=== Guest72054 is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest70297 === Guest70297 is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Guest94180 === Guest94180 is now known as Ursinha_ === Igorot is now known as Knightlust === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === 84XAAABJE is now known as Seeker` === itnet7_ is now known as itnet7 === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro === deegee_1 is now known as deegee_ === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti === joaopinto_ is now known as joaopinto === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:01] so who's here? [15:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224 [15:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110224 [15:01] * ogra only half, being a) at the emdebian sprint and b) busy getting all stuff uploaded before FF [15:01] * rsalveti waves [15:01] hi [15:02] hi [15:03] * GrueMaster is presently being caffienated. [15:03] we have no action items from last week [15:03] [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:03] New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:03] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:03] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:04] NCommander, still five on your plate [15:04] * davidm waves [15:05] NCommander, do you plan to finish userland subarch detection ? [15:05] On my work items, based off discussion with persia and ogra, my spec needs a rethink with its design, so I'll be redoing it, and shelving it for next cycle. A good portion (the archdetect in userland) stuff did get implemented and will be used for other sanity checks [15:06] NCommander, note that flash-kernel was redesigned during the emdebian sprint (lacks implementation or specing yet) [15:06] and that should do a lot of the arch detection bits in a re-usable way in the future [15:06] ogra: then we should probably compare notes and see how the new f-k compares to what I had in mind and see if we can simply get this implemented in Debian [15:06] (proper split of HW detection and functions will haoppen etc) [15:07] anything else to bring up? [15:07] NCommander, well, debian will implement it and we will just get it [15:07] janimo, your last three WI are on track ? [15:07] same question to GrueMaster and rsalveti === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:07] ogra, yes. Pending review, as the CD building is largely out of my hand [15:07] so I need feedback before proceeding [15:07] right, NCommander did you look already ? [15:07] ogra: once done with this task for the set-up-box will jump at the edid [15:08] * ogra gave feedback already [15:08] and that should be today or tomorrow, so seems fine [15:08] I just converted the Remote Control Solutions to DONE. [15:08] rsalveti, anythning I can do for rootstock/versatile? [15:08] awesome [15:08] ogra: I didn't. [15:08] Need the minimal images to go forward on the other workitems, but they will only take an hour once I have an image. [15:08] NCommander, my only concern was the naming (flavour/type mixup) if thats fixed it should be fine, but it can well be that i missed something [15:08] * NCommander was tied up mostly with patch pilot stuff yesterday [15:08] janimo: that should be fine, was planing to test it today, but in case I'm unable to do so will ping you [15:09] thanks for asking [15:09] spent quite some time fighting with ti packages and sgx this past week [15:09] NCommander, please review janimo's changes and merge if you think they suit [15:09] NCommander, though presintalled shouldnt show up in the flavour name [15:09] ogra, NCommander so Colin should not be involved at all in this, being preinstalled images? [15:10] NCommander, and move/postpone/close your WIs [15:10] [action] NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign [15:10] ACTION received: NCommander to close WIs due to spec redesign [15:10] janimo, well, would be good to have him have a last look [15:10] my done WIs do not show up because of some weird parsing error on the whiteboard [15:10] janimo, but keep his review for post FF, he is very busy atm [15:11] sure, that's why I did not ping him (or anyone else for that matter) [15:11] right [15:11] imho it looks good [15:11] (apart from the name) [15:11] I am fine with any naming [15:11] just drop the preinstalled from it [15:11] ok [15:12] * ogra cant remember even remotely what that last WI he has open was about [15:12] [action] NCommandet to review janimo's work [15:12] ACTION received: NCommandet to review janimo's work [15:13] the description is way to generic [15:13] and persia isnt here [15:13] rsalveti, btw s/set-up-box/settop-box/ i think :) [15:13] true :-) [15:14] anyway, can I move on? [15:14] * ogra thinks so [15:14] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:14] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:14] just uploaded [15:14] ogra, nice [15:14] yay [15:15] ogra: did it build this time? [15:15] no guarantees *anything* will work :) [15:15] built on all arches though [15:15] that's fine :-) [15:15] NCommander, in an offtopic comment, i also uploaded florence (with minor changes) [15:15] so we dont miss FF [15:16] Any progress on Qt with gcc 4.5? [15:16] ogra: saw that, persia was handling that though [15:16] nothing else to report on unity-2d atm ... i expect many many bugs to roll in [15:16] ScottK, not that I know of [15:16] NCommander, well, FF is in a few hours [15:16] unfortunately, I didn't get a response to my pings before my VPS was rebooted last night [15:16] there's a gcc patch not sure when it lands in natty [15:16] he is free to override my upload with a higher version [15:16] ogra: I'm aware, but I don't believe the package will pass NEW in its current state [15:16] ScottK, there was a gcc upload recently [15:16] NCommander: Would it be OK to have an action to someone to work with doko on getting the gcc patch in? [15:17] no idea if that includes the fix [15:17] OK. [15:17] janimo: which one? [15:17] doko_, the one that makes QT not explode :) [15:17] doko_, gcc 4.5 miscompiled Qt (volatile int) [15:17] * ogra doesnt have the bug number handy atm [15:17] NCommander, we'll see, it builds and i fixed the worst bits [15:17] bug number would be nice ;-p [15:18] * janimo does not eiother but googling for it [15:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/705689 [15:18] Ubuntu bug 705689 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "Qt applications crash with segfault error on armel when Qt is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,Confirmed] [15:18] googling for unity crashes armel gives top hit always [15:18] NCommander, most important for me was that its in before FF, we can still adjust in coordination with the archive admins [15:18] * NCommander bows down to janimo's Google skills [15:18] doko_, a fix should already be in the VCS, just not uploaded afaik [15:20] * NCommander moves on [15:20] ++ [15:20] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:20] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:20] we just got a kernel from sebjan yesterday [15:20] 2.6.38-rc5 based [15:20] omap4 ? [15:21] with DVI ? [15:21] with wlan, dvi and syslink/tiler [15:21] but was basically for testing, as they are merging the audio patches [15:21] well [15:21] so we're expecting a better tree in 2, 3 days, with additional audio support [15:21] I'll add it to my todo for testing today. [15:21] would be good if someone could test it [15:21] that we can probably merge at least at the ti-omap4-dev [15:21] snap :) [15:22] if it works (even roughly) we should drop .35 and switch over [15:22] https://github.com/sebjan/linux-2.6 [15:22] tag int-2.6.38-iv1 [15:22] ogra: yup [15:22] preferably before A3 [15:22] as soon he send the better tree, with audio, cooloney will merge it [15:23] and after testing we can see if we can directly switch it over 35 [15:23] ogra: should be I believe [15:23] ++ [15:24] that's all I have [15:24] they just started the hdmi driver [15:24] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:24] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:24] but that will take some time to be in a good shape [15:24] bah [15:24] * ogra wonders what happened to the opther kernels [15:24] the ones that were supposed to come from the community for community images [15:25] persia was looking at this [15:25] ScottK, werent you involved in either efika or n900 ? [15:25] rsalveti, yeah, and he isnt here [15:25] at least for imx [15:25] i was expecting to see at least some upload before FF [15:25] I have spent 90% of my time the last few days retesting old bugs and adding comments to them for Linaro. A lot of the bugs require a lot of work to install & test, so most of my time has had to focus on that. [15:25] but there is no trace of universe kernels [15:25] don't think it'll happen for today [15:26] yeah, looks like [15:26] Since images have been broken for almost 2 weeks, it hasn't been a problem. [15:26] ogra: I have an efika. I've been involved in n900. The n900 kernel is in the archive, but we need LP changes before we can build images. [15:26] ah [15:26] why havent i see the n900 kernel :) [15:26] great [15:27] GrueMaster, images should build from tomorrow on again [15:27] Yea, yea. I've heard that before. :P [15:27] well, it currently seems as if janimo's patch got lost [15:28] janimo, can you come to #ayatana ? and help didrocks [15:28] I did manage to hack in the new jasper and boot with it on the 20110216 image. Didn't see any glowing issues. [15:28] wow [15:28] ogra, ok [15:28] i guess i'm a lucky guy :) [15:28] * ogra didnt expect it to work at all [15:29] so that was half of the image topic during QA :) [15:29] Well, the next image will tell the full tail. [15:29] yeah [15:29] and if the swap got fine [15:30] heh [15:30] well, ist your code i copy/pasted :P [15:30] * ogra will blame rsalveti if it fails :) [15:30] can I move on? [15:30] yes [15:30] haha :-) [15:30] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:30] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:31] Uh... [15:31] hahaha [15:31] Didn't I just go over that? [15:31] GrueMaster, go ahead, tell us :P [15:31] GrueMaster, we like you, cant have enough of you :P [15:31] Pfft. [15:31] bah [15:32] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:32] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:32] I lack caffiene [15:32] I do have some new bugs I need to file, but they need to wait until the pool settles and I have new images. [15:32] * ogra hopes everyone participates in slangasek's porting jams nowadays [15:32] So upstream believes mono to be fixed onARM, fixing the SMP/threading issues, as well as applying a patch to workaround a toolchain bug [15:32] cause of kdebindings failure found, fix building. I hope this will unstuck the kde ftbfs queue [15:33] nice [15:33] janimo: Cool. Let me know how it goes. [15:33] wow, well done [15:33] Yea for kde. Meh on mono. [15:33] dont say meh [15:33] NCommander, mono considered fixed for 2.6 too or 2.10? [15:33] banshee is essential :) [15:33] janimo: what was the issue with kdebindings? ( I didn't have much successin debugging it) [15:33] janimo: if 2.10 works, I'll backport to 2.6 [15:33] GrueMaster, banshee will pay your salary ;) [15:34] j/k [15:34] NCommander, funny because it seems it was your patch that fixed this in the first place. But was dropped two uploads ago from python-qt4-dev [15:34] at least the patch header mentioned you. quite a large qreal/floar patch [15:35] ugh [15:35] * ogra grins .... qreal... float ... [15:35] yeah yeah [15:35] debfx pushed it back into the dpmt svn so it can get fixed in Debian too. [15:35] * ogra wont say anything anymore to that matter [15:35] That's the problem. Patch was on the floar. [15:36] NCommander, I can understand if your subconcious cleans up everuthing related from your memory after this kind of debugging sprees [15:36] * NCommander wishes upstream would accept it [15:36] GrueMaster, nope ... other problem, but i wont stir that up again to not have NCommander freak out again [15:36] * GrueMaster was joking about the typo. [15:37] anyway, i guess we can move [15:37] janimo: what can I say, my mind has effective garbage collection :-) [15:37] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:37] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:37] NCommander, that is healthy :) [15:37] well, half of it was discussed above already [15:37] yeah [15:37] jasper changed massively [15:37] should display all output on the splash now [15:38] and the images should have a splash by default on first boot [15:38] swap is created during image build already [15:38] and jasper only adds the fstab line [15:38] ogra, any reason for splash only on first boot? [15:38] janimo, splash all the time [15:38] since the first boot [15:38] not "only on first boot" [15:38] that's good for our users :-) [15:38] we didnt have it before [15:39] ah ok. I saw comments in debian-cd source TODO (pass splash which ATM does not work with usplash or something) [15:39] sinc ejasper didnt talk to plymouth [15:39] usplash is long dead [15:39] right, but some boot params are put in bootscr.ini there [15:39] i added quiet and splash to the images cmdline now [15:39] if you dont see a splash on the new images, please tell me [15:40] i dont expect everything to work smooth yet [15:40] but it should work "theoretically" [15:40] in other news i dont know how the userspace will behave [15:40] ogra, I use headless as I don;t do any gui work atm, was just curious as I rmember seeing that splash comment these days, and now you mentioning it in the context of anothet package [15:40] new unity-2d isnt tested at all yet [15:41] * janimo tested u-2d on x86 a while ago. Swicthed back after failing to manage to use it [15:41] janimo, plymouth will bail out automatically if no proper console is available [15:41] so it shouldnt affect serial boots [15:42] actually it will bail out as soon as *one of the console= args* points to a serial tty [15:42] Has anyone looked at plymouth to see if it can allow serial console logging and still function? [15:42] it should switch off the splash [15:42] Would be nice to have both. [15:42] not sure if the textmode works [15:42] you cant [15:42] by design [15:43] if it detects console=ttyS* it will turn off the splash [15:43] and thats wnated upstream [15:43] Hmm. [15:43] * ogra heavily disagrees but cant convince the, [15:43] *them [15:43] anyway, so much about images [15:44] will be shaky for the next days [15:44] well, want console, disable fancy splash [15:44] well :) [15:45] can I move on? [15:45] yep [15:45] you always can [15:45] For test purposes it would be nice to have both. Serial console should be an option for behind the scenes debugging and monitoring. [15:45] GrueMaster, tell that to upstream [15:45] :-) [15:45] topic] AOB [15:45] ops [15:46] * ogra wont be available tomorrow ... flying back from cambridge [15:46] rsalveti will bug you guys with release status stuff :) [15:46] weee :-) [15:46] since he has taken over the task [15:46] ogra: will you join the team meeting today? [15:46] and TI will hopefully miss me on the call :) [15:47] i'll try to, we're going out at that time i think [15:47] if i find a quiet corner i'll try to dial in [15:47] ok, np [15:47] anyone else? [15:47] with AOB [15:47] Can we have the release meeting wiki a day before the meeting? Reviewing & changing it 10 minutes before is a PITA. [15:47] (same for this meeting wiki). [15:47] it should exist before the mail goes out, no ? [15:48] oh, release meeting you mean [15:48] no [15:48] i a) wont manage that timely and b) it wouldnt be recent [15:48] yeah [15:48] the release meeting is at the end of the european workday [15:48] it's good the way it's now [15:48] so we would miss everything that was acvhieved that day [15:48] we get a lot done by thursday and friday morning [15:48] right [15:49] Well, don't expect me to give detailed updates before 8am PST (1600 UTC). [15:49] nobody does [15:49] GrueMaster: that's fine [15:49] either rsalveti or me do the details, you just need to cross check [15:49] Coherent updates are 2 hours later. :P [15:49] half an eye with a drip of caffeine should suffice [15:50] :-) [15:50] the buglist isnt really used from that page anyway i think [15:50] kate uses a LP search for milestones [15:50] ok [15:50] its just important for the bugs we want to highlight [15:51] i.e. the really really serious stuff [15:51] BTW: Since we still have time to kill. [15:51] will you sing and dance for us ? [15:51] I am working on either updating or closing out old bug reports. [15:51] lol [15:51] awesome [15:52] you could fix them too while youre at it *g* [15:52] * ogra hides [15:52] Only yours. :P [15:52] only if you dance now [15:52] can I close? [15:52] * GrueMaster does the truffle shuffle. [15:52] can you take a movie of that NCommander ? [15:53] we need to move to videoconferencing instead of IRC [15:53] -- [15:53] ugh [15:53] then i have to get dressed before meetings [15:53] * GrueMaster would have to get dressed for that. No like. [15:54] * NCommander would have to get out of bed [15:54] (not that i'm sitting naked at the ARM office now, but .... ) [15:54] No thanks [15:54] there's no dress code in the ubuntu-arm community [15:54] No, but there is in Cambridge UK. [15:54] * ogra has a beautiful collection of bathrobes [15:54] but i cant wear them here [15:55] ogra: pfft, you could simply be Auther Dent [15:55] just make sure you have a towel [15:55] heh [15:55] Or Hugh Heffner [15:55] not enough girls around me for the latter [15:55] though susie probably counts for two [15:55] Ouch. [15:56] GrueMaster, in a positive way indeed :) [15:56] anyway, lets close [15:56] heh [15:56] #endmeeting [15:56] Meeting finished at 09:56. === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem [18:59] * charlie-tca waves [19:00] \o [19:00] looks like we are here. [19:00] #startmeeting [19:00] Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is charlie-tca. [19:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:01] o/ [19:01] wish I knew how to make that thing give me the correct times [19:01] The full meeting agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:02] [TOPIC] Old Business [19:02] New Topic: Old Business [19:02] [TOPIC] Xubuntu marketing plan [19:02] New Topic: Xubuntu marketing plan [19:02] knome is working hard on this very topic, and his efforts are very much appreciated [19:03] We now have a wiki page going, even if the wiki is hard to work with at this time. It is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing [19:03] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing [19:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing [19:04] Any comments on this subject? [19:05] [TOPIC] previous actions [19:05] New Topic: previous actions [19:05] ochosi and mr_pouit will change panel launchers to generic icons [19:06] This has taken place in Natty, and, to be honest, looks good! [19:06] ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon [19:06] I don't seem to have either person here today, so this will be carried forward [19:07] shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [19:07] Action done [19:07] and the rest, we did not do yet [19:08] [TOPIC] Team updates [19:08] New Topic: Team updates [19:08] Packaging & Development [19:08] mr_pouit: your turn [19:08] okay [19:08] * More syncs/merges from Debian experimental. [19:08] * Fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin to work with nm-applet and transmission (might be worth adding it by default to the panel, feedback welcome). [19:08] * Fixed xfce4-notes-plugin to allow smooth upgrades (it won't be removed from the panel when upgrading to 4.8). [19:09] * Patched update-manager to be able to restart without gnome-session (Bug #530161, not uploaded yet). [19:09] Launchpad bug 530161 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Restart is not supported if not using gnome session manager (affects XFCE & LXDE)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530161 [19:09] * micahg packaged and uploaded gmusicbrowser 1.1.6. \o/ [19:09] That's all for this week. [19:09] well, had some help from quadrispro with gmusicbrowser [19:11] Hey, that is a lot for this week [19:11] Thank you very much for all your help [19:11] and, yes, lest's discuss adding Xfce4-indicator-plugin to the panel [19:12] yep, I think ochosi spoke with you about that [19:12] As I understand it, it would use all the good things Ubuntu adds for indicators, and we still keep the systray for what ever does not use the indicators? [19:12] can someone give a quick overview of the plugin please? [19:13] charlie-tca: that's it. [19:13] thanks charlie-tca [19:14] The plugin, as I understand it, is similar to the indicator panel in Unity, it contains things like the volume control, easy way to get to mail, and that kind of thing. [19:14] several applications we ship by default (pidgin, transmission…) don't show up in the systray anymore [19:14] that makes them difficult to use [19:14] It sits in the panel, next to the notification area, and allows us to more easily manage applications that are running [19:15] sounds like a no-brainer then [19:15] i take it this is 4.8 only? [19:15] yes [19:15] this is for natty only [19:15] no, xfce4-indicator-plugin can work in 4.6 afaik [19:15] but yeah, it's for natty only ;> [19:16] so i can't try it out on maverick? [19:16] and, along with this, what about the cpu graph? [19:16] yes, you can try it on maverick, by installing it your self [19:16] and the good thing is that indicator-sound (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu) is able to call xfce4-mixer, and gmusicbrowser will be integrated in this menu also [19:17] beardygnome: yes, the plugin is already available, not sure if it works fine (I submitted several patches recently) [19:17] mr_pouit: is it packaged for maverick, or do i need the source? [19:17] mr_pouit has done a lot of work on the indicator applet, to get it to work right. [19:18] charlie-tca: I think we can remove cpugraph also, as cody and you said a few weeks ago [19:18] beardygnome: it is packaged [19:18] * beardygnome fires up synaptic [19:19] Okay, so we make the change and it becomes "panel + indicators - cpugraph" [19:19] and if we really hate it, we can reverse it still, right? [19:20] okay, I'll do that [19:20] yes, of course [19:20] heh, I haven't seen anything we really hated yet, though [19:20] I just find the cpu graph disturbing, since it flashes lines up there on my panel [19:21] [ACTION] add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel [19:21] ACTION received: add xfce4-indicator-plugin to panel [19:21] Thanks, mr_pouit [19:21] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:21] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:22] a constant battle [19:22] then don't do any cpu intensive task, and it won't display bars :P [19:22] it does! it shows little lines that are hard to see [19:22] hm, I guess I am whining now, huh :-) [19:23] We have hopes of keeping the bugs squashed down, and just keep working on them. [19:23] As for testing, the images for natty are all broken today [19:23] however, we are testing starting tuesday for alpha3! [19:23] All help is appreciated [19:24] We gang up in #ubuntu-testing for that [19:24] any questions for bugs and testing? [19:24] I didn't follow closely, but it seems to me that very few ne bugs are reported for xfce 4.8 in natty [19:25] (or maybe they are all private by default so I won't get any notification unless I go directly on launchpad…) [19:25] I have a done a bad job tracking them this cycle. I have to go look [19:25]