[00:15] hey guys, can i get a MIDI keyboard recommendation? got my eye on this http://tinyurl.com/46ehbvh but the cheaper and smaller, the better (i'll only be using it occasionally, and only for hobby related stuff. [00:15] bc81: hey [00:15] * holstein looking [00:16] hi holstein :) [00:16] i have an mauiod [00:16] maudio* [00:16] keyrig or whatever [00:16] keystation? [00:16] something just a bit bigger than that [00:17] personally, i say [00:17] IF you're going to use this as an instrument [00:17] not a lead synth type thing [00:17] i think its worth the extra $$ to get something with 60+ keys [00:17] really depends on the use [00:18] even a hobby on a tiny keyboard [00:18] can be such a drag you wont have any fun :/ [00:18] *potentially [00:18] yea, i was trying to avoid going all out (i'm a guitar guy, can't play keys at all really) [00:18] and, its not *that* much more [00:18] basically, i'll be using it to input notes into milkytracker [00:18] $$ [00:18] that'll probably be fine then [00:19] well, i was shooting for the 20-40 USD range...what about those roll-out type keyboards/? [00:19] i think they are crap [00:19] BUT portable [00:19] or do they even make those piano-style [00:19] and maybe just the thing for you [00:19] since 'feel' is really not an issue [00:20] bc81: i have seen one [00:20] piano roll up keyboard [00:20] ya, i mean anything would be better than typing notes on the keyboard :) [00:20] cant remember it the one i saw was MIDI capable [00:20] bc81: you say that, but [00:20] i prefer qwerty [00:20] heh [00:20] to something that just feels like ass [00:21] yea..i know what you mean [00:21] bc81: im not sure how the support is for that ekeys37 [00:21] mine is out-of-the-box [00:21] as long as it's USB compatible [00:22] i don't want to have to buy extra hardware [00:22] http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52452 [00:22] if its not 'velocity sensitive' [00:22] then you might as well use qwerty [00:22] in my opinion [00:23] It seems robust enough, fits in a standard laptop rucksack, and the key action is pretty good considering. I can play fast key runs; with a rhodes dialled up, it can sound quite professional, even thought there's no touch sensitivity. [00:23] i say, you can get SO much more [00:23] for like 30 or 40 bucks more [00:23] BUT, it is small-ish [00:24] bc81: korg nano control no good? [00:24] or whatever its called [00:24] i've heard good things about that [00:24] its small [00:24] looks a little odd, don't think i'd have much use for it [00:25] yeah? [00:25] id give it 2 stars over the maudio [00:25] at least [00:25] huh, i'll bookmark it then, the price is reasonable [00:26] read around a bit [00:26] OH [00:26] and check in #opensourcemusicians if you want [00:26] more MIDI folk over there [00:26] im looking for either a stage piano with USB [00:26] or a nice weighted controller [00:26] unless i find a nice actual piano [00:27] that i can get delivered resonalby [00:27] i have an old yamaha electric grand [00:27] with is kinda like an electric guitar [00:27] but a piano ;) [00:27] nice! you sound like a serious pianist xD [00:27] nah [00:27] * bc81 CAN BARELY PLAY CHOPSTICKS [00:27] im a bass player [00:27] but i play piano a lot [00:27] and need one here [00:28] for sessions or whatever [00:28] cool.. bass is fun, i can play a little bit [00:28] i play upright [00:29] oh wow, you a claypool fan? [00:29] yeah [00:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s [02:23] holstein: That's a kick ass video. [02:23] PipeManMusic: i thought i had made you watch that before ;) [02:24] thats my friend keith davis on piano [02:24] and one of his tunes [02:24] Very cool. [02:24] i forget what its called... [02:24] maybe 'new beginnings' [02:24] You are a skinny bastard. [02:25] hehe [02:25] PipeManMusic: thanks for checking it out :) [02:25] I make a lot of funny faces when I play too. [02:25] ;) [02:25] holstein: You are one hell of a player my friend. [02:26] PipeManMusic: thanks [02:26] * PipeManMusic feels lucky to know Mike. [02:26] i do what i can [02:26] PipeManMusic: likewise :) [02:26] * PipeManMusic needs to do some playing. [02:26] I'm feeling musically pent up. [02:26] i was going to go to a jam tonite [02:26] but im SO busy tomorrow [02:26] i blew it off [02:26] Yeah. [02:26] It happens [02:27] i went last week too [02:27] and the club was closed [02:27] I might try doing a video stream concert on Friday. [02:27] PipeManMusic: DOOD [02:27] do it [02:27] PipeManMusic: ustream? [02:27] Probably. [02:27] get it archived [02:27] I don't know if I can feed jack into it. [02:27] im working friday [02:28] PipeManMusic: you can with the bridge right? [02:28] Cool. [02:28] I'm not sure if you can put it into flash. [02:28] hmmm [02:28] or if it's just out. [02:28] I've never tried. [02:28] yeah [02:28] tricky [02:31] Nope it's just out. [02:31] I'll have to use pulse-jack [08:34] does U.Std. have a different kernel? [08:49] doodie: Some releases of UbuntuStudio comes with a realtime kernel. [08:50] But the generic kernel is the same [08:50] All of the packages are in the same repo. Ubuntu's repo [08:50] ailo, ok. So, I am using ubuntu 10.04, and if I want UBUNTUSTUDIO, then I must install it just like I did Ubuntu 10? [08:51] doodie: No, you can just install the packages you want. [08:52] If you want all of the UbuntuStudio packages, you just choose all of the packages starting with ubuntustudio* [08:52] I'm not sure about what kernels there are for Lucid, though [08:52] ailo, I found it, thanks [08:54] doodie: I can see that there is a linux-rt for Lucid as well [08:55] That would be the realtime kernel. Not sure whether graphic drivers will work with that (nvidia, etc) [08:55] ailo, I am concern about music production only. [08:56] doodie: Then you might find the realtime kernel more suitable. Just make sure you also install rtirq-init [08:57] And for the audio packages, all you need is jackd and whatever software you like to use, so no need to install UbuntuStudio [08:59] If you have nvidia graphic drivers installed, make sure to uninstall those before installing the realtime kernel [09:00] (or you can do that afterwards too, of course, if you find they don't work with that kernel) === frederickjh is now known as frederickjh_away [13:37] Is regular new PC sufficient for producing music or are some special soundcards needed in order to output good quality sounds? [13:37] not *needed* mlpug [13:38] but helpful [13:38] really depends on what you are planning on doing [13:38] And if I invest to some soundcard what do I get on top of basic PC capabilities [13:39] well, im assuming you have a normal card now [13:39] holstein, I want to record some singing and trumpet etc and produce some background rhytm and chords for those [13:39] with a headphone jack sized line ine [13:39] in* [13:39] and/or mic in [13:39] ideally [13:39] you would have a pre-amp [13:40] something with an XLR microphone input [13:40] that goes right to the hard drive from there [13:40] IF you are overdubbing [13:40] then on channel like that would be plenty [13:40] IF you want to record several instuments live [13:40] you might need more channels with thta capability [13:40] and there are lots of ways to add that functionality [13:41] i have a presonus firepod [13:41] http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=3 [13:41] lots of simpler USB options too [13:41] i like the http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodid=1901 [13:42] http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=behringer+usb+audio&hl=en&prmd=ivns&biw=1024&bih=537&bav=on.1,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9018756936878490849&sa=X&ei=QGBmTd3sONCltweJkqDmAw&ved=0CGQQ8wIwAw# [13:42] sorry for the ugly links [13:42] im running out the door in a minute [13:43] something like that gives you USB into the machine [13:43] and unbalanced line-in's [13:43] you can use to come from something like a mixer [13:43] with preamps [13:43] holstein, okay, I need to run soon as well. thanks anyway. Seems like I must take some time to study this issue a bit more offline [13:44] something like http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-EURORACK-UB802-Mixer?sku=631238 [13:44] mlpug: sure [13:44] feel fre to ask anytime [13:44] and link up ideas [13:44] there are lots of options [13:45] between US $200 and $2000 [13:45] that will do what you want [13:45] with varying results [13:45] using your soundcard in your machine is a good way to get started though [13:45] Thats reasonable investment. I am super excited about those possibilities. If I only would not have my dayjob and family... [13:45] and learn about what you need [13:46] alright... BBL [13:46] byt. tnx! [13:46] bye [13:50] I guess holstein left but I must throw in another question in case somebody else knows and it is if harmonizer functionality is doable without special hardware i.e. I sing E and there is Em chord playing at the same time so it copies what I sing to G and H. In case its not Em but E then it produces G# and H instead. [14:02] The Rakarrack software is able to do that [14:02] It has a Harmonizer effect === JamesHarrison` is now known as JamesHarrison === peregrinator_six is now known as dial_up_br [20:35] hey doodie [20:35] what are you trying to do? [20:37] holstein, since Rosegarden cannot export vst sounds as wav or mp3, I need to record the sound what is playing through my speakers. In windows there was option called mono/stereo mix. [20:37] right [20:37] thats one way [20:37] the way to go is with JACK [20:37] then, you just patch RG's output to whatever [20:37] ardour [20:37] audacity? [20:37] ya ardour [20:38] JACK would be the tool [20:38] doodie: im running out [20:38] BUT [20:38] if you need more help with your project [20:38] try #opensourcemusicians [20:38] several RG users there [20:39] ok thanks laot === peregrinator_six is now known as dial_up_br === frederickjh_away is now known as frederickjh