[00:17] <fta> micahg, downgrading openarena from -7 to -5 fixed the regression \o/
[00:17] <micahg> fta: what  was the regression again?
[00:18] <fta> freeze on quit after a network game (always) and occasionally during a game
[00:20] <fta> dpkg --get-selections | grep openarena | sed -e 's/install/hold/' | dpkg --set-selections
[00:26] <Dimmuxx> what's the plan for firefox 5,6,7.. in natty? Will it get them when they are released or will it be 4.0.1+ instead?
[00:28] <micahg> Dimmuxx: err, well, we'll see :)
[00:28] <micahg> Firefox will probably be updated, xulrunner may or may not follow
[00:29] <Dimmuxx> yeah I'm not so sure we will see 5 before 11.10 anyways ;)
[00:29] <micahg> acoording to their plan, we should see 6 by then :)
[00:29] <micahg> but we can discuss 11.10 at UDS :)
[00:30] <Dimmuxx> yeah I've seen the plan but they usually don't follow their plans. Hopefully 4 is final before 11.04 at least
[02:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I seem to recall a guide to porting to xul 2.0 somewhere, do you know where?
[02:15] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - i don't think there's a guide as such
[02:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: did you write something?
[02:15] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - i wanted to, but never got round to it ;)
[02:15] <micahg> ah, hmm, I failed twice on porting last night
[02:15] <chrisccoulson_> what did you try with?
[02:16] <micahg> libjavascript-perl and libjdic-java (this one I was closer on)
[02:16] <chrisccoulson_> heh :)
[02:16] <chrisccoulson_> i'm finding that pretty much anything which uses spidermonkey needs fairly significant changes
[02:17] <chrisccoulson_> gxine is a good example there ;)
[02:17] <chrisccoulson_> and google-gadgets, which i just gave up on in the end
[02:17] <micahg> yes, that's libjavascript-perl, I seem to just be having path issues with libjdic-java
[03:23] <micahg> fta: http://people.ubuntu.com/~micahg/, can you try these rebuilds?  I think Debian bumped the deps improperly
[10:43] <nonix4> micahg: setting network.dnsCacheEntries and network.dnsCacheExpiration to zero does make it send a dns query for bugs.launchpad.net, but it still doesn't even attempt to connect. Doing that I noticed another bug: right-click->reset on those setting resets type to string instead of integer in a way that prevents changing it back to integer from the UI later on.
[13:26] <fta> chrisccoulson_, http://src.chromium.org/svn/branches/648/src/chrome/browser/resources/gpu_blacklist.json
[13:27] <fta> is there something equivalent in ff?
[13:28] <chrisccoulson_> fta - yeah, sort of
[13:28] <chrisccoulson_> fta - firefox is using a whitelist instead, and only whitelists the binary NVIDIA driver atm
[13:28] <chrisccoulson_> (and it's hardcoded too, although it can be overridden)
[13:30] <fta> hm
[13:35] <fta> chrisccoulson_, btw, did you have time to have a look at breakpad just yet?
[13:35] <fta> chrisccoulson_, sorry for being pushy, i'd like to have it for ch10 which is arriving soon
[13:36] <chrisccoulson_> fta - i started, but i've not spent much time on it yet. i've been given lots of alpha 3 bugs to fix this week
[13:36] <fta> oh
[13:36] <chrisccoulson_> (all the dbusmenu related crashes) ;)
[13:47] <fta> chrisccoulson_, yep, makes sense. fixing crashes take precedence over reporting them better ;)
[13:47] <fta> +s
[18:56] <asac> fta: hey :) ... whats the take of chromium-browser + jpeg-turbo ... did that happen at some point?
[19:02] <chrisccoulson_> hi asac!
[19:02] <asac> hey chrisccoulson_ !
[19:02] <asac> chrisccoulson_: do you know if mozilla is looking at jpeg-turbo?
[19:02] <chrisccoulson_> asac - how are you?
[19:02] <asac> great :)
[19:02] <chrisccoulson_> i'm not sure about the jpeg-turbo question ;)
[19:04] <chrisccoulson_> asac - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573948
[19:05] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 573948 in ImageLib "Replace libjpeg with libjpeg-turbo" [Normal,Assigned]
[19:10] <asac> let me check
[19:16] <fta> asac, it's in trunk, so ch11 has it
[19:18] <fta> oh, it's been reverted
[19:18] <micahg> fta: did you get my message about openarena?
[19:20] <fta> asac, reverted because of valgrind: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=72399
[19:20] <fta> micahg, yep, what did you change?
[19:21] <micahg> fta: it was built against a different version of ioquake then it's running against
[19:21] <LLStarks> hmm. is the addressbar on the add-on list tab staying or going?
[19:25] <fta> micahg, i'm on i386 here :(
[19:25] <micahg> fta: np, I can rebuild for that too :)
[19:26] <fta> ok
[19:26] <asac> fta: chrisccoulson_: thanks ... do you know if there are similar efforts to try jpeg8 ?
[19:27] <fta> asac, iirc, this is slower
[19:28] <fta> asac, btw, are you still working on arm?
[19:28] <asac> sure its slower
[19:28] <asac> yes
[19:28] <asac> we are trying to decide if we want to invest all in turbo now
[19:28] <fta> asac, bug 716703 needs love
[19:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 716703 in chromium-browser "chromium-browser not built PIE on ARM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716703
[19:28] <asac> rathre than making jpeg blazingly fast
[19:28] <asac> we have no browser unit :((
[19:28] <asac> not yet
[19:28] <asac> thast toolchain, right?
[19:29] <asac> is that the security feature?
[19:29] <fta> yes
[19:29] <asac> guess there is no small test case or something?
[19:29] <fta> nope
[19:29] <asac> if i had a testcase i could have someone fix it quick
[19:29] <asac> damn
[19:30] <fta> assignee:	 Canonical Desktop Team (canonical-desktop-team) → Canonical ARM (canonical-arm)
[19:30] <fta> milestone:	 natty-alpha-3 → ubuntu-11.04-beta
[19:30] <fta> but no one reacted so far
[19:33] <asac> fta: its not even filed against toolchain
[19:33] <asac> well pitti answered ;)
[19:33] <asac> i will check with steve
[19:34] <asac> fta: its actually in our porting queue ;)
[19:34] <asac> added: arm-porting-queue
[19:34] <asac> so eventually someone will look at that from linaro
[20:11] <fta> new dbus broken??
[20:11] <fta>  /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:29:33: fatal error: dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h: No such file or directory
[20:13] <micahg> fta: it's in the same package
[20:13] <fta> it was
[20:14] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65086027/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.chromium-browser_11.0.672.2~r75134-0ubuntu1~ucd~dev2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:19] <fta> hm, maybe the -ubuntu2 fixed it
[20:49] <gnomefreak> is thunderbird the default email client even though it is not installed by default?
[20:49] <gnomefreak> it seems evo is no longer installed by default
[21:01] <micahg> fta: openarena i386 on my p.u.c page
[21:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: nope
[21:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah i found it. evolution-common is installed by default rather than evolution, but ubuntu-desktop still lists evolution as a recommends not evolution-common
[21:03] <micahg> no, evolution is the recommends in 1.215
[21:06] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy evolution
[21:06] <gnomefreak> evolution: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.32.2-0ubuntu2
[21:06] <gnomefreak> i never removed it
[21:06] <gnomefreak> and neither did apt
[21:07] <gnomefreak> see where im getting confused
[21:07] <micahg> yep
[21:11] <fta> gnomefreak, you probably removed it with a dist-upgrade earlier today, check your /var/log/apt/history.log
[21:46] <fta> micahg, same, it freezes
[21:46] <micahg> fta: ok, thanks, now at least I know the build ioquake version isn't the issue
[21:47] <micahg> fta: are you using the old openarena with the new ioquake?
[21:47] <fta> micahg, ioquake from natty, and your openarena
[21:48] <micahg> fta: right, but when you downgrade to 0.8.5-5, that's with the new ioquake as well, right?
[21:48] <fta> micahg, -5 doesn't need ioquake3
[21:48] <micahg> weird
[21:48] <fta> -5 works well without any ioquake
[21:49] <micahg> fta: ok, I have to dig further, I'll pull both versions and diff and see if there's anything obvious
[21:49] <micahg> fta: would you mind filing a bug for me so I don't forget?
[21:49] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  716454 2010-10-15 23:14 openarena_0.8.5-5_i386.deb
[21:49] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   31708 2011-02-14 11:05 openarena_0.8.5-7_i386.deb
[21:49] <fta> way smaller
[21:52] <micahg> yeah, they switched from an internal engine to ioquake3 so they didn't have to support the bundled library any more
[21:52] <micahg> is debian 611336 what you're seeing?
[21:52] <ubot2> Debian bug 611336 in openarena "openarena: The game does not quit when I confirm it." [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/611336
[21:57] <fta> bug 724595
[21:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 724595 in openarena "new openarena freezes on quit, or during games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724595
[21:58] <micahg> i wonder if this is it: https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4893
[21:58] <ubot2> bugzilla.icculus.org bug 4893 in Misc "[botlib] AAS_PredictRoute segfaults reported in oa_dm1" [Normal,New]
[21:58] <fta> micahg, the debian description matches but it's with 0.8.5-5 which has been fine for me for months
[21:58] <micahg> fta: right, which makes me think it's a bug in the ioquake engine
[21:58] <fta> maybe
[21:59] <fta> from the terminal; it's looping on something
[21:59] <micahg> fta: ok, I'll create a package with the patch in this upstream bug and we can see if that helps