/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

JontheEchidnaMSC's now using the Ubuntu Application Rating API: http://i.imgur.com/GTXoQ.png01:40
JontheEchidnaReviews will be less trivial :<01:40
JontheEchidnaFetching/parsing the data is quite easy with QJson, after you get past its lacklustre API docs01:44
JontheEchidnaTechnically the parse() function is documented, but it doesn't go in to detail as to what the QVariant it returns can contain. (and that can vary)01:45
ScottKRiddell and (if he was here) rbelem: Isn't this the new samba patch causing the FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65100586/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdebindings_4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz03:47
DarkwingDuckScottK: ping06:08
DarkwingDuckRiddell: ping06:08
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping06:08
DarkwingDuck:D06:09
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: pong07:14
apacheloggeruhhhw07:23
apacheloggerwayland in natty07:23
bambeemorning08:36
c2tarunwhy this error while creating a chroot? E: No such script: natty09:55
yofelc2tarun: how did you try to crate the chroot?10:13
Riddellc2tarun: presumably you've an old version that doesn't know about natty10:13
Riddellinstall the version from -updates or -backports10:13
c2tarunI linked maverick file in deboostrap/scripts folder to natty and now chroot is building :)10:14
Riddellthat's the other way to do it10:15
c2tarunRiddell: what is the other way?10:15
yofelc2tarun: what release are you on?10:16
apacheloggerc2tarun: to install debchroot form -backports10:17
yofelmaverick should work fine, lucid will need debootstrap from -backports10:17
c2tarunyofel: maverick10:17
yofelo.O10:18
apacheloggeryofel: wut? we deploy the +1 configs via release now?10:18
yofelapachelogger: I just assumed that as there is no update for maverick10:18
yofeland we do know about the +1 release before release10:18
yofelheh, natty support was added in 1.0.24 - maverick has 23, lucid-backports 2510:21
Riddellit depends on what then +1 gets announced10:23
Riddellsigh, so qt failed on arm and kdebindings filed in general10:24
Riddellagateau: should I care about any of these missing? http://paste.kde.org/5810/10:40
afiestasapachelogger: did the bluedevil-git make it?10:58
apacheloggerafiestas: not yet10:59
apacheloggermaybe Riddell has time10:59
apacheloggerI could do it earliest in some 6 hours or so10:59
afiestasapachelogger: oks, thanks11:00
RiddellI could, it would will the time while qt compiles on arm11:00
Riddellafiestas: what do I need to do?11:00
afiestasRiddell: the idea is tu uplaod a -git package to be sure that 11.04 will have bluedevil 1.111:01
Riddellafiestas: git clone kde:bluedevil?11:02
afiestasRiddell: yes11:02
Riddellafiestas: do you know about the patch from debian to make the library private? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/bluedevil/natty/view/head:/debian/patches/01_libbluedevilaction_is_private.diff11:04
afiestasRiddell: nope, I don't11:05
Riddellpresumably libbluedevilaction.so isn't expected to be developed against by third parties, so it shouldn't be directly in /usr/lib and shouldn't have headers installed11:07
debfxRiddell: have you tested the samba usershares with guest login?11:19
afiestasRiddell: well, that is what debian people say xD11:19
debfxit doesn't work for me, log says: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/test failed. Permission denied11:19
afiestaswhat I say is that third parties should be able to create BlueDevil plugins without having to download the entire source code11:19
afiestasfor example, NetworkManagement guys, or PIM guys11:20
afiestasso if that patch avoid that, I don't like it11:20
debfxafiestas: then you need to set a proper SONAME11:23
Riddellafiestas: in that case it needs a versioned ABI11:23
afiestasI see, will fix that for 1.1, thanks :p11:24
Riddelldebfx: I don't get that in the log /var/log/samba/log.smbd but I can't log in11:25
debfxRiddell: it's in /var/log/samba/log.[hostname]11:26
Riddelldolphin keeps asking for a password, I don't know how to make it use guest11:34
RiddellNCommander: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2011-February/029316.html11:37
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debfxRiddell: my share wasn't world-readable so guest login doesn't work ...12:11
debfxsamba really needs to learn to display helpful error messages12:12
afiestasyesterday I was watching a Mac Mini unboxing, when I noticed that Kubuntu installer is lacking something bluetooth-wise12:38
Riddellwhat's it lacking?12:39
afiestasit is lacking a way of connecting a Mouse/Keyboard without having any other input method12:39
afiestasbasically what they do is "If you have a Bluetooth mouse, set it to connecting mode now"12:39
afiestasthen, the application will stablish connectin with the first bluetooth mouse that appears 12:40
debfxany ideas why the last qt version kind of breaks the qtopengl abi: bug #72486712:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 724867 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "current qtopengl breaks virtualbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72486712:40
afiestasand same technique with the keyboard12:40
Riddelldebfx: I'd ask what version he had and what version he downgraded to that made it work12:41
Riddellafiestas: well we have three installers, the live session one runs bluedevil so any missing features there should be blamed on those bluedevil developers :)12:41
debfxRiddell: ubuntu10 breaks it, ubuntu9 works12:42
afiestasRiddell: I can write the app, but it needs to be launched by the installers12:42
afiestasor just before them, the workflow should be12:42
afiestas1-Put the CD and click install/test12:43
Riddellafiestas: the standalone ubiquity installer will be missing it, it also misses network setup.  there's a plan for adding network setup into ubiquity but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen this cycle12:43
afiestas2- BEFORE execute anything, execute the small "Configurator helper" 12:43
afiestas3-The app will look if there is any mouse in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one12:43
Riddellhmm yes, can't get to the full live session without a mouse or keyboard can you12:43
afiestas4-The app will look if there is any keyboard in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one12:44
afiestas5-The rest of the system will be launch12:44
Riddellafiestas: sounds like just the sort of thing that needs discussed at UDS12:45
afiestas:p no way it can make it for 11.04 right? the app is easy to do (I can even have it for today)12:45
Riddelldebfx: hum, I can't see why adding multitouch support would affect GL12:46
Riddellafiestas: well it could get a feature freeze exception if there's a good reason12:46
afiestasRiddell: do you think that "Be able to install with your bluetooth hardware" is a good reason?12:47
Riddelldebfx: I wonder if it's due to building with gcc 4.412:47
RiddellI did notice a bunch of .symbol file changes which I then forgot to do anything about12:48
Riddellafiestas: could be yes12:48
debfxRiddell: but it's only built with gcc 4.4 on armel, right?12:48
Riddelldebfx: right.  so that won't be it.12:49
debfxRiddell: #MISSING: 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10# _ZN10QGLContext9tryVisualERK9QGLFormati@Base 4:4.7.0~rc112:52
debfxon amd6412:52
afiestasRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/5815/ 12:52
afiestasfeedback?12:52
debfxwhy didn't that fail the build?12:52
afiestasis that an acceptable way of doing this?12:52
Riddellafiestas: yes I'd say so, I'm not entirely sure how to run a GUI programme before ubiquity but I'm sure we can work it out12:53
afiestasoks, then I'm going to start an standalone app to do this, that will depend on Qt and libbluedevil 12:55
afiestasif needed, I can make it depend only on Qt, but only if depending on libbluedevil is a no go12:55
Riddellyes, depending on Qt means it can be used in ubuntu desktop for natty+1 too12:55
Riddelldebfx: mores the question, why is it missing in the first place12:56
afiestasRiddell: oks, atm I'm going to use libbluedevil since it makes everything easier, for +1 we can remove it12:57
bambeethis is probably a stupid question but since features freeze was yesterday... natty coding todolist is still valid ?12:58
Riddellbambee: any features will need a feature freeze exception13:00
Riddellbambee: the focus should be on bugfixing now13:00
Riddellso http://goo.gl/yGhJd is more important13:01
Riddell(and that's just the bugs I've bothered to tag and milestone)13:01
bambeeRiddell: ok13:01
Riddellafiestas: libbluedevil should be fine too13:01
debfxRiddell: ubuntu10 is built with egl support13:06
Riddelldebfx: oh?  where, how, why?13:07
debfxsomething pulled in libegl1-mesa and egl is auto-detected13:07
Riddellsneaky something13:08
debfxRiddell: do you still have your cloud machine to do a testbuild with -no-egl?13:09
Riddelldebfx: no but I can set one up easily13:12
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Riddelldebfx: I need to test this arm fix for qt, I'll do no-egl too13:40
Riddelldebfx: ubuntu@ec2-50-16-14-107.compute-1.amazonaws.com  screen session13:41
debfxRiddell: ok, have you started a screen session?13:43
Riddellyes13:43
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bambeepolkit-kde-agent crashes randomly on logout. Nobody saved the backtrace ? I remember it but I'm unable to reproduce the crash now... o_O 14:44
Riddellanyone want to do the Kubuntu turn at the release meeting today?  I don't think I can make it15:00
Riddelldebfx: I'm going to go away for the weekend in a couple of hours, are you able to check that qt compile goes ok, update the .symbols files and push the packaging to bzr and get it uploaded?15:01
debfxRiddell: sure, can do15:09
Riddelldebfx: which? :)15:14
debfxRiddell: uploading qt15:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: so i finally have time to finish it this weekend, i had exams all week15:15
shadeslayeralong with some other stuff15:16
shadeslayerhuh ... i suck at this game ...15:18
shadeslayerRiddell: what does one do at a release meeting? :)15:19
shadeslayerbecause i'm free for the weekend15:19
debfxdo we care about telepathy-qt4? bug #704770 is assigned to kubuntu-dev15:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704770 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu Natty) "build failure with ld.gold" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70477015:22
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* shadeslayer looks15:25
shadeslayerdebfx: we should care about telepathy ... since they have a nice KDE UI coming up15:25
shadeslayerholy mother of commits15:26
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/582215:27
debfxshadeslayer: telepathy-qt4 doesn't have any rdeps at the moment15:27
shadeslayerthat's what happens when you don't pull everyday15:27
shadeslayerdebfx: no, since the KDE guys haven't made a release yet :)15:27
shadeslayerdebfx: i'm willing to take this up15:27
debfxhm I wonder why it's in main, can't find a MIR bug15:28
shadeslayerdebfx: debian probably has it in main, maybe that's why?15:28
* shadeslayer checks15:28
Riddellshadeslayer: join #ubuntu-meeting in an hour and paste the update when called15:29
Riddellhttp://paste.kde.org/5823/15:29
debfxaha, in maverick krdc depends on it15:29
Riddellyes I removed the telepathy dependency there since it wasn't being used15:30
Riddellthe package should be moved to universe15:30
Riddellshadeslayer: debian main has nothing to do with ubuntu main15:30
shadeslayerRiddell: ok, should i put in a highlight for kubuntu in Quassel or will they call out my nick :P15:30
Riddellshadeslayer: either a highlight or tell skeat at the start of the meeting to call you 15:31
shadeslayeroh ... right... they get put into the new queue and then someone puts it in main/universe/multiverse15:31
shadeslayerok15:31
shadeslayerRiddell: btw about that MIR, i think dcmtk won't make it .... 15:33
shadeslayerso i'll mail upstream and gather their views :)15:33
Riddellshadeslayer: ok thanks15:33
shadeslayer:)15:34
c2tarunon running schroot I am getting chroot not found, here is my schroot.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/572225/ can anyone please help16:13
shadeslayermarkey: around?16:15
markeyyeah16:15
markeysup?16:16
shadeslayermarkey: you have amarok from git right>16:16
markeyyep16:16
shadeslayermarkey: try opening this with amarok http://www.bbnradio.org/WindowsMediaDotComASXLinks/wmspanish.asx16:16
markeyok, in a few minutes16:16
shadeslayercrashes for me here16:16
shadeslayersure16:16
markeylistening to something here16:16
shadeslayersure :)16:16
Mamarokshadeslayer: asx crash is already reported in the bugtracker16:31
shadeslayerMamarok: yeah i was just going over the reports16:31
Mamarokshadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26537816:32
ubottuKDE bug 265378 in Streams "Amarok crash when open an asx file [ DirectoryLoader::init]" [Crash,New]16:32
Mamarokalready confirmed since some time16:32
shadeslayerah ok 16:33
shadeslayersome people in #kubuntu were asking :)16:34
Mamarokshadeslayer: better ask me than markey, I triage those bugs16:34
Mamarokalso people should not ask in #kubuntu for 2.4-git versions16:34
shadeslayerah :D16:34
shadeslayerMamarok: er it's a bug in the release16:34
shadeslayeri have it too :)16:34
Mamarokyes, I know16:34
Mamaroksee the bug report16:35
shadeslayeryeah i'm going through it 16:35
Mamarokthere are a lot of bugs in 2.4.0, many already solved16:35
Mamarokcheck my saved queries for already saved bugs :)16:35
ari-tczewshadeslayer: give up with bug 70477016:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704770 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu Natty) "build failure with ld.gold" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70477016:44
shadeslayerreally?16:44
ari-tczewyes16:44
shadeslayerany reasons? :D16:44
ari-tczewRiddell has uploaded new upstream release which built fine.16:45
shadeslayerah16:45
ari-tczewI closed bug.16:45
shadeslayeri'm building ... and it's upto 65 %16:45
shadeslayerand i was wondering why hasn't it failed yet16:45
ari-tczew:)16:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: around?16:55
apacheloggerno17:09
* apachelogger starts crying meanwhile17:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: see #kde-devel17:09
apacheloggerwhere is that?17:10
JontheEchidnahttp://i.imgur.com/Br4xU.png \o/17:19
JontheEchidnareviews need a gui now17:19
JontheEchidnaI doubt many people will want to look at konsole for reviews :P17:20
shadeslayerhaha :D17:20
shadeslayeri think apachelogger is now just torturing me17:21
shadeslayer:P17:21
shadeslayeri *still* think my code is right17:21
* apachelogger is depressed and not in a mood to explain signals and stuff17:22
shadeslayeraw..17:22
* shadeslayer hugs apachelogger17:22
shadeslayeri don't even know what getNewStuff is doing there17:24
afiestasbluetooth-input-helper already detects keybaords and pointers (mouses, touchpad...), next step bluetooth pairing :p18:09
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QuintasanJontheEchidna: ping20:34
QuintasanY NOONE AROUND WHEN INSANE STUFF OCCURS20:36
* bambee is still around... but not a dev20:44
skfinWut.20:45
Quintasanoh well, maybe someone broke something20:45
Quintasangotta play some games now20:45
skfinQuintasan: What awesome20:45
skfin*insane20:45
Quintasancmake is doing outrageous stuff20:46
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JontheEchidnaQuintasan: pong21:22
JontheEchidnaI was out snowblowing our road, we received another 40 cm of snow today21:23
Quintasanoh21:35
QuintasanJontheEchidna: any idea why on earth cmake calls itself with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr eventhough we set something else? http://paste.kde.org/585021:36
JontheEchidnanope :<21:39
Quintasan:/21:39
Quintasanmadness21:43
Quintasanpure madness21:43
yofelit's not like it matters anyway since later options override earlier ones21:43
* yofel does wonder where that comes from though21:43
NCommanderRiddell: you got a response!21:47
ScottKDarkwingDuck: ~Around now.22:32
ScottKRiddell: Is bindings sorted and do you still need me to do a Qt4 test build?22:33
JontheEchidnaThis is probably my biggest gripe about python: http://tinyurl.com/4ddpk8h23:06
JontheEchidnaaside from RAM usage23:06
JontheEchidnaI don't think I'll ever use the "auto" keyword in C++0x for this very reason23:07
JontheEchidnasay what you mean, for the sake of readability23:08
JontheEchidnaYou might be able to write things quickly with python, but all this time is wasted when you need to go back and change things23:09
debfxideally an ide would tell you what type it is23:09
JontheEchidna[/rant]23:10
JontheEchidnaI don't like most IDEs, their chrome seems to "get in the way" for me23:11
JontheEchidnaMSVC is about the only one that didn't annoy me, but I only used that for academic purposes23:12
JontheEchidnaMSVS, rather23:12
bambeejust use emacs, you can easily customize it to do everything :P23:13
JontheEchidnaMy IDE is Kate + Konsole23:13
* bambee hides23:13
debfxqtcreator++ :)23:13
bambeeqtcreator rocks too23:13
bambee:)23:13
bambeeyou're right23:13
debfxqtcreator's cmake integration is annoying though23:14
* yofel finds VIM + Konsole sufficient for pretty much all you want to do23:15
yofeldebfx: why?23:15
JontheEchidnacmake integration is probably why I've not adopted Qt Creator23:16
debfxyofel: it pops up a dialog whenever you change a cmake file23:16
yofeloh23:16
debfxRiddell: the qt test build failed (no space left on device ...) but you have reverted the qreal cast in debian-changes-4:4.7.1-0ubuntu11 anyway23:22
debfxany volunteers for a qt test build? :)23:22
ScottKdebfx: I should be able to build it.23:26
debfxScottK: http://paste.kde.org/5862/23:27
ScottKdebfx: That's on top of what's in Natty right now?23:30
debfxScottK: yes23:30
ScottKIf you're in kubuntu-dev I can give you access to the arm boxes I have and you can do it.23:31
debfxokay23:32
debfxapachelogger: ping23:58

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