[00:08] <FloridaGuy> i know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..?
[00:10] <arrrghhh> hey all.  just installed the kubuntu-desktop package on 10.10, and the fonts are all out of whack
[00:10] <arrrghhh> some sections are gigantic, others are tiny.
[00:10] <arrrghhh> i tried grooming the font size in application appearance under system settings, but that doesn't seem to have done it (unless i need to reboot the machine?)
[00:16] <mole_> how can i reset to default "panel" without deleting whole .kde directory?
[00:16] <mole_> i'm using netbook interface
[00:46] <arrrghhh> hey all, anyone here?  i have a silly question about fonts.
[00:48] <arrrghhh> crickets in here
[01:29] <arrrghhh> lots of people here
[01:29] <arrrghhh> no one talking?
[01:29] <arrrghhh> anyone?  fonts?
[01:30] <arrrghhh> bueller?
[01:39] <francesco_> hello
[01:40] <francesco_> I need some little help to configure an Ion hdmi audio on kde 4
[01:40] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Hello
[01:40] <Daskreech> mole_: Hello
[01:40] <Daskreech> Did you get an answer?
[01:41] <arrrghhh> i did not.
[01:41] <francesco_> any volountier ?
[01:41] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: What ws the question?
[01:41] <Daskreech> !sound
[01:41] <francesco_> !sound
[01:41] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, thanks!  basically there's some fonts that are gigantic and others that aren't on websites.
[01:42] <arrrghhh> i messed around with the "Application Appearance" section, and it seemed to help on some sites but not others...
[01:42] <Daskreech> Can You give me an example?
[01:42] <arrrghhh> the odd thing is, some fonts are huge and others are what i would call "normal" on a website
[01:42] <arrrghhh> sure, you mind a screenshot from a website?
[01:42] <Daskreech> No please do
[01:42] <arrrghhh> thx 1 sec
[01:42] <francesco_> Darkreech: i give a look thanks
[01:44] <Daskreech> francesco_: Ok :)
[01:44] <Daskreech> mole_: if you want to just get rid of plasma you can rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* or move them to a new directory.
[01:46] <francesco_> Daskreech: i got audio but i don't remember how :( ... now i have reinstalled linux ( switch from ubuntu to kubuntu) and I tryed to follow old istruction that worked for me but ... nada
[01:47] <Daskreech> what did you follow?
[01:47] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, sorry that took so long... http://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png
[01:47] <arrrghhh> basically the thread text is gigantic, but the (1 2 3 ... Last Page) and the top right box are what I would call "normal" sized fonts.
[01:48] <Daskreech> What is the URL For that?
[01:48] <arrrghhh> i just installed kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu 10.10 install
[01:48] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, the screenshot, it's a png.
[01:48] <francesco_> Daskreech: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1369666
[01:48] <arrrghhh> oh sorry.  not me.
[01:48] <francesco_> Daskreech: postadelmaga comment is mine :)
[01:49] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: You can give me your URL as well
[01:49] <arrrghhh> http://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png
[01:49] <Daskreech> francesco_: when did you try this to get sound?
[01:50] <Daskreech> for 10.10 ?
[01:50] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: No for the website
[01:50] <francesco_> Daskreech: I had problem with ubuntu once ( around the post period ) and i solved
[01:50] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, eh?
[01:51] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: you are making the screenshot of a webpage. What's the URL to the webpage?
[01:51] <francesco_> Daskreech: the post was useful ... but now on kubuntu seams to not work ( but it passed some times )
[01:51] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, Oo sorry.
[01:51] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/
[01:52] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: in Konqueror?
[01:52] <francesco_> Daskreech: the main problem is about Hdmi ... phonon seams to not reconnaise it
[01:52] <Daskreech> francesco_: oh, Hmm
[01:52] <Daskreech> I'm not sure about that. Never tried
[01:52] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, i use FF
[01:52] <arrrghhh> i can try Konqueror
[01:52] <francesco_> Daskreech: I had similar problem on win 7 but last nvidia driver solved it
[01:53] <Daskreech> I suppose you could ask in #kde but I have a feeling that I might know the response
[01:53] <francesco_> Daskreech: but i can remember on ubuntu asound.conf solve my problem
[01:53] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: FF eh? :) which version?
[01:53] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, damnit it looks great in rekonq or whatever.
[01:53] <Daskreech> francesco_: ok cool
[01:53] <arrrghhh> 3.6.13?
[01:53] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: CURSES!!! It looks fantastic!!!
[01:54] <Daskreech> ha ha ha ha ha
[01:54] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:54] <arrrghhh> curses it looks like crap in FF :P
[01:54] <francesco_> Daskreech: i mean solved :(
[01:55] <arrrghhh> so uh... how can i make FF look better?
[01:55] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Yeah ok. You see it that many sites?
[01:55] <arrrghhh> perhaps all these gnome-based apps look like crap.
[01:55] <Daskreech> francesco_: ok :)
[01:55] <arrrghhh> i'm using x-chat, and the font looks like crap in it.
[01:55] <arrrghhh> is FF using GTK?
[01:55] <arrrghhh> in linux?
[01:55] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Well a) FF isn't Gnome and b) it should render things consistently
[01:55] <Daskreech> Yes it is
[01:56] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:56] <francesco_> ok i got it yea
[01:56] <arrrghhh> how can i get it to look consistent?  is there some GTK+ setting in KDE that's making it look like poop?
[01:56] <Daskreech> francesco_: Got what?
[01:56] <Daskreech> !gtk
[01:56] <Daskreech> oh hmm
[01:56] <francesco_> it was s/pdif 1  switch
[01:56] <Daskreech> um
[01:56] <Daskreech> francesco_: Works now!
[01:57] <francesco_> Daskreech: i mean audio works now
[01:57] <francesco_> :)
[01:57] <Daskreech> \o/
[01:57] <Daskreech> Hooray
[01:57] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: thre is a package for the
[01:57] <francesco_> maybe i can post on the old thread to remember it in future
[01:57] <Daskreech> Oxygen-gtk or something
[01:57] <arrrghhh> GTK+ is set to QtCurve
[01:57] <Daskreech> francesco_: Yeah
[01:57] <francesco_> ok bye and thank u
[01:57] <arrrghhh> and "Use my KDE fonts"
[01:57] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:57] <arrrghhh> ok
[01:58] <arrrghhh> what do you use for IRC?
[01:58] <Daskreech> konversation
[01:58] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:58] <arrrghhh> i'll give it another shot.
[01:58] <arrrghhh> wasn't a fan when i used kubuntu back in the 7.10 days.
[01:59] <arrrghhh> been getting sick of gnome again of late :P
[02:05] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, so there's oxygen-cursor-theme,  -extra, -icon-theme and -complete...
[02:05] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: I think most of those are actually oxygen
[02:06] <arrrghhh> indeed
[02:08] <francesco_> ok im back
[02:08] <francesco_> Daskreech: as we say in italy i sing to fast
[02:09] <francesco_> Daskreech: audio works but only if i say to mplay to play on hdmi, kubuntu continue to not see it ( phonon or pulse :? )
[02:13] <Daskreech> francesco_: could be phonon. I'm not sure
[02:13] <francesco_> Daskreech: any hint ?
[02:14] <Daskreech> I would check the Pulse HDMI settings first
[02:14] <Daskreech> just cause it's easier
[02:15] <francesco_> Daskreech: yes i thought that too
[02:15] <francesco_> Daskreech: but how on kde ? does i need to install some kind of pulsecontrol gui ?
[02:21] <Daskreech> Sorry I'm here and off again. Working on a conference for tomorrow
[02:21] <Daskreech> That might work
[02:21] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping
[02:22] <Daskreech> how would I check HDMI in Phonon?
[02:24] <george__> I'm using kubuntu 10.10 with the netbook plasma workspace and the Lock button up there doesnt do anything when i click on it???
[02:25] <george__> the Shutdown, Suspend, and Hibernate option buttons respond ok and display their options
[02:25] <george__> but not the Lock button
[02:27] <Daskreech> not tried the netbook workspace before
[02:28] <george__> I can just run a command on the term for a temporary workaround...
[02:28] <Daskreech> george__: seems to work
[02:28] <francesco_> i think netbook ws  is bugged
[02:29] <francesco_> I installed kubuntu also on my netbook yesterday
[02:29] <francesco_> and i switched quite soon to default workspace
[02:29] <george__> i have an HP Mini 210
[02:29] <george__> ooooh
[02:30] <francesco_> I also think kubuntu installation should make u choose what to use ( and not do it in auto ) cause i could be confusion for an user to find where is the switch
[02:31] <george__> well ill just switch to the Desktop WS until the Netbook WS is more fixed up n.n
[02:31] <george__> and what do u mean "what to use" francesco_?
[02:32] <george__> the workspace?
[02:33] <francesco_> george__: I mean ( sorry my bad english) that when you install kubuntu the installer choose for you which workspace mode use
[02:34] <george__> yea....
[02:34] <francesco_> george__:  if youi have a netbook ... if you have a desktop ... ( i think It is based on monitor resolution )
[02:34] <george__> that should be a nice feature for the installer
[02:35] <george__> i honestly like both workspaces anyways :b
[02:35] <francesco_> george__:  it would be more correct ( imho ) to let user choose for that ... I installed kubuntu on a desktop and then on my netbook
[02:36] <francesco_> george__: and at the first i was confused how to change  ( i also thought Installer choose different packet for netbook )
[02:36] <george__> one nice feature for the Ubuntu installer would be like the installer on openSUSE 11.3
[02:36] <george__> choose ur own DE
[02:37] <george__> but then the .iso would be huge in size
[02:38] <francesco_> george__:  yes maybe ... but i like also kubuntu installer ( also if it isn't very reactive  but that is a linux problem in general ) ...we need a fucking good scheduler
[02:38] <george__> yea xD
[02:39] <george__> when i was installing Kubuntu, the installer gave me an error relating to open office, but i clicked retry and it worked smoothly
[02:40] <george__> and my first bootup it gave me 2 lines about modprobe errors, but its simply correcting a .conf file and it goes away n.n
[02:42] <francesco_> maybeyou shoud re download the installer :)
[02:43] <Daskreech> What's wrong with Cron?
[02:54] <george__> well ill be going now, hope this simple bug gets patched up soon
[02:54] <Daskreech> george__: I can't verify it
[02:54] <Daskreech> ahhh :(
[03:11] <francesco_> i'm hating pulse audio
[03:12] <francesco_> miracle it workssss
[03:12] <francesco_> maybe it need some help
[03:14] <francesco_> however it seams on kde pulse need more integration ...
[03:15] <westy> when trying to convert a .rpm to a .deb the file still stays an rpm   im using alien to do it
[03:16] <westy> when its converting it, it even shows .deb generated
[03:31] <Daskreech> francesco_: Far as I know KDE has more Pulse integration than near anything else out there
[03:43] <francesco_> Daskreech: that cause pulse run only on gnome and kde maybe
[03:43] <francesco_> Daskreech: however on gnome ( ubuntu ) it seams  to me better
[03:44] <Daskreech> Maybe. Might just be ubuntu they seem really focused on getting it to work.
[03:45] <francesco_> Daskreech: on kde I had to install pavucontrol to set a correct output for Pulse otherwise i had to know how to config by hand in /etc/pulse/defalt.pa
[03:45] <Daskreech> More so than Fedora and it's a fedora project
[03:46] <francesco_> Daskreech: It is really possible i miss something ( maybe there is a easyer way ) but installing pavucontrol = a lot of gtk  dep
[03:46] <Daskreech> francesco_: Which KDE are you running?
[03:47] <francesco_> Daskreech: also it is difficult to find it ( for me ) ...  the system suggest me to use phonon to configure all so the user have the felling have not reconized his hardware while ....
[03:48] <francesco_> kde 4.5 I think ( maverik stuff however )
[03:49] <phoenix_firebrd> when i click my memory card in dolphin, it gets mounted read-only. i am using kde 4.6. how to solve this problem
[03:49] <Daskreech> Hmm seems to have Pulse in Multimedia in KDE 4.6
[03:50] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Probably put in a rule in fstab or udev
[03:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: why ?
[03:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: it was working fine, without that
[03:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: now what happened?
[03:52] <Daskreech> I'm not sure It used to be read write?
[03:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: ya. is it something got to do with user privileges?
[03:55] <Daskreech> It's possible. I generally just put a rule in fstab for the umask
[04:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: solved the problem. the problem was a corrupted file system of my memory card. formated it and now mounts correctly.
[04:54] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: That might do it
[05:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: thank you
[05:01] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Hope you didn't lose any files
[05:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: no :)
[05:02] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Ah wonderful :)
[05:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: bye
[05:02] <Daskreech> Bye
[05:35] <apachelogger> Daskreech: what do you mean by check?
[05:36] <Daskreech> apachelogger: someone wanted to check if their sound was going through HDMI
[05:36] <apachelogger> usually one notices :P
[05:37] <apachelogger> but if the HDMI device was listed first in the phonon kcm AND there was no error about HDMI playback not working, then generally the HDMI device is used
[05:37] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[05:37] <Daskreech> Thanks
[05:48] <Daskreech> george_: Just found out that Locking works with Krunner. if you start it then you can lock the screen
[06:07] <vbgunz> how can I get konquerors ctrl+f to STOP being case sensitive? not for nothing, but that's a real terrible default and is urking the hell out of me :/
[06:55] <phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[07:19] <razfazzz> Moin
[07:21] <razfazzz> ich wollte nochma neu installieren. eine frage bitte. auch wenn sie nicht hier hin gehört. ist die 10.04 lts oder die 10.10 maverick besser ? ich hab irgendwie das gefühl das die .04 fixxer is. oder kann das ned sein
[07:21] <Tm_T> !de | razfazzz
[07:22] <razfazzz> thx
[09:08] <fabrizio> rambo
[09:19] <kushagra> Does Kubuntu 10.10 support kde 4.6
[09:26] <noaXess> hey all
[09:26] <noaXess> hat kde apps for dvd creations are available?
[09:27] <james147> noaXess: kdenlive
[09:27] <noaXess> james147: i use kdenlive to create the movei.. but the dvd wizard is not reall impressiv.. cause eg. the dvd menu format is hard coded.. and is 4:3 .. but my movie is 16:9..
[09:29] <james147> noaXess: well, kdenlive is the most user... if not onlu... kde dvd creation tool, though there may be other linux tools around
[09:29] <noaXess> qdvdauthor.. i just read/watch demo
[09:30] <james147> then you know more then I do :)
[09:38] <noaXess> ha seems that qdvdauthor is i big dvd author with a lot of templates ;).
[11:21] <Daughain> Hwow do I set an executabe to run in bash outside its native dir?
[11:29] <janmalte> hi, i was wondering, if the way korganizer creates subcategories violates rfc5546
[11:30] <janmalte> as it suses ":" as the seperator
[11:30] <janmalte> Hord is having heavy troubles with this
[11:34] <shadeslayer_> janmalte: possibly open a bug in bugs.kde.org against this?
[11:34] <janmalte> yes, i will do this no i think. i was just asking at the irc before to get some feedback before doing so
[13:02] <nlsthzn> looking to share photos online and want it to work directly with digikam... what is the most used online service? (imageshack sucks)
[13:14] <ecinx3> how do i share files between two ckubuntu computers on a lan?
[13:24] <shane4ubuntu> ecinx3: you need ssh I find is a simple way, once ssh is installed on both computers, then in dolphin you can just put this in:  sftp://username@ip:/home/username  and you can copy and paste files in a gui way
[13:25] <shane4ubuntu> ecinx3: gotta run for now, but ssh is simple to get up and running there are a few guides around
[13:25] <shane4ubuntu> !ssh
[13:42] <vizyon9> hi
[13:43] <vizyon9> we are newby to ubuntu and have a problem abaut sending faxes throuh windows server  server
[13:43] <vizyon9> how can we handle this problem via ubuntu pls help
[13:44] <vizyon9> windows server 2003
[13:45] <vizyon9> any program any way to follow
[14:45] <allamoox> hii
[15:21] <RLa> what process runs with name "-:0"?
[15:25] <dmaionchi> hi there, i have a little question: when I start kate from the bash I get:QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[15:25] <dmaionchi> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/dmaionchi/.config/ibus/bus
[15:25] <dmaionchi> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[15:25] <dmaionchi> what could be the problem?
[15:25] <dmaionchi> or is this just normal?
[15:26] <dmaionchi> everersince there was no such warning
[15:33] <martin_____> dont know what it is, but i get the same when i start from console
[15:34] <martin_____> and... starting it out of the menu gives the same errors
[15:36] <dmaionchi> ok, i don't then any big problem
[15:56] <markit> hi, how can I setup things so taskbar shows only programs on the current desktop?
[15:59] <moshofosho> right click your taskbar and see if you can figure it out from there
[15:59] <moshofosho> when i first got kde4, i wondered the same thing, and that was my instinct
[16:19] <nikitis> Question.  I originally installed ubuntu but then installed the kubuntu package.  It now loads kubuntu by default which is what i want, however, it still has the gnome logon screen.  How can I fix that?
[16:21] <DarthFrog> nikitis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:23] <nikitis> DarthFrog, brb testing.
[16:24] <nikitis> DarthFrog, Sorry, i did that and selected kdm, but I still get the gnome login screen
[16:25] <nikitis> is there some setting in one of my skeleton directory files?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> No.  Those files are processed only after logging in so how could they alter the choice of login display manager?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Try "sudo apt-get remove gdm"
[16:27] <nikitis> Well i didn't know
[16:28] <DarthFrog> Now you do. :-)
[16:28] <nikitis> brb,
[16:29] <nikitis> DarthFrog, okay that worked
[16:33] <nikitis> Are there any color selections for kde that make windows transparent.  I'm not talking about outer window decorations but inner window?
[16:35] <Tm_T> nikitis: no
[16:55] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[17:06] <Riddell> 17:05 < phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed.  i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: afiestas is the upstream dev for bluedevil :)
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya i know
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what should i do now
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ok ... :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: wait for him to reply? :D
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is he present here?
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:08] <shadeslayer> yes.... he just joined :)
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> great
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> i am very happy that he is present here
[17:08] <shadeslayer> i have to go, you guys have fun :)
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: see you
[17:09] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[17:09] <afiestas> phoenix_firebrd: that may be a bug in libbluedevil we have to work on :(
[17:09] <afiestas>  I can send a patch to test it if you can try
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: sure
[17:09] <afiestas> oks, I'm working right now, give me an hour or something
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: ok
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: i have installed bluedevil 1.0.2
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: libbluedevil version is 1.8
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: i have tried in kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2, bluetooth works fine
[17:13] <phoenix_firebrd> libbluetooth version =4.69
[17:19] <judgen> hi
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> hi
[17:20] <judgen> On my main monitor works perfectly fine, but the other is just black with an empty xserver, Would you possible know how to fix that so i would get an kde session on both screens?
[17:20] <james147> judgen: what graphics card?
[17:20] <james147> and drivers
[17:20] <judgen> it would not be needed if i could move windows between the monitors, but as they seem to be separate i can not.
[17:21] <judgen> It am using binary blob nvidia 260*
[17:21] <judgen> the gfx card is a 8800Ultra
[17:21] <james147> judgen: try using twinview rather then seperate screens
[17:21] <judgen> james147: will do.
[17:22] <judgen> would that not make the windows maximize over both screens?
[17:22] <Guest5191> I have Eucalyptus 1.6.2 installed on ubuntu 10.04 using source installation with kvm. Currently I have ten nodes in my cloud in a single cluster architecture.
[17:22] <Guest5191> I am trying to run Hadoop in a cloud environment. So I will launch hadoop instances on the cloud. Now there is huge data on each Hadoop node so I am planning to use volumes as of now to store that data of each instance i.e Hadoop node. But since volumes are stored at Storage controllers so this means that there is continuous movement of data (lots of GBs) in cloud network from SC to node and also the response time of work done on
[17:22] <Guest5191> Hadoop instances will be slow due to time taken by data to travel in the network.
[17:22] <FloodBotK3> Guest5191: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:22] <james147> judgen: shouldnt
[17:22]  * james147 notes that kde virtually splits the screens back up so that windows behave properly... or at least it should
[17:23] <judgen> ok got to restart X brb
[17:24] <judgen> ok that worked, but no it thinks the secondary monitor is the main one in X
[17:24] <judgen> how do i change that?
[17:26] <james147> judgen: nvidia-settings should beable to set which is the primary one
[17:26] <judgen> james147: i can find no such settings sadly.
[17:26] <judgen> But am very grateful for you input.
[17:27] <james147> judgen: X server Display configureation > select a sccreen > check "make this the primart display for the x screen"
[17:28] <judgen> ok another Xorg restart.
[17:28] <judgen> hope this works.
[17:30] <judgen> that worked perfectly.
[17:30] <netskaven> hell-o!
[17:30] <judgen> Thank you very much Sir.
[17:31] <judgen> And sorry if i was a bit bothersome.
[17:32] <judgen> I do have one more question though, is it possible to put the run dialogue elswhere than on the top of the screen?
[17:32] <james147> judgen: yes
[17:33] <judgen> How would i go about doing that then?
[17:33] <james147> judgen: in the runner click the spanner/config icon > user interface > free floating window
[17:34] <judgen> that worked perfectly.
[17:34] <judgen> thanks again.
[17:34] <judgen> It is not as pretty, but oh su much better.
[17:43] <tsuther> hello all
[17:43] <Guest5191> hey
[17:43] <tsuther> anyone having problems running vmware in natty today?
[17:44] <james147> tsuther: ask in #ubuntu+1 for natty problems
[17:44] <tsuther> thx
[17:47] <Guest5191> Good night guys
[18:03] <judgen> I am perfectly satisfied with kde4 now (4.6) but will the growing pains for people migrating from gnome 2.*>3.0.* be the same or similar?
[18:03] <judgen> i had to use kde3 until 4.6 as much of the behaviour was not on par with my own.
[18:03] <judgen> now it is almost perfect.
[18:05] <james147> judgen: gnome3 isnt a complete (or basically a complete) rewrite, which kde3->4 was, meaning they are not likly to lose any features that they didnt delibrtly throw away, unlike kde4, which just hadent reimplmented them yet...
[18:05] <judgen> twould there be any issues you could think of though?
[18:06] <james147> judgen: usual problems of intoducing new and radical features....
[18:06] <nikitis> Only biff about kde4 i have is not being able to have one wallpapper go across two monitors.
[18:07]  * james147 hated that `feature` about gnome :p
[18:07] <james147> ^^ well at elast the inability to ahve two different wallpapers :)
[18:07] <judgen> the growing pains from gtk+ 1.2 to 2.* was horrible
[18:08] <nikitis> I mean twinview by definition is 1 desktop, two monitors,  Makes sense to me that should also include 1 wallpaper per desktop.
[18:08] <judgen> nikitis: a simple fic would be to cut the wallpaper into two and select each part as needed?
[18:08] <judgen> fix*
[18:09] <nikitis> judgen, too impractical.  I have 1000's of 3840x1200 wallpapers
[18:09] <james147> nikitis: ^^ then by that logic window should also maximise over both screens
[18:09] <nikitis> Some simple code doing a monitor check should allow it
[18:09] <nikitis> Do a check, if both monitors are the same resolutions, allow it across both
[18:10] <nikitis> if they aren't don't allow it
[18:10] <nikitis> and you can't tell me that it's difficult to implement that.  After all we can drag applications from one to the other
[18:10] <james147> ^^ or, let the user chose... have an option to stretch a wallpaper over both screens regardless
[18:10] <nikitis> exactly
[18:11] <judgen> nikitis: do you use all 1k of the wallpapers at once?
[18:11] <nikitis> But the only argument i've heard towards that end is, not everyone with two monitors have the same resolution
[18:11] <james147> nikitis: then suggest it to the kde devs, or implment ti and submit a patch :)
[18:11] <nikitis> judgen, i switch daily
[18:11] <nikitis> james147, i did, that's where i got the information that not all monitors match
[18:11] <nikitis> they just don't want to implement it
[18:12] <judgen> nikitis: i do not want the be rude, but why?, are none of them good enough?
[18:12] <judgen> i switch four times per year or there about.
[18:12] <nikitis> I like my desktops
[18:12] <james147> judgen: ^^ it not that any of them are not good enough, but could be that they are all too good :D
[18:12] <nikitis> i want to see them all
[18:12] <judgen> aaah
[18:13] <nikitis> so i change daily or every two days
[18:13] <judgen> i have windows covering the wallpapers all time except when i have just logged in =P
[18:13] <nikitis> so having to do that for all of them is like bleh
[18:13]  * james147 changes ever 30 mins ^^ :D
[18:13] <judgen> james147: holy smokes.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> nikitis, just to clear something up from yesterday. I have 3 samsung monitors , but they're all on different pcs, so I'm not familair with multi m ontor setups
[18:14] <judgen> I have 4 images that i use and have used since 1992. I change for each season.
[18:14] <judgen> oh i lied i also use the carribean toucan on my amiga.
[18:14] <judgen> sorry
[18:15] <judgen> that image is from deluxe paint i think.
[18:16] <nikitis> BluesKaj, i'm just surpised as visually appealing and customizable as kde is.  that there isn't a simple multimonitor wallpaper option.
[18:16] <nikitis> Seems elementary
[18:16] <judgen> is the compositing part of kwin or a separate module?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> nikitis, agreed
[18:16] <nikitis> kwin is a window manager
[18:16] <BluesKaj> and one panasonic plasma tv that i use as a monitor connected to our media-server, which I use  for internet stuff, when not watching tv
[18:17] <nikitis> compositing is the tying of the window manager to the 3d accelerator
[18:17] <nikitis> BluesKaj, i have soo many issues with the tv/monitor industry right now
[18:17] <nikitis> BluesKaj, For example.  I have this nice new media room with this house i bought
[18:17] <Peace-> nikitis: i have a video instead
[18:17] <Peace-> xD
[18:18] <nikitis> I want to buy a 70 inch TV.
[18:18] <nikitis> The problem?
[18:18] <nikitis> Sure it covers a lot of screen area
[18:18] <nikitis> but it's still only like 1920x1080 pixels
[18:18] <nikitis> I need actual width, and resolution
[18:18] <judgen> http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/koma-comic-strip-windows.jpg good one
[18:19] <nikitis> I want 10000x7600 pixel TV's
[18:19] <nikitis> So i can use it as a computer with all my apps displayed
[18:19] <judgen> nikitis: a 70" tv is a waste of money, so as me an get a projector for the money, mine can project up to 142 feet in size.
[18:19] <nikitis> and have TV as Picture in picture
[18:19] <judgen> and it uses alot less space
[18:19] <Peace-> james147: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/video-for-your-desktop/ :P
[18:20] <judgen> i have a hauppage tv-card in my pc so i do not even own a TV
[18:20] <judgen> no need.
[18:20] <nikitis> When is the industry going to get it in their heads I want high resolution screens.  Did you know you can hardly find a 1920x1200 screen anymore.  They lowered them to match blu-ray which is only 1920x1080.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> nikitis, well that depends on your viewing distance , a 70" tv to be viewed correct distance shoyld be 2.5to3.5 the screen size away from the tv ...if your room can accomodate that distance and most can then you're in business
[18:21] <judgen> nikitis: there is no reason to sell higher density.. the price for those is to low anyways.
[18:21] <judgen> compared to pruduction costs
[18:21] <nikitis> judgen, I need a high resolution solution.
[18:21] <james147> Peace-: :D yeah, remember seeing something similar a while ago... though i prefure not to waste that many gup cycles on eye candy :D
[18:21] <nikitis> i don't care about price
[18:21] <nikitis> But can you even buy much higher resolution monitors?
[18:22] <judgen> I also have two CRT's with over 3000x* in resolution. it is good enough and they last forever almost.
[18:22] <nikitis> I want mother f*##&n screens the size of CTU in the tv show 24.
[18:22] <Peace-> james147: hahahah :D true
[18:22] <judgen> 24 is like the cake.
[18:22] <BluesKaj> my plasma is a mere 42" , small by todays stds but quite adequate at 8ft away
[18:23] <nikitis> i don't want adequate, i want extreme.  Find it for me
[18:23] <nikitis> See if it exist
[18:24] <nikitis> if i'm going to be using a computer/TV for 3-4 hours a day, Plus 8 hours for work.  I want nothing less than amazing
[18:24] <judgen> nikitis: 142 feet at 2048x* in size is good enough for most.
[18:24] <judgen> get a projector
[18:24] <nikitis> judgen, i currently use 3840x1200.  And i need more room.  But the two monitors together are only like 4.5 feet across.
[18:25] <nikitis> 7680x4800 would be perfect for all of my applications i use daily for work
[18:25] <judgen> you can have several projectors though. 2x2048=4096
[18:25] <nikitis> i wouldn't need more than that
[18:25] <nikitis> True
[18:26] <judgen> three ones would be over 6100px
[18:26] <nikitis> But bulbs man
[18:26] <judgen> if you are going to use it indoors get the LED projectors.
[18:26] <nikitis> plus projectors never really give the kind of clarity/sharpness as an actual omled
[18:26] <nikitis> or brightness if the light is on
[18:27] <judgen> nothing beats CRT if you want clarity and colour correctness though
[18:27] <nikitis> LCD is sharpest
[18:27] <nikitis> CRT is colors
[18:27] <nikitis> Projection is size
[18:28] <judgen> LCD is crap in matter of longevity though. only about 3 years on average.
[18:28] <nikitis> wha?  naw
[18:28] <nikitis> I've had my monitors for 5 years now
[18:28] <nikitis> 1920x1200
[18:28] <judgen> guess you had luck, but i said average.
[18:28] <nikitis> and they run 24/7
[18:29] <judgen> i have NEC CRT's that has survived earthquakes and the likes for about 25 years.
[18:29] <nikitis> Hope you don't get cancer from them
[18:29] <judgen> by todays standard, not very good resolution though =D
[18:29] <nikitis> and space
[18:29]  * james147 has a 7 year old lcd tahts still going strong, and another that hasnt shown any sign of weekness after 3
[18:29] <nikitis> so much space CRT's
[18:30] <judgen> james147: some LCD's does not survive 1 year. i have had several.
[18:30] <nikitis> LCD's last much longer than 3 years
[18:30] <nikitis> what kind are you buying?
[18:30] <nikitis> cheapos?
[18:30] <judgen> maybe but average is alot lower than you think.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> we have 3 22" samsungs that are 3 yrs old...seem fine still..
[18:30] <james147> judgen: then you must have has some real bad luck... dont think i have seen many... if any lcds actualy die
[18:31]  * BluesKaj knocks on wood
[18:31] <judgen> also the possibillity of pixel failiure is high after 2 years.
[18:31] <james147> judgen: yea, but thats not a complete failure :)
[18:31] <judgen> the larger the screen, the more likely is the event of failiure though.
[18:31] <judgen> atleast in my experience
[18:32] <james147> ^^ i would say the opposite :) but only beacuse laptops have smaller screens, and tend to get thrown around allot :D
[18:32] <judgen> james147: that is true.
[18:32]  * james147 has seen many laptop lcds die due to being thwoen somewher :D
[18:32] <nikitis> survey says average lifespan of lcd's are 50,000 to 60,000 hours.  There's 8760 hours in a year if you ran them nonstop.  50,000/8760 = 5.6 years
[18:32] <james147> but never due to age ^^
[18:32] <judgen> i have a dell c600 that still lives.
[18:33] <Peace-> james147: ah you luck man i got a hp pavillion that after 1.5 year = burned lcd :(
[18:33] <nikitis> 60,000/8760 = 6.7 years
[18:33] <james147> nikitis: yeah, thats about what I would expect
[18:34] <james147> although less with laptops since they tend to get abused
[18:34] <Peace-> well now led should be 20 years long
[18:34] <nikitis> and that's what they are built for, may last longer/shorter
[18:34] <nikitis> CRT's are good for 10 years on average
[18:34] <nikitis> but if used often, can last longer
[18:34] <judgen> nikitis: using those kind of statistics is equal to using the manufacturers numbers for longevity on hard drives, and we have all had drives that first started to go slower, then louder then fail eventually. Even before the warranty is passed.
[18:34] <nikitis> the more electricity that runs through them the better
[18:35] <james147> nikitis: ^^ up to a point.... i think they tend to blow up if you pass tomuch though them :)
[18:35] <nikitis> judgen, i'm running 5 harddrives in my pc.  2 of which are 8 years old.  But according to google, who uses more harddrives than anyone.  Says they last from 1 year to 5 average
[18:35] <judgen> also those tests are performed in a cleanroom and perfect electrical supply without spikes or outages.
[18:36] <judgen> i can claim safely that due to the poor electrical supply in Southern CA my equippment aged faster.
[18:36] <nikitis> judgen, power supply's are built for interruption.  otherwise on first lightning strike they'd blow.
[18:36] <Peace-> james147: http://vimeo.com/20217266 kdenlive omg this is amazing xD i am spammin :P
[18:36] <nikitis> judgen, could be
[18:38] <james147> Peace-: :S your links keep killing ym konquror :S
[18:38] <Peace-> james147: hahahaha sorry man :(
[18:39] <judgen> Anyone except me uses Opera exclusively on KDE4?
[18:39] <judgen> It is just so fast
[18:39] <nikitis> Chrome here
[18:39]  * james147 uses konq, rekonq and chromium 
[18:40] <Peace-> Peace-:  the same of james147
[18:40] <Peace-> xD
[18:40]  * james147 notes that this is a little offtopic ^^ 
[18:40] <Guest5191> lol firefox for me
[18:40]  * Peace- note that james147 has right
[18:41] <nikitis> i like firefox, but chrome is a bit lighter
[18:41] <judgen> Guest5191: i used firefox until i installed kde and felt it to be ugly, so i tried alot of different browsers. but the speed of opera won me over.
[18:42] <judgen> i have written some add ons that i love for firefox though, and no other browser allows me to fake the headers so i can see my american tv shows on the web afaik.
[18:42] <Guest5191> opera's not to shabby actually especially with it's new unite feature
[18:42] <nikitis> Peace-, i have a buddy who built something like that light painting, cept it didn't paint but he'd have a projector tied to a computer with a webcam, and virtual rain would project.  And where ever he walked it would bounce off of him.
[18:42] <Senix> judgen; try firefox4-beta11
[18:43] <judgen> Senix: there is no add-ons for ff4 to spoof headers.. so no there is no need to even try it again.
[18:43] <Peace-> nikitis: that video is made in kdenlive :P
[18:43] <Guest5191> i tried beta 8, it was pretty good
[18:44] <Peace-> nikitis: using a freior plugin in
[18:44] <judgen> too bad that opera is not OSS then it would be perfect.
[18:45] <Guest5191> @judgen true that
[18:45] <nikitis> Peace-, here is my friends work.  http://www.vimeo.com/833058
[18:46] <nikitis> images get generated based on touch
[18:46] <OchoZero9> how do i get a second monitor hooked up to my laptop?
[18:46] <Peace-> nikitis: wth
[18:47] <judgen> is it just me that dislikes the empahsis on touch screens to control the ui nowdays.. i mean on phones i guess it is ok. but on pc's it just dirties up the screen.
[18:47] <Peace-> OchoZero9: mmm systemsettings -->display
[18:47] <Guest5191> wow now that was cool
[18:47] <Senix> nikitis; thats awesome
[18:47] <nikitis> haha, he's a very smart 3d designer, one of the top developers for blender
[18:47] <nikitis> and he's messing with 3d rendering and webcams
[18:47] <OchoZero9> Peace-, it doesn't work
[18:48] <judgen> blender is a very good application.
[18:48] <Guest5191> it sure is
[18:48] <judgen> wish they would update it for Haiku again.
[18:48] <OchoZero9> This module is only for configuring systems wiht a single desktop sperad across multipme monitors. youd do not happear to have this configuration
[18:48] <nikitis> We used to game together at LAN Parties
[18:48] <judgen> but there might be less of a point as haiku currently lacks hw 3d rendering again.
[18:48] <nikitis> he's very good at UT2004
[18:48] <Guest5191> anyways see you later guys gotta big exam tommorow gotta study for it
[18:48] <Peace-> OchoZero9: video card?
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: guess is the driver issue i have an intel and it works
[18:49] <OchoZero9> i don't have one
[18:49] <judgen> nikitis: so am i =) i used to be at spot 224 in the world under the pseudonym Louise when i played.
[18:49] <OchoZero9> the processor is the video card
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: lspci
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: lspci | grep -i video
[18:49] <Senix> nikitis; I want to do this :p
[18:50] <Peace-> nikitis: it's open source?
[18:50] <Peace-> is it
[18:50] <Senix> Peace-; im guessing he used blender to do it.
[18:51] <Senix> Peace-; So if he released the blend file then we could try it out.
[18:51] <nikitis> http://www.vimeo.com/2450612
[18:51] <Peace-> Senix: mm i don't  think so
[18:51] <nikitis> he designed that gorilla at the intro
[18:55] <Peace-> nikitis: nice
[18:55] <nikitis> he's very smart
[18:56] <nikitis> he made this sweet 3d video for one of our 100+ man LAN parties
[18:56] <nikitis> trying to find it
[18:57] <nikitis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8KyPTjjygo  He made this video in 2004
[18:57] <Senix> nikitis; that cool and all, but i really want to build one of those tables
[18:58] <nikitis> Skip to 2:05 to see the cool 3d stuff
[18:58] <phoenix_firebrd> n
[19:16] <OchoZero9> Peace-,  lspci | grep -i video did nohting
[19:18] <abhijeet> can somebody help me...regarding my laptop touchpad...the pointer freezes after every few minutes...i m running kubuntu 10.10
[19:35] <Mike1> Hi! What VoIP-program do you recommend? I don’t want to use Skype because it runs bad under Linux and is not free etc.
[19:38] <genii-around> Mike1: In kubuntu there is kphone specifically. Others include mumble and ekiga. There is a commercial one similar to skype called gizmogadget
[19:40] <Mike1> genii-around: I want to talk with a friend who is pretty new to KUbuntu, so what’s the easiest, most relieable program of the ones you mentioned?
[19:40] <Mike1> no need for fancy features, videochat would be nice but not necessary
[19:41] <genii-around> Mike1: kphone then, it's simple and just does SIP.
[22:06] <rosco_y> I set my default panel to "auto hide", now I can't find it--can get it back?
[22:09] <rosco_y> what would I search for in my process list, if I just wanted to kill it?
[22:12] <james147> rosco_y: the panel is part of plasma-desktop... killing that might not help much as it will restore its settings when you reload it
[22:13] <james147> rosco_y: you can reset it to default settings by quiting it (kquitapp plasma-desktop) then renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* (file beginging with plasma) and starting plasma-deskotp again
[22:14] <rosco_y> Thank you james147, I think I'll do that because I don't really have my desktop customized muh anyways:)
[22:15] <rosco_y> It's been a long ddya....the tpyoss ruel
[22:21] <Peace-> james147: bye james147 :P
[22:22] <james147> Peace-: Bye
[22:33] <vale> ciao gente, è possibile impostare QoS da kubuntu senza passare dalle impostazioni del router?
[22:33] <vale> ho uno di quei maledetti router telecom e non riesco a trovare nulla nelle impostazioni
[22:34] <vale> sorry, now i've realized thi is the english channel :)
[23:26] <mark___> hello
[23:31] <dannyg123> hey all I have a question about grub2. See I have arch linux installed and kubuntu which wiped out that grub and now I want arch to boot with the option quiet but I cant find the file to add that option