popey | jcastro: have my test posts to summit been removed? | 01:09 |
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jcastro_ | popey: yeah you're all reset | 02:41 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: still around? | 02:55 |
jcastro_ | yo | 02:55 |
cjohnston | howdy.. my buddy atomicferret has a unity problem... maybe you can assist a little | 02:56 |
atomicferret | heh | 02:56 |
atomicferret | is there a reliable mechanism to get the sidebar to display the option to pin an item? | 02:56 |
atomicferret | I get several things I can't pin in place, as the add option just isn't there | 02:57 |
atomicferret | (tried reboots, etc) | 02:57 |
atomicferret | current netbook version 10.10 | 02:57 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: on 10.10 netbook | 02:57 |
jcastro_ | no | 02:58 |
cjohnston | well.. i guess thats an easy answer :-( | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | it's kind of not very good | 02:59 |
atomicferret | lol | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | I personally would just use unity 2d if you are on 10.10 | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | despite the unfinshedness of it | 02:59 |
atomicferret | that just a different package in apt? | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | or just log into normal gnome | 02:59 |
atomicferret | or a PPA | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | yeah, one sec | 02:59 |
jcastro_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/21686/how-do-i-install-the-unity-2d-desktop | 03:00 |
atomicferret | ah sweet | 03:00 |
atomicferret | thanks | 03:00 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: is my go to uniuty guy... | 03:00 |
cjohnston | unity too | 03:01 |
jcastro_ | \o/ | 03:01 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: did you see my scheduled call with mr. metal? | 03:01 |
jcastro_ | yes | 03:01 |
jcastro_ | I accepted | 03:01 |
* cjohnston is tired of the partial upgrade message on +1 :-( | 03:01 | |
cjohnston | cool | 03:01 |
atomicferret | I wonder how the poulsbo driver is coming along in +1 | 03:02 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: would Bug #711033 be bitesize? | 03:04 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 711033 in unity "Add the ability to remove mounted drives from the Unity launcher" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711033 | 03:04 |
jcastro_ | heh, don't get your hopes up | 03:04 |
atomicferret | yeah, silly gma bs | 03:04 |
jcastro_ | hmm, I can ask cjohnston | 03:04 |
jcastro_ | atomicferret: I've been eyeballing the new thinkpad | 03:04 |
jcastro_ | http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/21928-lenovos-fusion-x120e-116-inch-thinkpad-available | 03:05 |
atomicferret | that is cute | 03:06 |
cjohnston | jcastro_: atomicferret works in the cloud world at slicehost | 03:06 |
atomicferret | the only reason I have the poulsbo nightmare is from a fit-pc2i | 03:07 |
jcastro_ | where do I know that name from? | 03:07 |
atomicferret | VPS provider | 03:07 |
cjohnston | rackspace | 03:07 |
jcastro_ | oh dude, I think I have one of your uds shirts | 03:07 |
cjohnston | g'nite | 03:17 |
maco | jcastro_: ok i have Modern Family on on Hulu | 03:58 |
jcastro_ | maco: excellnt | 04:02 |
jcastro_ | you'll know as soon as you see yourself | 04:02 |
maco | jcastro_: well you already told me with an arrow! and i dont play cello, i play bass :P | 04:02 |
jcastro_ | yeah just pretend it's a bass | 04:02 |
* maco is impatiently waiting to get the bass back from Dad's house | 04:04 | |
dpm | good morning all | 07:29 |
dholbach | good morning | 07:32 |
kim0 | Morning all | 08:16 |
duanedesign | o/ | 08:26 |
czajkowski | Aloha | 09:10 |
jussi | :) | 09:58 |
jussi | Thanks very much for requesting sponsorship to uds-o. ' | 09:58 |
jussi | :D | 09:58 |
popey | Technoviking: why does our loco subdomain of ubuntuforums.org no longer work? | 10:46 |
popey | Technoviking: uk.ubuntuforums.org used to go to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=274 but now it just goes to the forums home page | 10:46 |
czajkowski | *sigh* only 1 woman at this event. Me | 13:58 |
czajkowski | .c | 13:58 |
popey | czajkowski: you? | 14:01 |
czajkowski | yup | 14:12 |
popey | what event is it | 14:29 |
jcastro | BARK BARK HELLO POPEY BARK BARK | 14:30 |
popey | WOOF WOOF! | 14:30 |
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czajkowski | popey: ODF plugfest | 14:37 |
czajkowski | lotta UK politicans tomorrow | 14:38 |
popey | where? | 14:43 |
popey | maidenhead? | 14:44 |
=== dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
* popey tickles dpm | 15:01 | |
dpm | heya popey :) | 15:02 |
popey | dpm: a friend of mine who has developed something and is using launchpad, is asking me translations questions, I am _clueless_ about this. Would it be possible to point him in your direction? | 15:02 |
dpm | popey, sure! | 15:03 |
popey | can i fire an email at you? what email address is best? | 15:03 |
dpm | just give him my e-mail or we can catch up on IRC | 15:03 |
dpm | sure, on PM | 15:04 |
popey | thank you! | 15:04 |
dpm | no worries :) | 15:04 |
jcastro | popey: make the person ask questions! | 15:13 |
jcastro | you know where! | 15:13 |
jcastro | http://askubuntu.com/questions/22587/patches-and-translations/23708#23708 | 15:14 |
jcastro | look at David's wonderful expertise | 15:14 |
* dpm hugs jcastro | 15:18 | |
Technoviking | popey: we have been having dns re-direct issue on the forums since the new hardware went in. I beleive IS know. | 15:49 |
Technoviking | popey: looks like it is working for me now | 15:49 |
popey | indeed, it is for me now too | 15:52 |
komputes | jcastro: starting to get the hang of askubuntu | 16:18 |
jcastro | nice! | 16:19 |
komputes | jcastro: do you guys yse any programs to interface with the side (gwibber/rss feeds) or do you just refresh the page and go through questions | 16:19 |
jcastro | there's a branch/bug for supporting the API | 16:20 |
komputes | jcastro: I would say that idea I brought to the table ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/alaide ) is really well implemented in the stackexchange model, better than I could have ever imagined. I'm excited to see what apps will take advantage of the upcoming API. | 16:22 |
jcastro | yeah I remember that | 16:23 |
komputes | Any chance of having points ion stackexchange reflect as karma in LP, or is that a big no-no | 16:23 |
czajkowski | popey: http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/ | 16:50 |
czajkowski | komputes: karam isn't that big a deal | 16:51 |
czajkowski | komputes: people put too much focus at times on it | 16:51 |
komputes | czajkowski: I agree, it's the little things like karma and badges and rep that make people feel involved. it's not too important. | 16:51 |
popey | yeah, its what got me first involved | 16:55 |
popey | for a while I had more karma than anyone, just for answering questions on launchpad | 16:55 |
popey | then I stopped being a bum, and got a job ;) | 16:55 |
Technoviking | popey: have you heard if other loco forums are not resolving? | 17:00 |
popey | I have not. | 17:00 |
popey | I only know about ours because we link to it on the podcast site | 17:00 |
popey | and someone complained ;) | 17:00 |
AlanBell | popey: did you get a response from IS about the wiki? | 17:10 |
popey | i forwarded you a mail about i | 17:10 |
popey | *it | 17:10 |
AlanBell | I have the one you sent, but I am failing to find a response | 17:15 |
popey | hmm, did I not? | 17:16 |
dholbach | alright my friends, I'll go and meet soren (and family) for dinner now | 17:16 |
popey | o/ dholbach | 17:16 |
dholbach | so have a great evening and see you all tomorrow | 17:16 |
popey | ah, my bad | 17:16 |
popey | AlanBell: yhm | 17:17 |
Technoviking | dholbach: later | 17:20 |
dholbach | bye Technoviking | 17:21 |
popey | dpm: feel free to miss me out of any replies to neil ;) | 17:37 |
dpm | popey, ok, no worries :) | 17:37 |
jcastro | cjohnston: we're on in 3? | 17:57 |
komputes | <jcastro> there's a branch/bug for supporting the AP <- Do you know the URL for this? | 17:57 |
cjohnston | yes | 17:58 |
jcastro | komputes: in ~gwibber somewhere | 17:58 |
jcastro | komputes: sorry quite slammed right now | 17:58 |
komputes | np will look gwibber lp bugs | 17:58 |
jcastro | it's a branch from kenvandine | 17:59 |
jcastro | look in code.lp | 17:59 |
komputes | ahhhh | 17:59 |
jono | cjohnston, hey, give me a min | 18:00 |
jono | wrapping something | 18:00 |
cjohnston | yup | 18:00 |
cjohnston | Reference for jono / jcastro bug 672113 bug 709395 | 18:01 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 672113 in ubuntu-website "uds.ubuntu.com uses too bright orange" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672113 | 18:01 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 709395 in ubuntu-website "uds.ubuntu.com needs the use the Ubuntu font" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709395 | 18:01 |
cjohnston | bug 672113 jcastro | 18:04 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 672113 in ubuntu-website "uds.ubuntu.com uses too bright orange" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672113 | 18:04 |
cjohnston | sorry.. bug 716726 | 18:05 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 716726 in ubuntu-website "right navigation arrow on uds.ubuntu.com slideshow cut off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716726 | 18:05 |
cjohnston | jcastro, jono thanks :-) | 18:06 |
jcastro | wooo | 18:07 |
jcastro | nice and quick, just the way I like it! | 18:07 |
jcastro | I like how you roll | 18:07 |
cjohnston | :-) | 18:09 |
jono | thanks cjohnston | 18:10 |
cjohnston | yup | 18:10 |
doctormo | jono: I'd call that latest comment to your blog offensive. Have you seen it? | 20:22 |
jono | doctormo, deleted | 20:24 |
mhall119 | it's funny how people will release code under a permissive license, then complain when people use the code accordingly | 21:04 |
paultag | mhall119: well, personally, I bitch when stuff I write is jacked verbatim and re-licensed as someone else's work. If you don't maintain copyright, it's illigal | 21:05 |
paultag | mhall119: that's the only situation I whine in. What's this jabroni saying? | 21:05 |
mhall119 | paultag: reading some of the comments on jono's blog | 21:06 |
paultag | (and I'm talking about plagiarism here, not decent changes) | 21:06 |
paultag | mhall119: link? | 21:06 |
mhall119 | the "OMG! You modified GPL software for your own benefit? How dare you!" | 21:06 |
mhall119 | http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/24/banshee-in-natty-to-ship-multiple-stores-and-contribute-to-gnome-foundation/ | 21:06 |
mhall119 | no doubt the same people also complained that Ubuntu One's server-side component wasn't released under a license that would allow others to make money off it | 21:07 |
paultag | mhall119: I don't see it | 21:07 |
paultag | <-- I whined about that | 21:07 |
paultag | and Launchpad | 21:07 |
paultag | Launchpad sucked ass, and it was nonfree for a while. Now it's free, but still meh | 21:08 |
paultag | at least there's progress | 21:08 |
mhall119 | right, but it doesn't make sense to complain about Ubuntu locking in profit for themselves, then complaining when Banshee's profit lock-in is changed | 21:09 |
paultag | mhall119: ubuntu is not locking in profit | 21:09 |
paultag | mhall119: canonical is | 21:09 |
mhall119 | right | 21:09 |
* mhall119 forgets to make the distinction sometimes | 21:09 | |
paultag | I don't really care too much about that. I just hate it when it messes with my life as an end user | 21:10 |
paultag | such as changing the default search provider *cough* | 21:10 |
mhall119 | the point is, either you support software being open to modification for the benefit of the person doing the modification, or you don't | 21:10 |
paultag | mhall119: yeah, but that's not the issue | 21:10 |
mhall119 | with which? | 21:10 |
mhall119 | the Banshee decision? | 21:10 |
paultag | mhall119: the issue is saying "Canonical (a corperation, out to make money) is preventing the authors of this software (people on their own) from getting paid" | 21:11 |
paultag | mhall119: it's not if they have a right to do that, because they clearly do, it's a moral argument | 21:11 |
mhall119 | "preventing" is a bit of a stretch there | 21:11 |
paultag | mhall119: you see that argument, though, right? | 21:11 |
mhall119 | right, I see it | 21:11 |
paultag | mhall119: OK, cool. All set. | 21:11 |
mhall119 | I just don't see how it meshes with the criticism over closed-source U1 | 21:12 |
paultag | it does not compare -- U1 authors are getting paid by the cash generated from U1 | 21:12 |
mhall119 | or, really, with promoting the virtues of the license Banshee is released under | 21:12 |
mhall119 | right, but the complaints I heard was that Canonical would not open-source it so that people could modify it and run it themselves, thus making money off the original author's code | 21:13 |
paultag | mhall119: of ubuntu one? | 21:14 |
mhall119 | or at least "preventing the authors of the software from getting paid" | 21:14 |
mhall119 | paultag: yes | 21:14 |
paultag | mhall119: no, canonical for some stupid reason wants to lock people into paying for the sync service | 21:14 |
paultag | mhall119: so I can't set up my own cloud and grant myself contact sync rights | 21:15 |
paultag | mhall119: banshee is a totally different argument | 21:15 |
paultag | and both are morally questionable | 21:15 |
mhall119 | I don't see how | 21:15 |
paultag | but I guess corperations don't need to be moral | 21:15 |
mhall119 | other than that banshee is released under a license that makes it legal | 21:15 |
paultag | mhall119: it's not about legality | 21:15 |
mhall119 | it's not even a question of morality, it's a question of consistency | 21:16 |
paultag | 21:11 < paultag> mhall119: it's not if they have a right to do that, because they clearly do, it's a moral argument | 21:16 |
mhall119 | so, is it "moral" to use someone else's code, which they are getting money from, and changing how it is used so that they no longer recieve money from it? | 21:16 |
paultag | mhall119: no, clearly. | 21:17 |
mhall119 | so it would not be moral, even if U1 server was open source, to host it on your own server | 21:17 |
paultag | mhall119: I don't care about U1 | 21:17 |
paultag | mhall119: that was never what I'm arguing | 21:17 |
mhall119 | but it's what I was arguing | 21:17 |
paultag | mhall119: OK, I'll stipulate -- it would be legal | 21:17 |
paultag | mhall119: and moral | 21:17 |
mhall119 | if you're not arguing it....then we're not really arguing at all | 21:17 |
paultag | mhall119: *but*, you're not paying for the code, you're paying for bandwidth | 21:18 |
paultag | mhall119: with banshee, there's no additional cost of the service to canonical, or the authors | 21:18 |
paultag | mhall119: as such, it becomes an issue of trying to squeeze money out | 21:18 |
mhall119 | well, there's maintenance | 21:18 |
mhall119 | and distribution | 21:18 |
mhall119 | integration | 21:18 |
mhall119 | clearly it cost Canonical some money to make Banshee the default | 21:19 |
paultag | mhall119: yes, but it cost the developers more to create it | 21:19 |
paultag | god forbid :) | 21:19 |
paultag | mhall119: I really don't care about this argument, I'm actually switching to Debian so I can avoid some of this | 21:20 |
paultag | there's way too much drama nowadays | 21:20 |
paultag | burning me out like a mo'fo | 21:20 |
popey | o_O | 21:20 |
mhall119 | good luck, but I bet you an iceweasal that you won't escape the drama ;) | 21:20 |
paultag | mhall119: nah, I'm using chrome | 21:20 |
* popey wonders what the revenue split is for chrome :) | 21:21 | |
mhall119 | the point remains, debian's been burned by these things too | 21:21 |
paultag | popey: I'm not ditching Ubuntu as a community, just as my OS :) | 21:21 |
popey | still.. | 21:21 |
paultag | mhall119: yes, but cash is never the motive | 21:21 |
mhall119 | true | 21:21 |
paultag | mhall119: whereas canonical will ignore me ( as a community hacker ) to get some cash flow | 21:21 |
paultag | so yeah | 21:22 |
paultag | Debian it is | 21:22 |
mhall119 | okay, so the main problem for you is that the drama involves money? | 21:22 |
paultag | mhall119: nope. I don't give two shits about money | 21:22 |
mhall119 | then why specify that Canonical/Ubuntu drama is different because cash is involved? | 21:23 |
paultag | mhall119: it's the fact that I (as an ubuntu contributor, and not canonical) am a second-class contributor -- the work that I decide to do is secondary to the folks at Canonical it's self | 21:23 |
paultag | and I don't want to work for Canonical, so I'll never be able to have a real, meaningful contirbution to Ubuntu | 21:24 |
paultag | Hell, with Debian they give *@debian.org access to servers | 21:24 |
paultag | if you want to run a script against all the packages, that's fine. Here we have to email someone at canonical, ask them if they can do it, then get a "no" back in 4 weeks | 21:25 |
* czajkowski hugs jono | 21:25 | |
mhall119 | paultag: are people without *@debian.org second-class contributors? | 21:26 |
paultag | mhall119: clearly, but then that creates a new class below @ubuntu.com, which is third class | 21:26 |
paultag | mhall119: and there's no constraint on how many debian folks are around, there is a constraint on how many canonical folks are around | 21:26 |
mhall119 | so I guess I just don't see where this difference in degrees becomes a difference in kind | 21:26 |
paultag | mhall119: then you'll be happy here | 21:27 |
czajkowski | paultag: are you being cranky | 21:27 |
mhall119 | well I certainly hope so | 21:27 |
paultag | czajkowski: nah | 21:27 |
czajkowski | or your usual charming self | 21:27 |
mhall119 | he's always charming | 21:27 |
czajkowski | indeed | 21:27 |
* jono hugs czajkowski | 21:27 | |
mhall119 | anyway, time for me to run, thanks for the discussion paultag | 21:28 |
czajkowski | jono: there are some amount of toss pots on twitter this evenig | 21:28 |
paultag | mhall119: aye, cheers | 21:28 |
* czajkowski tickles paultag | 21:28 | |
* paultag hugs czajkowski | 21:28 | |
jono | czajkowski, it is what it is :-) | 21:28 |
jcastro | <paultag> and I don't want to work for Canonical, so I'll never be able to have a real, meaningful contirbution to Ubuntu | 21:29 |
jcastro | paultag: that's kind of not true. :( | 21:29 |
czajkowski | jono: indeed. | 21:29 |
czajkowski | still sucky and childish of some folks though | 21:29 |
paultag | jcastro: what if I needed to run something on one of the servers with packages extracted on it? I can't ssh into it because I'm not canonical I.S. | 21:30 |
czajkowski | paultag: oi I take offence at that, I don't develop but you can be damn sure I contribute in a meaningful ranting entertaining way mister | 21:30 |
jcastro | paultag: I don't get your example | 21:30 |
jcastro | does people.u.c have ssh access? | 21:30 |
paultag | jcastro: for example, the reason why we're switching to DEP5 headers is to parse copyrights | 21:31 |
czajkowski | paultag: not even caonical staff can do that unless they are IS. so daft reason. | 21:31 |
paultag | jcastro: if I wanted to take a look at which packages have what, and run statistics on it, I'd have to be local and run a python / perl script to parse them | 21:31 |
paultag | jcastro: either I can download the whole archive ( which sucks for everyone ), or I run it on the machine it's self | 21:31 |
paultag | jcastro: if I was *@debian.org, I could ssh in and run it, I can't do that with ubuntu :( | 21:31 |
jcastro | so you needed an ssh account on a machine with the ubuntu archive | 21:32 |
jcastro | we can do that anywhere | 21:32 |
paultag | jcastro: well I don't *need* it, it was an example -- just sort of talking about the mentality differences between debian and ubuntu | 21:32 |
jcastro | well, I don't have any more shell access to archive machines than you do | 21:33 |
paultag | jcastro: I know that, and that's part of the bummer | 21:33 |
jcastro | ok so I just don't get how not being able to ssh into an archive machine = never be able to have a real contribution to ubuntu | 21:34 |
paultag | jcastro: it feels like at times that some of the work is stuck in a box | 21:35 |
paultag | jcastro: rather then having ubuntu membership mean you are really part of the whole project | 21:35 |
paultag | I | 21:35 |
paultag | I'm not trying to be an ungrateful toolbag | 21:35 |
jcastro | so basically you WANT to be a sysadmin | 21:36 |
czajkowski | paultag: bring that up to the CC | 21:36 |
paultag | jcastro: hell no | 21:36 |
czajkowski | paultag: see what else could be changed | 21:36 |
jcastro | man, I'd rather never see a shell again. :p | 21:36 |
paultag | I'm really not whining about this and talking about how much Ubuntu sucks, because I clearly care about it, and have cared for years | 21:36 |
jcastro | PSA, 9 minutes: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-hd-tv | 21:36 |
paultag | I mean, I wear my @ubuntu proudly, it's just something that ticked me off the other day for no real reason | 21:37 |
paultag | hell, if I was a DD, I think i'd still use @ubuntu for stuff | 21:38 |
cjohnston | thanks newz2000 jcastro too much cloud cover :-( the wife and kids got to see it where they were | 22:08 |
jcastro | dang | 22:08 |
cjohnston | uggh... jcastro Thats for you anyway.. we just talked about going to the coast for the last one | 22:08 |
cjohnston | so the kids can see it | 22:09 |
cjohnston | since we have a condo on the beach by daytona | 22:09 |
* popey hugs jono | 22:10 | |
* jono hugs popey :-) | 22:13 | |
Technoviking | get a room :) | 22:27 |
mhall119 | paultag: do motus have the access you're talking about? | 23:07 |
paultag | mhall119: no | 23:07 |
mhall119 | so basically the problem is that Ubuntu's archives are on Canonical's servers, not community-owned servers | 23:07 |
paultag | mhall119: it's not that that's a problem | 23:08 |
mhall119 | but that's the barrier | 23:08 |
paultag | mhall119: it's just a different vibe then a community run project | 23:08 |
mhall119 | it also means that the Ubuntu community doesn't need to raise funds for maintenance | 23:08 |
paultag | mhall119: it's the idea that it's OK to shut out the community from some things | 23:08 |
AlanBell | canonical is a subset of community, not external to it | 23:09 |
AlanBell | in theory | 23:09 |
paultag | AlanBell: +1 | 23:09 |
AlanBell | so a bit of "the community" has shell access to the servers | 23:10 |
AlanBell | just happens to be the bit that isn't you | 23:10 |
paultag | AlanBell: but in practice, if someone @canonical wants a change, if the whole ubuntu community votes against it, they will still do it | 23:10 |
paultag | AlanBell: aye, I see your point | 23:10 |
AlanBell | same for the core Debian team that have shell access | 23:10 |
paultag | AlanBell: the whole of debian has access to servers via ldap, I thought | 23:11 |
AlanBell | I have no idea really | 23:11 |
paultag | AlanBell: there is a team that is in charge of admin, but I could have sworn @debian auth'd you | 23:11 |
paultag | in case you needed something | 23:11 |
AlanBell | I think you can build stuff | 23:12 |
AlanBell | but we have PPA access | 23:12 |
paultag | AlanBell: yeah, but then you have to actually upload it, not just ssh into the arm build box to test a quick build before an upload | 23:12 |
AlanBell | I know Debian have arm and mips servers that can do builds for people | 23:12 |
paultag | AlanBell: yeah, they have most all arches | 23:12 |
paultag | I'm really not that vested in "fighting the man", and I really don't hate Ubuntu or Canonical | 23:13 |
paultag | I like them just fine, actually | 23:13 |
paultag | just stressed and whining, I think. Not really sure what I'm doing :) | 23:14 |
* AlanBell thinks somebody needs a hug | 23:25 | |
paultag | yeah, I think so | 23:26 |
paultag | I've been unusually crabby lately | 23:26 |
* pleia2 hugs paultag | 23:28 | |
* paultag hugs pleia2 | 23:29 | |
doctormo | popey, pleia2: Got rejected by kickstarter. Oh well. | 23:51 |
popey | why? | 23:51 |
popey | try http://www.indiegogo.com/ instead... Linux Outlaws used that to fund Dan to FOSDEM. http://www.indiegogo.com/lo-fosdem2011 | 23:52 |
doctormo | popey: "It's not right for their platform" | 23:54 |
popey | fair enough | 23:57 |
popey | at least you can see indiegogo have done this before | 23:57 |
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