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FloridaGuyi know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..?00:10
yofeldepends, you could use libeatmydata so fsync() does nothing - use dpkg --force-unsafe-io which only disables sync() and thus isn't as insane as libeatmydata - or buy an SSD00:13
yofelI guess other methods are there too00:13
FloridaGuyyofel: why would i buy an ssd harddrive...i would just switch to arch00:19
cjohnstonis anyone else running +1 being told that the only thing available is a partial upgrade for multiple days now?00:19
yofelFloridaGuy: for me setting force-unsafe-io does speed things up, so I'm happy with that00:20
FloridaGuyyofel: it would be what..apt-get install <package name> -force-unsafe-io00:22
yofelno, add 'force-unsafe-io' to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg in a new line00:22
FloridaGuyok00:23
FloridaGuyyofel: put force-unsafe-io under...  no-debsig or log /var/log/dpkg.log00:25
FloridaGuynever mind a new line00:26
yofelI put it under the first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/571432/00:26
yofelI don't think it matters00:27
FloridaGuyok...thanks...ill reboot for the... linux-image-2.6.38-020638rc6-generic_2.6.38-020638rc6.201102220910_i386 ....then come back and see how that does00:28
Eruaranhi all00:41
EruaranI saw a bunch of updates to x and stuff today00:41
EruaranDoes that mean *maybe* ati/nvidia drivers might work now?00:41
EruaranOr am i jumping the gun a bit?00:41
bjsnideryou're jumping several guns00:43
bjsniderquite impressive, actually00:43
Eruaranwow yay me :P00:43
DaekdroomEruaran, I'd try waiting for the fglrx/nvidia-current updates, really00:51
DaekdroomX stack getting updates usually do not mean closed sources driver that weren't working will start working.00:51
EruaranDaekdroom: ok00:52
EruaranI'll keep a keen eye out00:52
Eruaranoh, how are things looking with fglrx?00:52
EruaranI've never been able to get my HD3650 to work nicely00:53
EruaranOnly ever been able to get desktop effects / crash if you want to play a game OR... beautiful gaming / no desktop effects00:53
EruaranIf that's sorted soon I'll put my HD3650 back in my system00:54
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kmqatHi, I've got an Acer AO522 with an AMD Ontario APU that fails to boot with the daily build. I haven't been able to find the corresponding bug. Is this a known issue?05:26
kmqatAlso, the specific problem is that the screen goes crazy nuts and locks up. How can I get some kind of log output before that happens? (booting from USB)05:35
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gnomefreakanyone do a clean install of Natty? i would like to know if ubuntu software center replaced synaptic yet08:01
gnomefreaklots of updates in less than 4 hours :)08:02
geseranyone else haveing the problem that the mouse scrollwheel doesn't scroll anymore?08:57
gnomefreakgeser: on a laptop or normal mouse?08:59
gesernormal mouse08:59
gnomefreaklaptop == touchpad09:00
gnomefreakgeser: no my mouse works fine09:00
susundbergmy mouse is still working properly also09:00
gnomefreakapport-collect doesnt seem to be working for me though09:01
geserI'll try #ubuntu-x then if they have any idea what's broken in my natty09:01
* gnomefreak is hungry but no one is is open this early09:02
gnomefreakok so i have filed like 5 bugs in 2days, i am tired of fileing bugs for now09:10
cdbsLooks like my Synaptics touchpad isn't working at all09:29
cdbsanyone else with similar issues?09:29
gnomefreakcdbs: i few people the other day09:29
cdbsI updated today, it was fine till yesterday09:29
cdbsand I updated yesterday as well09:29
cdbsgnomefreak: ?09:30
cdbsI didn't get you09:30
gnomefreakcdbs: a few people were complaining about touchpad not working09:30
cdbsgnomefreak: any workaround?09:31
gnomefreaki dont think anyone filed a bug on it09:31
gnomefreakcdbs: not that i know of09:31
cdbshmm09:31
cdbsThe mouse click button is working, though09:32
* gnomefreak never uses the touchpad09:32
gnomefreaki like my usb mouse alot better09:33
htorquecdbs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/72405109:37
ubottuUbuntu bug 724051 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,Confirmed]09:37
htorquecdbs, also, RAOF is looking for users facing that problem09:38
cdbshtorque: yes, I already got the bug link, thanks to LP search09:38
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ebischoffHi people. I have installed the latest updates to natty. One one of my machines (a macintosh), everything is perfect. On the other one (a PC with NVidia video card), I can't go past plymouth. Last messages on screen are about mounted filesystems. I am able to chroot into the old system from this Live CD.11:10
susundbergso your X/Nvidia drivers are not working properly11:11
susundberg?11:11
ebischoffnot sure. All i can say is that i keep seeing forever the four dots cycling welcome screen11:12
susundbergOh wait, plymonth is "Plymouth is a bootsplash for Linux. It supports animations."11:12
susundbergHmm, no console access with ctrl + alt + f1/f211:13
ebischoffyes, i see the bootsplash, and then that's all.11:13
susundbergi guess no if its plymonth still running11:13
ebischoffno console access, no ssh, but pings are okay11:13
susundbergyou could try without "splash" and "quiet" options11:13
yofelprint+alt+k and then ctrl+alt+f2 should give you a terminal11:13
susundbergoh!11:13
susundberggood to know!11:13
yofelthe first one is sysrq+k and will kill plymouth11:14
ebischoffoh, that one is a cool tip11:14
yofelif that doesn't give you a terminal it's stuck in the boot process well before X11:14
susundberg"The magic SysRq key is a key" :)11:14
susundberghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key11:14
yofelif it does check /var/log/Xorg.0.log11:15
ebischoffi can get a console from a chrooted environment11:15
ebischoffok, checking this one now11:15
ebischoffthat's funny. I don't seem to have Xorg.log* files in /var/log11:17
ebischoffi'll try the sysreq trick and also try to get fresh dmesg from there11:18
ebischoffsee you folks11:18
ebischoffaaaah wait wait wait11:18
ebischoffi have an onboard video card and an extra video card11:19
ebischoffi'll try to boot from the onboard card11:19
ebischoffit least it would give me a system11:19
ebischoffsee you later11:19
jmlmy time indicator is showing the wrong day11:35
ebischoffOK people. Still not booting further as the plymouth. Alt+Sysreq+k not working. Also tried with no effect to use another video card. Up to yesterday no problem booting.12:32
marijusanyone not getting unity to start after todays updates?12:41
ebischoffi don't know what unity is, but my system does not boot anymore after recebt updates12:43
yofelunity is the new desktop interface12:44
yofelebischoff: which graphics driver did/do you use?12:44
ebischoffah, i'm using kde12:44
ebischoffi tried to boot on my nvidia card, and also on the onboard card12:45
yofeldid you have the nvidia driver installed?12:45
ebischofffunny enough, no problem at all on the macintosh, while i did the updates exactly at the same time12:45
marijusgetting this error starting compiz with unity enabled: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571699/12:46
yofelmy thinkpad boots fine with nvidia using nouveau12:46
ebischoffstrange thing is, no log file modified in var/log, apart from the ones modified when using aptitude from the chroot environment12:47
yofelhm... then it's possibly stuck on mounting filesystems during boot12:48
yofelsomeone else did report something like that12:48
ebischoffi don't know which drivers it's trying to use. i tried putting a safe vesa setup with xorg.conf file, with no effect. also tried removing xorg.conf12:48
ebischoffyes there are similar reports on the forum : plymouth continuing forever12:48
ebischoffi'm not sure it's linked to xorg. I've been looking at xorg because the latest updates are related to xorg, but it seems the problem is much earlier12:49
ebischofflast messages are related to fsck, which are completly normal12:49
yofelyeah, if you don't even get to a tty then it's probably stuck earlier, proti and hggdh were discussing mount issues a while ago12:50
ebischoffi can try booting to runlevel 1 to prove it is unrelated to xorg12:51
ebischoffyes i don't get other ttys with ctrl alt f1 and such12:52
ebischoffpings answer, but not ssh12:52
yofelupstart doesn't really care about runlevels - so if anything disable KDM12:53
ebischoffi'm booting natty on the mac right now to get a irc client and continue this discussion while being able to do the tests12:53
yofelyou can add --verbose to the kernel options too so upstart tells you what it tries to do12:53
ebischoffok will do12:53
yofelnot easily debuggable though since it starts the jobs asynchronous12:53
ebischoffok, i'm back from the mac12:55
ebischoffso rebooting from the pc with --verbose as kernel arg12:56
ebischoffand disabling kdm12:56
yofelyou could also try to use init=/bin/sh (or bash) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging12:58
hggdhwhat goes on? Unable to finish boot on natty?12:58
* hggdh goes read the backlog12:58
ebischoffyes, unable to boot12:59
hggdhhum. Would you, per chance, have multiple filesystems?12:59
ebischofffunny enough, this is same natty, but on my mac, here12:59
ebischoffonly ext412:59
hggdhonly one filesystem?13:00
ebischoffmany13:00
hggdhyeah13:00
hggdhsounds like myself and proti13:00
hggdhbad news13:00
ebischoff--verbose, or verbose, after ro single ?13:01
hggdhI have been able to (eventually) complete the boot, but ecryptfs is hosed, which means I cannot login (root can, no ecryptfs for root)13:01
hggdh--verbose13:01
ebischoffno encrypted fs here13:01
hggdhbut you will probably still hang -- but you have to try anyway13:01
ebischoffwow lots of stuff13:02
hggdhyeah. the end protion is the only thing we will be able to look at13:02
ebischoffnetwork-interface (eth0) pre-start process exited normally13:02
ebischoffothe eth0 messages13:02
ebischoffhandling started event13:03
hggdhoh, you are cabled (I am not, so I never see these)13:03
ebischoffmountall-net main process exited normally13:03
ebischoffhandling stopping event13:03
hggdhand then you are stuck, right?13:03
ebischoffmountall-net state changed from stopping to killed13:03
Guest85918since last update my system can't boot further than loading udev (I think it is stuck there), also I figured that the update included the 2.6.38-5-generic kernel but uname -r shows 2.6.37, where can I start looking for the error?13:03
ebischoffhandling stopped event13:03
ebischoffand that's all13:03
ebischoffsame problem with -4 kernel13:04
hggdhGuest85918: there seems to be a regression on udev. I know it affects *installation*, but I do not know the full impact13:04
hggdhebischoff: you will need to reboot, and follow the instructions on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging13:05
ebischoffok, init=/bin/sh ?13:05
hggdhyou *may* be able to complete boot (eventually)13:05
hggdhI would use init=/bin/bash13:05
Guest85918i managed to jump into console and startx as root, than I had to start dbus and some other stuff now I can at least go online and get help.13:06
hggdhebischoff: after getting to the bash prompt on tty1: open a getty on tty2; then go to tty2, and open a getty on tty3; and again tty3 to open a getty on tty413:06
hggdhebischoff: you will probably need the additional shells13:06
Guest85918why does uname -r show the old kernel version although apt-get install says that 2.6.38 is already installed?13:06
yofelGuest85918: does sudo update-grub list the 38 kernel?13:07
protiebischoff: congrats you have the same bug as I.13:08
Guest85918yes, but just like "Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic13:08
Guest85918"13:08
yofelo.O? that's a real installation?13:08
hggdhoh13:09
protimorning all13:09
hggdhGuest85918: please run 'dpkg -l linux\image\*' and pastebin the results here13:10
hggdhsulut proti, we have another fellow with our issue13:10
protiI saw that.13:10
ebischoffyeah got a shell13:10
yofeler, dpkg -l linux-image-* you mean13:10
hggdhand I am still unable to raise awareness on this13:11
Guest85918 dpkg -l linux-image-* makes -> http://pastebin.com/wedJYqu013:11
protihggdh: It's a stealth problem that can have huge impact when the next image will be out.13:12
hggdhaye13:12
ebischoffok, how do i call this getty thing ?13:12
protigetty -8 -n -l /bin/bash 3844 tty<x> &13:12
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protiebischoff: don't forget the & at the end.13:13
protiI getting good at typing this command :)13:13
hggdhweird, I do not see any Xen kernel installed13:13
protiebischoff: 38400* sorry13:14
noahI did that dist-upgrade today, yesterday was everything fine13:14
ebischoffcommand accepted silently, but no Ctrl-Alt-F2 switch13:14
protiebischoff: try just alt F<x> where x is the same x as the tty13:15
ebischoff38400 instead of 3844 solved13:15
ebischoffok, got 6 terminals13:18
protie13:18
ebischoffnow what ? ;-)13:18
protiinitial console -> exec init13:18
ebischoffstuck after the various fscks apparently13:20
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ebischoffbut still got the other consoles, that's cool13:21
ebischofffunny, there are two fsck processes still running13:22
ebischoffah it's normal fsck, sorry, mounted too many times13:23
protinow what I did :13:23
protikill -9 <pid of mountall>13:23
protirun mountall by hand several times until everything is mounted13:24
protisometimes mount -a before helps13:24
protithen kill is the mountall does not finish13:24
protiuntil it works ok13:24
ebischoffor i could simply do the mounts by hand13:24
protinot enough13:25
ebischoffincluding proc and dev, i mean13:25
protiupstart relies on the mountall running and telling him it's running13:25
ebischoffah got it13:25
protibefore starting the next service13:25
protiupstart needs to verify mountall is ok (all fs mounted before running next)13:26
protihggdh: here dbus is not running13:26
protiie. does not start13:26
ebischoffworked !13:26
hggdhproti: will check13:26
ebischoffit's booting13:26
ebischoffyou're a genious13:27
ebischoffok it was a mounting problem then13:27
ebischoffno xorg stuff13:27
hggdhdbus-daemon is running here13:27
protiThanks, you're lucid....:)13:27
protihggdh: says -> unable to connect to the system bus : Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused13:28
protiFunny since it's the system dbus server...13:29
protiThe unix socket exists (shoud it ?).13:29
ebischoffi have to go to the dentist now13:30
protiebischoff: sorry for you13:30
ebischoffwe'll restart after that13:30
ebischofflol13:30
protiebischoff: xorg not starting is a normal problem I have at this time13:30
ebischoffwonder what was worse, not able to debug the system or going to the dentist ;-)13:30
noahproti: had the same, did sudo start dbus -> worked13:30
ebischoffyes xorg does not start but i guess i have to pass nomodeset to the kernel ?13:31
protinoah: me too, says started/running (no pid) and no process is showing in the ps list13:31
protiebischoff: you have nvidia ?13:31
ebischoffyes13:31
protiwith nouveau or nvidia ?13:31
ebischoffdunno, switched so many times ;-)13:32
ebischoffnv13:32
protiI suggest keeping nouveau once they fix the occasional freeze.13:32
protiebischoff: no way, nv is dead and buried13:32
ebischoffnouveau made me so many problems13:32
protiwhat hardware ?13:33
protiMy Xorg is down whereas the one at work is running13:33
yofelif you get the freeze, you can try to use nouveau.noaccel=1 as kernel parameter, works for me, no 3D of course13:33
protiof course13:33
ebischoffok, just tried nouveau and it froze my screens ;-)13:33
ebischoffi'll sort that out later13:33
protiWell startx on console is working but not initctl start gdm13:34
protifunny13:34
yofelyou can read up on the most common freeze on freedesktop bug 2698013:35
ubottuFreedesktop bug 26980 in Driver/nouveau "NVA3 / NVA5 / NVA8 / NVAF (GT2xx/GT3xx) with nouveau: random GPU lockups" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2698013:35
protiok, fixed, and remaining /var/run/dbus/pid file13:40
protiwas causing the trouble13:40
protian remaining*13:40
protihggdh: is there a workaround for mountall (execing 'mount -a' instead ?)13:41
noahis it normal that I get root access to my system when pressing Alt+Sysrq+i on startup without the need of a pwd or anything?13:44
protinoah: Yes13:44
protiRead the txt file about sysrq13:45
protisysrq+i means kill everything but init.13:45
noahyes, but i did not know that i wil automatically get logged into my system as root when using is13:45
noahit*13:45
protiThat is the default behaviour for upstart. An emergency procedure I think.13:46
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hassanguys anyone can help?13:56
hassani cant login to my ubuntu13:56
hassani kept getting that x.org error13:56
protihassan: could you tell a little bit more ?13:56
protiwhat x.org error ?13:56
hassanwell restarted pc i was sent to terminal, tried startx didnt work13:57
hassanthey said check the log13:57
protiso ?13:57
hggdhproti: Colin is asking some questions on the bug13:57
hassandid check did google try to update ugprade13:57
hassanstill cant login to ubuntu13:57
hassanbasicaly i am on my win713:58
protihggdh: where ?13:58
hggdhhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/72348213:58
ubottuUbuntu bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New]13:58
protiah ok13:58
protiI'll do it now.13:59
hassanmy vga is intel14:00
protiToo bad, I've got back my X windows14:00
protienv14:00
protihassan: what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says ?14:00
hassana big file :P14:00
protigrep for (EE)14:01
hassanif i login from startup usb ubuntu 10.10 can i get that .log file and put it for you on some website or mail it?14:01
protipastebin it ....14:02
protioh14:02
protiyou need X for that14:02
protihassan: just : grep 'EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log14:02
protiand look at the output14:02
hassanokay14:03
hassanand how i can show u the errors14:03
hassani login from my 2nd pc and write them?14:03
arand_You don't need X for pastebin... just install pastebinit14:03
hassancommand to pastebinit is?14:03
hassanafter i install it14:04
arand_sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log14:04
hassanokay14:04
protihggdh: dpkg.log posted.14:04
arand_or "command that produces text | pastebinit14:04
hassanbrb then i will run again ubuntu14:05
hassanand do that14:05
hassanthanks14:05
hassanbe back in few14:05
hassan-hi proti still there?14:13
hassan-http://paste.ubuntu.com/571736/14:13
arand_Seems like it's your keyboard that's messing up o_=14:18
hassan-ideas?14:19
hassan-replace it with another and test?14:19
hassan-and u think only windows is messed up from mircosoft seems there keyboard is worse lol14:20
arand_I have no idea really, but replacing it would be one test to do...14:21
hassan-arand14:23
hassan-arand_14:23
hassan-god bless you mate14:24
hassan-i changed the keyboard from an expensive into one shity one14:24
hassan-and it worked14:24
hassan-thanks for your help14:24
arand_hassan-: If you have time please report a bug as well, or look if it is already reported and provide more info if possible14:25
hassan-its already scanning for bugs14:25
hassan-i will report it when its done14:25
hassan-i always do, and send complete files14:25
arand_:)14:25
hassan-even i am still n00b14:26
hassan-but i know n00bs can get the best bugs ever14:26
hassan-i have a question though, sometimes my bug has sisters how can i know if its same? does it matter if i report it as new? or admins will get angry?14:27
ali1234they won't get angry14:28
ali1234it's trivial to mark duplicates so don't worry too much14:28
ali1234better to have dupes than no report at all14:28
arand_You can always mention "possibly related to #nnnnn" and let triagers decide.14:29
hassan-okasy thanks guys i will put the pastbig log in the comment about error14:32
hassan-lets hope it helps14:32
hassan-okay till next bug, thank you guys for spending part of your spare time to help others\14:36
noahhow can I get a list of my recent apt-get upgrades?14:37
edgyHi, when I launch gnucash I get this error: gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time14:38
edgyis it only me or a generic bug?14:39
genii-aroundnoah: Check /var/log/dpkg.log  and also /var/log/apt/history.log14:40
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edgyoops! I cannot even launch firefox! it's a gtk issie then, can someoen confirm?14:46
jibelHi, with today's update in Natty I've lost the touchpad and unity doesn't start on 2 different laptops. Anyone experiencing that too ?14:46
edgyjibel: I have lost firefox and gnucash ;)14:47
jibeledgy, heh edgy, I can't even reach that point :-)14:48
edgyjibel: I log using kde not unity14:48
arand_jibel: Think so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/72405114:48
ubottuUbuntu bug 724051 in utouch-frame (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,In progress]14:48
jibelarand, that's it. I'll downgrade. Thanks.14:51
yofelfrefox starts fine here, amd64 with 4.0 daily build14:58
kimimben_14hello!15:10
kimimben_14is there any posibility to reutrn old panel type ? i mean i don't want unity and also i don't want to see menus of windows on panel ...15:12
kimimben_14how to remove this feature ?15:12
charlie-tcakimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login15:13
kimimben_14it is just for unity ...15:13
kimimben_14i need to disable also menu feature...15:13
kimimben_14i want to see the menus on window...15:13
kimimben_14tha name of feature is "global menu"15:15
kimimben_14how to disable it ?15:15
charlie-tcakimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login15:15
kimimben_14charlie-tca: i am on classic desktop now.. but global menu is active now...15:15
ebischoffhggdh and proti: back from the dentist. I can get a full environment with X and all thanks to your workaround to bug 723482 (killing mountall and restarting it manually several times)15:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72348215:48
hggdhebischoff: great! Way better than where I am right now...15:50
ebischoffouch, sory to hear that, what's wrong ?15:50
ebischoffand by the way the mac uses /dev/sdaX, while the PC uses UUIDs in fstab, it explains that the mac is not hit by the bug15:51
* ebischoff loves when things restart being logical15:51
taneliapt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove xorg, probably a bad idea to let it?16:46
IdleOneprobably16:47
IdleOneyou may want to wait a few hours/days16:47
taneliok16:49
charlie-tcanormallyu a bad idea, yeah. Last time I okayed that was a disaster16:50
IdleOnecharlie-tca: is nvidia still broken?16:51
charlie-tcawell, it doesn't have 3d working yet17:12
charlie-tcaI see a Experimental 3d support for nvidia cards in hardware drivers now. I will have to try it17:13
IdleOnejust wondering if it is "safe enough" to try an upgrade17:13
yofelcharlie-tca: what card do you have?17:13
charlie-tcaI been using natty with an nvidia card17:13
* popey uses natty with nouveau and the experimental 3d support17:14
popeythe only time I've managed to get it to crash was when running an intensive minecraft session17:14
charlie-tcaNVidia G84 [GeForce 8600GT] PCI-E Video w/512MB ram17:15
charlie-tcapopey: are we using gallium now or still in nouveau?17:15
yofelah, should work I think17:15
popeywe are17:15
popeyVGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GT/GTO] (rev a1)17:15
popeythats the card I'm using17:15
yofelI've got an GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) which needs nouveau.noaccel=1 or I get GPU lockups17:16
IdleOnenVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)17:16
popeyI'm amazed that nouveau has come on as far as it has17:19
IdleOneSo, should I attempt an upgrade ?17:20
IdleOneexpert opinions most welcome :)17:20
Eruaranany word on the broken nvidia/ati driver situation?17:21
popeydefine broken?17:26
virtualdit'll be fixed at release at usual17:27
tsutherhello all17:45
tsutheranyone having problems running vmware workstation in the last couple of days?17:45
tsuthermodules compile fine, but vmware simply goes away when it's run17:45
tsuthersame thing with vmplayer17:47
tsutheror is this not the proper forum for such things17:50
charlie-tcaif it is in natty, this is the right place, but if we don't use vmware, we won't respond17:55
charlie-tcauh, this seems bad... I have not done any updates today, restarted after updating yesterday. I now have 71 updates to install, and an icon that says restart required to complete updates18:06
dupondjesomebody here good @ iptables ? :D18:43
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HerrBertany news on the problem that system does not start anymore since last update/upgrade?20:21
protiHerrBert: no20:27
joejc18does 11.04 use unity?20:27
protiProblem occurs only when system have multiple fs(s) mounted.20:27
HerrBertthats bad :/20:27
rwwjoejc18: yes20:27
arandjoejc18: yes20:27
HerrBertmight it work when I unplug my mobile hard drives?20:27
joejc18how does it compare to gnome?20:27
protiHerrBert: problems starts at 220:36
Daekdroommongy, I prefer pidgin and rhythmbox, therefore I don't get what you're saying.20:37
mongybanshee > rbox -- pidgin > empathy.  basically.20:37
DaekdroomI think banshee is so bloated.20:38
gnomefreakits really weird i have gltext screensaver set and it works fine for a little while than just stops, there is no load on the system20:43
* gnomefreak scratches head20:43
arandgnomefreak: Power saving settings taking over?20:44
arandI envy xubuntu getting gmusicbrowser :D20:45
gnomefreakarand: i dont hink so as this just started about an hour ago20:45
gnomefreakevolution is no longer default email?20:45
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Development:~$ policy evolution20:45
gnomefreakevolution: Installed: (none)20:46
gnomefreaki never removed it20:46
* gnomefreak very happy its not installed20:46
gnomefreakyay compiz is breaking unity20:47
HerrBertmetacity!!! :D20:47
* gnomefreak wonders what email client we ship with now20:48
rwwUbuntu is Evolution and Xubuntu is Thunderbird, I thought.20:49
charlie-tcaas far as I know, that has not changed yet20:49
charlie-tcamaybe you don't have an email client today20:49
gnomefreaki never removed evo and it is not installed on my system with Ubuntu20:50
gnomefreakand yes tb is Xubuntu20:50
rwwheh, natty's ubuntu-desktop doesn't have evolution on it. interesting.20:51
gnomefreakok so after going through the updates by hand it seems compiz and gsettings* are broken20:51
arandgnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+changelog shows no removal ov evolution as far as I can tell20:51
gnomefreakbegs the question of what email is default now and why does the prefered apps dialog still list evo20:51
arandgnomefreak: SInce evolution is the defautl mail app still.20:52
arandNo change20:52
gnomefreakdefault just not installed20:52
arandWell as far as I can tell it should be20:52
gnomefreak2 time outs on that link20:52
gnomefreakwas evo always under optional?20:54
gnomefreakPackage: evolution20:55
gnomefreakPriority: optional20:55
mongydefault should be gm-notify :)20:55
gnomefreakthat isnt an email client20:56
mongyI just dont use email as much as I used to, so moved it all to gmail, forwards and such for other accounts, works for me.  Evolution is a fine client though20:56
gnomefreakyour right i dont see it being removed in the changelog just the couchdb was removed from recommends20:57
gnomefreakok i think i found it20:58
arandgnomefreak: The ubuntu-destop installs all recommende packages as well.20:58
gnomefreakit seems that the package maybe a meta evolution-common is installed20:58
arandhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-desktop20:59
gnomefreakarand: yes it does20:59
rwwarand: yes, the only thing on that page that mentions evo is nautilus-sendto20:59
gnomefreaki guess we set *-common instead of evo*21:00
rww... and now it changed on refresh21:00
* rww thwacks chromium21:00
gnomefreakevo is listed under recommends, it used to be depends. keep in mind you can still pass a flag to not install recommends21:01
arandubuntu-desktop reccomends evolution evolution-exchange evolution-indicator evolution-plugins evolution-webcal ... But presumably you will be able to unistall them without unistalling ubuntu-desktop though.21:02
rwwarand: yeah, my browser was being dumb, my bad21:02
rwws/dumb/odd/21:02
rwwgnomefreak: hasn't been under depends since before hardy ;P21:03
* arand did not know that parts of ubuntu-meta was actually optional..21:03
gnomefreakit says it recommends "evolution" however evolution is not installed21:04
HerrBerthow do I get my sound running in terminal?21:04
gnomefreakHerrBert: you dont in gnome-terminal. i filed a bug on it, hold on and ill give you the number21:04
gnomefreakHerrBert: bug 723936 please comment and mark confirmed if yours is same as mine21:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 723936 in unity (Ubuntu) "Gnome-terminal no longer plays sounds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72393621:05
HerrBertgnomefreak: but I need music and its my only os :D21:05
gnomefreakHerrBert: my sounds all work except in terminal21:05
gnomefreakand only in unity. g-t plays sounds in classic21:06
HerrBertthan it is another error =) i got: "Waiting for sound system to respond"21:06
HerrBertehen I try preferences at the applet21:06
gnomefreaki dont like the command unity --reset :( now i have to get my boarders back. but screenshots work again21:21
gnomefreakbe back21:21
HerrBertI don't even have unity installed on my natty, and when I want to it says just:  unity : Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20110126 but it is not installable E: Broken packages21:27
HerrBertbut synamptic says there is no package like compiz-core-abiversion-2011012621:27
HerrBertso how can I install unity?21:28
Aikarhow easy is it going to be to remove unity and go back to gnome shell in 11.04?21:38
HerrBertAikar: I think i made it via remove unity, remove compiz and install metacity =)21:39
HerrBertworked for me so long, compiz/unity were always slowly, lame or buggy21:40
Aikari just saw that its gonna be default on desktop for 11.04 :/ (sorry new to ubuntu sorta) i saw unity on my roommates netbook and i think its fine on a netbook but wish it could be a show on command instead of always there, but i dont think id like it on desktop21:41
Aikarso, the "gnome shell" is a replacement for metacity, but 11.04 is not using either and using unity right?21:46
Aikarto try to understand what each part is better21:46
Aikarok just read that Mutter is the window manager name. does the window manager also control the panels etc?21:48
ChogyDanAikar: I think compiz is the wm21:55
Aikarcompiz is the lib for compositing effects i think. i know metacity is the WM for 10.10, and i just read that Mutter is the WM of Gnome 3, and that Unity is the WM of 11.0421:56
ChogyDanAikar: I think compiz is a wm, and unity is a shell.  compared to gnome 3 with mutter being the wm and gnome-shell being the shell21:59
Aikardont we already have a compiz package to install compiz effects for 10.10?22:02
ChogyDanAikar: yeah22:04
ThingymebobWow today's updates totally broke my network! No Wireless no Wired22:54
jfibroken also in recovery console22:59
StarminnHow do you get the side-dock to pop up? Running Alpha 2 in a VM and I can't figure out how to get that dock-like thing to pop up.23:00
DaekdroomStarminn, it should show up by default if you have all windows minimized, and when you hover over the ubuntu icon on the top left.23:00
DaekdroomStarminn, if it doesn't show up, that means you're not using Unity, which is likely, given you're running a VM and they usually don't support 3D out of the box23:01
StarminnDaekdroom: Ah..... That would make sense, mhm. Alright, well thanks. That answers my dilemma. :)23:01
StarminnIt is the UNity interface, by the way. IT's just that that dock isn't popping up. :)23:02
StarminnJust for future reference for others running in VM's. Anyway, see ya. Thanks again23:02
jfiThingymebob, downgrading isc-dhcp-client|common fix the issue23:19
Thingymebobjfi, Thx I'll give it a go23:20
jfiThingymebob, I have just to a debpkg -i isc-dhcp-client*ubuntu3.deb isc-dcp-common*ubuntu3.deb23:21
jfiThingymebob, you should have the previous version in /var/cache/apt23:21
jfiThingymebob, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/72455623:21
ubottuUbuntu bug 724556 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Natty) "[Natty] isc-dhcp update breaks network connection" [Critical,Fix released]23:21
Thingymebobjfi, Many thanks a newer version of those packages is available from launchpad librarian, doesn't seem to have hit the repos yet. chrooted in and now all fixed23:54

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