome sections are gigantic, others are tiny.00:10
arrrghhhi tried grooming the font size in application appearance under system settings, but that doesn't seem to have done it (unless i need to reboot the machine?)00:10
mole_how can i reset to default "panel" without deleting whole .kde directory?00:16
mole_i'm using netbook interface00:16
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arrrghhhhey all, anyone here?  i have a silly question about fonts.00:46
arrrghhhcrickets in here00:48
arrrghhhlots of people here01:29
arrrghhhno one talking?01:29
arrrghhhanyone?  fonts?01:29
arrrghhhbueller?01:30
francesco_hello01:39
francesco_I need some little help to configure an Ion hdmi audio on kde 401:40
Daskreecharrrghhh: Hello01:40
Daskreechmole_: Hello01:40
DaskreechDid you get an answer?01:40
arrrghhhi did not.01:41
francesco_any volountier ?01:41
Daskreecharrrghhh: What ws the question?01:41
Daskreech!sound01:41
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP301:41
francesco_!sound01:41
arrrghhhDaskreech, thanks!  basically there's some fonts that are gigantic and others that aren't on websites.01:41
arrrghhhi messed around with the "Application Appearance" section, and it seemed to help on some sites but not others...01:42
DaskreechCan You give me an example?01:42
arrrghhhthe odd thing is, some fonts are huge and others are what i would call "normal" on a website01:42
arrrghhhsure, you mind a screenshot from a website?01:42
DaskreechNo please do01:42
arrrghhhthx 1 sec01:42
francesco_Darkreech: i give a look thanks01:42
Daskreechfrancesco_: Ok :)01:44
Daskreechmole_: if you want to just get rid of plasma you can rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* or move them to a new directory.01:44
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francesco_Daskreech: i got audio but i don't remember how :( ... now i have reinstalled linux ( switch from ubuntu to kubuntu) and I tryed to follow old istruction that worked for me but ... nada01:46
Daskreechwhat did you follow?01:47
arrrghhhDaskreech, sorry that took so long... http://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png01:47
arrrghhhbasically the thread text is gigantic, but the (1 2 3 ... Last Page) and the top right box are what I would call "normal" sized fonts.01:47
DaskreechWhat is the URL For that?01:48
arrrghhhi just installed kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu 10.10 install01:48
arrrghhhDaskreech, the screenshot, it's a png.01:48
francesco_Daskreech: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136966601:48
arrrghhhoh sorry.  not me.01:48
francesco_Daskreech: postadelmaga comment is mine :)01:48
Daskreecharrrghhh: You can give me your URL as well01:49
arrrghhhhttp://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png01:49
Daskreechfrancesco_: when did you try this to get sound?01:49
Daskreechfor 10.10 ?01:50
Daskreecharrrghhh: No for the website01:50
francesco_Daskreech: I had problem with ubuntu once ( around the post period ) and i solved01:50
arrrghhhDaskreech, eh?01:50
Daskreecharrrghhh: you are making the screenshot of a webpage. What's the URL to the webpage?01:51
francesco_Daskreech: the post was useful ... but now on kubuntu seams to not work ( but it passed some times )01:51
arrrghhhDaskreech, Oo sorry.01:51
arrrghhhDaskreech, http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/01:51
Daskreecharrrghhh: in Konqueror?01:52
francesco_Daskreech: the main problem is about Hdmi ... phonon seams to not reconnaise it01:52
Daskreechfrancesco_: oh, Hmm01:52
DaskreechI'm not sure about that. Never tried01:52
arrrghhhDaskreech, i use FF01:52
arrrghhhi can try Konqueror01:52
francesco_Daskreech: I had similar problem on win 7 but last nvidia driver solved it01:52
DaskreechI suppose you could ask in #kde but I have a feeling that I might know the response01:53
francesco_Daskreech: but i can remember on ubuntu asound.conf solve my problem01:53
Daskreecharrrghhh: FF eh? :) which version?01:53
arrrghhhDaskreech, damnit it looks great in rekonq or whatever.01:53
Daskreechfrancesco_: ok cool01:53
arrrghhh3.6.13?01:53
Daskreecharrrghhh: CURSES!!! It looks fantastic!!!01:53
Daskreechha ha ha ha ha01:54
arrrghhhlol01:54
arrrghhhcurses it looks like crap in FF :P01:54
francesco_Daskreech: i mean solved :(01:54
arrrghhhso uh... how can i make FF look better?01:55
Daskreecharrrghhh: Yeah ok. You see it that many sites?01:55
arrrghhhperhaps all these gnome-based apps look like crap.01:55
Daskreechfrancesco_: ok :)01:55
arrrghhhi'm using x-chat, and the font looks like crap in it.01:55
arrrghhhis FF using GTK?01:55
arrrghhhin linux?01:55
Daskreecharrrghhh: Well a) FF isn't Gnome and b) it should render things consistently01:55
DaskreechYes it is01:55
arrrghhhhrm01:56
francesco_ok i got it yea01:56
arrrghhhhow can i get it to look consistent?  is there some GTK+ setting in KDE that's making it look like poop?01:56
Daskreechfrancesco_: Got what?01:56
Daskreech!gtk01:56
ubottuGTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI01:56
Daskreechoh hmm01:56
francesco_it was s/pdif 1  switch01:56
Daskreechum01:56
Daskreechfrancesco_: Works now!01:56
francesco_Daskreech: i mean audio works now01:57
francesco_:)01:57
Daskreech\o/01:57
DaskreechHooray01:57
Daskreecharrrghhh: thre is a package for the01:57
francesco_maybe i can post on the old thread to remember it in future01:57
DaskreechOxygen-gtk or something01:57
arrrghhhGTK+ is set to QtCurve01:57
Daskreechfrancesco_: Yeah01:57
francesco_ok bye and thank u01:57
arrrghhhand "Use my KDE fonts"01:57
arrrghhhhrm01:57
arrrghhhok01:57
arrrghhhwhat do you use for IRC?01:58
Daskreechkonversation01:58
arrrghhhhrm01:58
arrrghhhi'll give it another shot.01:58
arrrghhhwasn't a fan when i used kubuntu back in the 7.10 days.01:58
arrrghhhbeen getting sick of gnome again of late :P01:59
arrrghhhDaskreech, so there's oxygen-cursor-theme,  -extra, -icon-theme and -complete...02:05
Daskreecharrrghhh: I think most of those are actually oxygen02:05
arrrghhhindeed02:06
francesco_ok im back02:08
francesco_Daskreech: as we say in italy i sing to fast02:08
francesco_Daskreech: audio works but only if i say to mplay to play on hdmi, kubuntu continue to not see it ( phonon or pulse :? )02:09
Daskreechfrancesco_: could be phonon. I'm not sure02:13
francesco_Daskreech: any hint ?02:13
DaskreechI would check the Pulse HDMI settings first02:14
Daskreechjust cause it's easier02:14
francesco_Daskreech: yes i thought that too02:15
francesco_Daskreech: but how on kde ? does i need to install some kind of pulsecontrol gui ?02:15
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DaskreechSorry I'm here and off again. Working on a conference for tomorrow02:21
DaskreechThat might work02:21
Daskreechapachelogger: ping02:21
Daskreechhow would I check HDMI in Phonon?02:22
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george__I'm using kubuntu 10.10 with the netbook plasma workspace and the Lock button up there doesnt do anything when i click on it???02:24
george__the Shutdown, Suspend, and Hibernate option buttons respond ok and display their options02:25
george__but not the Lock button02:25
Daskreechnot tried the netbook workspace before02:27
george__I can just run a command on the term for a temporary workaround...02:28
Daskreechgeorge__: seems to work02:28
francesco_i think netbook ws  is bugged02:28
francesco_I installed kubuntu also on my netbook yesterday02:29
francesco_and i switched quite soon to default workspace02:29
george__i have an HP Mini 21002:29
george__ooooh02:29
francesco_I also think kubuntu installation should make u choose what to use ( and not do it in auto ) cause i could be confusion for an user to find where is the switch02:30
george__well ill just switch to the Desktop WS until the Netbook WS is more fixed up n.n02:31
george__and what do u mean "what to use" francesco_?02:31
george__the workspace?02:32
francesco_george__: I mean ( sorry my bad english) that when you install kubuntu the installer choose for you which workspace mode use02:33
george__yea....02:34
francesco_george__:  if youi have a netbook ... if you have a desktop ... ( i think It is based on monitor resolution )02:34
george__that should be a nice feature for the installer02:34
george__i honestly like both workspaces anyways :b02:35
francesco_george__:  it would be more correct ( imho ) to let user choose for that ... I installed kubuntu on a desktop and then on my netbook02:35
francesco_george__: and at the first i was confused how to change  ( i also thought Installer choose different packet for netbook )02:36
george__one nice feature for the Ubuntu installer would be like the installer on openSUSE 11.302:36
george__choose ur own DE02:36
george__but then the .iso would be huge in size02:37
francesco_george__:  yes maybe ... but i like also kubuntu installer ( also if it isn't very reactive  but that is a linux problem in general ) ...we need a fucking good scheduler02:38
george__yea xD02:38
george__when i was installing Kubuntu, the installer gave me an error relating to open office, but i clicked retry and it worked smoothly02:39
george__and my first bootup it gave me 2 lines about modprobe errors, but its simply correcting a .conf file and it goes away n.n02:40
francesco_maybeyou shoud re download the installer :)02:42
DaskreechWhat's wrong with Cron?02:43
george__well ill be going now, hope this simple bug gets patched up soon02:54
Daskreechgeorge__: I can't verify it02:54
Daskreechahhh :(02:54
francesco_i'm hating pulse audio03:11
francesco_miracle it workssss03:12
francesco_maybe it need some help03:12
francesco_however it seams on kde pulse need more integration ...03:14
westywhen trying to convert a .rpm to a .deb the file still stays an rpm   im using alien to do it03:15
westywhen its converting it, it even shows .deb generated03:16
Daskreechfrancesco_: Far as I know KDE has more Pulse integration than near anything else out there03:31
francesco_Daskreech: that cause pulse run only on gnome and kde maybe03:43
francesco_Daskreech: however on gnome ( ubuntu ) it seams  to me better03:43
DaskreechMaybe. Might just be ubuntu they seem really focused on getting it to work.03:44
francesco_Daskreech: on kde I had to install pavucontrol to set a correct output for Pulse otherwise i had to know how to config by hand in /etc/pulse/defalt.pa03:45
DaskreechMore so than Fedora and it's a fedora project03:45
francesco_Daskreech: It is really possible i miss something ( maybe there is a easyer way ) but installing pavucontrol = a lot of gtk  dep03:46
Daskreechfrancesco_: Which KDE are you running?03:46
francesco_Daskreech: also it is difficult to find it ( for me ) ...  the system suggest me to use phonon to configure all so the user have the felling have not reconized his hardware while ....03:47
francesco_kde 4.5 I think ( maverik stuff however )03:48
phoenix_firebrdwhen i click my memory card in dolphin, it gets mounted read-only. i am using kde 4.6. how to solve this problem03:49
DaskreechHmm seems to have Pulse in Multimedia in KDE 4.603:49
Daskreechphoenix_firebrd: Probably put in a rule in fstab or udev03:50
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: why ?03:50
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: it was working fine, without that03:51
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: now what happened?03:51
DaskreechI'm not sure It used to be read write?03:52
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: ya. is it something got to do with user privileges?03:54
DaskreechIt's possible. I generally just put a rule in fstab for the umask03:55
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: solved the problem. the problem was a corrupted file system of my memory card. formated it and now mounts correctly.04:53
Daskreechphoenix_firebrd: That might do it04:54
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: thank you05:01
Daskreechphoenix_firebrd: Hope you didn't lose any files05:01
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: no :)05:02
Daskreechphoenix_firebrd: Ah wonderful :)05:02
phoenix_firebrdDaskreech: bye05:02
DaskreechBye05:02
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apacheloggerDaskreech: what do you mean by check?05:35
Daskreechapachelogger: someone wanted to check if their sound was going through HDMI05:36
apacheloggerusually one notices :P05:36
apacheloggerbut if the HDMI device was listed first in the phonon kcm AND there was no error about HDMI playback not working, then generally the HDMI device is used05:37
Daskreechhmm ok05:37
DaskreechThanks05:37
Daskreechgeorge_: Just found out that Locking works with Krunner. if you start it then you can lock the screen05:48
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vbgunzhow can I get konquerors ctrl+f to STOP being case sensitive? not for nothing, but that's a real terrible default and is urking the hell out of me :/06:07
phoenix_firebrdwhen i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?06:55
razfazzzMoin07:19
razfazzzich wollte nochma neu installieren. eine frage bitte. auch wenn sie nicht hier hin gehört. ist die 10.04 lts oder die 10.10 maverick besser ? ich hab irgendwie das gefühl das die .04 fixxer is. oder kann das ned sein07:21
Tm_T!de | razfazzz07:21
ubotturazfazzz: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.07:21
razfazzzthx07:22
fabriziorambo09:08
kushagraDoes Kubuntu 10.10 support kde 4.609:19
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noaXesshey all09:26
noaXesshat kde apps for dvd creations are available?09:26
james147noaXess: kdenlive09:27
noaXessjames147: i use kdenlive to create the movei.. but the dvd wizard is not reall impressiv.. cause eg. the dvd menu format is hard coded.. and is 4:3 .. but my movie is 16:9..09:27
james147noaXess: well, kdenlive is the most user... if not onlu... kde dvd creation tool, though there may be other linux tools around09:29
noaXessqdvdauthor.. i just read/watch demo09:29
james147then you know more then I do :)09:30
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noaXessha seems that qdvdauthor is i big dvd author with a lot of templates ;).09:38
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DaughainHwow do I set an executabe to run in bash outside its native dir?11:21
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janmaltehi, i was wondering, if the way korganizer creates subcategories violates rfc554611:29
janmalteas it suses ":" as the seperator11:30
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janmalteHord is having heavy troubles with this11:30
shadeslayer_janmalte: possibly open a bug in bugs.kde.org against this?11:34
janmalteyes, i will do this no i think. i was just asking at the irc before to get some feedback before doing so11:34
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nlsthznlooking to share photos online and want it to work directly with digikam... what is the most used online service? (imageshack sucks)13:02
ecinx3how do i share files between two ckubuntu computers on a lan?13:14
shane4ubuntuecinx3: you need ssh I find is a simple way, once ssh is installed on both computers, then in dolphin you can just put this in:  sftp://username@ip:/home/username  and you can copy and paste files in a gui way13:24
shane4ubuntuecinx3: gotta run for now, but ssh is simple to get up and running there are a few guides around13:25
shane4ubuntu!ssh13:25
ubottuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)13:25
vizyon9hi13:42
vizyon9we are newby to ubuntu and have a problem abaut sending faxes throuh windows server  server13:43
vizyon9how can we handle this problem via ubuntu pls help13:43
vizyon9windows server 200313:44
vizyon9any program any way to follow13:45
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allamooxhii14:45
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RLawhat process runs with name "-:0"?15:21
dmaionchihi there, i have a little question: when I start kate from the bash I get:QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden15:25
dmaionchiQFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/dmaionchi/.config/ibus/bus15:25
dmaionchiBus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.15:25
dmaionchiwhat could be the problem?15:25
dmaionchior is this just normal?15:25
dmaionchieverersince there was no such warning15:26
martin_____dont know what it is, but i get the same when i start from console15:33
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martin_____and... starting it out of the menu gives the same errors15:34
dmaionchiok, i don't then any big problem15:36
markithi, how can I setup things so taskbar shows only programs on the current desktop?15:56
moshofoshoright click your taskbar and see if you can figure it out from there15:59
moshofoshowhen i first got kde4, i wondered the same thing, and that was my instinct15:59
nikitisQuestion.  I originally installed ubuntu but then installed the kubuntu package.  It now loads kubuntu by default which is what i want, however, it still has the gnome logon screen.  How can I fix that?16:19
DarthFrognikitis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm16:21
nikitisDarthFrog, brb testing.16:23
nikitisDarthFrog, Sorry, i did that and selected kdm, but I still get the gnome login screen16:24
nikitisis there some setting in one of my skeleton directory files?16:25
DarthFrogNo.  Those files are processed only after logging in so how could they alter the choice of login display manager?16:27
DarthFrogTry "sudo apt-get remove gdm"16:27
nikitisWell i didn't know16:27
DarthFrogNow you do. :-)16:28
nikitisbrb,16:28
nikitisDarthFrog, okay that worked16:29
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nikitisAre there any color selections for kde that make windows transparent.  I'm not talking about outer window decorations but inner window?16:33
Tm_Tnikitis: no16:35
BluesKajhowdy16:55
phoenix_firebrdwhen i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?17:05
Riddell17:05 < phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed.  i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?17:06
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: afiestas is the upstream dev for bluedevil :)17:07
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: ya i know17:07
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: what should i do now17:07
shadeslayerok ... :D17:07
shadeslayerphoenix_firebrd: wait for him to reply? :D17:07
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: is he present here?17:07
phoenix_firebrdya17:08
shadeslayeryes.... he just joined :)17:08
phoenix_firebrdgreat17:08
phoenix_firebrdi am very happy that he is present here17:08
shadeslayeri have to go, you guys have fun :)17:08
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: see you17:08
shadeslayerbye :)17:09
afiestasphoenix_firebrd: that may be a bug in libbluedevil we have to work on :(17:09
afiestas I can send a patch to test it if you can try17:09
phoenix_firebrdafiestas: sure17:09
afiestasoks, I'm working right now, give me an hour or something17:09
phoenix_firebrdafiestas: ok17:10
phoenix_firebrdafiestas: i have installed bluedevil 1.0.217:10
phoenix_firebrdafiestas: libbluedevil version is 1.817:10
phoenix_firebrdafiestas: i have tried in kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2, bluetooth works fine17:11
phoenix_firebrdlibbluetooth version =4.6917:13
judgenhi17:19
phoenix_firebrdhi17:19
judgenOn my main monitor works perfectly fine, but the other is just black with an empty xserver, Would you possible know how to fix that so i would get an kde session on both screens?17:20
james147judgen: what graphics card?17:20
james147and drivers17:20
judgenit would not be needed if i could move windows between the monitors, but as they seem to be separate i can not.17:20
judgenIt am using binary blob nvidia 260*17:21
judgenthe gfx card is a 8800Ultra17:21
james147judgen: try using twinview rather then seperate screens17:21
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judgenjames147: will do.17:21
judgenwould that not make the windows maximize over both screens?17:22
Guest5191I have Eucalyptus 1.6.2 installed on ubuntu 10.04 using source installation with kvm. Currently I have ten nodes in my cloud in a single cluster architecture.17:22
Guest5191I am trying to run Hadoop in a cloud environment. So I will launch hadoop instances on the cloud. Now there is huge data on each Hadoop node so I am planning to use volumes as of now to store that data of each instance i.e Hadoop node. But since volumes are stored at Storage controllers so this means that there is continuous movement of data (lots of GBs) in cloud network from SC to node and also the response time of work done on17:22
Guest5191Hadoop instances will be slow due to time taken by data to travel in the network.17:22
FloodBotK3Guest5191: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.17:22
james147judgen: shouldnt17:22
* james147 notes that kde virtually splits the screens back up so that windows behave properly... or at least it should17:22
judgenok got to restart X brb17:23
judgenok that worked, but no it thinks the secondary monitor is the main one in X17:24
judgenhow do i change that?17:24
james147judgen: nvidia-settings should beable to set which is the primary one17:26
judgenjames147: i can find no such settings sadly.17:26
judgenBut am very grateful for you input.17:26
james147judgen: X server Display configureation > select a sccreen > check "make this the primart display for the x screen"17:27
judgenok another Xorg restart.17:28
judgenhope this works.17:28
judgenthat worked perfectly.17:30
netskavenhell-o!17:30
judgenThank you very much Sir.17:30
judgenAnd sorry if i was a bit bothersome.17:31
judgenI do have one more question though, is it possible to put the run dialogue elswhere than on the top of the screen?17:32
james147judgen: yes17:32
judgenHow would i go about doing that then?17:33
james147judgen: in the runner click the spanner/config icon > user interface > free floating window17:33
judgenthat worked perfectly.17:34
judgenthanks again.17:34
judgenIt is not as pretty, but oh su much better.17:34
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tsutherhello all17:43
Guest5191hey17:43
tsutheranyone having problems running vmware in natty today?17:43
james147tsuther: ask in #ubuntu+1 for natty problems17:44
tsutherthx17:44
Guest5191Good night guys17:47
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judgenI am perfectly satisfied with kde4 now (4.6) but will the growing pains for people migrating from gnome 2.*>3.0.* be the same or similar?18:03
judgeni had to use kde3 until 4.6 as much of the behaviour was not on par with my own.18:03
judgennow it is almost perfect.18:03
james147judgen: gnome3 isnt a complete (or basically a complete) rewrite, which kde3->4 was, meaning they are not likly to lose any features that they didnt delibrtly throw away, unlike kde4, which just hadent reimplmented them yet...18:05
judgentwould there be any issues you could think of though?18:05
james147judgen: usual problems of intoducing new and radical features....18:06
nikitisOnly biff about kde4 i have is not being able to have one wallpapper go across two monitors.18:06
* james147 hated that `feature` about gnome :p18:07
james147^^ well at elast the inability to ahve two different wallpapers :)18:07
judgenthe growing pains from gtk+ 1.2 to 2.* was horrible18:07
nikitisI mean twinview by definition is 1 desktop, two monitors,  Makes sense to me that should also include 1 wallpaper per desktop.18:08
judgennikitis: a simple fic would be to cut the wallpaper into two and select each part as needed?18:08
judgenfix*18:08
nikitisjudgen, too impractical.  I have 1000's of 3840x1200 wallpapers18:09
james147nikitis: ^^ then by that logic window should also maximise over both screens18:09
nikitisSome simple code doing a monitor check should allow it18:09
nikitisDo a check, if both monitors are the same resolutions, allow it across both18:09
nikitisif they aren't don't allow it18:10
nikitisand you can't tell me that it's difficult to implement that.  After all we can drag applications from one to the other18:10
james147^^ or, let the user chose... have an option to stretch a wallpaper over both screens regardless18:10
nikitisexactly18:10
judgennikitis: do you use all 1k of the wallpapers at once?18:11
nikitisBut the only argument i've heard towards that end is, not everyone with two monitors have the same resolution18:11
james147nikitis: then suggest it to the kde devs, or implment ti and submit a patch :)18:11
nikitisjudgen, i switch daily18:11
nikitisjames147, i did, that's where i got the information that not all monitors match18:11
nikitisthey just don't want to implement it18:11
judgennikitis: i do not want the be rude, but why?, are none of them good enough?18:12
judgeni switch four times per year or there about.18:12
nikitisI like my desktops18:12
james147judgen: ^^ it not that any of them are not good enough, but could be that they are all too good :D18:12
nikitisi want to see them all18:12
judgenaaah18:12
nikitisso i change daily or every two days18:13
judgeni have windows covering the wallpapers all time except when i have just logged in =P18:13
nikitisso having to do that for all of them is like bleh18:13
* james147 changes ever 30 mins ^^ :D18:13
judgenjames147: holy smokes.18:13
BluesKajnikitis, just to clear something up from yesterday. I have 3 samsung monitors , but they're all on different pcs, so I'm not familair with multi m ontor setups18:13
judgenI have 4 images that i use and have used since 1992. I change for each season.18:14
judgenoh i lied i also use the carribean toucan on my amiga.18:14
judgensorry18:14
judgenthat image is from deluxe paint i think.18:15
nikitisBluesKaj, i'm just surpised as visually appealing and customizable as kde is.  that there isn't a simple multimonitor wallpaper option.18:16
nikitisSeems elementary18:16
judgenis the compositing part of kwin or a separate module?18:16
BluesKajnikitis, agreed18:16
nikitiskwin is a window manager18:16
BluesKajand one panasonic plasma tv that i use as a monitor connected to our media-server, which I use  for internet stuff, when not watching tv18:16
nikitiscompositing is the tying of the window manager to the 3d accelerator18:17
nikitisBluesKaj, i have soo many issues with the tv/monitor industry right now18:17
nikitisBluesKaj, For example.  I have this nice new media room with this house i bought18:17
Peace-nikitis: i have a video instead18:17
Peace-xD18:17
nikitisI want to buy a 70 inch TV.18:18
nikitisThe problem?18:18
nikitisSure it covers a lot of screen area18:18
nikitisbut it's still only like 1920x1080 pixels18:18
nikitisI need actual width, and resolution18:18
judgenhttp://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/koma-comic-strip-windows.jpg good one18:18
nikitisI want 10000x7600 pixel TV's18:19
nikitisSo i can use it as a computer with all my apps displayed18:19
judgennikitis: a 70" tv is a waste of money, so as me an get a projector for the money, mine can project up to 142 feet in size.18:19
nikitisand have TV as Picture in picture18:19
judgenand it uses alot less space18:19
Peace-james147: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/video-for-your-desktop/ :P18:19
judgeni have a hauppage tv-card in my pc so i do not even own a TV18:20
judgenno need.18:20
nikitisWhen is the industry going to get it in their heads I want high resolution screens.  Did you know you can hardly find a 1920x1200 screen anymore.  They lowered them to match blu-ray which is only 1920x1080.18:20
BluesKajnikitis, well that depends on your viewing distance , a 70" tv to be viewed correct distance shoyld be 2.5to3.5 the screen size away from the tv ...if your room can accomodate that distance and most can then you're in business18:20
judgennikitis: there is no reason to sell higher density.. the price for those is to low anyways.18:21
judgencompared to pruduction costs18:21
nikitisjudgen, I need a high resolution solution.18:21
james147Peace-: :D yeah, remember seeing something similar a while ago... though i prefure not to waste that many gup cycles on eye candy :D18:21
nikitisi don't care about price18:21
nikitisBut can you even buy much higher resolution monitors?18:21
judgenI also have two CRT's with over 3000x* in resolution. it is good enough and they last forever almost.18:22
nikitisI want mother f*##&n screens the size of CTU in the tv show 24.18:22
Peace-james147: hahahah :D true18:22
judgen24 is like the cake.18:22
BluesKajmy plasma is a mere 42" , small by todays stds but quite adequate at 8ft away18:22
nikitisi don't want adequate, i want extreme.  Find it for me18:23
nikitisSee if it exist18:23
nikitisif i'm going to be using a computer/TV for 3-4 hours a day, Plus 8 hours for work.  I want nothing less than amazing18:24
judgennikitis: 142 feet at 2048x* in size is good enough for most.18:24
judgenget a projector18:24
nikitisjudgen, i currently use 3840x1200.  And i need more room.  But the two monitors together are only like 4.5 feet across.18:24
nikitis7680x4800 would be perfect for all of my applications i use daily for work18:25
judgenyou can have several projectors though. 2x2048=409618:25
nikitisi wouldn't need more than that18:25
nikitisTrue18:25
judgenthree ones would be over 6100px18:26
nikitisBut bulbs man18:26
judgenif you are going to use it indoors get the LED projectors.18:26
nikitisplus projectors never really give the kind of clarity/sharpness as an actual omled18:26
nikitisor brightness if the light is on18:26
judgennothing beats CRT if you want clarity and colour correctness though18:27
nikitisLCD is sharpest18:27
nikitisCRT is colors18:27
nikitisProjection is size18:27
judgenLCD is crap in matter of longevity though. only about 3 years on average.18:28
nikitiswha?  naw18:28
nikitisI've had my monitors for 5 years now18:28
nikitis1920x120018:28
judgenguess you had luck, but i said average.18:28
nikitisand they run 24/718:28
judgeni have NEC CRT's that has survived earthquakes and the likes for about 25 years.18:29
nikitisHope you don't get cancer from them18:29
judgenby todays standard, not very good resolution though =D18:29
nikitisand space18:29
* james147 has a 7 year old lcd tahts still going strong, and another that hasnt shown any sign of weekness after 318:29
nikitisso much space CRT's18:29
judgenjames147: some LCD's does not survive 1 year. i have had several.18:30
nikitisLCD's last much longer than 3 years18:30
nikitiswhat kind are you buying?18:30
nikitischeapos?18:30
judgenmaybe but average is alot lower than you think.18:30
BluesKajwe have 3 22" samsungs that are 3 yrs old...seem fine still..18:30
james147judgen: then you must have has some real bad luck... dont think i have seen many... if any lcds actualy die18:30
* BluesKaj knocks on wood18:31
judgenalso the possibillity of pixel failiure is high after 2 years.18:31
james147judgen: yea, but thats not a complete failure :)18:31
judgenthe larger the screen, the more likely is the event of failiure though.18:31
judgenatleast in my experience18:31
james147^^ i would say the opposite :) but only beacuse laptops have smaller screens, and tend to get thrown around allot :D18:32
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judgenjames147: that is true.18:32
* james147 has seen many laptop lcds die due to being thwoen somewher :D18:32
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nikitissurvey says average lifespan of lcd's are 50,000 to 60,000 hours.  There's 8760 hours in a year if you ran them nonstop.  50,000/8760 = 5.6 years18:32
james147but never due to age ^^18:32
judgeni have a dell c600 that still lives.18:32
Peace-james147: ah you luck man i got a hp pavillion that after 1.5 year = burned lcd :(18:33
nikitis60,000/8760 = 6.7 years18:33
james147nikitis: yeah, thats about what I would expect18:33
james147although less with laptops since they tend to get abused18:34
Peace-well now led should be 20 years long18:34
nikitisand that's what they are built for, may last longer/shorter18:34
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nikitisCRT's are good for 10 years on average18:34
nikitisbut if used often, can last longer18:34
judgennikitis: using those kind of statistics is equal to using the manufacturers numbers for longevity on hard drives, and we have all had drives that first started to go slower, then louder then fail eventually. Even before the warranty is passed.18:34
nikitisthe more electricity that runs through them the better18:34
james147nikitis: ^^ up to a point.... i think they tend to blow up if you pass tomuch though them :)18:35
nikitisjudgen, i'm running 5 harddrives in my pc.  2 of which are 8 years old.  But according to google, who uses more harddrives than anyone.  Says they last from 1 year to 5 average18:35
judgenalso those tests are performed in a cleanroom and perfect electrical supply without spikes or outages.18:35
judgeni can claim safely that due to the poor electrical supply in Southern CA my equippment aged faster.18:36
nikitisjudgen, power supply's are built for interruption.  otherwise on first lightning strike they'd blow.18:36
Peace-james147: http://vimeo.com/20217266 kdenlive omg this is amazing xD i am spammin :P18:36
nikitisjudgen, could be18:36
james147Peace-: :S your links keep killing ym konquror :S18:38
Peace-james147: hahahaha sorry man :(18:38
judgenAnyone except me uses Opera exclusively on KDE4?18:39
judgenIt is just so fast18:39
nikitisChrome here18:39
* james147 uses konq, rekonq and chromium 18:39
Peace-Peace-:  the same of james14718:40
Peace-xD18:40
* james147 notes that this is a little offtopic ^^ 18:40
Guest5191lol firefox for me18:40
* Peace- note that james147 has right18:40
nikitisi like firefox, but chrome is a bit lighter18:41
judgenGuest5191: i used firefox until i installed kde and felt it to be ugly, so i tried alot of different browsers. but the speed of opera won me over.18:41
judgeni have written some add ons that i love for firefox though, and no other browser allows me to fake the headers so i can see my american tv shows on the web afaik.18:42
Guest5191opera's not to shabby actually especially with it's new unite feature18:42
nikitisPeace-, i have a buddy who built something like that light painting, cept it didn't paint but he'd have a projector tied to a computer with a webcam, and virtual rain would project.  And where ever he walked it would bounce off of him.18:42
Senixjudgen; try firefox4-beta1118:42
judgenSenix: there is no add-ons for ff4 to spoof headers.. so no there is no need to even try it again.18:43
Peace-nikitis: that video is made in kdenlive :P18:43
Guest5191i tried beta 8, it was pretty good18:43
Peace-nikitis: using a freior plugin in18:44
judgentoo bad that opera is not OSS then it would be perfect.18:44
Guest5191@judgen true that18:45
nikitisPeace-, here is my friends work.  http://www.vimeo.com/83305818:45
nikitisimages get generated based on touch18:46
OchoZero9how do i get a second monitor hooked up to my laptop?18:46
Peace-nikitis: wth18:46
judgenis it just me that dislikes the empahsis on touch screens to control the ui nowdays.. i mean on phones i guess it is ok. but on pc's it just dirties up the screen.18:47
Peace-OchoZero9: mmm systemsettings -->display18:47
Guest5191wow now that was cool18:47
Senixnikitis; thats awesome18:47
nikitishaha, he's a very smart 3d designer, one of the top developers for blender18:47
nikitisand he's messing with 3d rendering and webcams18:47
OchoZero9Peace-, it doesn't work18:47
judgenblender is a very good application.18:48
Guest5191it sure is18:48
judgenwish they would update it for Haiku again.18:48
OchoZero9This module is only for configuring systems wiht a single desktop sperad across multipme monitors. youd do not happear to have this configuration18:48
nikitisWe used to game together at LAN Parties18:48
judgenbut there might be less of a point as haiku currently lacks hw 3d rendering again.18:48
nikitishe's very good at UT200418:48
Guest5191anyways see you later guys gotta big exam tommorow gotta study for it18:48
Peace-OchoZero9: video card?18:48
Peace-OchoZero9: guess is the driver issue i have an intel and it works18:49
OchoZero9i don't have one18:49
judgennikitis: so am i =) i used to be at spot 224 in the world under the pseudonym Louise when i played.18:49
OchoZero9the processor is the video card18:49
Peace-OchoZero9: lspci18:49
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Peace-OchoZero9: lspci | grep -i video18:49
Senixnikitis; I want to do this :p18:49
Peace-nikitis: it's open source?18:50
Peace-is it18:50
SenixPeace-; im guessing he used blender to do it.18:50
SenixPeace-; So if he released the blend file then we could try it out.18:51
nikitishttp://www.vimeo.com/245061218:51
Peace-Senix: mm i don't  think so18:51
nikitishe designed that gorilla at the intro18:51
Peace-nikitis: nice18:55
nikitishe's very smart18:55
nikitishe made this sweet 3d video for one of our 100+ man LAN parties18:56
nikitistrying to find it18:56
nikitishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8KyPTjjygo  He made this video in 200418:57
Senixnikitis; that cool and all, but i really want to build one of those tables18:57
nikitisSkip to 2:05 to see the cool 3d stuff18:58
phoenix_firebrdn18:58
OchoZero9Peace-,  lspci | grep -i video did nohting19:16
abhijeetcan somebody help me...regarding my laptop touchpad...the pointer freezes after every few minutes...i m running kubuntu 10.1019:18
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Mike1Hi! What VoIP-program do you recommend? I don’t want to use Skype because it runs bad under Linux and is not free etc.19:35
genii-aroundMike1: In kubuntu there is kphone specifically. Others include mumble and ekiga. There is a commercial one similar to skype called gizmogadget19:38
Mike1genii-around: I want to talk with a friend who is pretty new to KUbuntu, so what’s the easiest, most relieable program of the ones you mentioned?19:40
Mike1no need for fancy features, videochat would be nice but not necessary19:40
genii-aroundMike1: kphone then, it's simple and just does SIP.19:41
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rosco_yI set my default panel to "auto hide", now I can't find it--can get it back?22:06
rosco_ywhat would I search for in my process list, if I just wanted to kill it?22:09
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james147rosco_y: the panel is part of plasma-desktop... killing that might not help much as it will restore its settings when you reload it22:12
james147rosco_y: you can reset it to default settings by quiting it (kquitapp plasma-desktop) then renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* (file beginging with plasma) and starting plasma-deskotp again22:13
rosco_yThank you james147, I think I'll do that because I don't really have my desktop customized muh anyways:)22:14
rosco_yIt's been a long ddya....the tpyoss ruel22:15
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Peace-james147: bye james147 :P22:21
james147Peace-: Bye22:22
valeciao gente, è possibile impostare QoS da kubuntu senza passare dalle impostazioni del router?22:33
valeho uno di quei maledetti router telecom e non riesco a trovare nulla nelle impostazioni22:33
valesorry, now i've realized thi is the english channel :)22:34
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mark___hello23:26
dannyg123hey all I have a question about grub2. See I have arch linux installed and kubuntu which wiped out that grub and now I want arch to boot with the option quiet but I cant find the file to add that option23:31

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