[00:10] <FloridaGuy> i know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..?
[00:13] <yofel> depends, you could use libeatmydata so fsync() does nothing - use dpkg --force-unsafe-io which only disables sync() and thus isn't as insane as libeatmydata - or buy an SSD
[00:13] <yofel> I guess other methods are there too
[00:19] <FloridaGuy> yofel: why would i buy an ssd harddrive...i would just switch to arch
[00:19] <cjohnston> is anyone else running +1 being told that the only thing available is a partial upgrade for multiple days now?
[00:20] <yofel> FloridaGuy: for me setting force-unsafe-io does speed things up, so I'm happy with that
[00:22] <FloridaGuy> yofel: it would be what..apt-get install <package name> -force-unsafe-io
[00:22] <yofel> no, add 'force-unsafe-io' to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg in a new line
[00:23] <FloridaGuy> ok
[00:25] <FloridaGuy> yofel: put force-unsafe-io under...  no-debsig or log /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:26] <FloridaGuy> never mind a new line
[00:26] <yofel> I put it under the first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/571432/
[00:27] <yofel> I don't think it matters
[00:28] <FloridaGuy> ok...thanks...ill reboot for the... linux-image-2.6.38-020638rc6-generic_2.6.38-020638rc6.201102220910_i386 ....then come back and see how that does
[00:41] <Eruaran> hi all
[00:41] <Eruaran> I saw a bunch of updates to x and stuff today
[00:41] <Eruaran> Does that mean *maybe* ati/nvidia drivers might work now?
[00:41] <Eruaran> Or am i jumping the gun a bit?
[00:43] <bjsnider> you're jumping several guns
[00:43] <bjsnider> quite impressive, actually
[00:43] <Eruaran> wow yay me :P
[00:51] <Daekdroom> Eruaran, I'd try waiting for the fglrx/nvidia-current updates, really
[00:51] <Daekdroom> X stack getting updates usually do not mean closed sources driver that weren't working will start working.
[00:52] <Eruaran> Daekdroom: ok
[00:52] <Eruaran> I'll keep a keen eye out
[00:52] <Eruaran> oh, how are things looking with fglrx?
[00:53] <Eruaran> I've never been able to get my HD3650 to work nicely
[00:53] <Eruaran> Only ever been able to get desktop effects / crash if you want to play a game OR... beautiful gaming / no desktop effects
[00:54] <Eruaran> If that's sorted soon I'll put my HD3650 back in my system
[03:23]  * Eruaran lurks
[05:26] <kmqat> Hi, I've got an Acer AO522 with an AMD Ontario APU that fails to boot with the daily build. I haven't been able to find the corresponding bug. Is this a known issue?
[05:35] <kmqat> Also, the specific problem is that the screen goes crazy nuts and locks up. How can I get some kind of log output before that happens? (booting from USB)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> anyone do a clean install of Natty? i would like to know if ubuntu software center replaced synaptic yet
[08:02] <gnomefreak> lots of updates in less than 4 hours :)
[08:57] <geser> anyone else haveing the problem that the mouse scrollwheel doesn't scroll anymore?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> geser: on a laptop or normal mouse?
[08:59] <geser> normal mouse
[09:00] <gnomefreak> laptop == touchpad
[09:00] <gnomefreak> geser: no my mouse works fine
[09:00] <susundberg> my mouse is still working properly also
[09:01] <gnomefreak> apport-collect doesnt seem to be working for me though
[09:01] <geser> I'll try #ubuntu-x then if they have any idea what's broken in my natty
[09:02]  * gnomefreak is hungry but no one is is open this early
[09:10] <gnomefreak> ok so i have filed like 5 bugs in 2days, i am tired of fileing bugs for now
[09:29] <cdbs> Looks like my Synaptics touchpad isn't working at all
[09:29] <cdbs> anyone else with similar issues?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> cdbs: i few people the other day
[09:29] <cdbs> I updated today, it was fine till yesterday
[09:29] <cdbs> and I updated yesterday as well
[09:30] <cdbs> gnomefreak: ?
[09:30] <cdbs> I didn't get you
[09:30] <gnomefreak> cdbs: a few people were complaining about touchpad not working
[09:31] <cdbs> gnomefreak: any workaround?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i dont think anyone filed a bug on it
[09:31] <gnomefreak> cdbs: not that i know of
[09:31] <cdbs> hmm
[09:32] <cdbs> The mouse click button is working, though
[09:32]  * gnomefreak never uses the touchpad
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i like my usb mouse alot better
[09:37] <htorque> cdbs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051
[09:38] <htorque> cdbs, also, RAOF is looking for users facing that problem
[09:38] <cdbs> htorque: yes, I already got the bug link, thanks to LP search
[11:10] <ebischoff> Hi people. I have installed the latest updates to natty. One one of my machines (a macintosh), everything is perfect. On the other one (a PC with NVidia video card), I can't go past plymouth. Last messages on screen are about mounted filesystems. I am able to chroot into the old system from this Live CD.
[11:11] <susundberg> so your X/Nvidia drivers are not working properly
[11:11] <susundberg> ?
[11:12] <ebischoff> not sure. All i can say is that i keep seeing forever the four dots cycling welcome screen
[11:12] <susundberg> Oh wait, plymonth is "Plymouth is a bootsplash for Linux. It supports animations."
[11:13] <susundberg> Hmm, no console access with ctrl + alt + f1/f2
[11:13] <ebischoff> yes, i see the bootsplash, and then that's all.
[11:13] <susundberg> i guess no if its plymonth still running
[11:13] <ebischoff> no console access, no ssh, but pings are okay
[11:13] <susundberg> you could try without "splash" and "quiet" options
[11:13] <yofel> print+alt+k and then ctrl+alt+f2 should give you a terminal
[11:13] <susundberg> oh!
[11:13] <susundberg> good to know!
[11:14] <yofel> the first one is sysrq+k and will kill plymouth
[11:14] <ebischoff> oh, that one is a cool tip
[11:14] <yofel> if that doesn't give you a terminal it's stuck in the boot process well before X
[11:14] <susundberg> "The magic SysRq key is a key" :)
[11:14] <susundberg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[11:15] <yofel> if it does check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:15] <ebischoff> i can get a console from a chrooted environment
[11:15] <ebischoff> ok, checking this one now
[11:17] <ebischoff> that's funny. I don't seem to have Xorg.log* files in /var/log
[11:18] <ebischoff> i'll try the sysreq trick and also try to get fresh dmesg from there
[11:18] <ebischoff> see you folks
[11:18] <ebischoff> aaaah wait wait wait
[11:19] <ebischoff> i have an onboard video card and an extra video card
[11:19] <ebischoff> i'll try to boot from the onboard card
[11:19] <ebischoff> it least it would give me a system
[11:19] <ebischoff> see you later
[11:35] <jml> my time indicator is showing the wrong day
[12:32] <ebischoff> OK people. Still not booting further as the plymouth. Alt+Sysreq+k not working. Also tried with no effect to use another video card. Up to yesterday no problem booting.
[12:41] <marijus> anyone not getting unity to start after todays updates?
[12:43] <ebischoff> i don't know what unity is, but my system does not boot anymore after recebt updates
[12:44] <yofel> unity is the new desktop interface
[12:44] <yofel> ebischoff: which graphics driver did/do you use?
[12:44] <ebischoff> ah, i'm using kde
[12:45] <ebischoff> i tried to boot on my nvidia card, and also on the onboard card
[12:45] <yofel> did you have the nvidia driver installed?
[12:45] <ebischoff> funny enough, no problem at all on the macintosh, while i did the updates exactly at the same time
[12:46] <marijus> getting this error starting compiz with unity enabled: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571699/
[12:46] <yofel> my thinkpad boots fine with nvidia using nouveau
[12:47] <ebischoff> strange thing is, no log file modified in var/log, apart from the ones modified when using aptitude from the chroot environment
[12:48] <yofel> hm... then it's possibly stuck on mounting filesystems during boot
[12:48] <yofel> someone else did report something like that
[12:48] <ebischoff> i don't know which drivers it's trying to use. i tried putting a safe vesa setup with xorg.conf file, with no effect. also tried removing xorg.conf
[12:48] <ebischoff> yes there are similar reports on the forum : plymouth continuing forever
[12:49] <ebischoff> i'm not sure it's linked to xorg. I've been looking at xorg because the latest updates are related to xorg, but it seems the problem is much earlier
[12:49] <ebischoff> last messages are related to fsck, which are completly normal
[12:50] <yofel> yeah, if you don't even get to a tty then it's probably stuck earlier, proti and hggdh were discussing mount issues a while ago
[12:51] <ebischoff> i can try booting to runlevel 1 to prove it is unrelated to xorg
[12:52] <ebischoff> yes i don't get other ttys with ctrl alt f1 and such
[12:52] <ebischoff> pings answer, but not ssh
[12:53] <yofel> upstart doesn't really care about runlevels - so if anything disable KDM
[12:53] <ebischoff> i'm booting natty on the mac right now to get a irc client and continue this discussion while being able to do the tests
[12:53] <yofel> you can add --verbose to the kernel options too so upstart tells you what it tries to do
[12:53] <ebischoff> ok will do
[12:53] <yofel> not easily debuggable though since it starts the jobs asynchronous
[12:55] <ebischoff> ok, i'm back from the mac
[12:56] <ebischoff> so rebooting from the pc with --verbose as kernel arg
[12:56] <ebischoff> and disabling kdm
[12:58] <yofel> you could also try to use init=/bin/sh (or bash) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[12:58] <hggdh> what goes on? Unable to finish boot on natty?
[12:58]  * hggdh goes read the backlog
[12:59] <ebischoff> yes, unable to boot
[12:59] <hggdh> hum. Would you, per chance, have multiple filesystems?
[12:59] <ebischoff> funny enough, this is same natty, but on my mac, here
[12:59] <ebischoff> only ext4
[13:00] <hggdh> only one filesystem?
[13:00] <ebischoff> many
[13:00] <hggdh> yeah
[13:00] <hggdh> sounds like myself and proti
[13:00] <hggdh> bad news
[13:01] <ebischoff> --verbose, or verbose, after ro single ?
[13:01] <hggdh> I have been able to (eventually) complete the boot, but ecryptfs is hosed, which means I cannot login (root can, no ecryptfs for root)
[13:01] <hggdh> --verbose
[13:01] <ebischoff> no encrypted fs here
[13:01] <hggdh> but you will probably still hang -- but you have to try anyway
[13:02] <ebischoff> wow lots of stuff
[13:02] <hggdh> yeah. the end protion is the only thing we will be able to look at
[13:02] <ebischoff> network-interface (eth0) pre-start process exited normally
[13:02] <ebischoff> othe eth0 messages
[13:03] <ebischoff> handling started event
[13:03] <hggdh> oh, you are cabled (I am not, so I never see these)
[13:03] <ebischoff> mountall-net main process exited normally
[13:03] <ebischoff> handling stopping event
[13:03] <hggdh> and then you are stuck, right?
[13:03] <ebischoff> mountall-net state changed from stopping to killed
[13:03] <Guest85918> since last update my system can't boot further than loading udev (I think it is stuck there), also I figured that the update included the 2.6.38-5-generic kernel but uname -r shows 2.6.37, where can I start looking for the error?
[13:03] <ebischoff> handling stopped event
[13:03] <ebischoff> and that's all
[13:04] <ebischoff> same problem with -4 kernel
[13:04] <hggdh> Guest85918: there seems to be a regression on udev. I know it affects *installation*, but I do not know the full impact
[13:05] <hggdh> ebischoff: you will need to reboot, and follow the instructions on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[13:05] <ebischoff> ok, init=/bin/sh ?
[13:05] <hggdh> you *may* be able to complete boot (eventually)
[13:05] <hggdh> I would use init=/bin/bash
[13:06] <Guest85918> i managed to jump into console and startx as root, than I had to start dbus and some other stuff now I can at least go online and get help.
[13:06] <hggdh> ebischoff: after getting to the bash prompt on tty1: open a getty on tty2; then go to tty2, and open a getty on tty3; and again tty3 to open a getty on tty4
[13:06] <hggdh> ebischoff: you will probably need the additional shells
[13:06] <Guest85918> why does uname -r show the old kernel version although apt-get install says that 2.6.38 is already installed?
[13:07] <yofel> Guest85918: does sudo update-grub list the 38 kernel?
[13:08] <proti> ebischoff: congrats you have the same bug as I.
[13:08] <Guest85918> yes, but just like "Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic
[13:08] <Guest85918> "
[13:08] <yofel> o.O? that's a real installation?
[13:09] <hggdh> oh
[13:09] <proti> morning all
[13:10] <hggdh> Guest85918: please run 'dpkg -l linux\image\*' and pastebin the results here
[13:10] <hggdh> sulut proti, we have another fellow with our issue
[13:10] <proti> I saw that.
[13:10] <ebischoff> yeah got a shell
[13:10] <yofel> er, dpkg -l linux-image-* you mean
[13:11] <hggdh> and I am still unable to raise awareness on this
[13:11] <Guest85918>  dpkg -l linux-image-* makes -> http://pastebin.com/wedJYqu0
[13:12] <proti> hggdh: It's a stealth problem that can have huge impact when the next image will be out.
[13:12] <hggdh> aye
[13:12] <ebischoff> ok, how do i call this getty thing ?
[13:12] <proti> getty -8 -n -l /bin/bash 3844 tty<x> &
[13:13] <proti> ebischoff: don't forget the & at the end.
[13:13] <proti> I getting good at typing this command :)
[13:13] <hggdh> weird, I do not see any Xen kernel installed
[13:14] <proti> ebischoff: 38400* sorry
[13:14] <noah> I did that dist-upgrade today, yesterday was everything fine
[13:14] <ebischoff> command accepted silently, but no Ctrl-Alt-F2 switch
[13:15] <proti> ebischoff: try just alt F<x> where x is the same x as the tty
[13:15] <ebischoff> 38400 instead of 3844 solved
[13:18] <ebischoff> ok, got 6 terminals
[13:18] <proti> e
[13:18] <ebischoff> now what ? ;-)
[13:18] <proti> initial console -> exec init
[13:20] <ebischoff> stuck after the various fscks apparently
[13:21] <ebischoff> but still got the other consoles, that's cool
[13:22] <ebischoff> funny, there are two fsck processes still running
[13:23] <ebischoff> ah it's normal fsck, sorry, mounted too many times
[13:23] <proti> now what I did :
[13:23] <proti> kill -9 <pid of mountall>
[13:24] <proti> run mountall by hand several times until everything is mounted
[13:24] <proti> sometimes mount -a before helps
[13:24] <proti> then kill is the mountall does not finish
[13:24] <proti> until it works ok
[13:24] <ebischoff> or i could simply do the mounts by hand
[13:25] <proti> not enough
[13:25] <ebischoff> including proc and dev, i mean
[13:25] <proti> upstart relies on the mountall running and telling him it's running
[13:25] <ebischoff> ah got it
[13:25] <proti> before starting the next service
[13:26] <proti> upstart needs to verify mountall is ok (all fs mounted before running next)
[13:26] <proti> hggdh: here dbus is not running
[13:26] <proti> ie. does not start
[13:26] <ebischoff> worked !
[13:26] <hggdh> proti: will check
[13:26] <ebischoff> it's booting
[13:27] <ebischoff> you're a genious
[13:27] <ebischoff> ok it was a mounting problem then
[13:27] <ebischoff> no xorg stuff
[13:27] <hggdh> dbus-daemon is running here
[13:27] <proti> Thanks, you're lucid....:)
[13:28] <proti> hggdh: says -> unable to connect to the system bus : Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
[13:29] <proti> Funny since it's the system dbus server...
[13:29] <proti> The unix socket exists (shoud it ?).
[13:30] <ebischoff> i have to go to the dentist now
[13:30] <proti> ebischoff: sorry for you
[13:30] <ebischoff> we'll restart after that
[13:30] <ebischoff> lol
[13:30] <proti> ebischoff: xorg not starting is a normal problem I have at this time
[13:30] <ebischoff> wonder what was worse, not able to debug the system or going to the dentist ;-)
[13:30] <noah> proti: had the same, did sudo start dbus -> worked
[13:31] <ebischoff> yes xorg does not start but i guess i have to pass nomodeset to the kernel ?
[13:31] <proti> noah: me too, says started/running (no pid) and no process is showing in the ps list
[13:31] <proti> ebischoff: you have nvidia ?
[13:31] <ebischoff> yes
[13:31] <proti> with nouveau or nvidia ?
[13:32] <ebischoff> dunno, switched so many times ;-)
[13:32] <ebischoff> nv
[13:32] <proti> I suggest keeping nouveau once they fix the occasional freeze.
[13:32] <proti> ebischoff: no way, nv is dead and buried
[13:32] <ebischoff> nouveau made me so many problems
[13:33] <proti> what hardware ?
[13:33] <proti> My Xorg is down whereas the one at work is running
[13:33] <yofel> if you get the freeze, you can try to use nouveau.noaccel=1 as kernel parameter, works for me, no 3D of course
[13:33] <proti> of course
[13:33] <ebischoff> ok, just tried nouveau and it froze my screens ;-)
[13:33] <ebischoff> i'll sort that out later
[13:34] <proti> Well startx on console is working but not initctl start gdm
[13:34] <proti> funny
[13:35] <yofel> you can read up on the most common freeze on freedesktop bug 26980
[13:40] <proti> ok, fixed, and remaining /var/run/dbus/pid file
[13:40] <proti> was causing the trouble
[13:40] <proti> an remaining*
[13:41] <proti> hggdh: is there a workaround for mountall (execing 'mount -a' instead ?)
[13:44] <noah> is it normal that I get root access to my system when pressing Alt+Sysrq+i on startup without the need of a pwd or anything?
[13:44] <proti> noah: Yes
[13:45] <proti> Read the txt file about sysrq
[13:45] <proti> sysrq+i means kill everything but init.
[13:45] <noah> yes, but i did not know that i wil automatically get logged into my system as root when using is
[13:45] <noah> it*
[13:46] <proti> That is the default behaviour for upstart. An emergency procedure I think.
[13:56] <hassan> guys anyone can help?
[13:56] <hassan> i cant login to my ubuntu
[13:56] <hassan> i kept getting that x.org error
[13:56] <proti> hassan: could you tell a little bit more ?
[13:56] <proti> what x.org error ?
[13:57] <hassan> well restarted pc i was sent to terminal, tried startx didnt work
[13:57] <hassan> they said check the log
[13:57] <proti> so ?
[13:57] <hggdh> proti: Colin is asking some questions on the bug
[13:57] <hassan> did check did google try to update ugprade
[13:57] <hassan> still cant login to ubuntu
[13:58] <hassan> basicaly i am on my win7
[13:58] <proti> hggdh: where ?
[13:58] <hggdh> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/723482
[13:58] <proti> ah ok
[13:59] <proti> I'll do it now.
[14:00] <hassan> my vga is intel
[14:00] <proti> Too bad, I've got back my X windows
[14:00] <proti> env
[14:00] <proti> hassan: what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says ?
[14:00] <hassan> a big file :P
[14:01] <proti> grep for (EE)
[14:01] <hassan> if i login from startup usb ubuntu 10.10 can i get that .log file and put it for you on some website or mail it?
[14:02] <proti> pastebin it ....
[14:02] <proti> oh
[14:02] <proti> you need X for that
[14:02] <proti> hassan: just : grep 'EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:02] <proti> and look at the output
[14:03] <hassan> okay
[14:03] <hassan> and how i can show u the errors
[14:03] <hassan> i login from my 2nd pc and write them?
[14:03] <arand_> You don't need X for pastebin... just install pastebinit
[14:03] <hassan> command to pastebinit is?
[14:04] <hassan> after i install it
[14:04] <arand_> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:04] <hassan> okay
[14:04] <proti> hggdh: dpkg.log posted.
[14:04] <arand_> or "command that produces text | pastebinit
[14:05] <hassan> brb then i will run again ubuntu
[14:05] <hassan> and do that
[14:05] <hassan> thanks
[14:05] <hassan> be back in few
[14:13] <hassan-> hi proti still there?
[14:13] <hassan-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/571736/
[14:18] <arand_> Seems like it's your keyboard that's messing up o_=
[14:19] <hassan-> ideas?
[14:19] <hassan-> replace it with another and test?
[14:20] <hassan-> and u think only windows is messed up from mircosoft seems there keyboard is worse lol
[14:21] <arand_> I have no idea really, but replacing it would be one test to do...
[14:23] <hassan-> arand
[14:23] <hassan-> arand_
[14:24] <hassan-> god bless you mate
[14:24] <hassan-> i changed the keyboard from an expensive into one shity one
[14:24] <hassan-> and it worked
[14:24] <hassan-> thanks for your help
[14:25] <arand_> hassan-: If you have time please report a bug as well, or look if it is already reported and provide more info if possible
[14:25] <hassan-> its already scanning for bugs
[14:25] <hassan-> i will report it when its done
[14:25] <hassan-> i always do, and send complete files
[14:25] <arand_> :)
[14:26] <hassan-> even i am still n00b
[14:26] <hassan-> but i know n00bs can get the best bugs ever
[14:27] <hassan-> i have a question though, sometimes my bug has sisters how can i know if its same? does it matter if i report it as new? or admins will get angry?
[14:28] <ali1234> they won't get angry
[14:28] <ali1234> it's trivial to mark duplicates so don't worry too much
[14:28] <ali1234> better to have dupes than no report at all
[14:29] <arand_> You can always mention "possibly related to #nnnnn" and let triagers decide.
[14:32] <hassan-> okasy thanks guys i will put the pastbig log in the comment about error
[14:32] <hassan-> lets hope it helps
[14:36] <hassan-> okay till next bug, thank you guys for spending part of your spare time to help others\
[14:37] <noah> how can I get a list of my recent apt-get upgrades?
[14:38] <edgy> Hi, when I launch gnucash I get this error: gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time
[14:39] <edgy> is it only me or a generic bug?
[14:40] <genii-around> noah: Check /var/log/dpkg.log  and also /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:46] <edgy> oops! I cannot even launch firefox! it's a gtk issie then, can someoen confirm?
[14:46] <jibel> Hi, with today's update in Natty I've lost the touchpad and unity doesn't start on 2 different laptops. Anyone experiencing that too ?
[14:47] <edgy> jibel: I have lost firefox and gnucash ;)
[14:48] <jibel> edgy, heh edgy, I can't even reach that point :-)
[14:48] <edgy> jibel: I log using kde not unity
[14:48] <arand_> jibel: Think so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051
[14:51] <jibel> arand, that's it. I'll downgrade. Thanks.
[14:58] <yofel> frefox starts fine here, amd64 with 4.0 daily build
[15:10] <kimimben_14> hello!
[15:12] <kimimben_14> is there any posibility to reutrn old panel type ? i mean i don't want unity and also i don't want to see menus of windows on panel ...
[15:12] <kimimben_14> how to remove this feature ?
[15:13] <charlie-tca> kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login
[15:13] <kimimben_14> it is just for unity ...
[15:13] <kimimben_14> i need to disable also menu feature...
[15:13] <kimimben_14> i want to see the menus on window...
[15:15] <kimimben_14> tha name of feature is "global menu"
[15:15] <kimimben_14> how to disable it ?
[15:15] <charlie-tca> kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login
[15:15] <kimimben_14> charlie-tca: i am on classic desktop now.. but global menu is active now...
[15:47] <ebischoff> hggdh and proti: back from the dentist. I can get a full environment with X and all thanks to your workaround to bug 723482 (killing mountall and restarting it manually several times)
[15:50] <hggdh> ebischoff: great! Way better than where I am right now...
[15:50] <ebischoff> ouch, sory to hear that, what's wrong ?
[15:51] <ebischoff> and by the way the mac uses /dev/sdaX, while the PC uses UUIDs in fstab, it explains that the mac is not hit by the bug
[15:51]  * ebischoff loves when things restart being logical
[16:46] <taneli> apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove xorg, probably a bad idea to let it?
[16:47] <IdleOne> probably
[16:47] <IdleOne> you may want to wait a few hours/days
[16:49] <taneli> ok
[16:50] <charlie-tca> normallyu a bad idea, yeah. Last time I okayed that was a disaster
[16:51] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: is nvidia still broken?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> well, it doesn't have 3d working yet
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I see a Experimental 3d support for nvidia cards in hardware drivers now. I will have to try it
[17:13] <IdleOne> just wondering if it is "safe enough" to try an upgrade
[17:13] <yofel> charlie-tca: what card do you have?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I been using natty with an nvidia card
[17:14]  * popey uses natty with nouveau and the experimental 3d support
[17:14] <popey> the only time I've managed to get it to crash was when running an intensive minecraft session
[17:15] <charlie-tca> NVidia G84 [GeForce 8600GT] PCI-E Video w/512MB ram
[17:15] <charlie-tca> popey: are we using gallium now or still in nouveau?
[17:15] <yofel> ah, should work I think
[17:15] <popey> we are
[17:15] <popey> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GT/GTO] (rev a1)
[17:15] <popey> thats the card I'm using
[17:16] <yofel> I've got an GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) which needs nouveau.noaccel=1 or I get GPU lockups
[17:16] <IdleOne> nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[17:19] <popey> I'm amazed that nouveau has come on as far as it has
[17:20] <IdleOne> So, should I attempt an upgrade ?
[17:20] <IdleOne> expert opinions most welcome :)
[17:21] <Eruaran> any word on the broken nvidia/ati driver situation?
[17:26] <popey> define broken?
[17:27] <virtuald> it'll be fixed at release at usual
[17:45] <tsuther> hello all
[17:45] <tsuther> anyone having problems running vmware workstation in the last couple of days?
[17:45] <tsuther> modules compile fine, but vmware simply goes away when it's run
[17:47] <tsuther> same thing with vmplayer
[17:50] <tsuther> or is this not the proper forum for such things
[17:55] <charlie-tca> if it is in natty, this is the right place, but if we don't use vmware, we won't respond
[18:06] <charlie-tca> uh, this seems bad... I have not done any updates today, restarted after updating yesterday. I now have 71 updates to install, and an icon that says restart required to complete updates
[18:43] <dupondje> somebody here good @ iptables ? :D
[20:21] <HerrBert> any news on the problem that system does not start anymore since last update/upgrade?
[20:27] <proti> HerrBert: no
[20:27] <joejc18> does 11.04 use unity?
[20:27] <proti> Problem occurs only when system have multiple fs(s) mounted.
[20:27] <HerrBert> thats bad :/
[20:27] <rww> joejc18: yes
[20:27] <arand> joejc18: yes
[20:27] <HerrBert> might it work when I unplug my mobile hard drives?
[20:27] <joejc18> how does it compare to gnome?
[20:36] <proti> HerrBert: problems starts at 2
[20:37] <Daekdroom> mongy, I prefer pidgin and rhythmbox, therefore I don't get what you're saying.
[20:37] <mongy> banshee > rbox -- pidgin > empathy.  basically.
[20:38] <Daekdroom> I think banshee is so bloated.
[20:43] <gnomefreak> its really weird i have gltext screensaver set and it works fine for a little while than just stops, there is no load on the system
[20:43]  * gnomefreak scratches head
[20:44] <arand> gnomefreak: Power saving settings taking over?
[20:45] <arand> I envy xubuntu getting gmusicbrowser :D
[20:45] <gnomefreak> arand: i dont hink so as this just started about an hour ago
[20:45] <gnomefreak> evolution is no longer default email?
[20:45] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy evolution
[20:46] <gnomefreak> evolution: Installed: (none)
[20:46] <gnomefreak> i never removed it
[20:46]  * gnomefreak very happy its not installed
[20:47] <gnomefreak> yay compiz is breaking unity
[20:47] <HerrBert> metacity!!! :D
[20:48]  * gnomefreak wonders what email client we ship with now
[20:49] <rww> Ubuntu is Evolution and Xubuntu is Thunderbird, I thought.
[20:49] <charlie-tca> as far as I know, that has not changed yet
[20:49] <charlie-tca> maybe you don't have an email client today
[20:50] <gnomefreak> i never removed evo and it is not installed on my system with Ubuntu
[20:50] <gnomefreak> and yes tb is Xubuntu
[20:51] <rww> heh, natty's ubuntu-desktop doesn't have evolution on it. interesting.
[20:51] <gnomefreak> ok so after going through the updates by hand it seems compiz and gsettings* are broken
[20:51] <arand> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+changelog shows no removal ov evolution as far as I can tell
[20:51] <gnomefreak> begs the question of what email is default now and why does the prefered apps dialog still list evo
[20:52] <arand> gnomefreak: SInce evolution is the defautl mail app still.
[20:52] <arand> No change
[20:52] <gnomefreak> default just not installed
[20:52] <arand> Well as far as I can tell it should be
[20:52] <gnomefreak> 2 time outs on that link
[20:54] <gnomefreak> was evo always under optional?
[20:55] <gnomefreak> Package: evolution
[20:55] <gnomefreak> Priority: optional
[20:55] <mongy> default should be gm-notify :)
[20:56] <gnomefreak> that isnt an email client
[20:56] <mongy> I just dont use email as much as I used to, so moved it all to gmail, forwards and such for other accounts, works for me.  Evolution is a fine client though
[20:57] <gnomefreak> your right i dont see it being removed in the changelog just the couchdb was removed from recommends
[20:58] <gnomefreak> ok i think i found it
[20:58] <arand> gnomefreak: The ubuntu-destop installs all recommende packages as well.
[20:58] <gnomefreak> it seems that the package maybe a meta evolution-common is installed
[20:59] <arand> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-desktop
[20:59] <gnomefreak> arand: yes it does
[20:59] <rww> arand: yes, the only thing on that page that mentions evo is nautilus-sendto
[21:00] <gnomefreak> i guess we set *-common instead of evo*
[21:00] <rww> ... and now it changed on refresh
[21:00]  * rww thwacks chromium
[21:01] <gnomefreak> evo is listed under recommends, it used to be depends. keep in mind you can still pass a flag to not install recommends
[21:02] <arand> ubuntu-desktop reccomends evolution evolution-exchange evolution-indicator evolution-plugins evolution-webcal ... But presumably you will be able to unistall them without unistalling ubuntu-desktop though.
[21:02] <rww> arand: yeah, my browser was being dumb, my bad
[21:02] <rww> s/dumb/odd/
[21:03] <rww> gnomefreak: hasn't been under depends since before hardy ;P
[21:03]  * arand did not know that parts of ubuntu-meta was actually optional..
[21:04] <gnomefreak> it says it recommends "evolution" however evolution is not installed
[21:04] <HerrBert> how do I get my sound running in terminal?
[21:04] <gnomefreak> HerrBert: you dont in gnome-terminal. i filed a bug on it, hold on and ill give you the number
[21:05] <gnomefreak> HerrBert: bug 723936 please comment and mark confirmed if yours is same as mine
[21:05] <HerrBert> gnomefreak: but I need music and its my only os :D
[21:05] <gnomefreak> HerrBert: my sounds all work except in terminal
[21:06] <gnomefreak> and only in unity. g-t plays sounds in classic
[21:06] <HerrBert> than it is another error =) i got: "Waiting for sound system to respond"
[21:06] <HerrBert> ehen I try preferences at the applet
[21:21] <gnomefreak> i dont like the command unity --reset :( now i have to get my boarders back. but screenshots work again
[21:21] <gnomefreak> be back
[21:27] <HerrBert> I don't even have unity installed on my natty, and when I want to it says just:  unity : Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20110126 but it is not installable E: Broken packages
[21:27] <HerrBert> but synamptic says there is no package like compiz-core-abiversion-20110126
[21:28] <HerrBert> so how can I install unity?
[21:38] <Aikar> how easy is it going to be to remove unity and go back to gnome shell in 11.04?
[21:39] <HerrBert> Aikar: I think i made it via remove unity, remove compiz and install metacity =)
[21:40] <HerrBert> worked for me so long, compiz/unity were always slowly, lame or buggy
[21:41] <Aikar> i just saw that its gonna be default on desktop for 11.04 :/ (sorry new to ubuntu sorta) i saw unity on my roommates netbook and i think its fine on a netbook but wish it could be a show on command instead of always there, but i dont think id like it on desktop
[21:46] <Aikar> so, the "gnome shell" is a replacement for metacity, but 11.04 is not using either and using unity right?
[21:46] <Aikar> to try to understand what each part is better
[21:48] <Aikar> ok just read that Mutter is the window manager name. does the window manager also control the panels etc?
[21:55] <ChogyDan> Aikar: I think compiz is the wm
[21:56] <Aikar> compiz is the lib for compositing effects i think. i know metacity is the WM for 10.10, and i just read that Mutter is the WM of Gnome 3, and that Unity is the WM of 11.04
[21:59] <ChogyDan> Aikar: I think compiz is a wm, and unity is a shell.  compared to gnome 3 with mutter being the wm and gnome-shell being the shell
[22:02] <Aikar> dont we already have a compiz package to install compiz effects for 10.10?
[22:04] <ChogyDan> Aikar: yeah
[22:54] <Thingymebob> Wow today's updates totally broke my network! No Wireless no Wired
[22:59] <jfi> broken also in recovery console
[23:00] <Starminn> How do you get the side-dock to pop up? Running Alpha 2 in a VM and I can't figure out how to get that dock-like thing to pop up.
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Starminn, it should show up by default if you have all windows minimized, and when you hover over the ubuntu icon on the top left.
[23:01] <Daekdroom> Starminn, if it doesn't show up, that means you're not using Unity, which is likely, given you're running a VM and they usually don't support 3D out of the box
[23:01] <Starminn> Daekdroom: Ah..... That would make sense, mhm. Alright, well thanks. That answers my dilemma. :)
[23:02] <Starminn> It is the UNity interface, by the way. IT's just that that dock isn't popping up. :)
[23:02] <Starminn> Just for future reference for others running in VM's. Anyway, see ya. Thanks again
[23:19] <jfi> Thingymebob, downgrading isc-dhcp-client|common fix the issue
[23:20] <Thingymebob> jfi, Thx I'll give it a go
[23:21] <jfi> Thingymebob, I have just to a debpkg -i isc-dhcp-client*ubuntu3.deb isc-dcp-common*ubuntu3.deb
[23:21] <jfi> Thingymebob, you should have the previous version in /var/cache/apt
[23:21] <jfi> Thingymebob, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/724556
[23:54] <Thingymebob> jfi, Many thanks a newer version of those packages is available from launchpad librarian, doesn't seem to have hit the repos yet. chrooted in and now all fixed