| ricotz | hmm | 00:00 |
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| ricotz | gilir_, would be great if have some time now | 00:00 |
| RAOF | micahg, ricotz: Looks good to me now. | 00:11 |
| ricotz | RAOF, thanks | 00:11 |
| * micahg verifies again | 00:11 | |
| ricotz | RAOF, doesnt a sponsor count as motu ;) | 00:11 |
| RAOF | I'd count my go as an ACK, as that's the spirit of the policy, but it's micahg's call. :) | 00:12 |
| ricotz | that would be great :) | 00:14 |
| micahg | ricotz: if it's down to the wire, I'll count it, we still have 18 hrs though | 00:15 |
| ricotz | micahg, it still needs a NEW review, so it would be great if you could upload it | 00:16 |
| micahg | ricotz: NEW review is fine, anything upload by FF is good | 00:16 |
| ricotz | micahg, so please do it :) | 00:17 |
| micahg | ricotz: what I was saying was as long as we upload before FF, we're good, I'd still prefer one more ACK, or a DMB member saying that I can count RAOF's ACK | 00:23 |
| maco | micahg: email me a link and i'll look when i get home | 00:23 |
| micahg | maco: ok, thanks :) | 00:24 |
| ricotz | micahg, alright | 00:24 |
| ricotz | RAOF, micahg, thank you very much | 00:25 |
| micahg | ricotz: you're welcome, in the mean time, could you please file a needs-packaging bug in Ubuntu and close it in the changelog? | 00:25 |
| ricotz | maco, that sounds great :) | 00:25 |
| ricotz | micahg, ok | 00:26 |
| ricotz | micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/724040 | 00:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 724040 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging] dockmanager" [Undecided,New] | 00:38 |
| matttbe | Hello, | 00:43 |
| matttbe | With fabounet we are two members of the Cairo-Dock project and we want to update the version of Cairo-Dock in Ubuntu Natty. | 00:43 |
| matttbe | There are 2 bugs reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/723994 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock-plug-ins/+bug/723995 | 00:43 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 723994 in cairo-dock (Ubuntu) "Please update Cairo-Dock to 2.3.0~0rc1 version" [Undecided,New] | 00:43 |
| matttbe | Two bzr branches are ready to be merged into ubuntu branches | 00:43 |
| matttbe | This is the merge proposal: pour les branches à merger: https://code.launchpad.net/~cairo-dock-team/ubuntu/natty/cairo-dock/2.3.0-0rc1/+merge/51034 | 00:44 |
| matttbe | And for our plug-ins: https://code.launchpad.net/~cairo-dock-team/ubuntu/natty/cairo-dock-plug-ins/2.3.0-0rc1/+merge/51035 | 00:44 |
| matttbe | so we are just looking for a nice sponsor :) | 00:45 |
| matttbe | sorry: This is the merge proposal: this is for the cairo-dock API (cairo-dock core) https://code.launchpad.net/~cairo-dock-team/ubuntu/natty/cairo-dock/2.3.0-0rc1/+merge/51034 | 00:46 |
| micahg | matttbe: do you think there will be a release before beta 2? | 00:46 |
| matttbe | yes sure | 00:47 |
| micahg | matttbe: ok, I'll take a look later tonight unless someone beats me to it | 00:47 |
| matttbe | micahg: thank you :) | 00:47 |
| micahg | matttbe: you're welcome | 00:48 |
| matttbe | I also need a second sponsoring for another project: latexila: https://code.launchpad.net/~latexila/ubuntu/natty/latexila/2.0.5/+merge/50544 | 00:50 |
| matttbe | this is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/latexila/+bug/722408 | 00:50 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 722408 in latexila (Ubuntu) "Please update LaTeXila to 2.0.5 version" [Undecided,New] | 00:50 |
| micahg | matttbe: is there an effort to update these things in Debian as well? | 00:51 |
| matttbe | micahg: for Cairo-Dock yes (except that the maintainer want to change some files... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock-plug-ins/+bug/657564) and for LateXila too | 00:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 657564 in cairo-dock-plugins (Debian) "Duplicated package with cairo-dock-plugins (coming from Debian)" [Undecided,In progress] | 00:52 |
| matttbe | for latexila, it's just because gsettings-desktop-schemas package is still not available on Debian Unstable. | 00:53 |
| matttbe | and the other maintainer want to wait for it on Debian Unstable | 00:53 |
| micahg | matttbe: maybe it can be uploaded to experimental then so we can sync :) | 00:53 |
| matttbe | yes but I guess it's too late to do that before the FF | 00:54 |
| micahg | I'm happy to get the update in before feature freeze, but I think it would be good if we can sync after that | 00:54 |
| matttbe | ok but I guess that gsettings-desktop-schemas package will be available on Debian Unstable soon | 00:55 |
| micahg | ok, well, we can sync bug-fixes until at least beta 2, and just to sync I probably wouldn't do past beta | 00:56 |
| matttbe | ok | 00:58 |
| matttbe | but about the sync, will it be a SRU? | 00:59 |
| micahg | matttbe: no, just a regular sync as long as it's bug fix | 00:59 |
| matttbe | micahg: ok thank you | 00:59 |
| micahg | matttbe: you can use requestsync when it's ready in Debian | 01:00 |
| matttbe | ok | 01:01 |
| matttbe | about Cairo-Dock packages, I hope that its maintainer will update the version just as we want :-/ | 01:03 |
| matttbe | It's just easier to request a sync and then add a patch for Ubuntu... | 01:03 |
| micahg | matttbe: well, we can merge if there's a patch on top of it as long as it's bug fix | 01:05 |
| matttbe | ok :) | 01:06 |
| psusi | ok, when you close a terminal, all processes on it get a SIGHUP and should die right? | 01:21 |
| c2tarun | I am getting this error while building. I checked and -lncurses is linked there in Makefile. Why I am getting this error? | 01:21 |
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| c2tarun | http://paste.ubuntu.com/571451/ error | 01:24 |
| c2tarun | I am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/571451/ while building. I checked and -lncurses is linked there in Makefile. Why I am getting this error? | 01:24 |
| c2tarun | ping | 01:36 |
| gilir_ | micahg, if ricotz need another ACK for dockmanager, he have mine :) | 02:08 |
| micahg | gilir_: ok, I'll upload in a bit, thanks :) | 02:09 |
| c2tarun | micahg: ping | 02:18 |
| micahg | c2tarun: I don't have an answer for you :) | 02:19 |
| c2tarun | micahg: no prob :) | 02:20 |
| micahg | gilir_: did you mean 1.9.2 in your bug for gecko-mediaplayer? | 02:21 |
| gilir_ | micahg, I mean the 1.9.X in natty, doesn't remember the correct number :) | 02:22 |
| micahg | yep, 1.9.2, I saw you did the update to 1.0, does lubuntu actually use gecko-mediaplayer? (we're dropping xulrunner-1.9.2 from natty before release) | 02:22 |
| gilir_ | we try to use it :) | 02:24 |
| gilir_ | natty will only ship xulrunner 2.0 ? | 02:24 |
| micahg | gilir_: yes | 02:24 |
| micahg | in universe if we're lucky :) | 02:25 |
| * micahg will be back in a bit | 02:26 | |
| ScottK | micahg: Still working on it. Not yet. | 02:26 |
| ScottK | Waiting on a Launchpad change, then I can take the proposal to the tech board. | 02:27 |
| micahg | ScottK: ok, let me know if I can help (can't promise) | 02:30 |
| ScottK | Will do. | 02:30 |
| micahg | and I will try again next cycle for ubuntu-backporters :), just too much on my plate right now :)( | 02:30 |
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| maco | micahg: i uploaed it already | 05:41 |
| micahg | maco: ha, that makes 2 of us then :) | 05:41 |
| maco | well damn | 05:42 |
| micahg | they'll reject one, it's ok :) | 05:42 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:32 |
| micahg | good morning dholbach | 07:33 |
| dholbach | hi micahg | 07:33 |
| ricotz | micahg, hi, thanks for uploading :) -- but why is dockmanger in the queue twice now? | 07:38 |
| micahg | ricotz: because maco uploaded before me :) | 07:38 |
| ricotz | micahg, ok ;) | 07:38 |
| kklimonda | ah, good to know :) | 08:19 |
| kklimonda | ups.. | 08:20 |
| kklimonda | good morning | 08:20 |
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| micahg | tumbleweed: I had the same issue as bug 724054 using a backport from natty | 09:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 724054 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "[requestsync] ImportError: No module named debian.changelog" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724054 | 09:11 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: on which release? | 09:11 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: maverick | 09:12 |
| micahg | ii python-debian 0.1.16ubuntu1 | 09:12 |
| micahg | that was with 0.117 | 09:13 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: that import doesn't fail in my maverick chroot | 09:17 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: I have locale C still for some reason I think | 09:17 |
| micahg | err, maybe not | 09:17 |
| micahg | I'm on amd64 | 09:17 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: grabbing a maverick build from https://launchpad.net/~udt-developers/+archive/daily/+packages works for me (although you need maverick-updates enabled to get a recent enough python) | 09:20 |
| micahg | maybe it was a bug in 0.117, I didn't have the problem in 0.116 | 09:21 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: you will definitly run into "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'ubuntutools' referenced before assignment" in 0.117 | 09:24 |
| c2tarun | micahg: ping | 10:06 |
| Leon-Wallch | micahg: Did you finished checking package Wallch? | 10:26 |
| c2tarun | micahg: ping | 10:41 |
| micahg | Leon-Wallch: yes, I think everything has been fixed | 10:46 |
| Leon-Wallch | micahg: Nice! So are you able to advocate the package? | 10:48 |
| micahg | Leon-Wallch: I commented on REVU (I don't have and advocate button for some reason) | 10:49 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: you need a revu admin to give you advocation abilities | 10:49 |
| Leon-Wallch | tumbleweed: do you know someone that have those advocation abilities? | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | Leon-Wallch: I do, having a look at it now | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | micahg's vote still coutns | 10:52 |
| Leon-Wallch | micahg: Thank you for your help! | 10:53 |
| micahg | Leon-Wallch: you're welcome | 10:53 |
| tumbleweed | Leon-Wallch: do you have any plans to maintain this in Debian? | 10:53 |
| Leon-Wallch | tumbleweed: If Debian has Gnome Desktop, why not? | 10:54 |
| Laney | that's what I like to hear! | 10:55 |
| tumbleweed | um, should those icons really be installed into /usr/share/icons/{gnome,oxygen} ? they look like they belong in hicolor | 10:57 |
| tumbleweed | unix:shortcutfiles.extra is scary | 10:57 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: Yes, it is. What do you suggest? | 10:58 |
| tumbleweed | that's part of the packaging, probably belongs in debian/rules / debian/install | 10:59 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: Is it wrong to be there? | 10:59 |
| tumbleweed | the uptream makefile shouldn't have debian/tmp/$packagename hardcoded into it | 10:59 |
| c2tarun | micahg: ping | 11:00 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: it's not wrong, it'll work. But it'll only work in the context of debian packaging | 11:00 |
| hakermania | So, should I jsu t copy-paste all the .extras to the debian/rules? | 11:00 |
| micahg | c2tarun: pong | 11:00 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: also, errors won't be detected unless you "set -e" near the beginning | 11:00 |
| c2tarun | micahg: hi, I need a bit help on bug 724245 you looked on it. | 11:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 724245 in glest (Ubuntu) "[FTBFS] glest-3.2.2 failed to build on natty machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724245 | 11:01 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: it can probably be done a lot more efficiently than that by dh_install | 11:01 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: I need a suggestion here. I'm unexperienced. | 11:02 |
| * micahg has learned about package review from tumbleweed this morning :) | 11:02 | |
| micahg | c2tarun: I don't see a comment there | 11:02 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: I don't know how strict we should be on new packages, but my debian mentor always found fault in my work :P | 11:03 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: even when it was uploaded? | 11:04 |
| hakermania | tumbeweed: What should I do with the .extras? Move them to debian/rules and place "set -e" at the start of the rules file? | 11:04 |
| c2tarun | micahg: no it was not about the comment. I want to ask about the log. The error there was a gtk warning, so i guess its due to absence of gnome from my pbuilder? (am i right?) | 11:04 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: well there are always latent bugs you don't spot | 11:04 |
| micahg | c2tarun: idk, I haven't seen the logs | 11:04 |
| c2tarun | micahg: you are Micah Gersten? you posted the build-log? isn't it? | 11:05 |
| micahg | c2tarun: I think you gave me the wrong bug # | 11:05 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: I'd start by making your upstream buildsystem do a sane install when it's not part of a debian package build. And I don't like that it tries to detect whether it's in a debian build or not | 11:06 |
| c2tarun | micahg: oh very sorry bug 719725 :( | 11:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 719725 in medit (Ubuntu) "Newer Version Available" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719725 | 11:06 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: I know we are up against feature freeze and you want to get this in, and that you've been working on getting it in for months | 11:06 |
| tumbleweed | so I'm tempted to accept it, but I would like to see it get cleane dup | 11:07 |
| micahg | c2tarun: oh, I have no idea, you might want to look at that test file though and walk through it, maybe someone else can help (might just be there's no X server accessible from pbuilder in which case, that test should probably be disabled) | 11:08 |
| hakermania | tumleweed: True. So, I will remove all the checks for the debian/ folder. Is this right? | 11:08 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: yeah, the debian-specific things really belong in the debian packaging, not the upstream buildsystem | 11:09 |
| hakermania | OK | 11:09 |
| c2tarun | micahg: I dont have ubuntu machine, can you please build it on you ubuntu machine and check that whether are you getting the same error or not? | 11:10 |
| micahg | c2tarun: that was from a natty pbuilder | 11:10 |
| c2tarun | micahg: I mean ubuntu natty machine :| | 11:10 |
| c2tarun | micahg: ubuntu natty machine with ubuntu-desktop installed on it. | 11:12 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: By telling "sane install" do you mean keeping the part that installs the files into /debian/wallch/path/ or directly into /path (because it checks for debian/, if it is there it installs the files into it, if not, normally in the system) | 11:15 |
| c2tarun | can anyone help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/571655/ | 11:18 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: during a debian build, your Makefile will be passed INSTALL_ROOT=debian/wallch (DESTDIR in the gnu build recommendations, but AFAIX INSTALL_ROOT in qmake) | 11:19 |
| tumbleweed | it should then install into debian/wallch/usr/bin instead of /usr/bin | 11:20 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: Go it :) I will place the files into the system normally, but during the build debian/wallch/ will be considered as / .Thx for the info ! | 11:21 |
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| hakermania | tumbleweed: What about the debian/rules file? Should I place the .extras there (+plus placing "set -e" at the beggining) and remove them from the .pro file?? | 11:24 |
| Leon-Wallch | tumbleweed: Are you here? | 11:47 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: that'll work, although you can use dh_install to install those for you (read its manpage) | 11:53 |
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| c2tarun | I was looking on this page, there is a package name kftpgrabber, that package build succesfully on natty machine. Why is that package is in that list? I mean when is the last time that list gets updated? | 12:15 |
| Bachstel1e | c2tarun: afaik, each package is "updated" on every build attempt | 12:20 |
| Bachstel1e | so if it builds fine now, someone should reques a rebuild of it | 12:21 |
| Bachstel1e | request* | 12:21 |
| c2tarun | http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi | 12:21 |
| c2tarun | here is the list^^ | 12:21 |
| c2tarun | Bachstel1e: ok, so any suggestions for me for that package? as there is no ftbfs bug regarding that package on LP | 12:23 |
| Bachstel1e | I'm not sure what the proper procedure is in this case (i.e. how you request a rebuild), someone else probably does | 12:24 |
| geser | c2tarun: kftpgrabber is in the outdated section, which means that a newer package exists in the archive | 12:24 |
| geser | which might (or might not) have fixed the FTBFS | 12:25 |
| c2tarun | geser: well the version I pulled from natty archives is the same as the version mentioned in the list. | 12:26 |
| c2tarun | geser: so there is no newer package. its only this one | 12:27 |
| geser | c2tarun: you sure? because the archive rebuild was done with 0.8.99~svn1044538-3 and current one is 0.8.99~svn1044538-3ubuntu1 | 12:27 |
| geser | c2tarun: see also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/0.8.99~svn1044538-3ubuntu1 | 12:27 |
| c2tarun | geser: ah very sorry I didn't noticed ubuntu1? | 12:28 |
| geser | no problem as nothing bad happened | 12:29 |
| c2tarun | can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/571688/ | 12:30 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: I'll edit the rules file. Before or after the "%: dh $@" should I place the extras? | 12:32 |
| geser | c2tarun: see line 26: the -lncurses is before the object file (main.o) which uses symbols from the library. And with "ld --as-needed" the order does matter. The fix is to move the "-lncurses" to the end of the linker call | 12:35 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: generally blewo | 12:37 |
| c2tarun | geser: it worked :) thanks | 12:46 |
| c2tarun | geser: I created a patch in which I edited the Makefile. Is it correct or should I edit Makefile directly? | 12:46 |
| geser | c2tarun: does the package use a patch-system? | 12:47 |
| c2tarun | geser: yup, I guess native quilt | 12:47 |
| geser | c2tarun: I hope you fixed it better than it got fixed in Debian bug #612176 | 12:48 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 612176 in bastet "ftbfs with binutils-gold" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/612176 | 12:48 |
| geser | than make a proper patch for the used patch system | 12:48 |
| c2tarun | geser: I am not getting what are you trying so say? | 12:49 |
| geser | c2tarun: when you look at the attached patch in that bug, you will see angelabad "fixed" it by moving LDFLAGS to the end of the call | 12:51 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: Does this look good to you? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/571700/ | 12:51 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: doesn't look like a valid make file | 12:52 |
| tumbleweed | hakermania: #ubuntu-packaging may be a better place to move this... | 12:52 |
| geser | it fixes it but it's still the wrong fix. A better fix would be to use move "-lncurses" to LIBS and use it at the end of the linker call (and let LDFLAGS where is it and not overwrite it) | 12:52 |
| c2tarun | geser: yup I did the same :( | 12:52 |
| c2tarun | geser: sorry I am new so not getting. are you saying about creating any variable of name LIBS adding lncurses to it and add that var to the end of line? | 12:56 |
| geser | c2tarun: yes | 12:56 |
| geser | c2tarun: see line 15 of the Makefile, instead of assigning "-lncurses" let it assign to LIBS (a common variable name for that purpose) and add it to the end of line 22 (the $(CC) call) | 12:58 |
| c2tarun | geser: yup I am working on it. just few minutes | 12:58 |
| geser | no hurry, it's not a race :) better take the time you need | 13:00 |
| c2tarun | geser: done :) here is the patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/571702/ can you please take a look. | 13:01 |
| geser | c2tarun: almost, don't forget to remove the "LDFLAGS=-lncurses" line | 13:04 |
| geser | it's not needed anymore | 13:05 |
| c2tarun | geser: ya I thought that as well but what is the diff b/w removing LDFLAGS and adding LIBS at end and moving LDFLAGS at end? | 13:06 |
| geser | LDFLAGS has an other purpose (like adding library search paths (-L) and other linker options), it's not for adding libs for linking | 13:10 |
| c2tarun | geser: ok, so its just the convention? | 13:10 |
| c2tarun | geser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571704/ can you please take a look now ? | 13:12 |
| geser | I'm not an expert on this, but in the past most devs got lazy and put libs into LDFLAGS as it worked | 13:12 |
| geser | c2tarun: let LDFLAGS in the $(CC) like so it uses the "default" LDFLAGS which get set by dpkg-buildpackage: $(CC) $(LDFLAGS) -o $(EXNAME) $(SOURCES:.c=.o) $(LIBS) | 13:14 |
| geser | just don't overwrite them anymore which was done in the past | 13:14 |
| c2tarun | geser: new one http://paste.ubuntu.com/571706/ | 13:18 |
| geser | c2tarun: looks good now (only the cosmetic minor issue of the extra newline (line 17 in your paste)) | 13:19 |
| c2tarun | geser: ok, got it. I'll fix it too. What next? I mean what to do now? should I file a bug on LP and upload the patch? | 13:20 |
| geser | c2tarun: yes, file a bug (for sponsoring; and close it in your changelog entry), prepare a debdiff for sponsoring and as bonus points send your better fix to the Debian bug | 13:21 |
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| c2tarun | geser: ok, and in the changelog entry I should write just added patch FTBFS and bug number? | 13:24 |
| geser | c2tarun: yes, something like that | 13:28 |
| c2tarun | geser: thanks :) | 13:30 |
| hakermania | Can anyone check if this makefile has right syntax? http://paste.ubuntu.com/571714/ (in #ubuntu-packaging I don't get an answer) | 13:30 |
| Rhonda | If it has right syntax you will notice when you run it. :) | 13:37 |
| Rhonda | But why not use debian/dirs and debian/install files instead? | 13:37 |
| Rhonda | If you are using debhelper please use it to its full extend, otherwise it might confuse people working on the package after you. | 13:38 |
| Rhonda | Also, gzip isn't needed, that's done by dh_compress | 13:39 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: what is debian/dirs for? | 13:45 |
| Rhonda | Read up on man dh_installdirs | 13:45 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: The manpage not very helpful. nothing mentioned about debian/dirs (only package.dirs). In short words, should I place there any directories that my package needs (like /usr/share/wallch) ? | 13:51 |
| arand_ | hakermania: I think it creates those directories in the debian/DEBIAN directory... but I could be wrong... | 13:54 |
| hakermania | arand_: Thx....But I need to create these dirs into the system, manually. Can dh_installdirs do this? Or should I choose the rules file instead and manually use 'mkdir -p' | 13:56 |
| Rhonda | hakermania: package.dirs is the one specific to that binary package, dirs is one that gets applied to all binary packages mentioned in debian/control. And some directories you don't even need to list in there from my understanding, dh_install creates them automatically if it needs them for installing files | 13:56 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: i will place all I need (3-4), to be sure. | 13:58 |
| Rhonda | hakermania: Still, this is pretty basic packaging questions, there are often regular packaging tutorials in #ubuntu-classroom, this is really not the channel in which to discuss basic understanding difficulties with how debhelper works. | 13:58 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: Sorry. | 13:58 |
| Rhonda | No big deal, just stating. :) | 13:58 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: Ubuntu Security Team? wth? | 14:13 |
| Rhonda | !wtf | ari-tczew | 14:17 |
| ubottu | ari-tczew: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. | 14:17 |
| ari-tczew | Rhonda: wth is more gentle than wtf | 14:20 |
| rowinggolfer | I am looking for best practice on packaging the translations created by the rosetta team into a deb package. I note with interest that a debian proposal for a new package architecture for this purpose called tdeb is gaining momentum, and to be introduced into the next debian release (ie.. the distant future). | 14:28 |
| rowinggolfer | I wonder if best practice may be to bypass packagin altogether, and have the application (optionally) check for new translations at run time. | 14:29 |
| rowinggolfer | I have googled, but find no consensus. | 14:30 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: Can you give me private some help, as here it is not for packaging discussions? I can't see why clean isn't running...Pf... | 14:31 |
| Rhonda | hakermania: Unfortunately my time is pretty limited right now, including the forseeable future, sorry. :/ | 14:32 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: No problem... | 14:32 |
| rowinggolfer | ok.. thanks. this may help me. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LanguagePackUpdatesSchedule | 14:38 |
| Rhonda | hakermania: I hope you found this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide | 14:42 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: Don't bother with me :) I know how it is when you have a job to do and someone disturbs :) I'll find a solution soon. | 14:43 |
| joaopinto_ | Rhonda, I am sorry, but since when is this channel not appropriate for packaging questions ? | 14:43 |
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| ari-tczew | kees: do you will manage with upload nvclock? | 14:44 |
| joaopinto | hakermania, #ubuntu-classroom is for pre-schedule sessions, not a channel advised to join randomly and ask questions | 14:44 |
| hakermania | joaopinto: OK | 14:45 |
| Rhonda | joaopinto: Not in itself, but things like "what does debian/dirs do" are rather expected (and covered in the PackagingGuide), at least from my understanding. | 14:45 |
| joaopinto | Rhonda, right, which does not invalidate this channel as a valid resource to get such information :) | 14:46 |
| Rhonda | I didn' | 14:46 |
| joaopinto | erm, wait, there is an #ubuntu-packaging ? | 14:47 |
| Rhonda | I didn't say so, only after a while of questions along the lines that showed lack of some basic knowledge. | 14:47 |
| joaopinto | hum, I was not aware of #ubuntu-packaging | 14:47 |
| Rhonda | joaopinto: "(in#ubuntu-packaging I don't get an answer)" | 14:47 |
| joaopinto | ah :\ | 14:47 |
| Rhonda | That's very unfortunate and I'm sorry for that, and if I'd have the time I'd hang out in there and change it, but time doesn't permit. | 14:48 |
| hakermania | Does the rules file runs automatically? Because I have an install field and a clean one, none of which doesn't seem to run... | 14:49 |
| Rhonda | hakermania: dpkg-buildpackage calls them when used with the appropriate options. | 14:49 |
| Rhonda | Usually though you don' | 14:49 |
| Rhonda | Usually though you don't even use dpkg-buildpackage directly bug debuild/cowbuilder/pbuilder/similar wrapper tools. | 14:50 |
| joaopinto | hakermania, which language is the application you are packaging using ? | 14:50 |
| hakermania | c++ | 14:50 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| joaopinto | ok, and it provides a working Makefile, which includes an "install" target supporting DESTDIR ? | 14:51 |
| acarpine | Hi people! I need some help about packagingGuide and fixing bugs... | 14:59 |
| acarpine | Reading some stuff about packaging and fixing bugs I saw that sometimes the | 14:59 |
| acarpine | process says to modify the debian/control file (for example with update-maintainer), other time (for example using bzr) doesn't do it. | 14:59 |
| acarpine | Can someone explain me why? | 14:59 |
| hrw | morning | 15:01 |
| joaopinto | acarpine, the process is not linear, you only need to update the maintainer on debian/control for cases it is not already properly set :) | 15:01 |
| acarpine | good afternoon for me :) | 15:01 |
| hrw | can someone tell me whom I should talk to about getting mail to devel-permissions moderated? | 15:01 |
| hrw | acarpine: its 15:01 here, but on irc I use ugt | 15:01 |
| acarpine | joapinto: ok please let me see if I follow you. If I'm fixing a bug and I'm working on Ubuntu and the debian/control reports only the original dev through the field Maintener I guess I should add the | 15:05 |
| acarpine | XSBC-Origina-Maintainer field and change the maintainer field | 15:06 |
| acarpine | correct? | 15:06 |
| joaopinto | yes, (for example with update-maintainer) ;) | 15:07 |
| acarpine | joapinto: ok, tks joapinto! | 15:09 |
| acarpine | hrw: :o Ops...I just discovered a new acronym ugt :) In this case: good morning everyone! | 15:12 |
| hakermania | acarpine: Have you got experience with packaging? | 15:15 |
| acarpine | hakermania: I'm trying to learn now | 15:15 |
| hakermania | acarpine: Do you know about the debian/rules file? | 15:16 |
| acarpine | hakermania: I know what the packagingGuide says | 15:16 |
| acarpine | hakermania: not so much really :) | 15:17 |
| acarpine | I have another question about fixing bugs | 15:19 |
| acarpine | In general, how I know the name of the distribution where I have to upload my package? | 15:19 |
| acarpine | I'm talking about filling the first line of the debian/changelog file <package (version) distribution; urgency=urgency> | 15:19 |
| hakermania | acarpine: It's the next of the current, AFAIK | 15:20 |
| hakermania | joaopinto: Do you know about the debian/rules file? | 15:21 |
| joaopinto | hakermania, you need to be more specific :) | 15:21 |
| acarpine | hakermania: but always? it sounds a little odd to me. If it is so why dch in my system puts Maverick instead of Natty? | 15:23 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: because you may be using maverick machine for building and not the natty one. To build for natty you must use natty. | 15:24 |
| hakermania | acarpine: I don't know. It did it to me too. I'm not lying... See this for example http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bucardo . It has an error because in changelog it doesn;t say natty | 15:25 |
| === Bachstel1e is now known as Bachstelze | ||
| joaopinto | acarpine, dch by default uses the release name that you are working on | 15:27 |
| acarpine | c2tarun: Yes, I'm using Maverick. But I believe I could build also for Natty with pbuilder. | 15:30 |
| acarpine | I'm wrong? | 15:30 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: little bit | 15:30 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: pbuilder is not something on which you are working on. it is something that you are using only for building. You might be using your own system for building and I guess that is maverick. | 15:31 |
| acarpine | c2tarun: I tryied to use natty for ma base.tgz but I'm not sure... | 15:32 |
| acarpine | c2tarun: is there a command for to known the release of my base.tgz (pbuilder)? | 15:33 |
| === tarun is now known as Guest82085 | ||
| === Guest82085 is now known as tarun__ | ||
| tarun__ | acarpine: I dont know but by default pbuilder builts for latest release and that is natty. | 15:34 |
| acarpine | c2tarun: So, I'm using Maverick and I use pbuilder for build for natty. So I should be in order, right? | 15:38 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: well I suggest that create a chroot for natty, try to use it for everything and use pbuilder only for testing. This way it is more comfortable. | 15:39 |
| joaopinto | I suggest to use schroot/sbuild instead :P | 15:42 |
| c2tarun | yup this is also a good one :) ^^ | 15:42 |
| * c2tarun never understood schroot exactly | 15:44 | |
| acarpine | c2tarun: you aren't talking about pbuilder's chroot? | 15:44 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: actually chroot's are same more or less. diff b/w normal and pbuilder chroot is pbuilder clears all the changes you made each time you exit from it. Like installation of all the build-dependencies, updating chroot and many more. | 15:45 |
| acarpine | c2tarun & joapinto: I mean..."pbuilder create" already creates a base chroot image tar-ball (base.tgz). | 15:45 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: pbuilder creates a chroot tar-ball, whenever you want to use it, it untars it and uses it. All the changes are removed after use is finished. | 15:47 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: while chroot is normal chroot which gives you a environment like your system, you can use it for building anytime and it'll save all the changes you made. | 15:47 |
| === roaksoax__ is now known as andreserl | ||
| joaopinto | c2tarun, chroot can be used with a base chroot (like pbuilder does) can be used by regular (non root) users, unlike chroot | 15:51 |
| joaopinto | sbuild which is the tool used on the official archive builds is based on schroot | 15:52 |
| joaopinto | ops, I meant, schroot can be... | 15:52 |
| c2tarun | joaopinto: actually I wanted to know, what is special about schroot? I mean what is it that schroot can do and normally we cannot? | 15:53 |
| Rhonda | schroot keeps your environment and makes your home available automatically. | 15:54 |
| Rhonda | So you can run X11 applications after schroot, and do have the sources in your home still available without extra hoops to jump through. | 15:54 |
| c2tarun | Rhonda: Creating an account inside chroot will do that job too :) I guess :/ | 15:55 |
| Rhonda | Right, but that means you have root access to start out with. | 15:55 |
| Rhonda | schroot doesn't give you root access inside the chroot. | 15:56 |
| joaopinto | c2tarun, not really, that does not bind mount your real /home | 15:56 |
| Rhonda | And also creating an account doesn't bind your /home more /tmp/.X11-unix | 15:56 |
| Rhonda | s/more/nor/ | 15:56 |
| c2tarun | joaopinto: actually I don't want my real home to bind mounted :/ thats scary, all I wanted is just one folder from my home binded to one folder in chroot's home :) completely its 3-4 steps I wrote a small script for it ;) just one command now | 15:57 |
| kklimonda | hmm.. any idea why is it happening: $ pbuilder-dist dapper amd64 create | 15:58 |
| kklimonda | Unknown distribution: dapper | 15:58 |
| joaopinto | c2tarun, it is not scary if you need to do real testing with applications using your home contents :) | 15:58 |
| c2tarun | joaopinto: I copied some of my home contents :) ya but I agree for real testing we have to use our home contents :) | 15:59 |
| Rhonda | c2tarun: It's not scary if you think in terms of porter boxes like Debian does it. You don't want every Debian Developer to have root access, but still be able to test-build packages in a stable/testing/unstable environment nevertheless. | 15:59 |
| Rhonda | It's different approaches for different things. To some degree it's like su (requires target user password) versus sudo (requires source user password and can be limited to specific commands) | 16:00 |
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| * c2tarun agree with Rhonda | 16:00 | |
| c2tarun | kklimonda: why dapper? | 16:00 |
| kklimonda | I want to build package for dapper | 16:01 |
| kklimonda | why? Because I'm wondering if it still builds | 16:01 |
| micahg | kklimonda: have fun | 16:01 |
| kklimonda | micahg: well, I'm not *that* interested with EOL 3 months from now. | 16:02 |
| kklimonda | but this error is weird | 16:02 |
| acarpine | c2tarun & joapinto & rhonda: sorry people, I know you are so excited about all this stuff :)...but I actully have only pbuilder that uses a base.tgz (I hope with Natty). So what is your hint? | 16:02 |
| acarpine | c2tarun & joapinto & rhonda: I don't wanna be pedantic...just I want be sure to well understand :) | 16:02 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: build a chroot first :) | 16:05 |
| joaopinto | acarpine, you are ok | 16:06 |
| c2tarun | !chroot | 16:07 |
| ubottu | A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot | 16:07 |
| c2tarun | acarpine: ^^ | 16:07 |
| acarpine | c2tarun & joapinto & rhonda: never laughed so much... :D | 16:08 |
| acarpine | on an IRC channel | 16:08 |
| c2tarun | is there anything wrong with in.archives.ubuntu.com. apt-get is not able to connect? | 16:12 |
| === mearik_ is now known as mearik | ||
| acarpine | c2tarun rhonda joapinto: Anyway I understood that 1) I should be ok, for now, with pbuilder, but if I wanna test package "more in deep" I should check chroot or something similar. | 16:14 |
| Rhonda | acarpine: Personally I only use cowbuilder for my package building, which is actually more-or-like the same as pbuilder. | 16:15 |
| Rhonda | acarpine: I just jumped in on the chroot vs. schroot discussion to get the facts straight, that's all. :) | 16:15 |
| c2tarun | and after the discussion I'll surely give schroot a try ;) | 16:15 |
| Rhonda | acarpine: And no, you can do deeper inspection also with pbuilder. It has the --login switch. | 16:16 |
| acarpine | 2) Talking about fixing a bug with Ubuntu, we can say that the distribution where I have to upload my package is always the development release (Natty for now) | 16:17 |
| Rhonda | Practically yes, unless you have a specific fix that could go in through a SRU (Stable Release Update) | 16:17 |
| acarpine | Rhonda: just for know...how can I see if it is a specific fix? | 16:20 |
| acarpine | Rhonda: is there any specific tag? | 16:21 |
| Rhonda | If the problem that the upload tries to address is of a certain importance like affecting a big number of users in a bad way, is a security related problem and similar. | 16:21 |
| Rhonda | And then only the actual fix for that issue will get approved for the SRU. | 16:22 |
| acarpine | rhonda: clear, tks | 16:23 |
| acarpine | Rhonda c2tarun joapinto: I have to confess that I believe that all this different approaches create a certain amount of ambiguity especially for new contributors. Someone use pbuilder, others cowbuilder and maybe someone pig-builder :)... | 16:27 |
| Rhonda | pbuilder and cowbuilder are practically the same in the end. | 16:28 |
| Rhonda | They are even written by the same person. ;) | 16:28 |
| Rhonda | The difference is that pbuilder uses a tarball that it extracts every time and removes afterwards again (and thus produces a lot of disk I/O), where cowbuilder does do it with a hardlink tree and only actually creates files on write (cow - copy-on-write, and takes more diskspace because the chroot lives readily on your harddisk) | 16:29 |
| acarpine | Rhonda: yes I read in the manual, but know is more clear. | 16:33 |
| acarpine | Rhonda c2tarun joapinto: Precisely,...sometime seem that the only way for reach the goal is ask to you people. | 16:34 |
| acarpine | Rhonda c2tarun joapinto: We are lucky that you are ready to answer! :D tks people | 16:34 |
| Rhonda | Just keep in mind to not higlight a group of people with every single message - they might get annoyed. | 16:35 |
| Rhonda | … even though flattering in the hilight messages usually is acceptable. :P | 16:35 |
| hakermania | tumbleweed: New upload for package wallch + comment about the fixes... | 16:37 |
| joaopinto | eheh | 16:38 |
| * Laney rushes to beat FF ;) | 17:24 | |
| chrisccoulson_ | quick Laney, get all of those disruptive, break-the-world uploads in now :) | 17:27 |
| Laney | :-) | 17:27 |
| Laney | it *is* a Haskell library after all | 17:28 |
| hakermania | Has Debian 1) GNOME Desktop 2) KDE Deskrop 3) It's up to you | 17:29 |
| hakermania | ? | 17:29 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson_: I'm uploading that old conkeror merge, xtaran has some more improvements coming (bug fixes), so I think this is fine for now, I'll keep an eye on nit | 17:33 |
| chrisccoulson_ | micahg - cool, that's ok. although, you can do what you like with conkeror ;) | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson_ | (except depend on xulrunner-1.9.2) ;) | 17:35 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson_: the new version in Debian (not the one I'm uploading) claims to work with xul2.0 (will upload later :)) | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i thought the current one worked? it seemed to work when I tested it (although, I didn't test much) | 17:36 |
| === iulian changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Archive: feature freeze | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://bit.ly/fz6AyQ | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | ||
| Rhonda | Is there some PPA for keypass? How to search for that? | 18:36 |
| geser | Rhonda: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas but it doesn't find anything for keypass | 18:40 |
| Rhonda | bleah | 18:41 |
| Rhonda | it's keepass, I'm too stupid to search for the real thing | 18:42 |
| === ari-tczew changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Archive: feature freeze | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://bit.ly/fz6AyQ | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | Congrats to new DMB members: Laney, maco | ||
| Rhonda | \o/ Laney | 19:23 |
| Rhonda | … \o/ maco too, of course. :) | 19:24 |
| maco | :) | 19:25 |
| Rhonda | maco: It's just that I had more contact with Laney so far, wasn't meant to belittle you. :) | 19:28 |
| maco | Rhonda: thants fine :) i figured he was your friend | 19:31 |
| Rhonda | In a rather general, facebook-generation definition of the term, yes. :) | 19:33 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: Can you advocate packages? | 19:48 |
| Rhonda | Technically yes, I could. | 19:48 |
| hakermania | can you see: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch ? It needs advocation from second MOTU :) micahg has already given one :) | 19:49 |
| micahg | hakermania: actually, I think I have to review it again since there are changes | 19:50 |
| * micahg thought tumbleweed was going to upload it, oh well | 19:50 | |
| hakermania | micahg: Not a lot of changes..... | 19:50 |
| micahg | hakermania: I'll look it over again after the xubuntu meeting | 19:51 |
| hakermania | when is it? | 19:51 |
| micahg | hakermania: now :) | 19:52 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( could I get away with claiming that I trust micahg and just ACK it? ) | 19:54 | |
| micahg | Rhonda: please don't, I'm still green WRT a few issues | 19:55 |
| Rhonda | :) | 19:55 |
| micahg | Rhonda: I have learned a lot since I started packaging, but there's still a ton more for me to learn | 19:55 |
| hakermania | Rhonda: cruel man xD | 19:58 |
| ari-tczew | !FF | 19:58 |
| ubottu | firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins - See also !firefox-3.5 | 19:58 |
| ari-tczew | !FFe | 19:58 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 19:58 |
| micahg | !msgthebot > ari-tczew | 19:58 |
| ubottu | ari-tczew, please see my private message | 19:58 |
| micahg | hakermania: Rhonda is a woman BTW :) | 20:00 |
| === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT | ||
| hakermania | micahg, Rhonda: oooops :-[ | 20:23 |
| hakermania | Good night everyone | 21:04 |
| ScottK | http://static02.mediaite.com/geekosystem/uploads/2011/02/watson.jpeg | 22:02 |
| iulian | :-) | 22:05 |
| ari-tczew | ScottK: this is cjwatson? | 22:10 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: http://www-943.ibm.com/innovation/us/watson/ | 22:10 |
| ScottK | Different watson. | 22:10 |
| ari-tczew | ah | 22:11 |
| alucardni | guys what can we do to include the patch attached to LP Bug #546581 in Glibc? The patch has been in upstream bugzilla for almost 6 months. | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 546581 in GLibC "Incorrect LC_MONETARY symbol of es_NI.utf-8" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546581 | 23:07 |
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