[00:42] <TheMuso> Anybody around? I have a quick question. THere is new upstrae code in Debian's git for ardour, but it hasn't yet been uploaded to Debian. Should I grab it and upload it? Only have a short while till feature freeze.
[00:42] <holstein> TheMuso: whats the #?
[00:42] <holstein> i cant imagine why not
[00:42] <holstein> ardour is stable
[00:42] <TheMuso> holstein: The # of what?
[00:42] <holstein> IF it doesnt break anything else
[00:42] <holstein> or need anything else
[00:43] <holstein> TheMuso: i was wondering if you could see the verion
[00:43] <holstein> easily
[00:43] <holstein> ScottL: ping ^^
[00:43] <TheMuso> The version of what?
[00:43] <holstein> ardour?
[00:43] <holstein> is it a rev?
[00:44] <holstein> or just fixes?
[00:44] <TheMuso> Hrm maybe not, seems the new package is not ready according to git log.
[00:44] <TheMuso> Its a rev.
[00:44] <TheMuso> r8077.
[00:44] <holstein> hmmm
[00:45] <holstein> i guess if it aint ready
[00:45] <holstein> and, if it aint broke, dont fix it right?
[00:47] <TheMuso> yep
[01:04] <ScottL> hi TheMuso 
[01:04] <TheMuso> Hey ScottL.
[01:05] <ScottL> do you think you will have time for one more round of changes to the seeds
[01:05] <ScottL> sorry to keep bothering you about it TheMuso but dvdstyler pullled in some rather unwanted packages (beyond the libavcodec business)
[01:06] <TheMuso> ScottL: So remove it?
[01:06] <ScottL> and i wanted to add zynjacku for the lv2rack package
[01:06] <ScottL> i have a list, let me check it quickly to make sure nothing is being forgotten
[01:07] <TheMuso> ok
[01:08] <ScottL> TheMuso, yes, that was it, i think the plan would be to add zynjacku to the audio-common seed and remove dvdstyler from video seed
[01:08] <TheMuso> ok will do.
[01:08] <ScottL> TheMuso, also, what did the merge that cjwatson propose do for ffmpeg?
[01:08] <TheMuso> Cleaned up ffmpeg related packages that got onto the disks.
[01:09] <ScottL> was it the libavcodec stuff?
[01:09] <TheMuso> yes
[01:09] <ScottL> and that you for updating the seeds again, TheMuso , unless we continue to have failed installs i don't think it will change again for natty
[01:10] <TheMuso> OK cool.
[01:10] <TheMuso> and no problem.
[01:10] <ScottL> TheMuso, how do you feel about me learning the rest of updating the seeds so you don't have to be bothered with this everytime?
[01:10] <ScottL> and did you see cjwatson's suggested about using libavcoded*-extras-* from multiverse?
[01:11] <TheMuso> Sure, I'll do it now as I've already started, but next time, let me know and I'll walk you through it.
[01:11] <ScottL> TheMuso, i've done it through germinate but i have never uploaded to the repos yet and i don't believe i have rights, even for just ubuntu studio packages
[01:11] <TheMuso> No I don't think you do.
[01:11] <ScottL> persia had told me when i felt comfortable to ask for them, and in some cases i do, like the -menu package and a few others
[01:12] <ScottL> but others still worry me a bit
[01:15] <ScottL> it's interesting about ardour though, but paul usually posts when there is a new ardour release and i haven't seen anything about it
[01:16] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:24] <ScottL> holstein, after this week i'm going to start up backporting again, are you up for working on rakarrack together?
[01:24] <ScottL> and maybe working on fixing the menu together as well?
[01:25] <ScottL> although the menu update should wait until the.muso finishes the seeds update and it propagates 
[01:26] <holstein> ScottL: yes
[01:26] <holstein> i think if you're up for some hand-holding
[01:26] <holstein> i can learn how to be more helpful with it all in the future
[01:29] <TheMuso> ScottL: done
[01:35] <ScottL> holstein, you'll do fine :)  it's actually pretty easy if there aren't dependency problems and i think i looked and most of ours shouldn't be
[01:35] <ScottL> TheMuso, wow, thanks :)  i don't know what we would do without you
[01:36] <TheMuso> You'd manage/get another MOTU to help you.
[01:36] <holstein> nah, you're the only one TheMuso :)
[01:37] <holstein> ScottL: you checked out http://harmonyseq.wordpress.com/ ?
[01:37] <holstein> very cool
[01:37] <TheMuso> holstein: Well, depending on whether I get a renewed interest in studio, the plan is to eventually withdraw completely.
[01:37] <holstein> TheMuso: just let me know if i can do anything
[01:38] <holstein> to help keep you interested
[01:38] <TheMuso> holstein: sure
[01:38] <TheMuso> heh ok
[01:38] <TheMuso> Its just a matter of having so many other things on my plate, and those things being somewhat more important to me atm.
[01:38] <holstein> i hear you
[01:39] <holstein> but, i appreciate your time helping ScottL on the backend
[01:41] <ScottL> TheMuso, i realize that i do use you like a crutch for such things as updating seeds, pushing patches and i've decided that i do need to expand into using other MOTU's for help
[01:41] <TheMuso> ScottL: I don't mind, if I have the time.
[01:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, oh, jono mentioned you again by name in his latest Linux Format article on unity, he wields your name as a power :)
[01:42] <TheMuso> heh right
[01:43] <TheMuso> I should really track these articles down...
[01:43] <ScottL> "we realized we had alot of work to do for accessability on Unity, so we had Luke Y. head it up"   like there, it's taken care of ;)
[01:44] <ScottL> TheMuso, i have membership with LXF and have access to the pdf's, i'll send then to you sometime
[01:44] <TheMuso> ah ok, no its fine
[01:53] <ScottL> TheMuso, it's no problem really, i have both of the magazines in the loo right now so i know which number they are, it won't take any effort really to get it from the website
[01:54] <ScottL> holstein, harmonySEQ looks quite nice actually for live music, better than seq24 really
[01:54] <holstein> thats what im thinking
[01:54] <holstein> i was saying, i really havent figured out seq24
[01:55] <holstein> and there is a button
[01:55] <holstein> the one with the hammer i think?
[01:55] <holstein> when i click that
[01:55] <holstein> bad things happen
[01:55] <holstein> and, i dont really know how to use it
[01:55] <holstein> i spent about 4 minutes with Hseq
[01:55] <holstein> and had something resembling music
[02:10] <ScottL> holstein, i followed [lsd]'s (i wish he wouldn't use the brackets, they're hard to type) tutorial, it was like *magic* (did you see my eyes light up when i typed that?)
[02:11] <holstein> hehe
[02:11] <holstein> yeah, he is my go-to guy for most everything
[02:11] <holstein> all the tutorials on his site have been helpful
[02:59] <ailo> ScottL: ping
[03:01] <ailo> I hear someone in the ubuntu-artwork team was interested in working with UbuntuStudio theme.
[03:11] <ScottL> ailo, really?
[03:11] <ailo> Just slept off some beers I had earlier. It's embarrassing that I'm still not finished with the -controls. I'll do it over the next few hours.
[03:11] <ScottL> ailo, dick macinnis from dream studio (ubuntu studio derivative) emailed me about artwork and art director/lead
[03:12] <ScottL> i should blog about looking for an art director/lead tomorrow as well (i should have done it tuesday but was ill)
[03:12] <ScottL> i told dick i'd like to wait no longer than 2 weeks to make a decision after the blog post
[03:12] <ailo> ScottL: A guy named cozziemoto says he emailed you. Don't know if that's the same guy.
[03:12] <ScottL> ailo, do you konw who was interested in ubuntu-artwork?
[03:13] <ScottL> cozziemoto isn't the same guy, i'll check email again
[03:15] <ScottL> eh, can't find an email but i'll look for cozziemoto in #ubuntu-artwork and talk to him if i can
[03:15] <ailo> ScottL: Sorry, I meant AustinDanger
[03:15] <ailo> You can see some discussion about that in the logs
[03:15] <ailo> About -11h from now
[03:15] <ailo> in #ubuntu-artwork
[03:16] <ScottL> i think i have austin's email then :)
[03:16] <ScottL> i just haven't responded, probably tomorrow morning i shall answer a few emails
[03:16] <ScottL> tonight i want to work on the -lowlatency kernel per abogani1 's instructions
[03:31] <scott-upstairs> abogani1, i have some more questions for you (sorry for needing so much hand holding)
[03:31] <scott-upstairs> abogani1, i see three debian folders
[03:32] <scott-upstairs> 1) debian 2) debian.lowlatency and 3) debian.master
[03:32] <scott-upstairs> the /debian directory doesn't have a changelog
[03:33] <scott-upstairs> you told me i should be in /debian.lowlatency to udpate changelog but when i run debuild -S -sa it says it can find the debian/changelog and when i rename the folder to get around that it says there is no rules file
[03:33] <scott-upstairs> the /debian file has the rules file
[03:34] <scott-upstairs> the /debian.master has changelog but no rules files
[03:34] <ailo> scott-upstairs: There's some symbolic links in the debian.lowlatency folders. Aren't they going to the right places?
[03:34] <scott-upstairs> i would presume that i can rename the /debian.lowlatency to /debian (after renaming the /debian directory) and copy the rules file from the renamed /debian folder
[03:35] <scott-upstairs> ailo, i didn't see any symbolic links in nautilus :(
[03:36] <scott-upstairs> i suppose it would help me if i knew the purposes of all the different folders and what is tried to be accomplished
[03:36] <ailo> scott-upstairs: In debian.lowlatency, changelog.generic points to the changelog in debian.master for example
[03:37] <scott-upstairs> i.e. "i started with the debian folder and kept it as record but updated the .lowlatency folder from it, that's the run we will run everything from, yadda, yadda"
[03:37]  * scott-upstairs realizes that sounds whiny
[03:37] <scott-upstairs> hmmm, i don't have changelog.generic ailo in my debian.lowlatency folder
[03:38] <scott-upstairs> i have changelog.historical
[03:38] <scott-upstairs> but it's an actual text file, not a symlink
[03:38] <ailo> scott-upstairs: Might be that the source has changed. But those files that are not specific to -lowlatency are just links
[03:39] <scott-upstairs> ailo, BUT looking back at the original folder i see them, they just didn't copy to the new directory
[03:39] <ailo> scott-upstairs: Maybe that's what's messing it up then?
[03:39] <scott-upstairs> ailo,  it would appear so :P
[03:41] <scott-upstairs> okay, i now have the symlinks in there but debuild still says it can't find a "readable debian/changelog anywhere"
[03:42] <scott-upstairs> i tried "debuild debian.lowlatency/changelog -S -sa" but it didn't work still
[03:42] <ailo> scott-upstairs: Sure the source is clean? Maybe better to start from the beginning?
[03:43] <scott-upstairs> ailo, well, the source doesn't have a changelog or a symlink for changelog under the /debian directory
[03:44] <scott-upstairs> but debian.lowlatency does have a changelog AND the symlink chagnelog.generic to the debian.master directory :/
[03:44] <scott-upstairs> it's all rube goldberg to me
[03:45] <scott-upstairs> ailo, did it work really easy for you?
[03:45]  * scott-upstairs is beginning to get a complex :P
[03:46] <ailo> scott-upstairs: Building the kernel? I haven't tried building this kernel. Just looked at the configs to see what I needed for a Debian Squeeze kernel, when I build that.
[03:46] <ailo> built* that
[03:47] <scott-upstairs> okay, i feel a little better LOL
[03:47] <ailo> Don't know how to set up the custom flavor folder. Just added the configs into the main folder, which is a bit easier I guess
[03:50] <ailo> scott-upstairs, I'm thinking there should be something useful to read about that in the wiki, but the pages I've visited are all a bit outdated. Still, they may provide some info. I'm sure it's not as hard as it seems after knowing some more about it.
[03:51] <scott-upstairs> ailo, i think i'm close, it's probably just a step that abogani1 forgot to tell me or that i'm too ignorant to realize myself (this is why i like to understand more about the process's goals)
[03:57] <scott-upstairs> ailo, email away to austin :)
[04:33] <ailo> paultag: Are you a python re wizard?
[04:45] <paultag> ailo: humm?
[04:45] <paultag> ailo: regexps?
[04:45] <paultag> I know my way around a regex, but i'm not fantastic
[04:45] <paultag> why?
[04:46] <ailo> paultag: I'm trying to create search patterns to find if user is in audio group and what value memlock is set at, but I'm learning really slowly how to do that
[04:46] <paultag> ahhha
[04:47] <paultag> ailo: which file is that again?
[04:47] <ailo> memlock string to look for is "@audio   -  memlock    unlimited" in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[04:48] <ailo> "unlimited" can either be a number, or unlimited
[04:48] <paultag> ailo: are those tabs or any number of spaces?
[04:49] <ailo> Just white space. I guess re can use \s for that
[04:49] <paultag> ailo: it'll be simple if you break this up a bit -- see if you can find the @audio line, then run two regexps against it to get each value. That's actually super simple :)
[04:49] <paultag> ailo: aye! It'd be \s*
[04:49] <paultag> space, one --> sideways 8
[04:49] <ailo> I just want the value, so either "unlimited" or the number if it's a number
[04:50] <ailo> I can get the string now, but don't know how to get just the value
[04:51] <paultag> ailo: so you know it's going to be \w*, then a \s*, then a -, then \s*, then a \w*, then a \s*, then you want the following \w* until the ^
[04:51] <paultag> sorry! $
[04:51] <paultag> not ^
[04:51] <ailo> ah, I think I get it. Let me try it
[04:52] <paultag> ailo: or, if you want to get randy, you can use \S (for non-whitespace), but let's just start off with that :)
[04:52] <paultag> ailo: bracket expressions will help you here :)
[07:18] <abogani1> scott-upstairs: ScottL: You need of "fakeroot debian/rules clean" before "debuild -S -sa".
[12:22] <scott-upstairs> /bin/bash: kernel-wedge: command not found
[12:22] <scott-upstairs> make: *** [debian/control] Error 127
[12:22] <scott-upstairs> abogani, ^^^
[12:22] <scott-upstairs> when i ran "fakeroot debian/rules clean"
[12:23] <scott-upstairs> i suppose i need to install "kernel-wedge" :P
[12:25] <scott-upstairs> installed kernel-wedge, reran "fakeroot debian/rules clean" and "debuild -S -sa" and all seems to have worked, dput'ing to my ppa now
[12:27] <abogani> scott-upstairs: Good job! :)
[13:01] <ScottL> eh, i forgot to remove "ubuntu1" in the changelog and launchpad rejected it becuase i was trying to a do a "release" pocket (or whatever the note said)
[13:01] <ScottL> then i removed the "ubuntu1" and then rebuilt, tried to upload and it said it  wasn't a changes file :/
[13:02] <ScottL> but it looked like it uploaded, don't know
[13:03] <ScottL> i'll probably just start over at the "cp -a debian*" tonight after i purge a few things
[13:11] <abogani> ScottL: Do you have executed "fakeroot ..." again?
[13:12] <ScottL> abogani, yes, i believe i did
[13:14] <AutoStatic> It might be useful to use pbuilder(-dist), that will save you from dputs being rejected
[13:14] <scott-upstairs> it's still giving me "Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'SUPPORTED' state." in the rejected email from launchpad
[13:20] <abogani> scott-upstairs: Forward me the email.
[13:21] <scott-upstairs> sent to gmail account abogani 
[13:22] <scott-upstairs> i think the last time i saw this kind of email it was because i just typed "dput foo.changes" and didn't put my ppa, but I'm doing it this time :P
[13:22] <scott-upstairs> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[13:22] <scott-upstairs>   Uploading linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30.dsc: done.
[13:22] <scott-upstairs>   Uploading linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30.tar.gz: done.      
[13:22] <scott-upstairs>   Uploading linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30_source.changes: done.
[13:22] <scott-upstairs> Successfully uploaded packages.
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> Not a .changes file.
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> Please select a .changes file to upload.
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> Tried to upload: ppa:slavender/broken
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> scott@lucid-studio:~/build/kernel$ 
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> okay, i need to get daughter to bus stop and go to work, i'll check back in later tonight
[13:23] <scott-upstairs> thanks for your help abogani 
[13:32] <abogani> scott-upstairs: Please let me know your dput command line.
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> scott@lucid-studio:~/build/kernel$ ls
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> aboganis-lowlatency
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> aboganis-meta-lowlatency
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30.dsc
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30_source.build
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30_source.changes
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> linux-lowlatency_2.6.38-3.30.tar.gz
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> rebuild
[13:35] <scott-upstairs> scott@lucid-studio:~/build/kernel$ dput -f *.changes ppa:slavender/broken
[19:46] <paultag> ailo: prod :)
[20:56] <TheMuso> Fixing the daily builds...
[20:59] <scott-work> TheMuso: what's wrong with the daily builds?
[21:01] <TheMuso> scott-work: language-selector breakage.
[21:26] <scott-work> TheMuso: is the part in the build log where it keeps complaining about language packs?
[21:49] <ailo> paultag: Hi, I'm doing the last bit of code now to make the program fully functional, though it will still need some text editing
[21:49] <paultag> ailo: roger!
[22:02] <TheMuso> scott-work: Don't know what thats about.
[22:09] <scott-work> TheMuso: if you are interested, around line 326 it starts a *large* list of missing language packs: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/natty/daily-20110224.log
[22:10] <scott-work> i've thought about looking into it but i figured there are more important things to devote time to at this time
[22:10] <TheMuso> hrm interesting, will take a look later if I have time.
[22:10] <scott-work> oh, language, gimp and aspell packs
[22:14] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[22:37] <ailo> paultag: I know I must be braindead to thing the feature freeze was the 28th, but how is the situation for this app now?
[22:37] <ailo> There's still some work to be done
[22:37] <ailo> I just got the functionality going
[22:40] <paultag> ailo: if it can be done I can roll it and ready to upload. worst comes to worst we declare a critical bug against ubuntu studio that the upload closes
[22:42] <ailo> paultag: You can pull the app if you want
[22:43] <ailo> paultag: Some basic things I don't still know about. The app only starts from the terminal. What is missing?
[22:45] <paultag> ailo: why can't it start from GNOME?
[22:46] <ailo> paultag: Don't know. If I double click the main python file, it won't start. 
[22:46] <paultag> oh damn, that error again
[22:46] <paultag> damn, I'm outdated
[22:46] <paultag> ailo: I can't run it on 10.10
[22:46] <paultag> which is OK
[22:46] <paultag> as long as it runs on 11.04
[22:47] <paultag> ailo: it needs to find the glade file, I would guess
[22:47] <ailo> Full path then..
[22:47] <paultag> ailo: have you tried making a setup.py for it?
[22:47] <paultag> ailo: I mean to double-click it
[22:47] <ailo> No, haven't learned about that
[22:47] <paultag> ailo: I have a template setup.py you can use
[22:48] <paultag> ailo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lococouncil/locolint/trunk/view/head:/setup.py
[22:54] <ailo> paultag: I guess it would be easier to use the setup.py that comes with the original version
[22:55] <paultag> ailo: haha aye
[23:04] <ailo> paultag: Ok, the setup.py makes the app usable, though it won't install all the files
[23:04] <ailo> I guess the debian package should take care of the rest
[23:07] <ailo> paultag: Actually, the setup.py creates a folder in the folder where I run "sudo python setup.py install"
[23:07] <paultag> :)
[23:08] <ailo> paultag: I'm adding the original source + a folder with my app setup in the same way. Maybe you can take a look, hold on
[23:08] <paultag> ailo: of course
[23:12] <ailo> paultag: Ok. Those should be all the files. So, all of the files except "ubuntustudio-controls" and "meminfo_total" should end up in /usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/
[23:13] <paultag> ailo: you can just add it to the .install :)
[23:14] <ailo> paultag: The Debian .install, you mean?
[23:15] <paultag> ailo: aye
[23:15] <paultag> ailo: unless you want to put it in setup.py, which is the "right" way to do it
[23:15] <ailo> paultag: So, the current setup.py is not functional?
[23:15] <paultag> ailo: I've not looked at it
[23:16] <paultag> ailo: but try doing a sudo setup.py install
[23:16] <paultag> ailo: and if it installs, then you're OK, if it fails, then it's failed :)
[23:16] <ailo> paultag: I tried that, but it would only install the program files, not the resources
[23:17] <ailo> paultag: I'll edit the Debian package and try that
[23:17] <paultag> ailo: so, no, it's not functional totally
[23:17] <paultag> ailo: but yeah the deb package can compensate
[23:44] <ailo> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571965/
[23:45] <ailo> paultag: I haven't changed anything about that file to my knowledge
[23:45] <paultag> ailo: because you have a prefix in debian/
[23:45] <paultag> oh wait
[23:45] <paultag> nvmd
[23:45] <paultag> ailo: push the branch up and I'll pull it, if you'd like
[23:47] <ailo> paultag: It's including the files after trying to build the package. I've updated some files, the changelog, for instance. But, I wouldn't know if I missed something
[23:48] <ailo> paultag: But the package got built
[23:49] <ailo> paultag: Ok
[23:50] <ailo> paultag: git crashed, took me some time
[23:50] <ailo> paultag: No package, but a tar file, as you will see
[23:51] <ailo> paultag: Ok, so that's the source file. Great.
[23:53] <paultag> righto
[23:55] <ailo> paultag: The meminfo_total.py ends up in */python2.7/* instead of 2.6
[23:55] <ailo> Which I guess it should
[23:59] <ailo> paultag: Which version of Glade worked for you?
[23:59] <paultag> ailo: none, sadly. There was a function that you actually needed 2.24 for
[23:59] <paultag> ailo: your versioning is fine right now :)