[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:01] <NCommander> so who's here?
[15:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224
[15:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224
[15:01]  * ogra only half, being a) at the emdebian sprint and b) busy getting all stuff uploaded before FF
[15:01]  * rsalveti waves
[15:01] <janimo> hi
[15:02] <NCommander> hi
[15:03]  * GrueMaster is presently being caffienated.
[15:03] <NCommander> we have no action items from last week
[15:03] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:03] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html
[15:04] <ogra> NCommander, still five on your plate
[15:04]  * davidm waves
[15:05] <ogra> NCommander, do you plan to finish userland subarch detection ?
[15:05] <NCommander> On my work items, based off discussion with persia and ogra, my spec needs a rethink with its design, so I'll be redoing it, and shelving it for next cycle. A good portion (the archdetect in userland) stuff did get implemented and will be used for other sanity checks
[15:06] <ogra> NCommander, note that flash-kernel was redesigned during the emdebian sprint (lacks implementation or specing yet)
[15:06] <ogra> and that should do a lot of the arch detection bits in a re-usable way in the future
[15:06] <NCommander> ogra: then we should probably compare notes and see how the new f-k compares to what I had in mind and see if we can simply get this implemented in Debian
[15:06] <ogra> (proper split of HW detection and functions will haoppen etc)
[15:07] <NCommander> anything else to bring up?
[15:07] <ogra> NCommander, well, debian will implement it and we will just get it
[15:07] <ogra> janimo, your last three WI are on track ?
[15:07] <ogra> same question to GrueMaster and rsalveti
[15:07] <janimo> ogra, yes. Pending review, as the CD building is largely out of my hand
[15:07] <janimo> so I need feedback before proceeding
[15:07] <ogra> right, NCommander did you look already ?
[15:07] <rsalveti> ogra: once done with this task for the set-up-box will jump at the edid
[15:08]  * ogra gave feedback already 
[15:08] <rsalveti> and that should be today or tomorrow, so seems fine
[15:08] <GrueMaster> I just converted the Remote Control Solutions to DONE.
[15:08] <janimo> rsalveti, anythning I can do for rootstock/versatile?
[15:08] <ogra> awesome
[15:08] <NCommander> ogra: I didn't.
[15:08] <GrueMaster> Need the minimal images to go forward on the other workitems, but they will only take an hour once I have an image.
[15:08] <ogra> NCommander, my only concern was the naming (flavour/type mixup) if thats fixed it should be fine, but it can well be that i missed something
[15:08]  * NCommander was tied up mostly with patch pilot stuff yesterday
[15:08] <rsalveti> janimo: that should be fine, was planing to test it today, but in case I'm unable to do so will ping you
[15:09] <rsalveti> thanks for asking
[15:09] <rsalveti> spent quite some time fighting with ti packages and sgx this past week
[15:09] <ogra> NCommander, please review janimo's changes and merge if you think they suit
[15:09] <ogra> NCommander, though presintalled shouldnt show up in the flavour name
[15:09] <janimo> ogra, NCommander so Colin should not be involved at all in this, being preinstalled images?
[15:10] <ogra> NCommander, and move/postpone/close your WIs
[15:10] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign
[15:10] <ogra> janimo, well, would be good to have him have a last look
[15:10] <janimo> my done WIs do not show up because of some weird parsing error on the whiteboard
[15:10] <ogra> janimo, but keep his review for post FF, he is very busy atm
[15:11] <janimo> sure, that's why I did not ping him (or anyone else for that matter)
[15:11] <ogra> right
[15:11] <ogra> imho it looks good
[15:11] <ogra> (apart from the name)
[15:11] <janimo> I am fine with any naming
[15:11] <ogra> just drop the preinstalled from it
[15:11] <janimo> ok
[15:12]  * ogra cant remember even remotely what that last WI he has open was about
[15:12] <NCommander> [action] NCommandet to review janimo's work
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommandet to review janimo's work
[15:13] <ogra> the description is way to generic
[15:13] <ogra> and persia isnt here
[15:13] <ogra> rsalveti, btw s/set-up-box/settop-box/ i think :)
[15:13] <rsalveti> true :-)
[15:14] <NCommander> anyway, can I move on?
[15:14]  * ogra thinks so
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D Status
[15:14] <ogra> just uploaded
[15:14] <davidm> ogra, nice
[15:14] <NCommander> yay
[15:15] <rsalveti> ogra: did it build this time?
[15:15] <ogra> no guarantees *anything* will work :)
[15:15] <ogra> built on all arches though
[15:15] <rsalveti> that's fine :-)
[15:15] <ogra> NCommander, in an offtopic comment, i also uploaded florence (with minor changes)
[15:15] <ogra> so we dont miss FF
[15:16] <ScottK> Any progress on Qt with gcc 4.5?
[15:16] <NCommander> ogra: saw that, persia was handling that though
[15:16] <ogra> nothing else to report on unity-2d atm ... i expect many many bugs to roll in
[15:16] <janimo> ScottK, not that I know of
[15:16] <ogra> NCommander, well, FF is in a few hours
[15:16] <NCommander> unfortunately, I didn't get a response to my pings before my VPS was rebooted last night
[15:16] <janimo> there's a gcc patch not sure when it lands in natty
[15:16] <ogra> he is free to override my upload with a higher version
[15:16] <NCommander> ogra: I'm aware, but I don't believe the package will pass NEW in its current state
[15:16] <ogra> ScottK, there was a gcc upload recently
[15:16] <ScottK> NCommander: Would it be OK to have an action to someone to work with doko on getting the gcc patch in?
[15:17] <ogra> no idea if that includes the fix
[15:17] <ScottK> OK.
[15:17] <doko_> janimo: which one?
[15:17] <ogra> doko_, the one that makes QT not explode :)
[15:17] <janimo> doko_, gcc 4.5 miscompiled Qt (volatile int)
[15:17]  * ogra doesnt have the bug number handy atm
[15:17] <ogra> NCommander, we'll see, it builds and i fixed the worst bits
[15:17] <doko_> bug number would be nice ;-p
[15:18]  * janimo does not eiother but googling for it
[15:18] <janimo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689
[15:18] <janimo> googling for unity crashes armel gives top hit always
[15:18] <ogra> NCommander, most important for me was that its in before FF, we can still adjust in coordination with the archive admins
[15:18]  * NCommander bows down to janimo's Google skills
[15:18] <ogra> doko_, a fix should already be in the VCS, just not uploaded afaik
[15:20]  * NCommander moves on
[15:20] <ogra> ++
[15:20] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:20] <rsalveti> we just got a kernel from sebjan yesterday
[15:20] <rsalveti> 2.6.38-rc5 based
[15:20] <janimo> omap4 ?
[15:21] <ogra> with DVI ?
[15:21] <rsalveti> with wlan, dvi and syslink/tiler
[15:21] <rsalveti> but was basically for testing, as they are merging the audio patches
[15:21] <ogra> well
[15:21] <rsalveti> so we're expecting a better tree in 2, 3 days, with additional audio support
[15:21] <GrueMaster> I'll add it to my todo for testing  today.
[15:21] <ogra> would be good if someone could test it
[15:21] <rsalveti> that we can probably merge at least at the ti-omap4-dev
[15:21] <ogra> snap :)
[15:22] <ogra> if it works (even roughly) we should drop .35 and switch over
[15:22] <rsalveti> https://github.com/sebjan/linux-2.6
[15:22] <rsalveti> tag int-2.6.38-iv1
[15:22] <rsalveti> ogra: yup
[15:22] <ogra> preferably before A3
[15:22] <rsalveti> as soon he send the better tree, with audio, cooloney will merge it
[15:23] <rsalveti> and after testing we can see if we can directly switch it over 35
[15:23] <rsalveti> ogra: should be I believe
[15:23] <ogra> ++
[15:24] <rsalveti> that's all I have
[15:24] <rsalveti> they just started the hdmi driver
[15:24] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:24] <rsalveti> but that will take some time to be in a good shape
[15:24] <NCommander> bah
[15:24]  * ogra wonders what happened to the opther kernels
[15:24] <ogra> the ones that were supposed to come from the community for community images
[15:25] <rsalveti> persia was looking at this
[15:25] <ogra> ScottK, werent you involved in either efika or n900 ?
[15:25] <ogra> rsalveti, yeah, and he isnt here
[15:25] <rsalveti> at least for imx
[15:25] <ogra> i was expecting to see at least some upload before FF
[15:25] <GrueMaster> I have spent 90% of my time the last few days retesting old bugs and adding comments to them for Linaro.  A lot of the bugs require a lot of work to install & test, so most of my time has had to focus on that.
[15:25] <ogra> but there is no trace of universe kernels
[15:25] <rsalveti> don't think it'll happen for today
[15:26] <ogra> yeah, looks like
[15:26] <GrueMaster> Since images have been broken for almost 2 weeks, it hasn't been a problem.
[15:26] <ScottK> ogra: I have an efika.  I've been involved in n900.  The n900 kernel is in the archive, but we need LP changes before we can build images.
[15:26] <ogra> ah
[15:26] <ogra> why havent i see the n900 kernel :)
[15:26] <ogra> great
[15:27] <ogra> GrueMaster, images should build from tomorrow on again
[15:27] <GrueMaster> Yea, yea.  I've heard that before.  :P
[15:27] <ogra> well, it currently seems as if janimo's patch got lost
[15:28] <ogra> janimo, can you come to #ayatana ? and help didrocks
[15:28] <GrueMaster> I did manage to hack in the new jasper and boot with it on the 20110216 image.  Didn't see any glowing issues.
[15:28] <ogra> wow
[15:28] <janimo> ogra, ok
[15:28] <ogra> i guess i'm a lucky guy :)
[15:28]  * ogra didnt expect it to work at all
[15:29] <ogra> so that was half of the image topic during QA :)
[15:29] <GrueMaster> Well, the next image will tell the full tail.
[15:29] <ogra> yeah
[15:29] <rsalveti> and if the swap got fine
[15:30] <ogra> heh
[15:30] <ogra> well, ist your code i copy/pasted :P
[15:30]  * ogra will blame rsalveti if it fails :)
[15:30] <NCommander> can I move on?
[15:30] <ogra> yes
[15:30] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[15:30] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:31] <GrueMaster> Uh...
[15:31] <ogra> hahaha
[15:31] <GrueMaster> Didn't I just go over that?
[15:31] <ogra> GrueMaster, go ahead, tell us :P
[15:31] <ogra> GrueMaster, we like you, cant have enough of you :P
[15:31] <GrueMaster> Pfft.
[15:31] <NCommander> bah
[15:32] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:32] <NCommander> I lack caffiene
[15:32] <GrueMaster> I do have some new bugs I need to file, but they need to wait until the pool settles and I have new images.
[15:32]  * ogra hopes everyone participates in slangasek's porting jams nowadays
[15:32] <NCommander> So upstream believes mono to be fixed onARM, fixing the SMP/threading issues, as well as  applying a patch to workaround a toolchain bug
[15:32] <janimo> cause of kdebindings failure found, fix building.  I hope this will unstuck the kde ftbfs queue
[15:33] <rsalveti> nice
[15:33] <ScottK> janimo: Cool.  Let me know how it goes.
[15:33] <ogra> wow, well done
[15:33] <GrueMaster> Yea for kde. Meh on mono.
[15:33] <ogra> dont say meh
[15:33] <janimo> NCommander, mono considered fixed for 2.6 too or 2.10?
[15:33] <ogra> banshee is essential :)
[15:33] <NCommander> janimo: what was the issue with kdebindings? ( I didn't have much successin debugging it)
[15:33] <NCommander> janimo: if 2.10 works, I'll backport to 2.6
[15:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, banshee will pay your salary ;)
[15:34] <ogra> j/k
[15:34] <janimo> NCommander, funny because it seems it was your patch that fixed this in the first place. But was dropped two uploads ago from python-qt4-dev
[15:34] <janimo> at least the patch header mentioned you. quite a large qreal/floar patch
[15:35] <NCommander> ugh
[15:35]  * ogra grins .... qreal... float ... 
[15:35] <ogra> yeah yeah
[15:35] <ScottK> debfx pushed it back into the dpmt svn so it can get fixed in Debian too.
[15:35]  * ogra wont say anything anymore to that matter
[15:35] <GrueMaster> That's the problem.  Patch was on the floar.
[15:36] <janimo> NCommander,  I can understand if your subconcious cleans up everuthing related from your memory after this kind of debugging sprees
[15:36]  * NCommander wishes upstream would accept it
[15:36] <ogra> GrueMaster, nope ... other problem, but i wont stir that up again to not have NCommander freak out again
[15:36]  * GrueMaster was joking about the typo.
[15:37] <ogra> anyway, i guess we can move
[15:37] <NCommander> janimo: what can I say, my mind has effective garbage collection :-)
[15:37] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:37] <janimo> NCommander, that is healthy :)
[15:37] <ogra> well, half of it was discussed above already
[15:37] <NCommander> yeah
[15:37] <ogra> jasper changed massively
[15:37] <ogra> should display all output on the splash now
[15:38] <ogra> and the images should have a splash by default on first boot
[15:38] <ogra> swap is created during image build already
[15:38] <ogra> and jasper only adds the fstab line
[15:38] <janimo> ogra, any reason for splash only on first boot?
[15:38] <ogra> janimo, splash all the time
[15:38] <rsalveti> since the first boot
[15:38] <ogra> not "only on first boot"
[15:38] <rsalveti> that's good for our users :-)
[15:38] <ogra> we didnt have it before
[15:39] <janimo> ah ok. I saw comments in debian-cd source TODO (pass splash which ATM does not work with usplash or something)
[15:39] <ogra> sinc ejasper didnt talk to plymouth
[15:39] <ogra> usplash is long dead
[15:39] <janimo> right, but some boot params are put in bootscr.ini there
[15:39] <ogra> i added quiet and splash to the images cmdline now
[15:39] <ogra> if you dont see a splash on the new images, please tell me
[15:40] <ogra> i dont expect everything to work smooth yet
[15:40] <ogra> but it should work "theoretically"
[15:40] <ogra> in other news i dont know how the userspace will behave
[15:40] <janimo> ogra, I use headless as  I don;t do any gui work atm, was just curious as I rmember seeing that splash comment these days, and now you mentioning it in the context of anothet package
[15:40] <ogra> new unity-2d isnt tested at all yet
[15:41]  * janimo tested u-2d on x86 a while ago. Swicthed back after failing to manage to use it
[15:41] <ogra> janimo, plymouth will bail out automatically if no proper console is available
[15:41] <ogra> so it shouldnt affect serial boots
[15:42] <ogra> actually it will bail out as soon as *one of the console= args* points to a serial tty
[15:42] <GrueMaster> Has anyone looked at plymouth to see if it can allow serial console logging and still function?
[15:42] <ogra> it should switch off the splash
[15:42] <GrueMaster> Would be nice to have both.
[15:42] <ogra> not sure if the textmode works
[15:42] <ogra> you cant
[15:42] <ogra> by design
[15:43] <ogra> if it detects console=ttyS* it will turn off the splash
[15:43] <ogra> and thats wnated upstream
[15:43] <GrueMaster> Hmm.
[15:43]  * ogra heavily disagrees but cant convince the,
[15:43] <ogra> *them
[15:43] <ogra> anyway, so much about images
[15:44] <ogra> will be shaky for the next days
[15:44] <rsalveti> well, want console, disable fancy splash
[15:44] <ogra> well :)
[15:45] <NCommander> can I move on?
[15:45] <ogra> yep
[15:45] <rsalveti> you always can
[15:45] <GrueMaster> For test purposes it would be nice to have both.  Serial console should be an option for behind the scenes debugging and monitoring.
[15:45] <ogra> GrueMaster, tell that to upstream
[15:45] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:45] <NCommander> topic] AOB
[15:45] <rsalveti> ops
[15:46]  * ogra wont be available tomorrow ... flying back from cambridge 
[15:46] <ogra> rsalveti will bug you guys with release status stuff :)
[15:46] <rsalveti> weee :-)
[15:46] <ogra> since he has taken over the task
[15:46] <rsalveti> ogra: will you join the team meeting today?
[15:46] <ogra> and TI will hopefully miss me on the call :)
[15:47] <ogra> i'll try to, we're going out at that time i think
[15:47] <ogra> if i find a quiet corner i'll try to dial in
[15:47] <rsalveti> ok, np
[15:47] <rsalveti> anyone else?
[15:47] <rsalveti> with AOB
[15:47] <GrueMaster> Can we have the release meeting wiki a day before the meeting?  Reviewing & changing it 10 minutes before is a PITA.
[15:47] <GrueMaster> (same for this meeting wiki).
[15:47] <ogra> it should exist before the mail goes out, no ?
[15:48] <ogra> oh, release meeting you mean
[15:48] <ogra> no
[15:48] <ogra> i a) wont manage that timely and b) it wouldnt be recent
[15:48] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:48] <ogra> the release meeting is at the end of the european workday
[15:48] <rsalveti> it's good the way it's now
[15:48] <ogra> so we would miss everything that was acvhieved that day
[15:48] <rsalveti> we get a lot done by thursday and friday morning
[15:48] <ogra> right
[15:49] <GrueMaster> Well, don't expect me to give detailed updates before 8am PST (1600 UTC).
[15:49] <ogra> nobody does
[15:49] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: that's fine
[15:49] <ogra> either rsalveti or me do the details, you just need to cross check
[15:49] <GrueMaster> Coherent updates are 2 hours later.  :P
[15:49] <ogra> half an eye with a drip of caffeine should suffice
[15:50] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:50] <ogra> the buglist isnt really used from that page anyway i think
[15:50] <ogra> kate uses a LP search for milestones
[15:50] <GrueMaster> ok
[15:50] <ogra> its just important for the bugs we want to highlight
[15:51] <ogra> i.e. the really really serious stuff
[15:51] <GrueMaster> BTW:  Since we still have time to kill.
[15:51] <ogra> will you sing and dance for us ?
[15:51] <GrueMaster> I am working on either updating or closing out old bug reports.
[15:51] <rsalveti> lol
[15:51] <ogra> awesome
[15:52] <ogra> you could fix them too while youre at it *g*
[15:52]  * ogra hides
[15:52] <GrueMaster> Only yours.  :P
[15:52] <ogra> only if you dance now
[15:52] <NCommander> can I close?
[15:52]  * GrueMaster does the truffle shuffle.
[15:52] <ogra> can you take a movie of that NCommander ?
[15:53] <janimo> we need to move to videoconferencing instead of IRC
[15:53] <ogra> --
[15:53] <NCommander> ugh
[15:53] <ogra> then i have to get dressed before meetings
[15:53]  * GrueMaster would have to get dressed for that.  No like.
[15:54]  * NCommander would have to get out of bed
[15:54] <ogra> (not that i'm sitting naked at the ARM office now, but .... )
[15:54] <NCommander> No thanks
[15:54] <janimo> there's no dress code in the ubuntu-arm community
[15:54] <GrueMaster> No, but there is in Cambridge UK.
[15:54]  * ogra has a beautiful collection of bathrobes 
[15:54] <ogra> but i cant wear them here
[15:55] <NCommander> ogra: pfft, you could simply be Auther Dent
[15:55] <NCommander> just make sure you have a towel
[15:55] <ogra> heh
[15:55] <GrueMaster> Or Hugh Heffner
[15:55] <ogra> not enough girls around me for the latter
[15:55] <ogra> though susie probably counts for two
[15:55] <GrueMaster> Ouch.
[15:56] <ogra> GrueMaster, in a positive way indeed :)
[15:56] <ogra> anyway, lets close
[15:56] <GrueMaster> heh
[15:56] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:56.
[18:59]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:00] <mr_pouit> \o
[19:00] <charlie-tca> looks like we are here.
[19:00] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <micahg> o/
[19:01] <charlie-tca> wish I knew how to make that thing give me the correct times
[19:01] <charlie-tca> The full meeting agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old Business
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old Business
[19:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Xubuntu marketing plan
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Xubuntu marketing plan
[19:02] <charlie-tca> knome is working hard on this very topic, and his efforts are very much appreciated
[19:03] <charlie-tca> We now have a wiki page going, even if the wiki is hard to work with at this time. It is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing
[19:03] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing
[19:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Any comments on this subject?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] previous actions
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  previous actions
[19:05] <charlie-tca> ochosi and mr_pouit will change panel launchers to generic icons
[19:06] <charlie-tca> This has taken place in Natty, and, to be honest, looks good!
[19:06] <charlie-tca> ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I don't seem to have either person here today, so this will be carried forward
[19:07] <charlie-tca> shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Action done
[19:07] <charlie-tca> and the rest, we did not do yet
[19:08] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates
[19:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Packaging & Development
[19:08] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn
[19:08] <mr_pouit> okay
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * More syncs/merges from Debian experimental.
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * Fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin to work with nm-applet and transmission (might be worth adding it by default to the panel, feedback welcome).
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * Fixed xfce4-notes-plugin to allow smooth upgrades (it won't be removed from the panel when upgrading to 4.8).
[19:09] <mr_pouit> * Patched update-manager to be able to restart without gnome-session (Bug #530161, not uploaded yet).
[19:09] <mr_pouit> * micahg packaged and uploaded gmusicbrowser 1.1.6. \o/
[19:09] <mr_pouit> That's all for this week.
[19:09] <micahg> well, had some help from quadrispro with gmusicbrowser
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Hey, that is a lot for this week
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much for all your help
[19:11] <charlie-tca> and, yes, lest's discuss adding Xfce4-indicator-plugin to the panel
[19:12] <mr_pouit> yep, I think ochosi spoke with you about that
[19:12] <charlie-tca> As I understand it, it would use all the good things Ubuntu adds for indicators, and we still keep the systray for what ever does not use the indicators?
[19:12] <beardygnome> can someone give a quick overview of the plugin please?
[19:13] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: that's it.
[19:13] <beardygnome> thanks charlie-tca
[19:14] <charlie-tca> The plugin, as I understand it, is similar to the indicator panel in Unity, it contains things like the volume control, easy way to get to mail, and that kind of thing.
[19:14] <mr_pouit> several applications we ship by default (pidgin, transmission…) don't show up in the systray anymore
[19:14] <mr_pouit> that makes them difficult to use
[19:14] <charlie-tca> It sits in the panel, next to the notification area, and allows us to more easily manage applications that are running
[19:15] <beardygnome> sounds like a no-brainer then
[19:15] <beardygnome> i take it this is 4.8 only?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:15] <charlie-tca> this is for natty only
[19:15] <mr_pouit> no, xfce4-indicator-plugin can work in 4.6 afaik
[19:15] <mr_pouit> but yeah, it's for natty only ;>
[19:16] <beardygnome> so i can't try it out on maverick?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> and, along with this, what about the cpu graph?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> yes, you can try it on maverick, by installing it your self
[19:16] <mr_pouit> and the good thing is that indicator-sound (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu) is able to call xfce4-mixer, and gmusicbrowser will be integrated in this menu also
[19:17] <mr_pouit> beardygnome: yes, the plugin is already available, not sure if it works fine (I submitted several patches recently)
[19:17] <beardygnome> mr_pouit: is it packaged for maverick, or do i need the source?
[19:17] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit has done a lot of work on the indicator applet, to get it to work right.
[19:18] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I think we can remove cpugraph also, as cody and you said a few weeks ago
[19:18] <mr_pouit> beardygnome: it is packaged
[19:18]  * beardygnome fires up synaptic
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Okay, so we make the change and it becomes "panel + indicators - cpugraph"
[19:19] <charlie-tca> and if we really hate it, we can reverse it still, right?
[19:20] <mr_pouit> okay, I'll do that
[19:20] <mr_pouit> yes, of course
[19:20] <charlie-tca> heh, I haven't seen anything we really hated yet, though
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I just find the cpu graph disturbing, since it flashes lines up there on my panel
[19:21] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel
[19:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Thanks, mr_pouit
[19:21] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:22] <charlie-tca> a constant battle
[19:22] <mr_pouit> then don't do any cpu intensive task, and it won't display bars :P
[19:22] <charlie-tca> it does! it shows little lines that are hard to see
[19:22] <charlie-tca> hm, I guess I am whining now, huh :-)
[19:23] <charlie-tca> We have hopes of keeping the bugs squashed down, and just keep working on them.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> As for testing, the images for natty are all broken today
[19:23] <charlie-tca> however, we are testing starting tuesday for alpha3!
[19:23] <charlie-tca> All help is appreciated
[19:24] <charlie-tca> We gang up in #ubuntu-testing for that
[19:24] <charlie-tca> any questions for bugs and testing?
[19:24] <mr_pouit> I didn't follow closely, but it seems to me that very few ne bugs are reported for xfce 4.8 in natty
[19:25] <mr_pouit> (or maybe they are all private by default so I won't get any notification unless I go directly on launchpad…)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I have a done a bad job tracking them this cycle. I have to go look
[19:25] <mr_pouit> *few new
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I been hitting them pretty good, and not very many are valid more than a day or two
[19:26] <charlie-tca> It seems most issues get fixed fast this cycle
[19:26] <charlie-tca> and the ones that don't are the long term issues already reported
[19:26] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Do we have pleia2 or knome?
[19:27] <mr_pouit> ok, thanks
[19:27] <pleia2> hey, real quick
[19:27] <pleia2> canonical will be setting up a wordpress test install for us!
[19:28] <pleia2> and vinnl added knome and I to the ~xubuntu-website team so we're all set to put a theme in there once we're ready (canonical will pull from bzr)
[19:28] <pleia2> hopefully that'll happen in the next few days :)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Yes!
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Suggestion from ochosi - it would be great if the first page would show the slideshow that is shown during installation.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> that would be for the website
[19:30]  * pleia2 makes note
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Of course, we need to update it first for Natty, which is not going all that great
[19:30] <pleia2> once we have the demo site up we can experiment with this and other suggestions
[19:31] <charlie-tca> we also have:  ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I think that got forgot again, though
[19:32] <charlie-tca> We can carry it forward, too
[19:32] <pleia2> yeah
[19:32] <charlie-tca> The wordpress change is great, though!
[19:32] <pleia2> yes, very good progress, hooray for canonical sysadmins for their speedy replies! :)
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Anything else for website and marketing?
[19:33] <mr_pouit> (another thing that got forgotten and needs to be carried forward: update the slideshows displayed during the installation ;-)
[19:33] <pleia2> that's all I've got
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Thank you, pleia2.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> that is good progress!
[19:33] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thanks for the reminder
[19:34] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork
[19:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Artwork
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 will have everything but the new wallpaper
[19:35] <charlie-tca> ochosi wrote a news article about getting the artwork done. I will be forwarding to someone to publish, pleia2 ?
[19:36] <pleia2> charlie-tca: sounds good
[19:36] <charlie-tca> great!
[19:36] <charlie-tca> He also wants to write another one, about the great features of gmusicbrowser, which is now part of natty
[19:37] <charlie-tca> That, I think, covers artwork. Any questions/comments?
[19:37] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Discussion - Remote Desktop Viewer (Vinegrae)
[19:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Discussion - Remote Desktop Viewer (Vinegrae)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> the question is: Why do include this in the menu?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> s/do/do we
[19:38] <beardygnome> where else would we put it?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> We wouldn't
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Do we need it as a default item?
[19:38] <beardygnome> we'd drop it as a default app?
[19:38] <pleia2> charlie-tca: sec, it looks like i can give ochosi his own account on the drupal install (I suspect wordpress will be an around natty release thing) so he can post himself
[19:38] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:39] <charlie-tca> pleia2: really? let's do that then
[19:39] <beardygnome> i use it quite a lot, but i guess it's a rather niche app
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I never used it, myself. I did not know it was even usable
[19:40] <beardygnome> yeah, works really well
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Is it better then to keep it, or to tell users to install it themselves.
[19:41] <beardygnome> if you're in a position where you need a remote desktop viewer, you're probably capable of finding and installing one
[19:42] <beardygnome> so i guess making it a default app is a waste of precious cd space
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We can afford it
[19:46] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: is "remote desktop viewer" something that we need to remove to free up space?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I hope we ain t lost the devs again
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I need them for the next topic
[19:46] <mr_pouit> no, we can remove it if we want to, but it's not that big
[19:46]  * micahg thought we were tight last time on the amd64 CD
[19:46] <charlie-tca> leave it if someone thinks it is useful
[19:46] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe we were
[19:46] <charlie-tca> we still have language packs though
[19:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: ah yeah, if we add the indicators, maybe we need to drop something else
[19:46] <charlie-tca> then we should remove the remote viewer.
[19:46] <mr_pouit> (I didn't exactly check the space remaining)
[19:46] <charlie-tca> heh, we might be oversize again
[19:48] <charlie-tca> desktop 64 is 683MB
[19:48] <charlie-tca> the rest got lots of space
[19:48] <micahg> well, won't we get some space back by dropping exaile?
[19:48] <micahg> gmusicbrowser seems a lot lighter
[19:48] <charlie-tca> yup, but we used it with gmusicbrowser
[19:48] <mr_pouit> yep, it will drop hal & co.
[19:48] <charlie-tca> so maybe we gain a bit again
[19:49] <charlie-tca> okay, so if we need to drop it, we do
[19:49] <charlie-tca> otherwise, we keep remote desktop viewer as a service to the users that do use it
[19:49] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Discussion - PowerPC and Armel builds for Xubuntu
[19:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Discussion - PowerPC and Armel builds for Xubuntu
[19:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: also, with remote desktop viewer, in most cases, people will have internet access, so it's an easy install
[19:50] <charlie-tca> valid point
[19:50] <charlie-tca> PowerPC seems kind of dead for us, is it worth building daily images when we are not building the milestones?
[19:51] <mr_pouit> and the daily builds are either broken or oversized
[19:51] <micahg> well, I think powerpc has a lot of potential for xubuntu
[19:51] <charlie-tca> We keep it now because if someone decided to pick it up, it would be easier to fix then if it is not built daily.
[19:51] <micahg> apple abandoned them
[19:51] <charlie-tca> potential, but we have no developer for it, and no testing
[19:52] <charlie-tca> that is a liablility now
[19:52] <micahg> oh, hmm, well, I guess until it's fixed, it doesn't make sense to buidl the dailies
[19:52] <charlie-tca> We can't really tell anyone to use it, the way it is today
[19:53] <micahg> that's too bad
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Let's pick a timeframe, say by the time beta releases, we need someone actively on it or we stop it? Or do we stop now?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I have asked in the ppc channels, on the mailing lists, and on ident.ca for help with it, and got no responses
[19:55] <Sysi> i think PPC generally lacks testers
[19:55] <knome> if someone provides me the hardware...
[19:55] <Sysi> for lucid i heard one kubuntu dev saying he's only tester
[19:55] <maco> probably harald or scottk
[19:58] <maco> oh wait, you mean lucid kubutnu on ppc?
[19:58] <knome> yes
[19:58] <maco> either nixternal or scottk is the only ppc user in kubuntu devel
[19:58] <maco> (one of the ssh's to the other's ppc box, i just forget which direction)
[19:58] <Sysi> Tm__T was earlier
[19:58] <ScottK> No.  It's Tm_T
[19:58] <Sysi> (avoiding hilight)
[19:58] <ScottK> nixternal has a PPC box I sometimes use for build testing.
[19:58] <maco> ScottK: oooh
[19:58] <knome> charlie-tca, i need to go now, but just to get it in the logs: i'll get back to the voip-meeting planning before next meeting. we'll also provide the menu logo suggestions with ochosi before the next meeting.
[19:58] <knome> ta-ra! o/
[19:58] <knome> ->
[19:58] <charlie-tca> We had very sporadic testing during the maverick release cycle, and none during natty
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Knightlust
[19:58] <charlie-tca> thanks, knome
[19:58] <charlie-tca> sorry, Knightlust
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I am thinking of it as a liablility, if we go through this cycle with daily builds, and no testing, at some point, a user is going to try to use it.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> We did put out the 10.04.2 images that way already. They seem to have been built, and are available for use.
[20:00] <Sysi> if somebody asks for it we could offer it to be tested
[20:01] <charlie-tca> We also have the question of building armel images for Xubuntu?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I don't see it happening at this point, since we have to have committed testers
[20:02]  * micahg got the ok to ISO test arm, just need to find out how
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Does that mean they will build a Xubuntu arm ISO, for testing?
[20:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: we can, I have the ok to take time to test it
[20:03] <beardygnome> i've got to go now, but will leave my client open so i can review the rest later.
[20:03] <beardygnome> no votes or anything coming up?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> thanks, beardygnome
[20:03] <charlie-tca> no votes, and the only announcement is the testing for alpha3 next week
[20:04] <beardygnome> thanks charlie-tca
[20:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thoughts on stopping the ppc builds?
[20:04] <beardygnome> see you guys next week
[20:06] <mr_pouit> I don't have such hardware, and I receive everyday some "the daily is broken/oversized" mail :p
[20:06] <charlie-tca> for the record, I am for stopping that image
[20:06] <charlie-tca> okay, I will get the minutes out, and if no objections are received, I will stop them next week
[20:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] any other business?
[20:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other business?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> open floor
[20:07] <mr_pouit> nothing! :)
[20:07] <Sysi> i was AFK earlier, are we not gonna include desktop switcher to panel?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> There being no other business, we will have another meeting in one week, on March 3, 2011
[20:07] <Sysi> it can be confusing if user happens to press keys to switch desktop and nothing happens
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Sysi: missed that altogether
[20:08] <charlie-tca> We don't have the desktop switcher in natty?
[20:08] <Sysi> i haven't seen it in daily builds
[20:08] <Sysi> as default setup
[20:08] <charlie-tca> I thought it was in the panel, but maybe not
[20:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: did we drop that?
[20:09] <mr_pouit> yep, it's not in the current config
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Can we have it back, or is it a pain to make work now?
[20:10] <Sysi> it works great, just isn't in default config
[20:10] <charlie-tca> or do we need it because it is an advanced user configuration?
[20:10] <Sysi> we have multiple workspaces by default
[20:10] <Sysi> *i* think having it is easier
[20:10] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: can we put the switcher back, since we have multiple workspaces already?
[20:11] <mr_pouit> indeed, it works fine, so let's affect that to ochosi to work on that ;]
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[20:11] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] put workspace switcher back in the current configuration for natty
[20:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  put workspace switcher back in the current configuration for natty
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Thanks for bringing that up, Sysi
[20:12] <charlie-tca> anything else?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for attending this meeting.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:12.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That was a very good meeting