[00:15] <bc81> hey guys, can i get a MIDI keyboard recommendation?  got my eye on this http://tinyurl.com/46ehbvh but the cheaper and smaller, the better (i'll only be using it occasionally, and only for hobby related stuff.
[00:15] <holstein> bc81: hey
[00:15]  * holstein looking
[00:16] <bc81> hi holstein :)
[00:16] <holstein> i have an mauiod
[00:16] <holstein> maudio*
[00:16] <holstein> keyrig or whatever
[00:16] <holstein> keystation?
[00:16] <holstein> something just a bit bigger than that
[00:17] <holstein> personally, i say
[00:17] <holstein> IF you're going to use this as an instrument
[00:17] <holstein> not a lead synth type thing
[00:17] <holstein> i think its worth the extra $$ to get something with 60+ keys
[00:17] <holstein> really depends on the use
[00:18] <holstein> even a hobby on a tiny keyboard
[00:18] <holstein> can be such a drag you wont have any fun :/
[00:18] <holstein> *potentially
[00:18] <bc81> yea, i was trying to avoid going all out (i'm a guitar guy, can't play keys at all really)
[00:18] <holstein> and, its not *that* much more
[00:18] <bc81> basically, i'll be using it to input notes into milkytracker
[00:18] <holstein> $$
[00:18] <holstein> that'll probably be fine then
[00:19] <bc81> well, i was shooting for the 20-40 USD range...what about those roll-out type keyboards/?
[00:19] <holstein> i think they are crap
[00:19] <holstein> BUT portable
[00:19] <bc81> or do they even make those piano-style
[00:19] <holstein> and maybe just the thing for you
[00:19] <holstein> since 'feel' is really not an issue
[00:20] <holstein> bc81: i have seen one
[00:20] <holstein> piano roll up keyboard
[00:20] <bc81> ya, i mean anything would be better than typing notes  on the keyboard :)
[00:20] <holstein> cant remember it the one i saw was MIDI capable
[00:20] <holstein> bc81: you say that, but
[00:20] <holstein> i prefer qwerty
[00:20] <bc81> heh
[00:20] <holstein> to something that just feels like ass
[00:21] <bc81> yea..i know what you mean
[00:21] <holstein> bc81: im not sure how the support is for that ekeys37
[00:21] <holstein> mine is out-of-the-box
[00:21] <bc81> as long as it's USB compatible
[00:22] <bc81> i don't want to have to buy extra hardware
[00:22] <holstein> http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52452
[00:22] <holstein> if its not 'velocity sensitive'
[00:22] <holstein> then you might as well use qwerty
[00:22] <holstein> in my opinion
[00:23] <holstein> It seems robust enough, fits in a standard laptop rucksack, and the key action is pretty good considering. I can play fast key runs; with a rhodes dialled up, it can sound quite professional, even thought there's no touch sensitivity.
[00:23] <holstein> i say, you can get SO much more
[00:23] <holstein> for like 30 or 40 bucks more
[00:23] <holstein> BUT, it is small-ish
[00:24] <holstein> bc81: korg nano control no good?
[00:24] <holstein> or whatever its called
[00:24] <holstein> i've heard good things about that
[00:24] <holstein> its small
[00:24] <bc81> looks a little odd, don't think i'd have much use for it
[00:25] <holstein> yeah?
[00:25] <holstein> id give it 2 stars over the maudio
[00:25] <holstein> at least
[00:25] <bc81> huh, i'll bookmark it then, the price is reasonable
[00:26] <holstein> read around a bit
[00:26] <holstein> OH
[00:26] <holstein> and check in #opensourcemusicians if you want
[00:26] <holstein> more MIDI folk over there
[00:26] <holstein> im looking for either a stage piano with USB
[00:26] <holstein> or a nice weighted controller
[00:26] <holstein> unless i find a nice actual piano
[00:27] <holstein> that i can get delivered resonalby
[00:27] <holstein> i have an old yamaha electric grand
[00:27] <holstein> with is kinda like an electric guitar
[00:27] <holstein> but a piano ;)
[00:27] <bc81> nice!  you sound like a serious pianist xD
[00:27] <holstein> nah
[00:27]  * bc81 CAN BARELY PLAY CHOPSTICKS
[00:27] <holstein> im a bass player
[00:27] <holstein> but i play piano a lot
[00:27] <holstein> and need one here
[00:28] <holstein> for sessions or whatever
[00:28] <bc81> cool.. bass is fun, i can play a little bit
[00:28] <holstein> i play upright
[00:29] <bc81> oh wow, you a claypool fan?
[00:29] <holstein> yeah
[00:30] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s
[02:23] <PipeManMusic> holstein: That's a kick ass video.
[02:23] <holstein> PipeManMusic: i thought i had made you watch that before ;)
[02:24] <holstein> thats my friend keith davis on piano
[02:24] <holstein> and one of his tunes
[02:24] <PipeManMusic> Very cool.
[02:24] <holstein> i forget what its called...
[02:24] <holstein> maybe 'new beginnings'
[02:24] <PipeManMusic> You are a skinny bastard.
[02:25] <holstein> hehe
[02:25] <holstein> PipeManMusic: thanks for checking it out :)
[02:25] <PipeManMusic> I make a lot of funny faces when I play too.
[02:25] <PipeManMusic> ;)
[02:25] <PipeManMusic> holstein: You are one hell of a player my friend.
[02:26] <holstein> PipeManMusic: thanks
[02:26]  * PipeManMusic feels lucky to know Mike.
[02:26] <holstein> i do what i can
[02:26] <holstein> PipeManMusic: likewise :)
[02:26]  * PipeManMusic needs to do some playing.
[02:26] <PipeManMusic> I'm feeling musically pent up.
[02:26] <holstein> i was going to go to a jam tonite
[02:26] <holstein> but im SO busy tomorrow
[02:26] <holstein> i blew it off
[02:26] <PipeManMusic> Yeah.
[02:26] <PipeManMusic> It happens
[02:27] <holstein> i went last week too
[02:27] <holstein> and the club was closed
[02:27] <PipeManMusic> I might try doing a video stream concert on Friday.
[02:27] <holstein> PipeManMusic: DOOD
[02:27] <holstein> do it
[02:27] <holstein> PipeManMusic: ustream?
[02:27] <PipeManMusic> Probably.
[02:27] <holstein> get it archived
[02:27] <PipeManMusic> I don't know if I can feed jack into it.
[02:27] <holstein> im working friday
[02:28] <holstein> PipeManMusic: you can with the bridge right?
[02:28] <PipeManMusic> Cool.
[02:28] <PipeManMusic> I'm not sure if you can put it into flash.
[02:28] <holstein> hmmm
[02:28] <PipeManMusic> or if it's just out.
[02:28] <PipeManMusic> I've never tried.
[02:28] <holstein> yeah
[02:28] <holstein> tricky
[02:31] <PipeManMusic> Nope it's just out.
[02:31] <PipeManMusic> I'll have to use pulse-jack
[08:34] <doodie> does U.Std. have a different kernel?
[08:49] <ailo> doodie: Some releases of UbuntuStudio comes with a realtime kernel.
[08:50] <ailo> But the generic kernel is the same
[08:50] <ailo> All of the packages are in the same repo. Ubuntu's repo
[08:50] <doodie> ailo,  ok. So, I am using ubuntu 10.04, and if I want UBUNTUSTUDIO, then I must install it just like I did Ubuntu 10?
[08:51] <ailo> doodie: No, you can just install the packages you want.
[08:52] <ailo> If you want all of the UbuntuStudio packages, you just choose all of the packages starting with ubuntustudio*
[08:52] <ailo> I'm not sure about what kernels there are for Lucid, though
[08:52] <doodie> ailo, I found it, thanks
[08:54] <ailo> doodie: I can see that there is a linux-rt for Lucid as well
[08:55] <ailo> That would be the realtime kernel. Not sure whether graphic drivers will work with that (nvidia, etc)
[08:55] <doodie> ailo,  I am concern about music production only.
[08:56] <ailo> doodie: Then you might find the realtime kernel more suitable. Just make sure you also install rtirq-init
[08:57] <ailo> And for the audio packages, all you need is jackd and whatever software you like to use, so no need to install UbuntuStudio
[08:59] <ailo> If you have nvidia graphic drivers installed, make sure to uninstall those before installing the realtime kernel
[09:00] <ailo> (or you can do that afterwards too, of course, if you find they don't work with that kernel)
[13:37] <mlpug> Is regular new PC sufficient for producing music or are some special soundcards needed in order to output good quality sounds?
[13:37] <holstein> not *needed* mlpug
[13:38] <holstein> but helpful
[13:38] <holstein> really depends on what you are planning on doing
[13:38] <mlpug> And if I invest to some soundcard what do I get on top of basic PC capabilities
[13:39] <holstein> well, im assuming you have a normal card now
[13:39] <mlpug> holstein, I want to record some singing and trumpet etc and produce some background rhytm and chords for those
[13:39] <holstein> with a headphone jack sized line ine
[13:39] <holstein> in*
[13:39] <holstein> and/or mic in
[13:39] <holstein> ideally
[13:39] <holstein> you would have a pre-amp
[13:40] <holstein> something with an XLR microphone input
[13:40] <holstein> that goes right to the hard drive from there
[13:40] <holstein> IF you are overdubbing
[13:40] <holstein> then on channel like that would be plenty
[13:40] <holstein> IF you want to record several instuments live
[13:40] <holstein> you might need more channels with thta capability
[13:40] <holstein> and there are lots of ways to add that functionality
[13:41] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[13:41] <holstein> http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=3
[13:41] <holstein> lots of simpler USB options too
[13:41] <holstein> i like the http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodid=1901
[13:42] <holstein> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=behringer+usb+audio&hl=en&prmd=ivns&biw=1024&bih=537&bav=on.1,or.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9018756936878490849&sa=X&ei=QGBmTd3sONCltweJkqDmAw&ved=0CGQQ8wIwAw#
[13:42] <holstein> sorry for the ugly links
[13:42] <holstein> im running out the door in a minute
[13:43] <holstein> something like that gives you USB into the machine
[13:43] <holstein> and unbalanced line-in's
[13:43] <holstein> you can use to come from something like a mixer
[13:43] <holstein> with preamps
[13:43] <mlpug> holstein, okay, I need to run soon as well. thanks anyway. Seems like I must take some time to study this issue a bit more offline
[13:44] <holstein> something like http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-EURORACK-UB802-Mixer?sku=631238
[13:44] <holstein> mlpug: sure
[13:44] <holstein> feel fre to ask anytime
[13:44] <holstein> and link up ideas
[13:44] <holstein> there are lots of options
[13:45] <holstein> between US $200 and $2000
[13:45] <holstein> that will do what you want
[13:45] <holstein> with varying results
[13:45] <holstein> using your soundcard in your machine is a good way to get started though
[13:45] <mlpug> Thats reasonable investment. I am super excited about those possibilities. If I only would not have my dayjob and family...
[13:45] <holstein> and learn about what you need
[13:46] <holstein> alright... BBL
[13:46] <mlpug> byt. tnx!
[13:46] <mlpug> bye
[13:50] <mlpug> I guess holstein left but I must throw in another question in case somebody else knows and it is if harmonizer functionality is doable without special hardware i.e. I sing E and there is Em chord playing at the same time so it copies what I sing to G and H. In case its not Em but E then it produces G# and H instead.
[14:02] <AutoStatic> The Rakarrack software is able to do that
[14:02] <AutoStatic> It has a Harmonizer effect
[20:35] <holstein> hey doodie
[20:35] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[20:37] <doodie> holstein, since Rosegarden cannot export vst sounds as wav or mp3, I need to record the sound what is playing through my speakers. In windows there was option called mono/stereo mix.
[20:37] <holstein> right
[20:37] <holstein> thats one way
[20:37] <holstein> the way to go is with JACK
[20:37] <holstein> then, you just patch RG's output to whatever
[20:37] <holstein> ardour
[20:37] <holstein> audacity?
[20:37] <doodie> ya ardour
[20:38] <holstein> JACK would be the tool
[20:38] <holstein> doodie: im running out
[20:38] <holstein> BUT
[20:38] <holstein> if you need more help with your project
[20:38] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians
[20:38] <holstein> several RG users there
[20:39] <doodie> ok thanks laot