[01:40] MSC's now using the Ubuntu Application Rating API: http://i.imgur.com/GTXoQ.png [01:40] Reviews will be less trivial :< [01:44] Fetching/parsing the data is quite easy with QJson, after you get past its lacklustre API docs [01:45] Technically the parse() function is documented, but it doesn't go in to detail as to what the QVariant it returns can contain. (and that can vary) [03:47] Riddell and (if he was here) rbelem: Isn't this the new samba patch causing the FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65100586/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdebindings_4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [06:08] ScottK: ping [06:08] Riddell: ping [06:08] apachelogger: ping [06:09] :D [07:14] DarkwingDuck: pong [07:23] uhhhw [07:23] wayland in natty [08:36] morning [09:55] why this error while creating a chroot? E: No such script: natty [10:13] c2tarun: how did you try to crate the chroot? [10:13] c2tarun: presumably you've an old version that doesn't know about natty [10:13] install the version from -updates or -backports [10:14] I linked maverick file in deboostrap/scripts folder to natty and now chroot is building :) [10:15] that's the other way to do it [10:15] Riddell: what is the other way? [10:16] c2tarun: what release are you on? [10:17] c2tarun: to install debchroot form -backports [10:17] maverick should work fine, lucid will need debootstrap from -backports [10:17] yofel: maverick [10:18] o.O [10:18] yofel: wut? we deploy the +1 configs via release now? [10:18] apachelogger: I just assumed that as there is no update for maverick [10:18] and we do know about the +1 release before release [10:21] heh, natty support was added in 1.0.24 - maverick has 23, lucid-backports 25 [10:23] it depends on what then +1 gets announced [10:24] sigh, so qt failed on arm and kdebindings filed in general [10:40] agateau: should I care about any of these missing? http://paste.kde.org/5810/ [10:58] apachelogger: did the bluedevil-git make it? [10:59] afiestas: not yet [10:59] maybe Riddell has time [10:59] I could do it earliest in some 6 hours or so [11:00] apachelogger: oks, thanks [11:00] I could, it would will the time while qt compiles on arm [11:00] afiestas: what do I need to do? [11:01] Riddell: the idea is tu uplaod a -git package to be sure that 11.04 will have bluedevil 1.1 [11:02] afiestas: git clone kde:bluedevil? [11:02] Riddell: yes [11:04] afiestas: do you know about the patch from debian to make the library private? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/bluedevil/natty/view/head:/debian/patches/01_libbluedevilaction_is_private.diff [11:05] Riddell: nope, I don't [11:07] presumably libbluedevilaction.so isn't expected to be developed against by third parties, so it shouldn't be directly in /usr/lib and shouldn't have headers installed [11:19] Riddell: have you tested the samba usershares with guest login? [11:19] Riddell: well, that is what debian people say xD [11:19] it doesn't work for me, log says: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/test failed. Permission denied [11:19] what I say is that third parties should be able to create BlueDevil plugins without having to download the entire source code [11:20] for example, NetworkManagement guys, or PIM guys [11:20] so if that patch avoid that, I don't like it [11:23] afiestas: then you need to set a proper SONAME [11:23] afiestas: in that case it needs a versioned ABI [11:24] I see, will fix that for 1.1, thanks :p [11:25] debfx: I don't get that in the log /var/log/samba/log.smbd but I can't log in [11:26] Riddell: it's in /var/log/samba/log.[hostname] [11:34] dolphin keeps asking for a password, I don't know how to make it use guest [11:37] NCommander: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2011-February/029316.html === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:11] Riddell: my share wasn't world-readable so guest login doesn't work ... [12:12] samba really needs to learn to display helpful error messages [12:38] yesterday I was watching a Mac Mini unboxing, when I noticed that Kubuntu installer is lacking something bluetooth-wise [12:39] what's it lacking? [12:39] it is lacking a way of connecting a Mouse/Keyboard without having any other input method [12:39] basically what they do is "If you have a Bluetooth mouse, set it to connecting mode now" [12:40] then, the application will stablish connectin with the first bluetooth mouse that appears [12:40] any ideas why the last qt version kind of breaks the qtopengl abi: bug #724867 [12:40] Launchpad bug 724867 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "current qtopengl breaks virtualbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724867 [12:40] and same technique with the keyboard [12:41] debfx: I'd ask what version he had and what version he downgraded to that made it work [12:41] afiestas: well we have three installers, the live session one runs bluedevil so any missing features there should be blamed on those bluedevil developers :) [12:42] Riddell: ubuntu10 breaks it, ubuntu9 works [12:42] Riddell: I can write the app, but it needs to be launched by the installers [12:42] or just before them, the workflow should be [12:43] 1-Put the CD and click install/test [12:43] afiestas: the standalone ubiquity installer will be missing it, it also misses network setup. there's a plan for adding network setup into ubiquity but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen this cycle [12:43] 2- BEFORE execute anything, execute the small "Configurator helper" [12:43] 3-The app will look if there is any mouse in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one [12:43] hmm yes, can't get to the full live session without a mouse or keyboard can you [12:44] 4-The app will look if there is any keyboard in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one [12:44] 5-The rest of the system will be launch [12:45] afiestas: sounds like just the sort of thing that needs discussed at UDS [12:45] :p no way it can make it for 11.04 right? the app is easy to do (I can even have it for today) [12:46] debfx: hum, I can't see why adding multitouch support would affect GL [12:46] afiestas: well it could get a feature freeze exception if there's a good reason [12:47] Riddell: do you think that "Be able to install with your bluetooth hardware" is a good reason? [12:47] debfx: I wonder if it's due to building with gcc 4.4 [12:48] I did notice a bunch of .symbol file changes which I then forgot to do anything about [12:48] afiestas: could be yes [12:48] Riddell: but it's only built with gcc 4.4 on armel, right? [12:49] debfx: right. so that won't be it. [12:52] Riddell: #MISSING: 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10# _ZN10QGLContext9tryVisualERK9QGLFormati@Base 4:4.7.0~rc1 [12:52] on amd64 [12:52] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/5815/ [12:52] feedback? [12:52] why didn't that fail the build? [12:52] is that an acceptable way of doing this? [12:53] afiestas: yes I'd say so, I'm not entirely sure how to run a GUI programme before ubiquity but I'm sure we can work it out [12:55] oks, then I'm going to start an standalone app to do this, that will depend on Qt and libbluedevil [12:55] if needed, I can make it depend only on Qt, but only if depending on libbluedevil is a no go [12:55] yes, depending on Qt means it can be used in ubuntu desktop for natty+1 too [12:56] debfx: mores the question, why is it missing in the first place [12:57] Riddell: oks, atm I'm going to use libbluedevil since it makes everything easier, for +1 we can remove it [12:58] this is probably a stupid question but since features freeze was yesterday... natty coding todolist is still valid ? [13:00] bambee: any features will need a feature freeze exception [13:00] bambee: the focus should be on bugfixing now [13:01] so http://goo.gl/yGhJd is more important [13:01] (and that's just the bugs I've bothered to tag and milestone) [13:01] Riddell: ok [13:01] afiestas: libbluedevil should be fine too [13:06] Riddell: ubuntu10 is built with egl support [13:07] debfx: oh? where, how, why? [13:07] something pulled in libegl1-mesa and egl is auto-detected [13:08] sneaky something [13:09] Riddell: do you still have your cloud machine to do a testbuild with -no-egl? [13:12] debfx: no but I can set one up easily === EqS is now known as EgS [13:40] debfx: I need to test this arm fix for qt, I'll do no-egl too [13:41] debfx: ubuntu@ec2-50-16-14-107.compute-1.amazonaws.com screen session [13:43] Riddell: ok, have you started a screen session? [13:43] yes === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [14:44] polkit-kde-agent crashes randomly on logout. Nobody saved the backtrace ? I remember it but I'm unable to reproduce the crash now... o_O [15:00] anyone want to do the Kubuntu turn at the release meeting today? I don't think I can make it [15:01] debfx: I'm going to go away for the weekend in a couple of hours, are you able to check that qt compile goes ok, update the .symbols files and push the packaging to bzr and get it uploaded? [15:09] Riddell: sure, can do [15:14] debfx: which? :) [15:15] Riddell: uploading qt [15:15] apachelogger: so i finally have time to finish it this weekend, i had exams all week [15:16] along with some other stuff [15:18] huh ... i suck at this game ... [15:19] Riddell: what does one do at a release meeting? :) [15:19] because i'm free for the weekend [15:22] do we care about telepathy-qt4? bug #704770 is assigned to kubuntu-dev [15:22] Launchpad bug 704770 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu Natty) "build failure with ld.gold" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704770 === hunger_ is now known as hunger [15:25] * shadeslayer looks [15:25] debfx: we should care about telepathy ... since they have a nice KDE UI coming up [15:26] holy mother of commits [15:27] http://paste.kde.org/5822 [15:27] shadeslayer: telepathy-qt4 doesn't have any rdeps at the moment [15:27] that's what happens when you don't pull everyday [15:27] debfx: no, since the KDE guys haven't made a release yet :) [15:27] debfx: i'm willing to take this up [15:28] hm I wonder why it's in main, can't find a MIR bug [15:28] debfx: debian probably has it in main, maybe that's why? [15:28] * shadeslayer checks [15:29] shadeslayer: join #ubuntu-meeting in an hour and paste the update when called [15:29] http://paste.kde.org/5823/ [15:29] aha, in maverick krdc depends on it [15:30] yes I removed the telepathy dependency there since it wasn't being used [15:30] the package should be moved to universe [15:30] shadeslayer: debian main has nothing to do with ubuntu main [15:30] Riddell: ok, should i put in a highlight for kubuntu in Quassel or will they call out my nick :P [15:31] shadeslayer: either a highlight or tell skeat at the start of the meeting to call you [15:31] oh ... right... they get put into the new queue and then someone puts it in main/universe/multiverse [15:31] ok [15:33] Riddell: btw about that MIR, i think dcmtk won't make it .... [15:33] so i'll mail upstream and gather their views :) [15:33] shadeslayer: ok thanks [15:34] :) [16:13] on running schroot I am getting chroot not found, here is my schroot.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/572225/ can anyone please help [16:15] markey: around? [16:15] yeah [16:16] sup? [16:16] markey: you have amarok from git right> [16:16] yep [16:16] markey: try opening this with amarok http://www.bbnradio.org/WindowsMediaDotComASXLinks/wmspanish.asx [16:16] ok, in a few minutes [16:16] crashes for me here [16:16] sure [16:16] listening to something here [16:16] sure :) [16:31] shadeslayer: asx crash is already reported in the bugtracker [16:31] Mamarok: yeah i was just going over the reports [16:32] shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265378 [16:32] KDE bug 265378 in Streams "Amarok crash when open an asx file [ DirectoryLoader::init]" [Crash,New] [16:32] already confirmed since some time [16:33] ah ok [16:34] some people in #kubuntu were asking :) [16:34] shadeslayer: better ask me than markey, I triage those bugs [16:34] also people should not ask in #kubuntu for 2.4-git versions [16:34] ah :D [16:34] Mamarok: er it's a bug in the release [16:34] i have it too :) [16:34] yes, I know [16:35] see the bug report [16:35] yeah i'm going through it [16:35] there are a lot of bugs in 2.4.0, many already solved [16:35] check my saved queries for already saved bugs :) [16:44] shadeslayer: give up with bug 704770 [16:44] Launchpad bug 704770 in telepathy-qt4 (Ubuntu Natty) "build failure with ld.gold" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704770 [16:44] really? [16:44] yes [16:44] any reasons? :D [16:45] Riddell has uploaded new upstream release which built fine. [16:45] ah [16:45] I closed bug. [16:45] i'm building ... and it's upto 65 % [16:45] and i was wondering why hasn't it failed yet [16:46] :) [16:55] apachelogger: around? [17:09] no [17:09] * apachelogger starts crying meanwhile [17:09] apachelogger: see #kde-devel [17:10] where is that? [17:19] http://i.imgur.com/Br4xU.png \o/ [17:19] reviews need a gui now [17:20] I doubt many people will want to look at konsole for reviews :P [17:20] haha :D [17:21] i think apachelogger is now just torturing me [17:21] :P [17:21] i *still* think my code is right [17:22] * apachelogger is depressed and not in a mood to explain signals and stuff [17:22] aw.. [17:22] * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger [17:24] i don't even know what getNewStuff is doing there [18:09] bluetooth-input-helper already detects keybaords and pointers (mouses, touchpad...), next step bluetooth pairing :p === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [20:34] JontheEchidna: ping [20:36] Y NOONE AROUND WHEN INSANE STUFF OCCURS [20:44] * bambee is still around... but not a dev [20:45] Wut. [20:45] oh well, maybe someone broke something [20:45] gotta play some games now [20:45] Quintasan: What awesome [20:45] *insane [20:46] cmake is doing outrageous stuff === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan [21:22] Quintasan: pong [21:23] I was out snowblowing our road, we received another 40 cm of snow today [21:35] oh [21:36] JontheEchidna: any idea why on earth cmake calls itself with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr eventhough we set something else? http://paste.kde.org/5850 [21:39] nope :< [21:39] :/ [21:43] madness [21:43] pure madness [21:43] it's not like it matters anyway since later options override earlier ones [21:43] * yofel does wonder where that comes from though [21:47] Riddell: you got a response! [22:32] DarkwingDuck: ~Around now. [22:33] Riddell: Is bindings sorted and do you still need me to do a Qt4 test build? [23:06] This is probably my biggest gripe about python: http://tinyurl.com/4ddpk8h [23:06] aside from RAM usage [23:07] I don't think I'll ever use the "auto" keyword in C++0x for this very reason [23:08] say what you mean, for the sake of readability [23:09] You might be able to write things quickly with python, but all this time is wasted when you need to go back and change things [23:09] ideally an ide would tell you what type it is [23:10] [/rant] [23:11] I don't like most IDEs, their chrome seems to "get in the way" for me [23:12] MSVC is about the only one that didn't annoy me, but I only used that for academic purposes [23:12] MSVS, rather [23:13] just use emacs, you can easily customize it to do everything :P [23:13] My IDE is Kate + Konsole [23:13] * bambee hides [23:13] qtcreator++ :) [23:13] qtcreator rocks too [23:13] :) [23:13] you're right [23:14] qtcreator's cmake integration is annoying though [23:15] * yofel finds VIM + Konsole sufficient for pretty much all you want to do [23:15] debfx: why? [23:16] cmake integration is probably why I've not adopted Qt Creator [23:16] yofel: it pops up a dialog whenever you change a cmake file [23:16] oh [23:22] Riddell: the qt test build failed (no space left on device ...) but you have reverted the qreal cast in debian-changes-4:4.7.1-0ubuntu11 anyway [23:22] any volunteers for a qt test build? :) [23:26] debfx: I should be able to build it. [23:27] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/5862/ [23:30] debfx: That's on top of what's in Natty right now? [23:30] ScottK: yes [23:31] If you're in kubuntu-dev I can give you access to the arm boxes I have and you can do it. [23:32] okay [23:58] apachelogger: ping