FloridaGuy | i know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..? | 00:10 |
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yofel | depends, you could use libeatmydata so fsync() does nothing - use dpkg --force-unsafe-io which only disables sync() and thus isn't as insane as libeatmydata - or buy an SSD | 00:13 |
yofel | I guess other methods are there too | 00:13 |
FloridaGuy | yofel: why would i buy an ssd harddrive...i would just switch to arch | 00:19 |
cjohnston | is anyone else running +1 being told that the only thing available is a partial upgrade for multiple days now? | 00:19 |
yofel | FloridaGuy: for me setting force-unsafe-io does speed things up, so I'm happy with that | 00:20 |
FloridaGuy | yofel: it would be what..apt-get install <package name> -force-unsafe-io | 00:22 |
yofel | no, add 'force-unsafe-io' to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg in a new line | 00:22 |
FloridaGuy | ok | 00:23 |
FloridaGuy | yofel: put force-unsafe-io under... no-debsig or log /var/log/dpkg.log | 00:25 |
FloridaGuy | never mind a new line | 00:26 |
yofel | I put it under the first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/571432/ | 00:26 |
yofel | I don't think it matters | 00:27 |
FloridaGuy | ok...thanks...ill reboot for the... linux-image-2.6.38-020638rc6-generic_2.6.38-020638rc6.201102220910_i386 ....then come back and see how that does | 00:28 |
Eruaran | hi all | 00:41 |
Eruaran | I saw a bunch of updates to x and stuff today | 00:41 |
Eruaran | Does that mean *maybe* ati/nvidia drivers might work now? | 00:41 |
Eruaran | Or am i jumping the gun a bit? | 00:41 |
bjsnider | you're jumping several guns | 00:43 |
bjsnider | quite impressive, actually | 00:43 |
Eruaran | wow yay me :P | 00:43 |
Daekdroom | Eruaran, I'd try waiting for the fglrx/nvidia-current updates, really | 00:51 |
Daekdroom | X stack getting updates usually do not mean closed sources driver that weren't working will start working. | 00:51 |
Eruaran | Daekdroom: ok | 00:52 |
Eruaran | I'll keep a keen eye out | 00:52 |
Eruaran | oh, how are things looking with fglrx? | 00:52 |
Eruaran | I've never been able to get my HD3650 to work nicely | 00:53 |
Eruaran | Only ever been able to get desktop effects / crash if you want to play a game OR... beautiful gaming / no desktop effects | 00:53 |
Eruaran | If that's sorted soon I'll put my HD3650 back in my system | 00:54 |
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kmqat | Hi, I've got an Acer AO522 with an AMD Ontario APU that fails to boot with the daily build. I haven't been able to find the corresponding bug. Is this a known issue? | 05:26 |
kmqat | Also, the specific problem is that the screen goes crazy nuts and locks up. How can I get some kind of log output before that happens? (booting from USB) | 05:35 |
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gnomefreak | anyone do a clean install of Natty? i would like to know if ubuntu software center replaced synaptic yet | 08:01 |
gnomefreak | lots of updates in less than 4 hours :) | 08:02 |
geser | anyone else haveing the problem that the mouse scrollwheel doesn't scroll anymore? | 08:57 |
gnomefreak | geser: on a laptop or normal mouse? | 08:59 |
geser | normal mouse | 08:59 |
gnomefreak | laptop == touchpad | 09:00 |
gnomefreak | geser: no my mouse works fine | 09:00 |
susundberg | my mouse is still working properly also | 09:00 |
gnomefreak | apport-collect doesnt seem to be working for me though | 09:01 |
geser | I'll try #ubuntu-x then if they have any idea what's broken in my natty | 09:01 |
* gnomefreak is hungry but no one is is open this early | 09:02 | |
gnomefreak | ok so i have filed like 5 bugs in 2days, i am tired of fileing bugs for now | 09:10 |
cdbs | Looks like my Synaptics touchpad isn't working at all | 09:29 |
cdbs | anyone else with similar issues? | 09:29 |
gnomefreak | cdbs: i few people the other day | 09:29 |
cdbs | I updated today, it was fine till yesterday | 09:29 |
cdbs | and I updated yesterday as well | 09:29 |
cdbs | gnomefreak: ? | 09:30 |
cdbs | I didn't get you | 09:30 |
gnomefreak | cdbs: a few people were complaining about touchpad not working | 09:30 |
cdbs | gnomefreak: any workaround? | 09:31 |
gnomefreak | i dont think anyone filed a bug on it | 09:31 |
gnomefreak | cdbs: not that i know of | 09:31 |
cdbs | hmm | 09:31 |
cdbs | The mouse click button is working, though | 09:32 |
* gnomefreak never uses the touchpad | 09:32 | |
gnomefreak | i like my usb mouse alot better | 09:33 |
htorque | cdbs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051 | 09:37 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724051 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,Confirmed] | 09:37 |
htorque | cdbs, also, RAOF is looking for users facing that problem | 09:38 |
cdbs | htorque: yes, I already got the bug link, thanks to LP search | 09:38 |
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ebischoff | Hi people. I have installed the latest updates to natty. One one of my machines (a macintosh), everything is perfect. On the other one (a PC with NVidia video card), I can't go past plymouth. Last messages on screen are about mounted filesystems. I am able to chroot into the old system from this Live CD. | 11:10 |
susundberg | so your X/Nvidia drivers are not working properly | 11:11 |
susundberg | ? | 11:11 |
ebischoff | not sure. All i can say is that i keep seeing forever the four dots cycling welcome screen | 11:12 |
susundberg | Oh wait, plymonth is "Plymouth is a bootsplash for Linux. It supports animations." | 11:12 |
susundberg | Hmm, no console access with ctrl + alt + f1/f2 | 11:13 |
ebischoff | yes, i see the bootsplash, and then that's all. | 11:13 |
susundberg | i guess no if its plymonth still running | 11:13 |
ebischoff | no console access, no ssh, but pings are okay | 11:13 |
susundberg | you could try without "splash" and "quiet" options | 11:13 |
yofel | print+alt+k and then ctrl+alt+f2 should give you a terminal | 11:13 |
susundberg | oh! | 11:13 |
susundberg | good to know! | 11:13 |
yofel | the first one is sysrq+k and will kill plymouth | 11:14 |
ebischoff | oh, that one is a cool tip | 11:14 |
yofel | if that doesn't give you a terminal it's stuck in the boot process well before X | 11:14 |
susundberg | "The magic SysRq key is a key" :) | 11:14 |
susundberg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key | 11:14 |
yofel | if it does check /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 11:15 |
ebischoff | i can get a console from a chrooted environment | 11:15 |
ebischoff | ok, checking this one now | 11:15 |
ebischoff | that's funny. I don't seem to have Xorg.log* files in /var/log | 11:17 |
ebischoff | i'll try the sysreq trick and also try to get fresh dmesg from there | 11:18 |
ebischoff | see you folks | 11:18 |
ebischoff | aaaah wait wait wait | 11:18 |
ebischoff | i have an onboard video card and an extra video card | 11:19 |
ebischoff | i'll try to boot from the onboard card | 11:19 |
ebischoff | it least it would give me a system | 11:19 |
ebischoff | see you later | 11:19 |
jml | my time indicator is showing the wrong day | 11:35 |
ebischoff | OK people. Still not booting further as the plymouth. Alt+Sysreq+k not working. Also tried with no effect to use another video card. Up to yesterday no problem booting. | 12:32 |
marijus | anyone not getting unity to start after todays updates? | 12:41 |
ebischoff | i don't know what unity is, but my system does not boot anymore after recebt updates | 12:43 |
yofel | unity is the new desktop interface | 12:44 |
yofel | ebischoff: which graphics driver did/do you use? | 12:44 |
ebischoff | ah, i'm using kde | 12:44 |
ebischoff | i tried to boot on my nvidia card, and also on the onboard card | 12:45 |
yofel | did you have the nvidia driver installed? | 12:45 |
ebischoff | funny enough, no problem at all on the macintosh, while i did the updates exactly at the same time | 12:45 |
marijus | getting this error starting compiz with unity enabled: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571699/ | 12:46 |
yofel | my thinkpad boots fine with nvidia using nouveau | 12:46 |
ebischoff | strange thing is, no log file modified in var/log, apart from the ones modified when using aptitude from the chroot environment | 12:47 |
yofel | hm... then it's possibly stuck on mounting filesystems during boot | 12:48 |
yofel | someone else did report something like that | 12:48 |
ebischoff | i don't know which drivers it's trying to use. i tried putting a safe vesa setup with xorg.conf file, with no effect. also tried removing xorg.conf | 12:48 |
ebischoff | yes there are similar reports on the forum : plymouth continuing forever | 12:48 |
ebischoff | i'm not sure it's linked to xorg. I've been looking at xorg because the latest updates are related to xorg, but it seems the problem is much earlier | 12:49 |
ebischoff | last messages are related to fsck, which are completly normal | 12:49 |
yofel | yeah, if you don't even get to a tty then it's probably stuck earlier, proti and hggdh were discussing mount issues a while ago | 12:50 |
ebischoff | i can try booting to runlevel 1 to prove it is unrelated to xorg | 12:51 |
ebischoff | yes i don't get other ttys with ctrl alt f1 and such | 12:52 |
ebischoff | pings answer, but not ssh | 12:52 |
yofel | upstart doesn't really care about runlevels - so if anything disable KDM | 12:53 |
ebischoff | i'm booting natty on the mac right now to get a irc client and continue this discussion while being able to do the tests | 12:53 |
yofel | you can add --verbose to the kernel options too so upstart tells you what it tries to do | 12:53 |
ebischoff | ok will do | 12:53 |
yofel | not easily debuggable though since it starts the jobs asynchronous | 12:53 |
ebischoff | ok, i'm back from the mac | 12:55 |
ebischoff | so rebooting from the pc with --verbose as kernel arg | 12:56 |
ebischoff | and disabling kdm | 12:56 |
yofel | you could also try to use init=/bin/sh (or bash) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging | 12:58 |
hggdh | what goes on? Unable to finish boot on natty? | 12:58 |
* hggdh goes read the backlog | 12:58 | |
ebischoff | yes, unable to boot | 12:59 |
hggdh | hum. Would you, per chance, have multiple filesystems? | 12:59 |
ebischoff | funny enough, this is same natty, but on my mac, here | 12:59 |
ebischoff | only ext4 | 12:59 |
hggdh | only one filesystem? | 13:00 |
ebischoff | many | 13:00 |
hggdh | yeah | 13:00 |
hggdh | sounds like myself and proti | 13:00 |
hggdh | bad news | 13:00 |
ebischoff | --verbose, or verbose, after ro single ? | 13:01 |
hggdh | I have been able to (eventually) complete the boot, but ecryptfs is hosed, which means I cannot login (root can, no ecryptfs for root) | 13:01 |
hggdh | --verbose | 13:01 |
ebischoff | no encrypted fs here | 13:01 |
hggdh | but you will probably still hang -- but you have to try anyway | 13:01 |
ebischoff | wow lots of stuff | 13:02 |
hggdh | yeah. the end protion is the only thing we will be able to look at | 13:02 |
ebischoff | network-interface (eth0) pre-start process exited normally | 13:02 |
ebischoff | othe eth0 messages | 13:02 |
ebischoff | handling started event | 13:03 |
hggdh | oh, you are cabled (I am not, so I never see these) | 13:03 |
ebischoff | mountall-net main process exited normally | 13:03 |
ebischoff | handling stopping event | 13:03 |
hggdh | and then you are stuck, right? | 13:03 |
ebischoff | mountall-net state changed from stopping to killed | 13:03 |
Guest85918 | since last update my system can't boot further than loading udev (I think it is stuck there), also I figured that the update included the 2.6.38-5-generic kernel but uname -r shows 2.6.37, where can I start looking for the error? | 13:03 |
ebischoff | handling stopped event | 13:03 |
ebischoff | and that's all | 13:03 |
ebischoff | same problem with -4 kernel | 13:04 |
hggdh | Guest85918: there seems to be a regression on udev. I know it affects *installation*, but I do not know the full impact | 13:04 |
hggdh | ebischoff: you will need to reboot, and follow the instructions on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging | 13:05 |
ebischoff | ok, init=/bin/sh ? | 13:05 |
hggdh | you *may* be able to complete boot (eventually) | 13:05 |
hggdh | I would use init=/bin/bash | 13:05 |
Guest85918 | i managed to jump into console and startx as root, than I had to start dbus and some other stuff now I can at least go online and get help. | 13:06 |
hggdh | ebischoff: after getting to the bash prompt on tty1: open a getty on tty2; then go to tty2, and open a getty on tty3; and again tty3 to open a getty on tty4 | 13:06 |
hggdh | ebischoff: you will probably need the additional shells | 13:06 |
Guest85918 | why does uname -r show the old kernel version although apt-get install says that 2.6.38 is already installed? | 13:06 |
yofel | Guest85918: does sudo update-grub list the 38 kernel? | 13:07 |
proti | ebischoff: congrats you have the same bug as I. | 13:08 |
Guest85918 | yes, but just like "Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic | 13:08 |
Guest85918 | " | 13:08 |
yofel | o.O? that's a real installation? | 13:08 |
hggdh | oh | 13:09 |
proti | morning all | 13:09 |
hggdh | Guest85918: please run 'dpkg -l linux\image\*' and pastebin the results here | 13:10 |
hggdh | sulut proti, we have another fellow with our issue | 13:10 |
proti | I saw that. | 13:10 |
ebischoff | yeah got a shell | 13:10 |
yofel | er, dpkg -l linux-image-* you mean | 13:10 |
hggdh | and I am still unable to raise awareness on this | 13:11 |
Guest85918 | dpkg -l linux-image-* makes -> http://pastebin.com/wedJYqu0 | 13:11 |
proti | hggdh: It's a stealth problem that can have huge impact when the next image will be out. | 13:12 |
hggdh | aye | 13:12 |
ebischoff | ok, how do i call this getty thing ? | 13:12 |
proti | getty -8 -n -l /bin/bash 3844 tty<x> & | 13:12 |
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proti | ebischoff: don't forget the & at the end. | 13:13 |
proti | I getting good at typing this command :) | 13:13 |
hggdh | weird, I do not see any Xen kernel installed | 13:13 |
proti | ebischoff: 38400* sorry | 13:14 |
noah | I did that dist-upgrade today, yesterday was everything fine | 13:14 |
ebischoff | command accepted silently, but no Ctrl-Alt-F2 switch | 13:14 |
proti | ebischoff: try just alt F<x> where x is the same x as the tty | 13:15 |
ebischoff | 38400 instead of 3844 solved | 13:15 |
ebischoff | ok, got 6 terminals | 13:18 |
proti | e | 13:18 |
ebischoff | now what ? ;-) | 13:18 |
proti | initial console -> exec init | 13:18 |
ebischoff | stuck after the various fscks apparently | 13:20 |
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ebischoff | but still got the other consoles, that's cool | 13:21 |
ebischoff | funny, there are two fsck processes still running | 13:22 |
ebischoff | ah it's normal fsck, sorry, mounted too many times | 13:23 |
proti | now what I did : | 13:23 |
proti | kill -9 <pid of mountall> | 13:23 |
proti | run mountall by hand several times until everything is mounted | 13:24 |
proti | sometimes mount -a before helps | 13:24 |
proti | then kill is the mountall does not finish | 13:24 |
proti | until it works ok | 13:24 |
ebischoff | or i could simply do the mounts by hand | 13:24 |
proti | not enough | 13:25 |
ebischoff | including proc and dev, i mean | 13:25 |
proti | upstart relies on the mountall running and telling him it's running | 13:25 |
ebischoff | ah got it | 13:25 |
proti | before starting the next service | 13:25 |
proti | upstart needs to verify mountall is ok (all fs mounted before running next) | 13:26 |
proti | hggdh: here dbus is not running | 13:26 |
proti | ie. does not start | 13:26 |
ebischoff | worked ! | 13:26 |
hggdh | proti: will check | 13:26 |
ebischoff | it's booting | 13:26 |
ebischoff | you're a genious | 13:27 |
ebischoff | ok it was a mounting problem then | 13:27 |
ebischoff | no xorg stuff | 13:27 |
hggdh | dbus-daemon is running here | 13:27 |
proti | Thanks, you're lucid....:) | 13:27 |
proti | hggdh: says -> unable to connect to the system bus : Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused | 13:28 |
proti | Funny since it's the system dbus server... | 13:29 |
proti | The unix socket exists (shoud it ?). | 13:29 |
ebischoff | i have to go to the dentist now | 13:30 |
proti | ebischoff: sorry for you | 13:30 |
ebischoff | we'll restart after that | 13:30 |
ebischoff | lol | 13:30 |
proti | ebischoff: xorg not starting is a normal problem I have at this time | 13:30 |
ebischoff | wonder what was worse, not able to debug the system or going to the dentist ;-) | 13:30 |
noah | proti: had the same, did sudo start dbus -> worked | 13:30 |
ebischoff | yes xorg does not start but i guess i have to pass nomodeset to the kernel ? | 13:31 |
proti | noah: me too, says started/running (no pid) and no process is showing in the ps list | 13:31 |
proti | ebischoff: you have nvidia ? | 13:31 |
ebischoff | yes | 13:31 |
proti | with nouveau or nvidia ? | 13:31 |
ebischoff | dunno, switched so many times ;-) | 13:32 |
ebischoff | nv | 13:32 |
proti | I suggest keeping nouveau once they fix the occasional freeze. | 13:32 |
proti | ebischoff: no way, nv is dead and buried | 13:32 |
ebischoff | nouveau made me so many problems | 13:32 |
proti | what hardware ? | 13:33 |
proti | My Xorg is down whereas the one at work is running | 13:33 |
yofel | if you get the freeze, you can try to use nouveau.noaccel=1 as kernel parameter, works for me, no 3D of course | 13:33 |
proti | of course | 13:33 |
ebischoff | ok, just tried nouveau and it froze my screens ;-) | 13:33 |
ebischoff | i'll sort that out later | 13:33 |
proti | Well startx on console is working but not initctl start gdm | 13:34 |
proti | funny | 13:34 |
yofel | you can read up on the most common freeze on freedesktop bug 26980 | 13:35 |
ubottu | Freedesktop bug 26980 in Driver/nouveau "NVA3 / NVA5 / NVA8 / NVAF (GT2xx/GT3xx) with nouveau: random GPU lockups" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26980 | 13:35 |
proti | ok, fixed, and remaining /var/run/dbus/pid file | 13:40 |
proti | was causing the trouble | 13:40 |
proti | an remaining* | 13:40 |
proti | hggdh: is there a workaround for mountall (execing 'mount -a' instead ?) | 13:41 |
noah | is it normal that I get root access to my system when pressing Alt+Sysrq+i on startup without the need of a pwd or anything? | 13:44 |
proti | noah: Yes | 13:44 |
proti | Read the txt file about sysrq | 13:45 |
proti | sysrq+i means kill everything but init. | 13:45 |
noah | yes, but i did not know that i wil automatically get logged into my system as root when using is | 13:45 |
noah | it* | 13:45 |
proti | That is the default behaviour for upstart. An emergency procedure I think. | 13:46 |
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hassan | guys anyone can help? | 13:56 |
hassan | i cant login to my ubuntu | 13:56 |
hassan | i kept getting that x.org error | 13:56 |
proti | hassan: could you tell a little bit more ? | 13:56 |
proti | what x.org error ? | 13:56 |
hassan | well restarted pc i was sent to terminal, tried startx didnt work | 13:57 |
hassan | they said check the log | 13:57 |
proti | so ? | 13:57 |
hggdh | proti: Colin is asking some questions on the bug | 13:57 |
hassan | did check did google try to update ugprade | 13:57 |
hassan | still cant login to ubuntu | 13:57 |
hassan | basicaly i am on my win7 | 13:58 |
proti | hggdh: where ? | 13:58 |
hggdh | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/723482 | 13:58 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] | 13:58 |
proti | ah ok | 13:58 |
proti | I'll do it now. | 13:59 |
hassan | my vga is intel | 14:00 |
proti | Too bad, I've got back my X windows | 14:00 |
proti | env | 14:00 |
proti | hassan: what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says ? | 14:00 |
hassan | a big file :P | 14:00 |
proti | grep for (EE) | 14:01 |
hassan | if i login from startup usb ubuntu 10.10 can i get that .log file and put it for you on some website or mail it? | 14:01 |
proti | pastebin it .... | 14:02 |
proti | oh | 14:02 |
proti | you need X for that | 14:02 |
proti | hassan: just : grep 'EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 14:02 |
proti | and look at the output | 14:02 |
hassan | okay | 14:03 |
hassan | and how i can show u the errors | 14:03 |
hassan | i login from my 2nd pc and write them? | 14:03 |
arand_ | You don't need X for pastebin... just install pastebinit | 14:03 |
hassan | command to pastebinit is? | 14:03 |
hassan | after i install it | 14:04 |
arand_ | sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 14:04 |
hassan | okay | 14:04 |
proti | hggdh: dpkg.log posted. | 14:04 |
arand_ | or "command that produces text | pastebinit | 14:04 |
hassan | brb then i will run again ubuntu | 14:05 |
hassan | and do that | 14:05 |
hassan | thanks | 14:05 |
hassan | be back in few | 14:05 |
hassan- | hi proti still there? | 14:13 |
hassan- | http://paste.ubuntu.com/571736/ | 14:13 |
arand_ | Seems like it's your keyboard that's messing up o_= | 14:18 |
hassan- | ideas? | 14:19 |
hassan- | replace it with another and test? | 14:19 |
hassan- | and u think only windows is messed up from mircosoft seems there keyboard is worse lol | 14:20 |
arand_ | I have no idea really, but replacing it would be one test to do... | 14:21 |
hassan- | arand | 14:23 |
hassan- | arand_ | 14:23 |
hassan- | god bless you mate | 14:24 |
hassan- | i changed the keyboard from an expensive into one shity one | 14:24 |
hassan- | and it worked | 14:24 |
hassan- | thanks for your help | 14:24 |
arand_ | hassan-: If you have time please report a bug as well, or look if it is already reported and provide more info if possible | 14:25 |
hassan- | its already scanning for bugs | 14:25 |
hassan- | i will report it when its done | 14:25 |
hassan- | i always do, and send complete files | 14:25 |
arand_ | :) | 14:25 |
hassan- | even i am still n00b | 14:26 |
hassan- | but i know n00bs can get the best bugs ever | 14:26 |
hassan- | i have a question though, sometimes my bug has sisters how can i know if its same? does it matter if i report it as new? or admins will get angry? | 14:27 |
ali1234 | they won't get angry | 14:28 |
ali1234 | it's trivial to mark duplicates so don't worry too much | 14:28 |
ali1234 | better to have dupes than no report at all | 14:28 |
arand_ | You can always mention "possibly related to #nnnnn" and let triagers decide. | 14:29 |
hassan- | okasy thanks guys i will put the pastbig log in the comment about error | 14:32 |
hassan- | lets hope it helps | 14:32 |
hassan- | okay till next bug, thank you guys for spending part of your spare time to help others\ | 14:36 |
noah | how can I get a list of my recent apt-get upgrades? | 14:37 |
edgy | Hi, when I launch gnucash I get this error: gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time | 14:38 |
edgy | is it only me or a generic bug? | 14:39 |
genii-around | noah: Check /var/log/dpkg.log and also /var/log/apt/history.log | 14:40 |
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edgy | oops! I cannot even launch firefox! it's a gtk issie then, can someoen confirm? | 14:46 |
jibel | Hi, with today's update in Natty I've lost the touchpad and unity doesn't start on 2 different laptops. Anyone experiencing that too ? | 14:46 |
edgy | jibel: I have lost firefox and gnucash ;) | 14:47 |
jibel | edgy, heh edgy, I can't even reach that point :-) | 14:48 |
edgy | jibel: I log using kde not unity | 14:48 |
arand_ | jibel: Think so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051 | 14:48 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724051 in utouch-frame (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,In progress] | 14:48 |
jibel | arand, that's it. I'll downgrade. Thanks. | 14:51 |
yofel | frefox starts fine here, amd64 with 4.0 daily build | 14:58 |
kimimben_14 | hello! | 15:10 |
kimimben_14 | is there any posibility to reutrn old panel type ? i mean i don't want unity and also i don't want to see menus of windows on panel ... | 15:12 |
kimimben_14 | how to remove this feature ? | 15:12 |
charlie-tca | kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login | 15:13 |
kimimben_14 | it is just for unity ... | 15:13 |
kimimben_14 | i need to disable also menu feature... | 15:13 |
kimimben_14 | i want to see the menus on window... | 15:13 |
kimimben_14 | tha name of feature is "global menu" | 15:15 |
kimimben_14 | how to disable it ? | 15:15 |
charlie-tca | kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login | 15:15 |
kimimben_14 | charlie-tca: i am on classic desktop now.. but global menu is active now... | 15:15 |
ebischoff | hggdh and proti: back from the dentist. I can get a full environment with X and all thanks to your workaround to bug 723482 (killing mountall and restarting it manually several times) | 15:47 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723482 | 15:48 |
hggdh | ebischoff: great! Way better than where I am right now... | 15:50 |
ebischoff | ouch, sory to hear that, what's wrong ? | 15:50 |
ebischoff | and by the way the mac uses /dev/sdaX, while the PC uses UUIDs in fstab, it explains that the mac is not hit by the bug | 15:51 |
* ebischoff loves when things restart being logical | 15:51 | |
taneli | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove xorg, probably a bad idea to let it? | 16:46 |
IdleOne | probably | 16:47 |
IdleOne | you may want to wait a few hours/days | 16:47 |
taneli | ok | 16:49 |
charlie-tca | normallyu a bad idea, yeah. Last time I okayed that was a disaster | 16:50 |
IdleOne | charlie-tca: is nvidia still broken? | 16:51 |
charlie-tca | well, it doesn't have 3d working yet | 17:12 |
charlie-tca | I see a Experimental 3d support for nvidia cards in hardware drivers now. I will have to try it | 17:13 |
IdleOne | just wondering if it is "safe enough" to try an upgrade | 17:13 |
yofel | charlie-tca: what card do you have? | 17:13 |
charlie-tca | I been using natty with an nvidia card | 17:13 |
* popey uses natty with nouveau and the experimental 3d support | 17:14 | |
popey | the only time I've managed to get it to crash was when running an intensive minecraft session | 17:14 |
charlie-tca | NVidia G84 [GeForce 8600GT] PCI-E Video w/512MB ram | 17:15 |
charlie-tca | popey: are we using gallium now or still in nouveau? | 17:15 |
yofel | ah, should work I think | 17:15 |
popey | we are | 17:15 |
popey | VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GT/GTO] (rev a1) | 17:15 |
popey | thats the card I'm using | 17:15 |
yofel | I've got an GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) which needs nouveau.noaccel=1 or I get GPU lockups | 17:16 |
IdleOne | nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) | 17:16 |
popey | I'm amazed that nouveau has come on as far as it has | 17:19 |
IdleOne | So, should I attempt an upgrade ? | 17:20 |
IdleOne | expert opinions most welcome :) | 17:20 |
Eruaran | any word on the broken nvidia/ati driver situation? | 17:21 |
popey | define broken? | 17:26 |
virtuald | it'll be fixed at release at usual | 17:27 |
tsuther | hello all | 17:45 |
tsuther | anyone having problems running vmware workstation in the last couple of days? | 17:45 |
tsuther | modules compile fine, but vmware simply goes away when it's run | 17:45 |
tsuther | same thing with vmplayer | 17:47 |
tsuther | or is this not the proper forum for such things | 17:50 |
charlie-tca | if it is in natty, this is the right place, but if we don't use vmware, we won't respond | 17:55 |
charlie-tca | uh, this seems bad... I have not done any updates today, restarted after updating yesterday. I now have 71 updates to install, and an icon that says restart required to complete updates | 18:06 |
dupondje | somebody here good @ iptables ? :D | 18:43 |
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HerrBert | any news on the problem that system does not start anymore since last update/upgrade? | 20:21 |
proti | HerrBert: no | 20:27 |
joejc18 | does 11.04 use unity? | 20:27 |
proti | Problem occurs only when system have multiple fs(s) mounted. | 20:27 |
HerrBert | thats bad :/ | 20:27 |
rww | joejc18: yes | 20:27 |
arand | joejc18: yes | 20:27 |
HerrBert | might it work when I unplug my mobile hard drives? | 20:27 |
joejc18 | how does it compare to gnome? | 20:27 |
proti | HerrBert: problems starts at 2 | 20:36 |
Daekdroom | mongy, I prefer pidgin and rhythmbox, therefore I don't get what you're saying. | 20:37 |
mongy | banshee > rbox -- pidgin > empathy. basically. | 20:37 |
Daekdroom | I think banshee is so bloated. | 20:38 |
gnomefreak | its really weird i have gltext screensaver set and it works fine for a little while than just stops, there is no load on the system | 20:43 |
* gnomefreak scratches head | 20:43 | |
arand | gnomefreak: Power saving settings taking over? | 20:44 |
arand | I envy xubuntu getting gmusicbrowser :D | 20:45 |
gnomefreak | arand: i dont hink so as this just started about an hour ago | 20:45 |
gnomefreak | evolution is no longer default email? | 20:45 |
gnomefreak | gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy evolution | 20:45 |
gnomefreak | evolution: Installed: (none) | 20:46 |
gnomefreak | i never removed it | 20:46 |
* gnomefreak very happy its not installed | 20:46 | |
gnomefreak | yay compiz is breaking unity | 20:47 |
HerrBert | metacity!!! :D | 20:47 |
* gnomefreak wonders what email client we ship with now | 20:48 | |
rww | Ubuntu is Evolution and Xubuntu is Thunderbird, I thought. | 20:49 |
charlie-tca | as far as I know, that has not changed yet | 20:49 |
charlie-tca | maybe you don't have an email client today | 20:49 |
gnomefreak | i never removed evo and it is not installed on my system with Ubuntu | 20:50 |
gnomefreak | and yes tb is Xubuntu | 20:50 |
rww | heh, natty's ubuntu-desktop doesn't have evolution on it. interesting. | 20:51 |
gnomefreak | ok so after going through the updates by hand it seems compiz and gsettings* are broken | 20:51 |
arand | gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+changelog shows no removal ov evolution as far as I can tell | 20:51 |
gnomefreak | begs the question of what email is default now and why does the prefered apps dialog still list evo | 20:51 |
arand | gnomefreak: SInce evolution is the defautl mail app still. | 20:52 |
arand | No change | 20:52 |
gnomefreak | default just not installed | 20:52 |
arand | Well as far as I can tell it should be | 20:52 |
gnomefreak | 2 time outs on that link | 20:52 |
gnomefreak | was evo always under optional? | 20:54 |
gnomefreak | Package: evolution | 20:55 |
gnomefreak | Priority: optional | 20:55 |
mongy | default should be gm-notify :) | 20:55 |
gnomefreak | that isnt an email client | 20:56 |
mongy | I just dont use email as much as I used to, so moved it all to gmail, forwards and such for other accounts, works for me. Evolution is a fine client though | 20:56 |
gnomefreak | your right i dont see it being removed in the changelog just the couchdb was removed from recommends | 20:57 |
gnomefreak | ok i think i found it | 20:58 |
arand | gnomefreak: The ubuntu-destop installs all recommende packages as well. | 20:58 |
gnomefreak | it seems that the package maybe a meta evolution-common is installed | 20:58 |
arand | http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-desktop | 20:59 |
gnomefreak | arand: yes it does | 20:59 |
rww | arand: yes, the only thing on that page that mentions evo is nautilus-sendto | 20:59 |
gnomefreak | i guess we set *-common instead of evo* | 21:00 |
rww | ... and now it changed on refresh | 21:00 |
* rww thwacks chromium | 21:00 | |
gnomefreak | evo is listed under recommends, it used to be depends. keep in mind you can still pass a flag to not install recommends | 21:01 |
arand | ubuntu-desktop reccomends evolution evolution-exchange evolution-indicator evolution-plugins evolution-webcal ... But presumably you will be able to unistall them without unistalling ubuntu-desktop though. | 21:02 |
rww | arand: yeah, my browser was being dumb, my bad | 21:02 |
rww | s/dumb/odd/ | 21:02 |
rww | gnomefreak: hasn't been under depends since before hardy ;P | 21:03 |
* arand did not know that parts of ubuntu-meta was actually optional.. | 21:03 | |
gnomefreak | it says it recommends "evolution" however evolution is not installed | 21:04 |
HerrBert | how do I get my sound running in terminal? | 21:04 |
gnomefreak | HerrBert: you dont in gnome-terminal. i filed a bug on it, hold on and ill give you the number | 21:04 |
gnomefreak | HerrBert: bug 723936 please comment and mark confirmed if yours is same as mine | 21:05 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 723936 in unity (Ubuntu) "Gnome-terminal no longer plays sounds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723936 | 21:05 |
HerrBert | gnomefreak: but I need music and its my only os :D | 21:05 |
gnomefreak | HerrBert: my sounds all work except in terminal | 21:05 |
gnomefreak | and only in unity. g-t plays sounds in classic | 21:06 |
HerrBert | than it is another error =) i got: "Waiting for sound system to respond" | 21:06 |
HerrBert | ehen I try preferences at the applet | 21:06 |
gnomefreak | i dont like the command unity --reset :( now i have to get my boarders back. but screenshots work again | 21:21 |
gnomefreak | be back | 21:21 |
HerrBert | I don't even have unity installed on my natty, and when I want to it says just: unity : Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20110126 but it is not installable E: Broken packages | 21:27 |
HerrBert | but synamptic says there is no package like compiz-core-abiversion-20110126 | 21:27 |
HerrBert | so how can I install unity? | 21:28 |
Aikar | how easy is it going to be to remove unity and go back to gnome shell in 11.04? | 21:38 |
HerrBert | Aikar: I think i made it via remove unity, remove compiz and install metacity =) | 21:39 |
HerrBert | worked for me so long, compiz/unity were always slowly, lame or buggy | 21:40 |
Aikar | i just saw that its gonna be default on desktop for 11.04 :/ (sorry new to ubuntu sorta) i saw unity on my roommates netbook and i think its fine on a netbook but wish it could be a show on command instead of always there, but i dont think id like it on desktop | 21:41 |
Aikar | so, the "gnome shell" is a replacement for metacity, but 11.04 is not using either and using unity right? | 21:46 |
Aikar | to try to understand what each part is better | 21:46 |
Aikar | ok just read that Mutter is the window manager name. does the window manager also control the panels etc? | 21:48 |
ChogyDan | Aikar: I think compiz is the wm | 21:55 |
Aikar | compiz is the lib for compositing effects i think. i know metacity is the WM for 10.10, and i just read that Mutter is the WM of Gnome 3, and that Unity is the WM of 11.04 | 21:56 |
ChogyDan | Aikar: I think compiz is a wm, and unity is a shell. compared to gnome 3 with mutter being the wm and gnome-shell being the shell | 21:59 |
Aikar | dont we already have a compiz package to install compiz effects for 10.10? | 22:02 |
ChogyDan | Aikar: yeah | 22:04 |
Thingymebob | Wow today's updates totally broke my network! No Wireless no Wired | 22:54 |
jfi | broken also in recovery console | 22:59 |
Starminn | How do you get the side-dock to pop up? Running Alpha 2 in a VM and I can't figure out how to get that dock-like thing to pop up. | 23:00 |
Daekdroom | Starminn, it should show up by default if you have all windows minimized, and when you hover over the ubuntu icon on the top left. | 23:00 |
Daekdroom | Starminn, if it doesn't show up, that means you're not using Unity, which is likely, given you're running a VM and they usually don't support 3D out of the box | 23:01 |
Starminn | Daekdroom: Ah..... That would make sense, mhm. Alright, well thanks. That answers my dilemma. :) | 23:01 |
Starminn | It is the UNity interface, by the way. IT's just that that dock isn't popping up. :) | 23:02 |
Starminn | Just for future reference for others running in VM's. Anyway, see ya. Thanks again | 23:02 |
jfi | Thingymebob, downgrading isc-dhcp-client|common fix the issue | 23:19 |
Thingymebob | jfi, Thx I'll give it a go | 23:20 |
jfi | Thingymebob, I have just to a debpkg -i isc-dhcp-client*ubuntu3.deb isc-dcp-common*ubuntu3.deb | 23:21 |
jfi | Thingymebob, you should have the previous version in /var/cache/apt | 23:21 |
jfi | Thingymebob, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/724556 | 23:21 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724556 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Natty) "[Natty] isc-dhcp update breaks network connection" [Critical,Fix released] | 23:21 |
Thingymebob | jfi, Many thanks a newer version of those packages is available from launchpad librarian, doesn't seem to have hit the repos yet. chrooted in and now all fixed | 23:54 |
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