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| NCommander | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| NCommander | so who's here? | 15:01 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224 | 15:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224 | 15:01 |
| * ogra only half, being a) at the emdebian sprint and b) busy getting all stuff uploaded before FF | 15:01 | |
| * rsalveti waves | 15:01 | |
| janimo | hi | 15:01 |
| NCommander | hi | 15:02 |
| * GrueMaster is presently being caffienated. | 15:03 | |
| NCommander | we have no action items from last week | 15:03 |
| NCommander | [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:03 |
| NCommander | [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:03 |
| ogra | NCommander, still five on your plate | 15:04 |
| * davidm waves | 15:04 | |
| ogra | NCommander, do you plan to finish userland subarch detection ? | 15:05 |
| NCommander | On my work items, based off discussion with persia and ogra, my spec needs a rethink with its design, so I'll be redoing it, and shelving it for next cycle. A good portion (the archdetect in userland) stuff did get implemented and will be used for other sanity checks | 15:05 |
| ogra | NCommander, note that flash-kernel was redesigned during the emdebian sprint (lacks implementation or specing yet) | 15:06 |
| ogra | and that should do a lot of the arch detection bits in a re-usable way in the future | 15:06 |
| NCommander | ogra: then we should probably compare notes and see how the new f-k compares to what I had in mind and see if we can simply get this implemented in Debian | 15:06 |
| ogra | (proper split of HW detection and functions will haoppen etc) | 15:06 |
| NCommander | anything else to bring up? | 15:07 |
| ogra | NCommander, well, debian will implement it and we will just get it | 15:07 |
| ogra | janimo, your last three WI are on track ? | 15:07 |
| ogra | same question to GrueMaster and rsalveti | 15:07 |
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| janimo | ogra, yes. Pending review, as the CD building is largely out of my hand | 15:07 |
| janimo | so I need feedback before proceeding | 15:07 |
| ogra | right, NCommander did you look already ? | 15:07 |
| rsalveti | ogra: once done with this task for the set-up-box will jump at the edid | 15:07 |
| * ogra gave feedback already | 15:08 | |
| rsalveti | and that should be today or tomorrow, so seems fine | 15:08 |
| GrueMaster | I just converted the Remote Control Solutions to DONE. | 15:08 |
| janimo | rsalveti, anythning I can do for rootstock/versatile? | 15:08 |
| ogra | awesome | 15:08 |
| NCommander | ogra: I didn't. | 15:08 |
| GrueMaster | Need the minimal images to go forward on the other workitems, but they will only take an hour once I have an image. | 15:08 |
| ogra | NCommander, my only concern was the naming (flavour/type mixup) if thats fixed it should be fine, but it can well be that i missed something | 15:08 |
| * NCommander was tied up mostly with patch pilot stuff yesterday | 15:08 | |
| rsalveti | janimo: that should be fine, was planing to test it today, but in case I'm unable to do so will ping you | 15:08 |
| rsalveti | thanks for asking | 15:09 |
| rsalveti | spent quite some time fighting with ti packages and sgx this past week | 15:09 |
| ogra | NCommander, please review janimo's changes and merge if you think they suit | 15:09 |
| ogra | NCommander, though presintalled shouldnt show up in the flavour name | 15:09 |
| janimo | ogra, NCommander so Colin should not be involved at all in this, being preinstalled images? | 15:09 |
| ogra | NCommander, and move/postpone/close your WIs | 15:10 |
| NCommander | [action] NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign | 15:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign | 15:10 |
| ogra | janimo, well, would be good to have him have a last look | 15:10 |
| janimo | my done WIs do not show up because of some weird parsing error on the whiteboard | 15:10 |
| ogra | janimo, but keep his review for post FF, he is very busy atm | 15:10 |
| janimo | sure, that's why I did not ping him (or anyone else for that matter) | 15:11 |
| ogra | right | 15:11 |
| ogra | imho it looks good | 15:11 |
| ogra | (apart from the name) | 15:11 |
| janimo | I am fine with any naming | 15:11 |
| ogra | just drop the preinstalled from it | 15:11 |
| janimo | ok | 15:11 |
| * ogra cant remember even remotely what that last WI he has open was about | 15:12 | |
| NCommander | [action] NCommandet to review janimo's work | 15:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommandet to review janimo's work | 15:12 |
| ogra | the description is way to generic | 15:13 |
| ogra | and persia isnt here | 15:13 |
| ogra | rsalveti, btw s/set-up-box/settop-box/ i think :) | 15:13 |
| rsalveti | true :-) | 15:13 |
| NCommander | anyway, can I move on? | 15:14 |
| * ogra thinks so | 15:14 | |
| NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D Status | 15:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D Status | 15:14 |
| ogra | just uploaded | 15:14 |
| davidm | ogra, nice | 15:14 |
| NCommander | yay | 15:14 |
| rsalveti | ogra: did it build this time? | 15:15 |
| ogra | no guarantees *anything* will work :) | 15:15 |
| ogra | built on all arches though | 15:15 |
| rsalveti | that's fine :-) | 15:15 |
| ogra | NCommander, in an offtopic comment, i also uploaded florence (with minor changes) | 15:15 |
| ogra | so we dont miss FF | 15:15 |
| ScottK | Any progress on Qt with gcc 4.5? | 15:16 |
| NCommander | ogra: saw that, persia was handling that though | 15:16 |
| ogra | nothing else to report on unity-2d atm ... i expect many many bugs to roll in | 15:16 |
| janimo | ScottK, not that I know of | 15:16 |
| ogra | NCommander, well, FF is in a few hours | 15:16 |
| NCommander | unfortunately, I didn't get a response to my pings before my VPS was rebooted last night | 15:16 |
| janimo | there's a gcc patch not sure when it lands in natty | 15:16 |
| ogra | he is free to override my upload with a higher version | 15:16 |
| NCommander | ogra: I'm aware, but I don't believe the package will pass NEW in its current state | 15:16 |
| ogra | ScottK, there was a gcc upload recently | 15:16 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Would it be OK to have an action to someone to work with doko on getting the gcc patch in? | 15:16 |
| ogra | no idea if that includes the fix | 15:17 |
| ScottK | OK. | 15:17 |
| doko_ | janimo: which one? | 15:17 |
| ogra | doko_, the one that makes QT not explode :) | 15:17 |
| janimo | doko_, gcc 4.5 miscompiled Qt (volatile int) | 15:17 |
| * ogra doesnt have the bug number handy atm | 15:17 | |
| ogra | NCommander, we'll see, it builds and i fixed the worst bits | 15:17 |
| doko_ | bug number would be nice ;-p | 15:17 |
| * janimo does not eiother but googling for it | 15:18 | |
| janimo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689 | 15:18 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 705689 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,Confirmed] | 15:18 |
| janimo | googling for unity crashes armel gives top hit always | 15:18 |
| ogra | NCommander, most important for me was that its in before FF, we can still adjust in coordination with the archive admins | 15:18 |
| * NCommander bows down to janimo's Google skills | 15:18 | |
| ogra | doko_, a fix should already be in the VCS, just not uploaded afaik | 15:18 |
| * NCommander moves on | 15:20 | |
| ogra | ++ | 15:20 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | we just got a kernel from sebjan yesterday | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | 2.6.38-rc5 based | 15:20 |
| janimo | omap4 ? | 15:20 |
| ogra | with DVI ? | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | with wlan, dvi and syslink/tiler | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | but was basically for testing, as they are merging the audio patches | 15:21 |
| ogra | well | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | so we're expecting a better tree in 2, 3 days, with additional audio support | 15:21 |
| GrueMaster | I'll add it to my todo for testing today. | 15:21 |
| ogra | would be good if someone could test it | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | that we can probably merge at least at the ti-omap4-dev | 15:21 |
| ogra | snap :) | 15:21 |
| ogra | if it works (even roughly) we should drop .35 and switch over | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | https://github.com/sebjan/linux-2.6 | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | tag int-2.6.38-iv1 | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | ogra: yup | 15:22 |
| ogra | preferably before A3 | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | as soon he send the better tree, with audio, cooloney will merge it | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | and after testing we can see if we can directly switch it over 35 | 15:23 |
| rsalveti | ogra: should be I believe | 15:23 |
| ogra | ++ | 15:23 |
| rsalveti | that's all I have | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | they just started the hdmi driver | 15:24 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | but that will take some time to be in a good shape | 15:24 |
| NCommander | bah | 15:24 |
| * ogra wonders what happened to the opther kernels | 15:24 | |
| ogra | the ones that were supposed to come from the community for community images | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | persia was looking at this | 15:25 |
| ogra | ScottK, werent you involved in either efika or n900 ? | 15:25 |
| ogra | rsalveti, yeah, and he isnt here | 15:25 |
| rsalveti | at least for imx | 15:25 |
| ogra | i was expecting to see at least some upload before FF | 15:25 |
| GrueMaster | I have spent 90% of my time the last few days retesting old bugs and adding comments to them for Linaro. A lot of the bugs require a lot of work to install & test, so most of my time has had to focus on that. | 15:25 |
| ogra | but there is no trace of universe kernels | 15:25 |
| rsalveti | don't think it'll happen for today | 15:25 |
| ogra | yeah, looks like | 15:26 |
| GrueMaster | Since images have been broken for almost 2 weeks, it hasn't been a problem. | 15:26 |
| ScottK | ogra: I have an efika. I've been involved in n900. The n900 kernel is in the archive, but we need LP changes before we can build images. | 15:26 |
| ogra | ah | 15:26 |
| ogra | why havent i see the n900 kernel :) | 15:26 |
| ogra | great | 15:26 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, images should build from tomorrow on again | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | Yea, yea. I've heard that before. :P | 15:27 |
| ogra | well, it currently seems as if janimo's patch got lost | 15:27 |
| ogra | janimo, can you come to #ayatana ? and help didrocks | 15:28 |
| GrueMaster | I did manage to hack in the new jasper and boot with it on the 20110216 image. Didn't see any glowing issues. | 15:28 |
| ogra | wow | 15:28 |
| janimo | ogra, ok | 15:28 |
| ogra | i guess i'm a lucky guy :) | 15:28 |
| * ogra didnt expect it to work at all | 15:28 | |
| ogra | so that was half of the image topic during QA :) | 15:29 |
| GrueMaster | Well, the next image will tell the full tail. | 15:29 |
| ogra | yeah | 15:29 |
| rsalveti | and if the swap got fine | 15:29 |
| ogra | heh | 15:30 |
| ogra | well, ist your code i copy/pasted :P | 15:30 |
| * ogra will blame rsalveti if it fails :) | 15:30 | |
| NCommander | can I move on? | 15:30 |
| ogra | yes | 15:30 |
| rsalveti | haha :-) | 15:30 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:30 |
| GrueMaster | Uh... | 15:31 |
| ogra | hahaha | 15:31 |
| GrueMaster | Didn't I just go over that? | 15:31 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, go ahead, tell us :P | 15:31 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, we like you, cant have enough of you :P | 15:31 |
| GrueMaster | Pfft. | 15:31 |
| NCommander | bah | 15:31 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:32 |
| NCommander | I lack caffiene | 15:32 |
| GrueMaster | I do have some new bugs I need to file, but they need to wait until the pool settles and I have new images. | 15:32 |
| * ogra hopes everyone participates in slangasek's porting jams nowadays | 15:32 | |
| NCommander | So upstream believes mono to be fixed onARM, fixing the SMP/threading issues, as well as applying a patch to workaround a toolchain bug | 15:32 |
| janimo | cause of kdebindings failure found, fix building. I hope this will unstuck the kde ftbfs queue | 15:32 |
| rsalveti | nice | 15:33 |
| ScottK | janimo: Cool. Let me know how it goes. | 15:33 |
| ogra | wow, well done | 15:33 |
| GrueMaster | Yea for kde. Meh on mono. | 15:33 |
| ogra | dont say meh | 15:33 |
| janimo | NCommander, mono considered fixed for 2.6 too or 2.10? | 15:33 |
| ogra | banshee is essential :) | 15:33 |
| NCommander | janimo: what was the issue with kdebindings? ( I didn't have much successin debugging it) | 15:33 |
| NCommander | janimo: if 2.10 works, I'll backport to 2.6 | 15:33 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, banshee will pay your salary ;) | 15:33 |
| ogra | j/k | 15:34 |
| janimo | NCommander, funny because it seems it was your patch that fixed this in the first place. But was dropped two uploads ago from python-qt4-dev | 15:34 |
| janimo | at least the patch header mentioned you. quite a large qreal/floar patch | 15:34 |
| NCommander | ugh | 15:35 |
| * ogra grins .... qreal... float ... | 15:35 | |
| ogra | yeah yeah | 15:35 |
| ScottK | debfx pushed it back into the dpmt svn so it can get fixed in Debian too. | 15:35 |
| * ogra wont say anything anymore to that matter | 15:35 | |
| GrueMaster | That's the problem. Patch was on the floar. | 15:35 |
| janimo | NCommander, I can understand if your subconcious cleans up everuthing related from your memory after this kind of debugging sprees | 15:36 |
| * NCommander wishes upstream would accept it | 15:36 | |
| ogra | GrueMaster, nope ... other problem, but i wont stir that up again to not have NCommander freak out again | 15:36 |
| * GrueMaster was joking about the typo. | 15:36 | |
| ogra | anyway, i guess we can move | 15:37 |
| NCommander | janimo: what can I say, my mind has effective garbage collection :-) | 15:37 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:37 |
| janimo | NCommander, that is healthy :) | 15:37 |
| ogra | well, half of it was discussed above already | 15:37 |
| NCommander | yeah | 15:37 |
| ogra | jasper changed massively | 15:37 |
| ogra | should display all output on the splash now | 15:37 |
| ogra | and the images should have a splash by default on first boot | 15:38 |
| ogra | swap is created during image build already | 15:38 |
| ogra | and jasper only adds the fstab line | 15:38 |
| janimo | ogra, any reason for splash only on first boot? | 15:38 |
| ogra | janimo, splash all the time | 15:38 |
| rsalveti | since the first boot | 15:38 |
| ogra | not "only on first boot" | 15:38 |
| rsalveti | that's good for our users :-) | 15:38 |
| ogra | we didnt have it before | 15:38 |
| janimo | ah ok. I saw comments in debian-cd source TODO (pass splash which ATM does not work with usplash or something) | 15:39 |
| ogra | sinc ejasper didnt talk to plymouth | 15:39 |
| ogra | usplash is long dead | 15:39 |
| janimo | right, but some boot params are put in bootscr.ini there | 15:39 |
| ogra | i added quiet and splash to the images cmdline now | 15:39 |
| ogra | if you dont see a splash on the new images, please tell me | 15:39 |
| ogra | i dont expect everything to work smooth yet | 15:40 |
| ogra | but it should work "theoretically" | 15:40 |
| ogra | in other news i dont know how the userspace will behave | 15:40 |
| janimo | ogra, I use headless as I don;t do any gui work atm, was just curious as I rmember seeing that splash comment these days, and now you mentioning it in the context of anothet package | 15:40 |
| ogra | new unity-2d isnt tested at all yet | 15:40 |
| * janimo tested u-2d on x86 a while ago. Swicthed back after failing to manage to use it | 15:41 | |
| ogra | janimo, plymouth will bail out automatically if no proper console is available | 15:41 |
| ogra | so it shouldnt affect serial boots | 15:41 |
| ogra | actually it will bail out as soon as *one of the console= args* points to a serial tty | 15:42 |
| GrueMaster | Has anyone looked at plymouth to see if it can allow serial console logging and still function? | 15:42 |
| ogra | it should switch off the splash | 15:42 |
| GrueMaster | Would be nice to have both. | 15:42 |
| ogra | not sure if the textmode works | 15:42 |
| ogra | you cant | 15:42 |
| ogra | by design | 15:42 |
| ogra | if it detects console=ttyS* it will turn off the splash | 15:43 |
| ogra | and thats wnated upstream | 15:43 |
| GrueMaster | Hmm. | 15:43 |
| * ogra heavily disagrees but cant convince the, | 15:43 | |
| ogra | *them | 15:43 |
| ogra | anyway, so much about images | 15:43 |
| ogra | will be shaky for the next days | 15:44 |
| rsalveti | well, want console, disable fancy splash | 15:44 |
| ogra | well :) | 15:44 |
| NCommander | can I move on? | 15:45 |
| ogra | yep | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | you always can | 15:45 |
| GrueMaster | For test purposes it would be nice to have both. Serial console should be an option for behind the scenes debugging and monitoring. | 15:45 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, tell that to upstream | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 15:45 |
| NCommander | topic] AOB | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | ops | 15:45 |
| * ogra wont be available tomorrow ... flying back from cambridge | 15:46 | |
| ogra | rsalveti will bug you guys with release status stuff :) | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | weee :-) | 15:46 |
| ogra | since he has taken over the task | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | ogra: will you join the team meeting today? | 15:46 |
| ogra | and TI will hopefully miss me on the call :) | 15:46 |
| ogra | i'll try to, we're going out at that time i think | 15:47 |
| ogra | if i find a quiet corner i'll try to dial in | 15:47 |
| rsalveti | ok, np | 15:47 |
| rsalveti | anyone else? | 15:47 |
| rsalveti | with AOB | 15:47 |
| GrueMaster | Can we have the release meeting wiki a day before the meeting? Reviewing & changing it 10 minutes before is a PITA. | 15:47 |
| GrueMaster | (same for this meeting wiki). | 15:47 |
| ogra | it should exist before the mail goes out, no ? | 15:47 |
| ogra | oh, release meeting you mean | 15:48 |
| ogra | no | 15:48 |
| ogra | i a) wont manage that timely and b) it wouldnt be recent | 15:48 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 15:48 |
| ogra | the release meeting is at the end of the european workday | 15:48 |
| rsalveti | it's good the way it's now | 15:48 |
| ogra | so we would miss everything that was acvhieved that day | 15:48 |
| rsalveti | we get a lot done by thursday and friday morning | 15:48 |
| ogra | right | 15:48 |
| GrueMaster | Well, don't expect me to give detailed updates before 8am PST (1600 UTC). | 15:49 |
| ogra | nobody does | 15:49 |
| rsalveti | GrueMaster: that's fine | 15:49 |
| ogra | either rsalveti or me do the details, you just need to cross check | 15:49 |
| GrueMaster | Coherent updates are 2 hours later. :P | 15:49 |
| ogra | half an eye with a drip of caffeine should suffice | 15:49 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 15:50 |
| ogra | the buglist isnt really used from that page anyway i think | 15:50 |
| ogra | kate uses a LP search for milestones | 15:50 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 15:50 |
| ogra | its just important for the bugs we want to highlight | 15:50 |
| ogra | i.e. the really really serious stuff | 15:51 |
| GrueMaster | BTW: Since we still have time to kill. | 15:51 |
| ogra | will you sing and dance for us ? | 15:51 |
| GrueMaster | I am working on either updating or closing out old bug reports. | 15:51 |
| rsalveti | lol | 15:51 |
| ogra | awesome | 15:51 |
| ogra | you could fix them too while youre at it *g* | 15:52 |
| * ogra hides | 15:52 | |
| GrueMaster | Only yours. :P | 15:52 |
| ogra | only if you dance now | 15:52 |
| NCommander | can I close? | 15:52 |
| * GrueMaster does the truffle shuffle. | 15:52 | |
| ogra | can you take a movie of that NCommander ? | 15:52 |
| janimo | we need to move to videoconferencing instead of IRC | 15:53 |
| ogra | -- | 15:53 |
| NCommander | ugh | 15:53 |
| ogra | then i have to get dressed before meetings | 15:53 |
| * GrueMaster would have to get dressed for that. No like. | 15:53 | |
| * NCommander would have to get out of bed | 15:54 | |
| ogra | (not that i'm sitting naked at the ARM office now, but .... ) | 15:54 |
| NCommander | No thanks | 15:54 |
| janimo | there's no dress code in the ubuntu-arm community | 15:54 |
| GrueMaster | No, but there is in Cambridge UK. | 15:54 |
| * ogra has a beautiful collection of bathrobes | 15:54 | |
| ogra | but i cant wear them here | 15:54 |
| NCommander | ogra: pfft, you could simply be Auther Dent | 15:55 |
| NCommander | just make sure you have a towel | 15:55 |
| ogra | heh | 15:55 |
| GrueMaster | Or Hugh Heffner | 15:55 |
| ogra | not enough girls around me for the latter | 15:55 |
| ogra | though susie probably counts for two | 15:55 |
| GrueMaster | Ouch. | 15:55 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, in a positive way indeed :) | 15:56 |
| ogra | anyway, lets close | 15:56 |
| GrueMaster | heh | 15:56 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:56. | 15:56 |
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| * charlie-tca waves | 18:59 | |
| mr_pouit | \o | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | looks like we are here. | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is charlie-tca. | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:00 |
| micahg | o/ | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | wish I knew how to make that thing give me the correct times | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | The full meeting agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old Business | 19:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Old Business | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Xubuntu marketing plan | 19:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Xubuntu marketing plan | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | knome is working hard on this very topic, and his efforts are very much appreciated | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | We now have a wiki page going, even if the wiki is hard to work with at this time. It is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 19:03 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | Any comments on this subject? | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] previous actions | 19:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: previous actions | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi and mr_pouit will change panel launchers to generic icons | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | This has taken place in Natty, and, to be honest, looks good! | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | I don't seem to have either person here today, so this will be carried forward | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | Action done | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | and the rest, we did not do yet | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Team updates | 19:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team updates | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | Packaging & Development | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: your turn | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | okay | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * More syncs/merges from Debian experimental. | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * Fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin to work with nm-applet and transmission (might be worth adding it by default to the panel, feedback welcome). | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * Fixed xfce4-notes-plugin to allow smooth upgrades (it won't be removed from the panel when upgrading to 4.8). | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * Patched update-manager to be able to restart without gnome-session (Bug #530161, not uploaded yet). | 19:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 530161 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Restart is not supported if not using gnome session manager (affects XFCE & LXDE)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530161 | 19:09 |
| mr_pouit | * micahg packaged and uploaded gmusicbrowser 1.1.6. \o/ | 19:09 |
| mr_pouit | That's all for this week. | 19:09 |
| micahg | well, had some help from quadrispro with gmusicbrowser | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | Hey, that is a lot for this week | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you very much for all your help | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | and, yes, lest's discuss adding Xfce4-indicator-plugin to the panel | 19:11 |
| mr_pouit | yep, I think ochosi spoke with you about that | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | As I understand it, it would use all the good things Ubuntu adds for indicators, and we still keep the systray for what ever does not use the indicators? | 19:12 |
| beardygnome | can someone give a quick overview of the plugin please? | 19:12 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: that's it. | 19:13 |
| beardygnome | thanks charlie-tca | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | The plugin, as I understand it, is similar to the indicator panel in Unity, it contains things like the volume control, easy way to get to mail, and that kind of thing. | 19:14 |
| mr_pouit | several applications we ship by default (pidgin, transmission…) don't show up in the systray anymore | 19:14 |
| mr_pouit | that makes them difficult to use | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | It sits in the panel, next to the notification area, and allows us to more easily manage applications that are running | 19:14 |
| beardygnome | sounds like a no-brainer then | 19:15 |
| beardygnome | i take it this is 4.8 only? | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | this is for natty only | 19:15 |
| mr_pouit | no, xfce4-indicator-plugin can work in 4.6 afaik | 19:15 |
| mr_pouit | but yeah, it's for natty only ;> | 19:15 |
| beardygnome | so i can't try it out on maverick? | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | and, along with this, what about the cpu graph? | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | yes, you can try it on maverick, by installing it your self | 19:16 |
| mr_pouit | and the good thing is that indicator-sound (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu) is able to call xfce4-mixer, and gmusicbrowser will be integrated in this menu also | 19:16 |
| mr_pouit | beardygnome: yes, the plugin is already available, not sure if it works fine (I submitted several patches recently) | 19:17 |
| beardygnome | mr_pouit: is it packaged for maverick, or do i need the source? | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit has done a lot of work on the indicator applet, to get it to work right. | 19:17 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: I think we can remove cpugraph also, as cody and you said a few weeks ago | 19:18 |
| mr_pouit | beardygnome: it is packaged | 19:18 |
| * beardygnome fires up synaptic | 19:18 | |
| charlie-tca | Okay, so we make the change and it becomes "panel + indicators - cpugraph" | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | and if we really hate it, we can reverse it still, right? | 19:19 |
| mr_pouit | okay, I'll do that | 19:20 |
| mr_pouit | yes, of course | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | heh, I haven't seen anything we really hated yet, though | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | I just find the cpu graph disturbing, since it flashes lines up there on my panel | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel | 19:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, mr_pouit | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing | 19:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | a constant battle | 19:22 |
| mr_pouit | then don't do any cpu intensive task, and it won't display bars :P | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | it does! it shows little lines that are hard to see | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I guess I am whining now, huh :-) | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | We have hopes of keeping the bugs squashed down, and just keep working on them. | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | As for testing, the images for natty are all broken today | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | however, we are testing starting tuesday for alpha3! | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | All help is appreciated | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | We gang up in #ubuntu-testing for that | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | any questions for bugs and testing? | 19:24 |
| mr_pouit | I didn't follow closely, but it seems to me that very few ne bugs are reported for xfce 4.8 in natty | 19:24 |
| mr_pouit | (or maybe they are all private by default so I won't get any notification unless I go directly on launchpad…) | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | I have a done a bad job tracking them this cycle. I have to go look | 19:25 |
| mr_pouit | *few new | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | I been hitting them pretty good, and not very many are valid more than a day or two | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | It seems most issues get fixed fast this cycle | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | and the ones that don't are the long term issues already reported | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Website & Marketing | 19:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Website & Marketing | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | Do we have pleia2 or knome? | 19:27 |
| mr_pouit | ok, thanks | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | hey, real quick | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | canonical will be setting up a wordpress test install for us! | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | and vinnl added knome and I to the ~xubuntu-website team so we're all set to put a theme in there once we're ready (canonical will pull from bzr) | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | hopefully that'll happen in the next few days :) | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | Yes! | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | Suggestion from ochosi - it would be great if the first page would show the slideshow that is shown during installation. | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | that would be for the website | 19:30 |
| * pleia2 makes note | 19:30 | |
| charlie-tca | Of course, we need to update it first for Natty, which is not going all that great | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | once we have the demo site up we can experiment with this and other suggestions | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | we also have: ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | I think that got forgot again, though | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | We can carry it forward, too | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | The wordpress change is great, though! | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | yes, very good progress, hooray for canonical sysadmins for their speedy replies! :) | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | Anything else for website and marketing? | 19:32 |
| mr_pouit | (another thing that got forgotten and needs to be carried forward: update the slideshows displayed during the installation ;-) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | that's all I've got | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, pleia2. | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | that is good progress! | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: thanks for the reminder | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Artwork | 19:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Artwork | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | Alpha3 will have everything but the new wallpaper | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi wrote a news article about getting the artwork done. I will be forwarding to someone to publish, pleia2 ? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: sounds good | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | great! | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | He also wants to write another one, about the great features of gmusicbrowser, which is now part of natty | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | That, I think, covers artwork. Any questions/comments? | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Discussion - Remote Desktop Viewer (Vinegrae) | 19:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Discussion - Remote Desktop Viewer (Vinegrae) | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | the question is: Why do include this in the menu? | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | s/do/do we | 19:38 |
| beardygnome | where else would we put it? | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | We wouldn't | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | Do we need it as a default item? | 19:38 |
| beardygnome | we'd drop it as a default app? | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: sec, it looks like i can give ochosi his own account on the drupal install (I suspect wordpress will be an around natty release thing) so he can post himself | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: really? let's do that then | 19:39 |
| beardygnome | i use it quite a lot, but i guess it's a rather niche app | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | I never used it, myself. I did not know it was even usable | 19:40 |
| beardygnome | yeah, works really well | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Is it better then to keep it, or to tell users to install it themselves. | 19:40 |
| beardygnome | if you're in a position where you need a remote desktop viewer, you're probably capable of finding and installing one | 19:41 |
| beardygnome | so i guess making it a default app is a waste of precious cd space | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | We can afford it | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: is "remote desktop viewer" something that we need to remove to free up space? | 19:46 |
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| charlie-tca | I hope we ain t lost the devs again | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | I need them for the next topic | 19:46 |
| mr_pouit | no, we can remove it if we want to, but it's not that big | 19:46 |
| * micahg thought we were tight last time on the amd64 CD | 19:46 | |
| charlie-tca | leave it if someone thinks it is useful | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | hm, maybe we were | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | we still have language packs though | 19:46 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: ah yeah, if we add the indicators, maybe we need to drop something else | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | then we should remove the remote viewer. | 19:46 |
| mr_pouit | (I didn't exactly check the space remaining) | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | heh, we might be oversize again | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | desktop 64 is 683MB | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | the rest got lots of space | 19:48 |
| micahg | well, won't we get some space back by dropping exaile? | 19:48 |
| micahg | gmusicbrowser seems a lot lighter | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | yup, but we used it with gmusicbrowser | 19:48 |
| mr_pouit | yep, it will drop hal & co. | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | so maybe we gain a bit again | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | okay, so if we need to drop it, we do | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | otherwise, we keep remote desktop viewer as a service to the users that do use it | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Discussion - PowerPC and Armel builds for Xubuntu | 19:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Discussion - PowerPC and Armel builds for Xubuntu | 19:49 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: also, with remote desktop viewer, in most cases, people will have internet access, so it's an easy install | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | valid point | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | PowerPC seems kind of dead for us, is it worth building daily images when we are not building the milestones? | 19:50 |
| mr_pouit | and the daily builds are either broken or oversized | 19:51 |
| micahg | well, I think powerpc has a lot of potential for xubuntu | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | We keep it now because if someone decided to pick it up, it would be easier to fix then if it is not built daily. | 19:51 |
| micahg | apple abandoned them | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | potential, but we have no developer for it, and no testing | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | that is a liablility now | 19:52 |
| micahg | oh, hmm, well, I guess until it's fixed, it doesn't make sense to buidl the dailies | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | We can't really tell anyone to use it, the way it is today | 19:52 |
| micahg | that's too bad | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | Let's pick a timeframe, say by the time beta releases, we need someone actively on it or we stop it? Or do we stop now? | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | I have asked in the ppc channels, on the mailing lists, and on ident.ca for help with it, and got no responses | 19:54 |
| Sysi | i think PPC generally lacks testers | 19:55 |
| knome | if someone provides me the hardware... | 19:55 |
| Sysi | for lucid i heard one kubuntu dev saying he's only tester | 19:55 |
| maco | probably harald or scottk | 19:55 |
| maco | oh wait, you mean lucid kubutnu on ppc? | 19:58 |
| knome | yes | 19:58 |
| maco | either nixternal or scottk is the only ppc user in kubuntu devel | 19:58 |
| maco | (one of the ssh's to the other's ppc box, i just forget which direction) | 19:58 |
| Sysi | Tm__T was earlier | 19:58 |
| ScottK | No. It's Tm_T | 19:58 |
| Sysi | (avoiding hilight) | 19:58 |
| ScottK | nixternal has a PPC box I sometimes use for build testing. | 19:58 |
| maco | ScottK: oooh | 19:58 |
| knome | charlie-tca, i need to go now, but just to get it in the logs: i'll get back to the voip-meeting planning before next meeting. we'll also provide the menu logo suggestions with ochosi before the next meeting. | 19:58 |
| knome | ta-ra! o/ | 19:58 |
| knome | -> | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | We had very sporadic testing during the maverick release cycle, and none during natty | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, Knightlust | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | thanks, knome | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | sorry, Knightlust | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | I am thinking of it as a liablility, if we go through this cycle with daily builds, and no testing, at some point, a user is going to try to use it. | 19:59 |
| charlie-tca | We did put out the 10.04.2 images that way already. They seem to have been built, and are available for use. | 20:00 |
| Sysi | if somebody asks for it we could offer it to be tested | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | We also have the question of building armel images for Xubuntu? | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | I don't see it happening at this point, since we have to have committed testers | 20:02 |
| * micahg got the ok to ISO test arm, just need to find out how | 20:02 | |
| charlie-tca | Does that mean they will build a Xubuntu arm ISO, for testing? | 20:02 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: we can, I have the ok to take time to test it | 20:03 |
| beardygnome | i've got to go now, but will leave my client open so i can review the rest later. | 20:03 |
| beardygnome | no votes or anything coming up? | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | thanks, beardygnome | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | no votes, and the only announcement is the testing for alpha3 next week | 20:03 |
| beardygnome | thanks charlie-tca | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: thoughts on stopping the ppc builds? | 20:04 |
| beardygnome | see you guys next week | 20:04 |
| mr_pouit | I don't have such hardware, and I receive everyday some "the daily is broken/oversized" mail :p | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | for the record, I am for stopping that image | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | okay, I will get the minutes out, and if no objections are received, I will stop them next week | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] any other business? | 20:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: any other business? | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | open floor | 20:06 |
| mr_pouit | nothing! :) | 20:07 |
| Sysi | i was AFK earlier, are we not gonna include desktop switcher to panel? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | There being no other business, we will have another meeting in one week, on March 3, 2011 | 20:07 |
| Sysi | it can be confusing if user happens to press keys to switch desktop and nothing happens | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | Sysi: missed that altogether | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | We don't have the desktop switcher in natty? | 20:08 |
| Sysi | i haven't seen it in daily builds | 20:08 |
| Sysi | as default setup | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | I thought it was in the panel, but maybe not | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: did we drop that? | 20:09 |
| mr_pouit | yep, it's not in the current config | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | Can we have it back, or is it a pain to make work now? | 20:09 |
| Sysi | it works great, just isn't in default config | 20:10 |
| charlie-tca | or do we need it because it is an advanced user configuration? | 20:10 |
| Sysi | we have multiple workspaces by default | 20:10 |
| Sysi | *i* think having it is easier | 20:10 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: can we put the switcher back, since we have multiple workspaces already? | 20:10 |
| mr_pouit | indeed, it works fine, so let's affect that to ochosi to work on that ;] | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] put workspace switcher back in the current configuration for natty | 20:11 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: put workspace switcher back in the current configuration for natty | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for bringing that up, Sysi | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | anything else? | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you all for attending this meeting. | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 20:12 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 14:12. | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | That was a very good meeting | 20:14 |
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