[00:00] <iheartubuntu> Money and Excel are the two things holding her from final Ubuntu conversion.
[00:01] <akk> Does she do really elaborate excel macros that OO calc can't do?
[00:01] <akk> Taxes are a hassle too -- you can keep your finances on linux but you can't run a tax program.
[00:02] <iheartubuntu> akk - i cannot comment. im not well versed on excel or spreadsheet programs, but when trying to use openoffice she gets frustrated with doing intricate calculations and says OO wont let her do the same ones excel does
[00:02] <pleia2> crossover office isn't horrible
[00:03] <iheartubuntu> isnt that codeweavers? i thought they shut down
[00:03] <pleia2> yeah, they're still alive and well
[00:04] <pleia2> just made another major release a few weeks back
[00:04] <akk> Yep, and they're a good company.
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> she is an accountant so all her excel stuff is tax related calculations she creates
[00:05] <akk> Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear OO doesn't handle deep/advanced excel calcs
[00:05] <akk> just like OO writer doesn't handle the more advanced Word stuff.
[00:05] <pleia2> kmymoney2 is pretty good for basic household stuff, my boyfriend uses gnumeric but that's a bit more complicated because it requires double-entry accounting
[00:05] <pleia2> honestly I use mint.com for the non-profit accounting I have to do
[00:06] <pleia2> I worked on ledgersmb for a time, but there simply aren't enough developers interested in finance programs, and the problem is a big one because all these applications attempt to have international support
[00:06] <akk> Probably more developers outside the US anyway
[00:06] <pleia2> and admittedly I was paid to work on ledgersmb, I have accounting experience but it's not what I do for fun
[00:06] <akk> at least that seems to be true for most projects these days.
[00:07] <pleia2> for ledgersmb they were really spread out, and so were the users, so they spent a considerable amount of time handling internationalization bugs
[00:07] <pleia2> currencies, taxes, vat and non-vat
[00:08] <pleia2> too much work for such a small dev team :(
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> codeweavers = excel 2007 --> rated silver. codeweavers promises silver rating upgraded to gold with each new release. last updated 2008.
[00:08] <akk> Yeah, that would be a huge job.
[00:09] <iheartubuntu> mint.com is nice, i agree. but im not a fan of much data getting shared with others. the least the better for us
[00:10] <pleia2> yeah, putting data in the cloud is dicey enough for a lot of people, let alone all their financial data :)
[00:10] <akk> Yeah, that's the problem with all the web tax solutions.
[00:10] <iheartubuntu> it feels like we are getting pushed to the cloud.
[00:11] <iheartubuntu> Money has some online stuff now i think, instead of maintaining their offline software.
[00:11] <pleia2> yeah, mint is owned by the quickbook folks
[00:19] <iheartubuntu> according to MS website, they have created a "sunset" version of money which cannot connect to banks. its used primarily to store old data. it then directs people to use a mint like website instead (owned by ms of course)
[00:20] <akk> Can't honestly say I'd be much happier managing my money on MS software (which might be phoning home at any time) than on a website.
[00:21] <iheartubuntu> agreed
[00:21] <iheartubuntu> kmymoney looks decent
[00:21] <akk> Plus worrying about malware on the machine having access to all that financial data.
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> im probably more concerned then she is
[00:22] <akk> Naturally ... you can't be overly concerned about that stuff and still be a windows user.
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> theres a bunch of programs popping up... moneyguru, wxbanker, and older ones like gnucash, kmymoney, etc
[00:24] <iheartubuntu> kmymoney looks to be the most in depth and closest to ms money
[00:25] <iheartubuntu> its even available for windows and mac users
[00:25] <akk> There used to be a pay one (but not expensive) that a lot of people liked ... Moneydance?
[00:25] <nhaines> I hear very good things about Moneydance, but it is not Free.
[00:26] <iheartubuntu> ive heard if it
[00:26] <iheartubuntu> i recall it was also similar to ms money
[00:27] <iheartubuntu> this might be the way for us to go since i cannot get kmymoney to connect to online banks.
[00:32] <iheartubuntu> moneydance looks very nice and polished
[01:48] <dbb> hi all- does anyone happen to know how.. I want to encrypt and sign a file, using gpg, and the public/private keys in my .ssh dir
[02:28] <jtatum> dbb: gpg and ssh keys are separate things.. i don't think you can encrypt a file with an ssh key
[02:28] <dbb> jtatum: yeah, I am finding that out
[02:28] <dbb> openssl enc  does encrypt things
[02:29] <dbb> I thought I could make use of this .ssh/identity.pub thing
[02:29] <dbb> slogging through pages still
[02:30] <jtatum> good luck
[02:31] <dbb> that doesnt sound good
[02:31] <jtatum> :)
[03:56] <iheartubuntu> they have a complete idiots guide to google chrome and chrome os already. thats fast.
[03:59] <iheartubuntu> nice article lyz
[04:14] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: thanks :) helpful?
[04:15] <iheartubuntu> yes, actually before i read it i had just applied
[04:15] <pleia2> yay
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> we'll see. i really enjoy being part of ubuntu in some way. cant wait to get an ubuntu hour going :) i want to see how the expo goes for me this weekend before trying an ubuntu hour
[04:22] <iheartubuntu> ohh great, my biorhythm chart shows intellectual levels at an all time low during SCALE weekend. :|
[04:22] <iheartubuntu> im just warning everyone now
[04:22] <iheartubuntu> "p
[04:23] <pleia2> no worries, real life meetings are where I aways fear that everyone will find out I only seem smart online because I have instant access to google :)
[04:26] <akk> Ah, hence the smartphone.
[04:27] <akk> "Hmm, interesting question..." (turns her back for a moment ... what's she doing there?) "Hmm, what if you did this?"
[04:27] <pleia2> haha, yes, no one will find out my secret with my handy addroid assistant! ;)
[04:27] <pleia2> android too
[04:28] <pleia2> my living room is a mess, need to figure out how I'm going to get this all into my suitcase
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> just google it
[04:44] <iheartubuntu> here is an article from today regarding mint.com - http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2011-02-22-financial-software-safety_N.htm
[05:36] <iheartubuntu> has anyone ever heard of a bitcoin?
[05:47] <nhaines> Yup.
[06:04] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you could use Infinity PFM, that personal finance management software has Bitcoin support.  http://www.infinitypfm.org/
[06:28] <MarkDude> Anyone need a ride down to Scale tomorrow?
[06:29] <pleia2> no, but wanna swing by and pick up all this stuff I'm trying to stuff into a suitcase? :D
[06:30] <pleia2> actually, I'll have to bring it home too so I might as well bring it all myself
[06:30] <pleia2> inflatable penguin, check!
[06:31]  * MarkDude would fall in love with the Penguin
[06:32] <pleia2> lol
[06:32] <pleia2> you can dance together at scale
[16:59] <iheartubuntu> I was working last night on burning CDs...do we want any 64 bit versions? I could see some people being interested in those as well.
[17:00] <jamiedmattingly> how can you tell if te version you are using is 32 or 64 bit?
[17:01] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, yes- always need a few 64- mmost folks are ok with specialty CDs being burned on the spot
[17:02] <iheartubuntu> i was going to burn 50 cds total. ive got 25 of the 32 bit done, how many 64 bit should i make do you think?
[17:02] <jamiedmattingly> my home computer is dual booted with 64 bit windows 7 and ubuntu but i cant remember if i used 32 or 64 bit ubuntu is there a way of finding out which version you have?
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> System > About Ubuntu
[17:03] <MarkDude> 3-5 maybe
[17:03] <jamiedmattingly> that would say 32 or 64 bit?
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> thaazzzzittt?
[17:03] <MarkDude> 64
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> hmmm. that did not mention 64 bit
[17:04] <MarkDude> we had very little interest in it last year
[17:04] <iheartubuntu> jamiedmattingly try System > Admin > System Monitor
[17:04] <iheartubuntu> the first tab of system monitor labeled "system" will tell you if you have 32 or 64
[17:05] <iheartubuntu> (i think)
[17:05] <iheartubuntu> i could have sworn it did
[17:05] <MarkDude> imho- more people would use 64 if they knew why
[17:05] <iheartubuntu> on my 32 bit here at work it doesnt say
[17:05] <MarkDude> But seen very little requests for it
[17:06] <jamiedmattingly> mine doesnt say here either will check when i get home
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> i use 64 whenever i am capable of so
[17:07] <MarkDude> 4 gigs of RAm+ folks should use it
[17:07] <MarkDude> and then we can get ready in this channel for FLash -64 bit questions :P
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> jamiedmattingly - open up a terminal and type "uname -m"
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> if it says i686 you are using 32 bit
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> if it says x86_64 then its 64 bit
[17:10] <jamiedmattingly> thanks iheartubuntu
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> np
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> (thanks google)
[17:12]  * MarkDude is driving down to LA this afternoon- anyone need a ride?
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> i see what you mean about feeling smart pleia2
[17:13]  * MarkDude will NOT be wearing the Penguin suit while driving :D
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> DANG
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> i was going to stand on the 101 and take photos
[17:13] <MarkDude> Well - I dont even have the suit
[17:14] <MarkDude> it is being brought in by a friend
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> Please, if you are driving an old vw bus, stay to the right.
[17:15]  * iheartubuntu had to ALWAYS stay to the right in his '74
[17:16] <MarkDude> Nope driving Ryan's car
[17:17] <iheartubuntu> is everyone who is coming down staying at the hilton?
[17:17] <iheartubuntu> does anyone know what the parking is like there? free at all? :)
[17:18] <akk> The hotel last year had very expensive parking. I'd assume the Hilton is the same way.
[17:18] <akk> (Though maybe there's a discount if you're staying there.)
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> one website says its $8 a day
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> thats cheap if thats true
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> if you are driving in check this page: http://www.airport-la.com/parking/lot.php?id=12
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> one of the testimonials says $8 a day for self parking.
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> dont know how old that is though
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> also has some driving tips to find the parking at the bottom of the page
[17:29] <iheartubuntu> * you may have to purchase the parking in advance from that site to get that rate.
[17:29] <iheartubuntu> lemme call Paris Hilton directly
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> akk - you are right!
[17:34] <akk> Last year SCALE validated parking tickets and ended up around $8.
[17:34] <nhaines> Parking is $20 a day.
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> i just called Hilton LAX and its $22 a day
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> for self parking
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> i found this website.. http://www.airportparkinglax.net/
[17:35] <akk> Ouch! I hope they validate again (though it won't help you if you're going tonight).
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> if you book all 3 days online its only $9 a day
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> (have to order at least two days worth of parking tho)
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> ohh sorry, no in and out privileges
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> yikes
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> nhaines does scale offer any discount on parking/
[17:37] <pleia2> hopefully everything we do will be walkable anyway since most people won't have cars
[17:38] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I'm asking about that now.
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> thanks
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> does anyone know where the UDS after the Budapest one will be? Someplace in the US?
[17:39] <nhaines> Yes.
[17:43] <pleia2> we won't know exact location for several months (there are rumors about orlando again, but who knows)
[17:44]  * nhaines votes for Los Angeles.
[17:45] <pleia2> nhaines: it's not a democracy, it's a canonical-puts-it-where-they-want-ocracy!
[17:45] <pleia2> ;)
[17:45] <akk> A shuttlocracy?
[17:46] <nhaines> pleia2: then I've been keeping the spare chads for nothing!
[17:48] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: SCaLE will be offering parking validation, which will bring parking fees to $9 per day.
[17:48] <iheartubuntu> amazing! thank you
[17:50] <nhaines> I have practically everything ready now for Ubucon.  I just have to pack for the weekend tonight.  In fact I've already started going through archive footage to get images to put up on ubucon.org about last year.
[17:52] <nhaines> You know, running a conference is hard work.  That's why I start every day with a healthy serving of Ubunter-Os.  It gives me the energy I need to think sharp and feel great.
[17:52] <nhaines> Ubunter-Os.  Energy for human beings.
[17:52] <pleia2> nhaines: ubunteros are people
[17:54] <nhaines> pleia2: spoiler alert!
[17:57] <jtatum> hm, i thought orlando was confirmed
[17:57] <jtatum> but maybe i'm confusing rumors with confirmed :)
[17:58] <nhaines> pleia2: "Energy *from* human beings"?
[18:00] <pleia2> I think that's just called extroversion
[18:01] <nhaines> ha
[18:01] <akk> or The Matrix
[18:05] <MarkDude> Hopefully they annouce the UDS times earlier than they did last time. Had I known earlier- i might have made it. I could have been sponsored my a person in FL
[18:05] <MarkDude> by
[18:06] <MarkDude> Was a bummer, I had the ability to plan for some stuff THIS Summer, before the detail on UDS came out
[18:06] <pleia2> they announced the dates waaaay before, it's always the location that's undetermined
[18:06] <MarkDude> Uh yes
[18:06] <MarkDude> If it is FL
[18:06] <pleia2> so I just block off the dates and then when the location gets announced (this time they did it a full 6 months ahead of time!) I decide from there
[18:07]  * MarkDude can go
[18:07] <MarkDude> since it will be paid for by someone else
[18:07] <MarkDude> takes a bit to set it up
[18:07] <MarkDude> Ohio, not so much
[18:08]  * MarkDude has a sponsor for a charitable group in FL- I will go this Summer most likely, I am sure after I make plans- they will announce UDS will be there
[18:08] <MarkDude> :)
[18:13] <iheartubuntu> they should do it in Pasadena :)
[18:14] <iheartubuntu> the conference halls under the Pasadena civic auditorium are all new and look amazing, plus tons of things to do around there within walking distance
[18:14] <jamiedmattingly> what is uds?
[18:14] <pleia2> ubuntu developer summit
[18:15] <jamiedmattingly> wow when is that?
[18:15] <pleia2> they are held twice a year, the next one is May 9-13
[18:15] <pleia2> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[18:16]  * MarkDude secretly thinks they wont have it on this coast- since we are so uppity and activist types out here
[18:18] <pleia2> not sure if you're joking, but they've had 2 UDSes in mountain view
[18:19] <iheartubuntu> jamiedmattingly - are you going to scale this weekend?
[18:20] <jamiedmattingly> no i cant this year sounds funny but my wife wont let me go
[18:20] <jamiedmattingly> im trying to plan ahead so i can go next year
[18:21] <pleia2> MarkDude: the last was in 2008, so they aren't avoiding california for any reason, 2009 was texas, 2010 was florida, coming back to california would show favoritism if anything ;)
[18:22] <jamiedmattingly> she is letting me go to the linux foundation event in april prolly cause i gave her enough notice
[18:22] <jamiedmattingly> if UDS is in california i could try to plan for that also
[18:22] <iheartubuntu> where is the linux foundation event?
[18:23] <jamiedmattingly> kabuki hotel in sf
[18:24] <iheartubuntu> so i know i'll get hell for my iphone, but isnt apple using linux sorta kinda? unix at least? even though its now closed source
[18:24] <jamiedmattingly> first week in apr id have to check for exact date pleia2 told me bout it
[18:24] <jamiedmattingly> i heard part of there syste was linux based but dont know for sure
[18:25] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: a bsd kernel, it's "unix-like" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
[18:25] <pleia2> the diagram on that wiki page is helpful :)
[18:25] <MarkDude> pleia2, I know- that was  the reason it wont be here again
[18:25] <MarkDude> the whisper I heard
[18:25] <pleia2> MarkDude: ah, so "uppity and activist" was a joke :)
[18:25] <iheartubuntu> has anyone been to a linuxcon before?
[18:25] <pleia2> sometimes I can't tell with you!
[18:26] <jamiedmattingly> never heard of it iheartubuntu but still new to this
[18:26] <jamiedmattingly> is it in california also?
[18:26] <iheartubuntu> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/
[18:29] <MarkDude> pleia2, I am not sure- THAT was the reason given to me by a few people
[18:29] <jamiedmattingly> ah so canada then huh? you going iheartubuntu?
[18:31] <iheartubuntu> jamiedmattingly -  i have no idea :)
[18:31] <jtatum> pleia2:  os x derives from bsd, both can actually call themselves unix due to the sys v heritage. but i think generally the set of unix like oses includes unices as well :)
[18:31] <iheartubuntu> i'll look into it all tho
[18:32] <pleia2> yeah, unix-like includes unix
[18:32]  * MarkDude thinks there is a great need for a sarcasm font
[18:32]  * MarkDude would NOT have been using it earlier :)
[18:32] <MarkDude> Might make it easier
[20:00] <pleia2> I couldn't just have a calm day today, could I?
[20:01] <jamiedmattingly> nah that'd be too easy pleia2
[20:02] <pleia2> :)
[20:03] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  you ever see the movie torque?
[20:03] <pleia2> nope
[20:04] <jamiedmattingly> it was kindof like a fast and furious movie but with motor cycles
[20:04] <jamiedmattingly> my favorite quote is from that movie.
[20:04]  * pleia2 never saw that either
[20:05] <jamiedmattingly> they are trapped in the back of a storage truck being hunted by an outlaw biker gang and the feds and one guy says to the other
[20:05] <jamiedmattingly> "i know you said if it was easy it wouldnt be much fun, but does it have to be this much fun"
[20:06] <pleia2> hehe
[20:07] <jamiedmattingly> the movie for the most part was kinda chessy but it had its moments
[22:32] <nhaines> Hmm, now http://ubucon.org/scale/scale8x/ is looking good.
[22:59] <erichammond> nhaines: Don't you mean http://ubucon.org/scale/scale9x/
[22:59] <erichammond> I wish it wasn't on a Friday.
[23:10] <nhaines> erichammond: no, that's been up since Monday.  scale8x is the new update.  :)
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> very nice
[23:23] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I wanted to consolidate.  Now I have to make an "Ubucon SCaLE" series landing page or something, but it's a start.