[00:10] i know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..? [00:13] depends, you could use libeatmydata so fsync() does nothing - use dpkg --force-unsafe-io which only disables sync() and thus isn't as insane as libeatmydata - or buy an SSD [00:13] I guess other methods are there too [00:19] yofel: why would i buy an ssd harddrive...i would just switch to arch [00:19] is anyone else running +1 being told that the only thing available is a partial upgrade for multiple days now? [00:20] FloridaGuy: for me setting force-unsafe-io does speed things up, so I'm happy with that [00:22] yofel: it would be what..apt-get install -force-unsafe-io [00:22] no, add 'force-unsafe-io' to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg in a new line [00:23] ok [00:25] yofel: put force-unsafe-io under... no-debsig or log /var/log/dpkg.log [00:26] never mind a new line [00:26] I put it under the first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/571432/ [00:27] I don't think it matters [00:28] ok...thanks...ill reboot for the... linux-image-2.6.38-020638rc6-generic_2.6.38-020638rc6.201102220910_i386 ....then come back and see how that does [00:41] hi all [00:41] I saw a bunch of updates to x and stuff today [00:41] Does that mean *maybe* ati/nvidia drivers might work now? [00:41] Or am i jumping the gun a bit? [00:43] you're jumping several guns [00:43] quite impressive, actually [00:43] wow yay me :P [00:51] Eruaran, I'd try waiting for the fglrx/nvidia-current updates, really [00:51] X stack getting updates usually do not mean closed sources driver that weren't working will start working. [00:52] Daekdroom: ok [00:52] I'll keep a keen eye out [00:52] oh, how are things looking with fglrx? [00:53] I've never been able to get my HD3650 to work nicely [00:53] Only ever been able to get desktop effects / crash if you want to play a game OR... beautiful gaming / no desktop effects [00:54] If that's sorted soon I'll put my HD3650 back in my system === 84XAAABJE is now known as Seeker` [03:23] * Eruaran lurks === 20QAATNK3 is now known as solid_liq [05:26] Hi, I've got an Acer AO522 with an AMD Ontario APU that fails to boot with the daily build. I haven't been able to find the corresponding bug. Is this a known issue? [05:35] Also, the specific problem is that the screen goes crazy nuts and locks up. How can I get some kind of log output before that happens? (booting from USB) === deegee_1 is now known as deegee_ === htorque_ is now known as htorque [08:01] anyone do a clean install of Natty? i would like to know if ubuntu software center replaced synaptic yet [08:02] lots of updates in less than 4 hours :) [08:57] anyone else haveing the problem that the mouse scrollwheel doesn't scroll anymore? [08:59] geser: on a laptop or normal mouse? [08:59] normal mouse [09:00] laptop == touchpad [09:00] geser: no my mouse works fine [09:00] my mouse is still working properly also [09:01] apport-collect doesnt seem to be working for me though [09:01] I'll try #ubuntu-x then if they have any idea what's broken in my natty [09:02] * gnomefreak is hungry but no one is is open this early [09:10] ok so i have filed like 5 bugs in 2days, i am tired of fileing bugs for now [09:29] Looks like my Synaptics touchpad isn't working at all [09:29] anyone else with similar issues? [09:29] cdbs: i few people the other day [09:29] I updated today, it was fine till yesterday [09:29] and I updated yesterday as well [09:30] gnomefreak: ? [09:30] I didn't get you [09:30] cdbs: a few people were complaining about touchpad not working [09:31] gnomefreak: any workaround? [09:31] i dont think anyone filed a bug on it [09:31] cdbs: not that i know of [09:31] hmm [09:32] The mouse click button is working, though [09:32] * gnomefreak never uses the touchpad [09:33] i like my usb mouse alot better [09:37] cdbs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051 [09:37] Ubuntu bug 724051 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,Confirmed] [09:38] cdbs, also, RAOF is looking for users facing that problem [09:38] htorque: yes, I already got the bug link, thanks to LP search === Eruaran_ is now known as Eruaran [11:10] Hi people. I have installed the latest updates to natty. One one of my machines (a macintosh), everything is perfect. On the other one (a PC with NVidia video card), I can't go past plymouth. Last messages on screen are about mounted filesystems. I am able to chroot into the old system from this Live CD. [11:11] so your X/Nvidia drivers are not working properly [11:11] ? [11:12] not sure. All i can say is that i keep seeing forever the four dots cycling welcome screen [11:12] Oh wait, plymonth is "Plymouth is a bootsplash for Linux. It supports animations." [11:13] Hmm, no console access with ctrl + alt + f1/f2 [11:13] yes, i see the bootsplash, and then that's all. [11:13] i guess no if its plymonth still running [11:13] no console access, no ssh, but pings are okay [11:13] you could try without "splash" and "quiet" options [11:13] print+alt+k and then ctrl+alt+f2 should give you a terminal [11:13] oh! [11:13] good to know! [11:14] the first one is sysrq+k and will kill plymouth [11:14] oh, that one is a cool tip [11:14] if that doesn't give you a terminal it's stuck in the boot process well before X [11:14] "The magic SysRq key is a key" :) [11:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [11:15] if it does check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:15] i can get a console from a chrooted environment [11:15] ok, checking this one now [11:17] that's funny. I don't seem to have Xorg.log* files in /var/log [11:18] i'll try the sysreq trick and also try to get fresh dmesg from there [11:18] see you folks [11:18] aaaah wait wait wait [11:19] i have an onboard video card and an extra video card [11:19] i'll try to boot from the onboard card [11:19] it least it would give me a system [11:19] see you later [11:35] my time indicator is showing the wrong day [12:32] OK people. Still not booting further as the plymouth. Alt+Sysreq+k not working. Also tried with no effect to use another video card. Up to yesterday no problem booting. [12:41] anyone not getting unity to start after todays updates? [12:43] i don't know what unity is, but my system does not boot anymore after recebt updates [12:44] unity is the new desktop interface [12:44] ebischoff: which graphics driver did/do you use? [12:44] ah, i'm using kde [12:45] i tried to boot on my nvidia card, and also on the onboard card [12:45] did you have the nvidia driver installed? [12:45] funny enough, no problem at all on the macintosh, while i did the updates exactly at the same time [12:46] getting this error starting compiz with unity enabled: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/571699/ [12:46] my thinkpad boots fine with nvidia using nouveau [12:47] strange thing is, no log file modified in var/log, apart from the ones modified when using aptitude from the chroot environment [12:48] hm... then it's possibly stuck on mounting filesystems during boot [12:48] someone else did report something like that [12:48] i don't know which drivers it's trying to use. i tried putting a safe vesa setup with xorg.conf file, with no effect. also tried removing xorg.conf [12:48] yes there are similar reports on the forum : plymouth continuing forever [12:49] i'm not sure it's linked to xorg. I've been looking at xorg because the latest updates are related to xorg, but it seems the problem is much earlier [12:49] last messages are related to fsck, which are completly normal [12:50] yeah, if you don't even get to a tty then it's probably stuck earlier, proti and hggdh were discussing mount issues a while ago [12:51] i can try booting to runlevel 1 to prove it is unrelated to xorg [12:52] yes i don't get other ttys with ctrl alt f1 and such [12:52] pings answer, but not ssh [12:53] upstart doesn't really care about runlevels - so if anything disable KDM [12:53] i'm booting natty on the mac right now to get a irc client and continue this discussion while being able to do the tests [12:53] you can add --verbose to the kernel options too so upstart tells you what it tries to do [12:53] ok will do [12:53] not easily debuggable though since it starts the jobs asynchronous [12:55] ok, i'm back from the mac [12:56] so rebooting from the pc with --verbose as kernel arg [12:56] and disabling kdm [12:58] you could also try to use init=/bin/sh (or bash) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging [12:58] what goes on? Unable to finish boot on natty? [12:58] * hggdh goes read the backlog [12:59] yes, unable to boot [12:59] hum. Would you, per chance, have multiple filesystems? [12:59] funny enough, this is same natty, but on my mac, here [12:59] only ext4 [13:00] only one filesystem? [13:00] many [13:00] yeah [13:00] sounds like myself and proti [13:00] bad news [13:01] --verbose, or verbose, after ro single ? [13:01] I have been able to (eventually) complete the boot, but ecryptfs is hosed, which means I cannot login (root can, no ecryptfs for root) [13:01] --verbose [13:01] no encrypted fs here [13:01] but you will probably still hang -- but you have to try anyway [13:02] wow lots of stuff [13:02] yeah. the end protion is the only thing we will be able to look at [13:02] network-interface (eth0) pre-start process exited normally [13:02] othe eth0 messages [13:03] handling started event [13:03] oh, you are cabled (I am not, so I never see these) [13:03] mountall-net main process exited normally [13:03] handling stopping event [13:03] and then you are stuck, right? [13:03] mountall-net state changed from stopping to killed [13:03] since last update my system can't boot further than loading udev (I think it is stuck there), also I figured that the update included the 2.6.38-5-generic kernel but uname -r shows 2.6.37, where can I start looking for the error? [13:03] handling stopped event [13:03] and that's all [13:04] same problem with -4 kernel [13:04] Guest85918: there seems to be a regression on udev. I know it affects *installation*, but I do not know the full impact [13:05] ebischoff: you will need to reboot, and follow the instructions on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging [13:05] ok, init=/bin/sh ? [13:05] you *may* be able to complete boot (eventually) [13:05] I would use init=/bin/bash [13:06] i managed to jump into console and startx as root, than I had to start dbus and some other stuff now I can at least go online and get help. [13:06] ebischoff: after getting to the bash prompt on tty1: open a getty on tty2; then go to tty2, and open a getty on tty3; and again tty3 to open a getty on tty4 [13:06] ebischoff: you will probably need the additional shells [13:06] why does uname -r show the old kernel version although apt-get install says that 2.6.38 is already installed? [13:07] Guest85918: does sudo update-grub list the 38 kernel? [13:08] ebischoff: congrats you have the same bug as I. [13:08] yes, but just like "Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic [13:08] " [13:08] o.O? that's a real installation? [13:09] oh [13:09] morning all [13:10] Guest85918: please run 'dpkg -l linux\image\*' and pastebin the results here [13:10] sulut proti, we have another fellow with our issue [13:10] I saw that. [13:10] yeah got a shell [13:10] er, dpkg -l linux-image-* you mean [13:11] and I am still unable to raise awareness on this [13:11] dpkg -l linux-image-* makes -> http://pastebin.com/wedJYqu0 [13:12] hggdh: It's a stealth problem that can have huge impact when the next image will be out. [13:12] aye [13:12] ok, how do i call this getty thing ? [13:12] getty -8 -n -l /bin/bash 3844 tty & === Guest85918 is now known as noah [13:13] ebischoff: don't forget the & at the end. [13:13] I getting good at typing this command :) [13:13] weird, I do not see any Xen kernel installed [13:14] ebischoff: 38400* sorry [13:14] I did that dist-upgrade today, yesterday was everything fine [13:14] command accepted silently, but no Ctrl-Alt-F2 switch [13:15] ebischoff: try just alt F where x is the same x as the tty [13:15] 38400 instead of 3844 solved [13:18] ok, got 6 terminals [13:18] e [13:18] now what ? ;-) [13:18] initial console -> exec init [13:20] stuck after the various fscks apparently === patdk-wk_ is now known as patdk-wk [13:21] but still got the other consoles, that's cool [13:22] funny, there are two fsck processes still running [13:23] ah it's normal fsck, sorry, mounted too many times [13:23] now what I did : [13:23] kill -9 [13:24] run mountall by hand several times until everything is mounted [13:24] sometimes mount -a before helps [13:24] then kill is the mountall does not finish [13:24] until it works ok [13:24] or i could simply do the mounts by hand [13:25] not enough [13:25] including proc and dev, i mean [13:25] upstart relies on the mountall running and telling him it's running [13:25] ah got it [13:25] before starting the next service [13:26] upstart needs to verify mountall is ok (all fs mounted before running next) [13:26] hggdh: here dbus is not running [13:26] ie. does not start [13:26] worked ! [13:26] proti: will check [13:26] it's booting [13:27] you're a genious [13:27] ok it was a mounting problem then [13:27] no xorg stuff [13:27] dbus-daemon is running here [13:27] Thanks, you're lucid....:) [13:28] hggdh: says -> unable to connect to the system bus : Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused [13:29] Funny since it's the system dbus server... [13:29] The unix socket exists (shoud it ?). [13:30] i have to go to the dentist now [13:30] ebischoff: sorry for you [13:30] we'll restart after that [13:30] lol [13:30] ebischoff: xorg not starting is a normal problem I have at this time [13:30] wonder what was worse, not able to debug the system or going to the dentist ;-) [13:30] proti: had the same, did sudo start dbus -> worked [13:31] yes xorg does not start but i guess i have to pass nomodeset to the kernel ? [13:31] noah: me too, says started/running (no pid) and no process is showing in the ps list [13:31] ebischoff: you have nvidia ? [13:31] yes [13:31] with nouveau or nvidia ? [13:32] dunno, switched so many times ;-) [13:32] nv [13:32] I suggest keeping nouveau once they fix the occasional freeze. [13:32] ebischoff: no way, nv is dead and buried [13:32] nouveau made me so many problems [13:33] what hardware ? [13:33] My Xorg is down whereas the one at work is running [13:33] if you get the freeze, you can try to use nouveau.noaccel=1 as kernel parameter, works for me, no 3D of course [13:33] of course [13:33] ok, just tried nouveau and it froze my screens ;-) [13:33] i'll sort that out later [13:34] Well startx on console is working but not initctl start gdm [13:34] funny [13:35] you can read up on the most common freeze on freedesktop bug 26980 [13:35] Freedesktop bug 26980 in Driver/nouveau "NVA3 / NVA5 / NVA8 / NVAF (GT2xx/GT3xx) with nouveau: random GPU lockups" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26980 [13:40] ok, fixed, and remaining /var/run/dbus/pid file [13:40] was causing the trouble [13:40] an remaining* [13:41] hggdh: is there a workaround for mountall (execing 'mount -a' instead ?) [13:44] is it normal that I get root access to my system when pressing Alt+Sysrq+i on startup without the need of a pwd or anything? [13:44] noah: Yes [13:45] Read the txt file about sysrq [13:45] sysrq+i means kill everything but init. [13:45] yes, but i did not know that i wil automatically get logged into my system as root when using is [13:45] it* [13:46] That is the default behaviour for upstart. An emergency procedure I think. === commander_ is now known as Justice [13:56] guys anyone can help? [13:56] i cant login to my ubuntu [13:56] i kept getting that x.org error [13:56] hassan: could you tell a little bit more ? [13:56] what x.org error ? [13:57] well restarted pc i was sent to terminal, tried startx didnt work [13:57] they said check the log [13:57] so ? [13:57] proti: Colin is asking some questions on the bug [13:57] did check did google try to update ugprade [13:57] still cant login to ubuntu [13:58] basicaly i am on my win7 [13:58] hggdh: where ? [13:58] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/723482 [13:58] Ubuntu bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] [13:58] ah ok [13:59] I'll do it now. [14:00] my vga is intel [14:00] Too bad, I've got back my X windows [14:00] env [14:00] hassan: what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says ? [14:00] a big file :P [14:01] grep for (EE) [14:01] if i login from startup usb ubuntu 10.10 can i get that .log file and put it for you on some website or mail it? [14:02] pastebin it .... [14:02] oh [14:02] you need X for that [14:02] hassan: just : grep 'EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [14:02] and look at the output [14:03] okay [14:03] and how i can show u the errors [14:03] i login from my 2nd pc and write them? [14:03] You don't need X for pastebin... just install pastebinit [14:03] command to pastebinit is? [14:04] after i install it [14:04] sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log [14:04] okay [14:04] hggdh: dpkg.log posted. [14:04] or "command that produces text | pastebinit [14:05] brb then i will run again ubuntu [14:05] and do that [14:05] thanks [14:05] be back in few [14:13] hi proti still there? [14:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/571736/ [14:18] Seems like it's your keyboard that's messing up o_= [14:19] ideas? [14:19] replace it with another and test? [14:20] and u think only windows is messed up from mircosoft seems there keyboard is worse lol [14:21] I have no idea really, but replacing it would be one test to do... [14:23] arand [14:23] arand_ [14:24] god bless you mate [14:24] i changed the keyboard from an expensive into one shity one [14:24] and it worked [14:24] thanks for your help [14:25] hassan-: If you have time please report a bug as well, or look if it is already reported and provide more info if possible [14:25] its already scanning for bugs [14:25] i will report it when its done [14:25] i always do, and send complete files [14:25] :) [14:26] even i am still n00b [14:26] but i know n00bs can get the best bugs ever [14:27] i have a question though, sometimes my bug has sisters how can i know if its same? does it matter if i report it as new? or admins will get angry? [14:28] they won't get angry [14:28] it's trivial to mark duplicates so don't worry too much [14:28] better to have dupes than no report at all [14:29] You can always mention "possibly related to #nnnnn" and let triagers decide. [14:32] okasy thanks guys i will put the pastbig log in the comment about error [14:32] lets hope it helps [14:36] okay till next bug, thank you guys for spending part of your spare time to help others\ [14:37] how can I get a list of my recent apt-get upgrades? [14:38] Hi, when I launch gnucash I get this error: gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time [14:39] is it only me or a generic bug? [14:40] noah: Check /var/log/dpkg.log and also /var/log/apt/history.log === joaopinto_ is now known as joaopinto [14:46] oops! I cannot even launch firefox! it's a gtk issie then, can someoen confirm? [14:46] Hi, with today's update in Natty I've lost the touchpad and unity doesn't start on 2 different laptops. Anyone experiencing that too ? [14:47] jibel: I have lost firefox and gnucash ;) [14:48] edgy, heh edgy, I can't even reach that point :-) [14:48] jibel: I log using kde not unity [14:48] jibel: Think so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/724051 [14:48] Ubuntu bug 724051 in utouch-frame (Ubuntu) "upgrade to 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu4 breaks touchpad " [High,In progress] [14:51] arand, that's it. I'll downgrade. Thanks. [14:58] frefox starts fine here, amd64 with 4.0 daily build [15:10] hello! [15:12] is there any posibility to reutrn old panel type ? i mean i don't want unity and also i don't want to see menus of windows on panel ... [15:12] how to remove this feature ? [15:13] kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login [15:13] it is just for unity ... [15:13] i need to disable also menu feature... [15:13] i want to see the menus on window... [15:15] tha name of feature is "global menu" [15:15] how to disable it ? [15:15] kimimben_14: use classic desktop session at login [15:15] charlie-tca: i am on classic desktop now.. but global menu is active now... [15:47] hggdh and proti: back from the dentist. I can get a full environment with X and all thanks to your workaround to bug 723482 (killing mountall and restarting it manually several times) [15:48] Launchpad bug 723482 in mountall (Ubuntu) "system hangs on boot after updates from 2011-02-22" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723482 [15:50] ebischoff: great! Way better than where I am right now... [15:50] ouch, sory to hear that, what's wrong ? [15:51] and by the way the mac uses /dev/sdaX, while the PC uses UUIDs in fstab, it explains that the mac is not hit by the bug [15:51] * ebischoff loves when things restart being logical [16:46] apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove xorg, probably a bad idea to let it? [16:47] probably [16:47] you may want to wait a few hours/days [16:49] ok [16:50] normallyu a bad idea, yeah. Last time I okayed that was a disaster [16:51] charlie-tca: is nvidia still broken? [17:12] well, it doesn't have 3d working yet [17:13] I see a Experimental 3d support for nvidia cards in hardware drivers now. I will have to try it [17:13] just wondering if it is "safe enough" to try an upgrade [17:13] charlie-tca: what card do you have? [17:13] I been using natty with an nvidia card [17:14] * popey uses natty with nouveau and the experimental 3d support [17:14] the only time I've managed to get it to crash was when running an intensive minecraft session [17:15] NVidia G84 [GeForce 8600GT] PCI-E Video w/512MB ram [17:15] popey: are we using gallium now or still in nouveau? [17:15] ah, should work I think [17:15] we are [17:15] VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GT/GTO] (rev a1) [17:15] thats the card I'm using [17:16] I've got an GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) which needs nouveau.noaccel=1 or I get GPU lockups [17:16] nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) [17:19] I'm amazed that nouveau has come on as far as it has [17:20] So, should I attempt an upgrade ? [17:20] expert opinions most welcome :) [17:21] any word on the broken nvidia/ati driver situation? [17:26] define broken? [17:27] it'll be fixed at release at usual [17:45] hello all [17:45] anyone having problems running vmware workstation in the last couple of days? [17:45] modules compile fine, but vmware simply goes away when it's run [17:47] same thing with vmplayer [17:50] or is this not the proper forum for such things [17:55] if it is in natty, this is the right place, but if we don't use vmware, we won't respond [18:06] uh, this seems bad... I have not done any updates today, restarted after updating yesterday. I now have 71 updates to install, and an icon that says restart required to complete updates [18:43] somebody here good @ iptables ? :D === Nattgew_ is now known as Nattgew [20:21] any news on the problem that system does not start anymore since last update/upgrade? [20:27] HerrBert: no [20:27] does 11.04 use unity? [20:27] Problem occurs only when system have multiple fs(s) mounted. [20:27] thats bad :/ [20:27]