[01:40] <JontheEchidna> MSC's now using the Ubuntu Application Rating API: http://i.imgur.com/GTXoQ.png
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> Reviews will be less trivial :<
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> Fetching/parsing the data is quite easy with QJson, after you get past its lacklustre API docs
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> Technically the parse() function is documented, but it doesn't go in to detail as to what the QVariant it returns can contain. (and that can vary)
[03:47] <ScottK> Riddell and (if he was here) rbelem: Isn't this the new samba patch causing the FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65100586/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdebindings_4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:08] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: ping
[06:08] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[06:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[06:09] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pong
[07:23] <apachelogger> uhhhw
[07:23] <apachelogger> wayland in natty
[08:36] <bambee> morning
[09:55] <c2tarun> why this error while creating a chroot? E: No such script: natty
[10:13] <yofel> c2tarun: how did you try to crate the chroot?
[10:13] <Riddell> c2tarun: presumably you've an old version that doesn't know about natty
[10:13] <Riddell> install the version from -updates or -backports
[10:14] <c2tarun> I linked maverick file in deboostrap/scripts folder to natty and now chroot is building :)
[10:15] <Riddell> that's the other way to do it
[10:15] <c2tarun> Riddell: what is the other way?
[10:16] <yofel> c2tarun: what release are you on?
[10:17] <apachelogger> c2tarun: to install debchroot form -backports
[10:17] <yofel> maverick should work fine, lucid will need debootstrap from -backports
[10:17] <c2tarun> yofel: maverick
[10:18] <yofel> o.O
[10:18] <apachelogger> yofel: wut? we deploy the +1 configs via release now?
[10:18] <yofel> apachelogger: I just assumed that as there is no update for maverick
[10:18] <yofel> and we do know about the +1 release before release
[10:21] <yofel> heh, natty support was added in 1.0.24 - maverick has 23, lucid-backports 25
[10:23] <Riddell> it depends on what then +1 gets announced
[10:24] <Riddell> sigh, so qt failed on arm and kdebindings filed in general
[10:40] <Riddell> agateau: should I care about any of these missing? http://paste.kde.org/5810/
[10:58] <afiestas> apachelogger: did the bluedevil-git make it?
[10:59] <apachelogger> afiestas: not yet
[10:59] <apachelogger> maybe Riddell has time
[10:59] <apachelogger> I could do it earliest in some 6 hours or so
[11:00] <afiestas> apachelogger: oks, thanks
[11:00] <Riddell> I could, it would will the time while qt compiles on arm
[11:00] <Riddell> afiestas: what do I need to do?
[11:01] <afiestas> Riddell: the idea is tu uplaod a -git package to be sure that 11.04 will have bluedevil 1.1
[11:02] <Riddell> afiestas: git clone kde:bluedevil?
[11:02] <afiestas> Riddell: yes
[11:04] <Riddell> afiestas: do you know about the patch from debian to make the library private? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/bluedevil/natty/view/head:/debian/patches/01_libbluedevilaction_is_private.diff
[11:05] <afiestas> Riddell: nope, I don't
[11:07] <Riddell> presumably libbluedevilaction.so isn't expected to be developed against by third parties, so it shouldn't be directly in /usr/lib and shouldn't have headers installed
[11:19] <debfx> Riddell: have you tested the samba usershares with guest login?
[11:19] <afiestas> Riddell: well, that is what debian people say xD
[11:19] <debfx> it doesn't work for me, log says: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/test failed. Permission denied
[11:19] <afiestas> what I say is that third parties should be able to create BlueDevil plugins without having to download the entire source code
[11:20] <afiestas> for example, NetworkManagement guys, or PIM guys
[11:20] <afiestas> so if that patch avoid that, I don't like it
[11:23] <debfx> afiestas: then you need to set a proper SONAME
[11:23] <Riddell> afiestas: in that case it needs a versioned ABI
[11:24] <afiestas> I see, will fix that for 1.1, thanks :p
[11:25] <Riddell> debfx: I don't get that in the log /var/log/samba/log.smbd but I can't log in
[11:26] <debfx> Riddell: it's in /var/log/samba/log.[hostname]
[11:34] <Riddell> dolphin keeps asking for a password, I don't know how to make it use guest
[11:37] <Riddell> NCommander: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2011-February/029316.html
[12:11] <debfx> Riddell: my share wasn't world-readable so guest login doesn't work ...
[12:12] <debfx> samba really needs to learn to display helpful error messages
[12:38] <afiestas> yesterday I was watching a Mac Mini unboxing, when I noticed that Kubuntu installer is lacking something bluetooth-wise
[12:39] <Riddell> what's it lacking?
[12:39] <afiestas> it is lacking a way of connecting a Mouse/Keyboard without having any other input method
[12:39] <afiestas> basically what they do is "If you have a Bluetooth mouse, set it to connecting mode now"
[12:40] <afiestas> then, the application will stablish connectin with the first bluetooth mouse that appears 
[12:40] <debfx> any ideas why the last qt version kind of breaks the qtopengl abi: bug #724867
[12:40] <afiestas> and same technique with the keyboard
[12:41] <Riddell> debfx: I'd ask what version he had and what version he downgraded to that made it work
[12:41] <Riddell> afiestas: well we have three installers, the live session one runs bluedevil so any missing features there should be blamed on those bluedevil developers :)
[12:42] <debfx> Riddell: ubuntu10 breaks it, ubuntu9 works
[12:42] <afiestas> Riddell: I can write the app, but it needs to be launched by the installers
[12:42] <afiestas> or just before them, the workflow should be
[12:43] <afiestas> 1-Put the CD and click install/test
[12:43] <Riddell> afiestas: the standalone ubiquity installer will be missing it, it also misses network setup.  there's a plan for adding network setup into ubiquity but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen this cycle
[12:43] <afiestas> 2- BEFORE execute anything, execute the small "Configurator helper" 
[12:43] <afiestas> 3-The app will look if there is any mouse in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one
[12:43] <Riddell> hmm yes, can't get to the full live session without a mouse or keyboard can you
[12:44] <afiestas> 4-The app will look if there is any keyboard in the system, if not will offer a way to connect a bluetooth one
[12:44] <afiestas> 5-The rest of the system will be launch
[12:45] <Riddell> afiestas: sounds like just the sort of thing that needs discussed at UDS
[12:45] <afiestas> :p no way it can make it for 11.04 right? the app is easy to do (I can even have it for today)
[12:46] <Riddell> debfx: hum, I can't see why adding multitouch support would affect GL
[12:46] <Riddell> afiestas: well it could get a feature freeze exception if there's a good reason
[12:47] <afiestas> Riddell: do you think that "Be able to install with your bluetooth hardware" is a good reason?
[12:47] <Riddell> debfx: I wonder if it's due to building with gcc 4.4
[12:48] <Riddell> I did notice a bunch of .symbol file changes which I then forgot to do anything about
[12:48] <Riddell> afiestas: could be yes
[12:48] <debfx> Riddell: but it's only built with gcc 4.4 on armel, right?
[12:49] <Riddell> debfx: right.  so that won't be it.
[12:52] <debfx> Riddell: #MISSING: 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10# _ZN10QGLContext9tryVisualERK9QGLFormati@Base 4:4.7.0~rc1
[12:52] <debfx> on amd64
[12:52] <afiestas> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/5815/ 
[12:52] <afiestas> feedback?
[12:52] <debfx> why didn't that fail the build?
[12:52] <afiestas> is that an acceptable way of doing this?
[12:53] <Riddell> afiestas: yes I'd say so, I'm not entirely sure how to run a GUI programme before ubiquity but I'm sure we can work it out
[12:55] <afiestas> oks, then I'm going to start an standalone app to do this, that will depend on Qt and libbluedevil 
[12:55] <afiestas> if needed, I can make it depend only on Qt, but only if depending on libbluedevil is a no go
[12:55] <Riddell> yes, depending on Qt means it can be used in ubuntu desktop for natty+1 too
[12:56] <Riddell> debfx: mores the question, why is it missing in the first place
[12:57] <afiestas> Riddell: oks, atm I'm going to use libbluedevil since it makes everything easier, for +1 we can remove it
[12:58] <bambee> this is probably a stupid question but since features freeze was yesterday... natty coding todolist is still valid ?
[13:00] <Riddell> bambee: any features will need a feature freeze exception
[13:00] <Riddell> bambee: the focus should be on bugfixing now
[13:01] <Riddell> so http://goo.gl/yGhJd is more important
[13:01] <Riddell> (and that's just the bugs I've bothered to tag and milestone)
[13:01] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[13:01] <Riddell> afiestas: libbluedevil should be fine too
[13:06] <debfx> Riddell: ubuntu10 is built with egl support
[13:07] <Riddell> debfx: oh?  where, how, why?
[13:07] <debfx> something pulled in libegl1-mesa and egl is auto-detected
[13:08] <Riddell> sneaky something
[13:09] <debfx> Riddell: do you still have your cloud machine to do a testbuild with -no-egl?
[13:12] <Riddell> debfx: no but I can set one up easily
[13:40] <Riddell> debfx: I need to test this arm fix for qt, I'll do no-egl too
[13:41] <Riddell> debfx: ubuntu@ec2-50-16-14-107.compute-1.amazonaws.com  screen session
[13:43] <debfx> Riddell: ok, have you started a screen session?
[13:43] <Riddell> yes
[14:44] <bambee> polkit-kde-agent crashes randomly on logout. Nobody saved the backtrace ? I remember it but I'm unable to reproduce the crash now... o_O 
[15:00] <Riddell> anyone want to do the Kubuntu turn at the release meeting today?  I don't think I can make it
[15:01] <Riddell> debfx: I'm going to go away for the weekend in a couple of hours, are you able to check that qt compile goes ok, update the .symbols files and push the packaging to bzr and get it uploaded?
[15:09] <debfx> Riddell: sure, can do
[15:14] <Riddell> debfx: which? :)
[15:15] <debfx> Riddell: uploading qt
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i finally have time to finish it this weekend, i had exams all week
[15:16] <shadeslayer> along with some other stuff
[15:18] <shadeslayer> huh ... i suck at this game ...
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what does one do at a release meeting? :)
[15:19] <shadeslayer> because i'm free for the weekend
[15:22] <debfx> do we care about telepathy-qt4? bug #704770 is assigned to kubuntu-dev
[15:25]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:25] <shadeslayer> debfx: we should care about telepathy ... since they have a nice KDE UI coming up
[15:26] <shadeslayer> holy mother of commits
[15:27] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/5822
[15:27] <debfx> shadeslayer: telepathy-qt4 doesn't have any rdeps at the moment
[15:27] <shadeslayer> that's what happens when you don't pull everyday
[15:27] <shadeslayer> debfx: no, since the KDE guys haven't made a release yet :)
[15:27] <shadeslayer> debfx: i'm willing to take this up
[15:28] <debfx> hm I wonder why it's in main, can't find a MIR bug
[15:28] <shadeslayer> debfx: debian probably has it in main, maybe that's why?
[15:28]  * shadeslayer checks
[15:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: join #ubuntu-meeting in an hour and paste the update when called
[15:29] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/5823/
[15:29] <debfx> aha, in maverick krdc depends on it
[15:30] <Riddell> yes I removed the telepathy dependency there since it wasn't being used
[15:30] <Riddell> the package should be moved to universe
[15:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debian main has nothing to do with ubuntu main
[15:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok, should i put in a highlight for kubuntu in Quassel or will they call out my nick :P
[15:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: either a highlight or tell skeat at the start of the meeting to call you 
[15:31] <shadeslayer> oh ... right... they get put into the new queue and then someone puts it in main/universe/multiverse
[15:31] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw about that MIR, i think dcmtk won't make it .... 
[15:33] <shadeslayer> so i'll mail upstream and gather their views :)
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok thanks
[15:34] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:13] <c2tarun> on running schroot I am getting chroot not found, here is my schroot.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/572225/ can anyone please help
[16:15] <shadeslayer> markey: around?
[16:15] <markey> yeah
[16:16] <markey> sup?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> markey: you have amarok from git right>
[16:16] <markey> yep
[16:16] <shadeslayer> markey: try opening this with amarok http://www.bbnradio.org/WindowsMediaDotComASXLinks/wmspanish.asx
[16:16] <markey> ok, in a few minutes
[16:16] <shadeslayer> crashes for me here
[16:16] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:16] <markey> listening to something here
[16:16] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[16:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: asx crash is already reported in the bugtracker
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah i was just going over the reports
[16:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265378
[16:32] <Mamarok> already confirmed since some time
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ah ok 
[16:34] <shadeslayer> some people in #kubuntu were asking :)
[16:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: better ask me than markey, I triage those bugs
[16:34] <Mamarok> also people should not ask in #kubuntu for 2.4-git versions
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: er it's a bug in the release
[16:34] <shadeslayer> i have it too :)
[16:34] <Mamarok> yes, I know
[16:35] <Mamarok> see the bug report
[16:35] <shadeslayer> yeah i'm going through it 
[16:35] <Mamarok> there are a lot of bugs in 2.4.0, many already solved
[16:35] <Mamarok> check my saved queries for already saved bugs :)
[16:44] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: give up with bug 704770
[16:44] <shadeslayer> really?
[16:44] <ari-tczew> yes
[16:44] <shadeslayer> any reasons? :D
[16:45] <ari-tczew> Riddell has uploaded new upstream release which built fine.
[16:45] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:45] <ari-tczew> I closed bug.
[16:45] <shadeslayer> i'm building ... and it's upto 65 %
[16:45] <shadeslayer> and i was wondering why hasn't it failed yet
[16:46] <ari-tczew> :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[17:09] <apachelogger> no
[17:09]  * apachelogger starts crying meanwhile
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see #kde-devel
[17:10] <apachelogger> where is that?
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/Br4xU.png \o/
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> reviews need a gui now
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> I doubt many people will want to look at konsole for reviews :P
[17:20] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[17:21] <shadeslayer> i think apachelogger is now just torturing me
[17:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> i *still* think my code is right
[17:22]  * apachelogger is depressed and not in a mood to explain signals and stuff
[17:22] <shadeslayer> aw..
[17:22]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[17:24] <shadeslayer> i don't even know what getNewStuff is doing there
[18:09] <afiestas> bluetooth-input-helper already detects keybaords and pointers (mouses, touchpad...), next step bluetooth pairing :p
[20:34] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:36] <Quintasan> Y NOONE AROUND WHEN INSANE STUFF OCCURS
[20:44]  * bambee is still around... but not a dev
[20:45] <skfin> Wut.
[20:45] <Quintasan> oh well, maybe someone broke something
[20:45] <Quintasan> gotta play some games now
[20:45] <skfin> Quintasan: What awesome
[20:45] <skfin> *insane
[20:46] <Quintasan> cmake is doing outrageous stuff
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: pong
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> I was out snowblowing our road, we received another 40 cm of snow today
[21:35] <Quintasan> oh
[21:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: any idea why on earth cmake calls itself with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr eventhough we set something else? http://paste.kde.org/5850
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> nope :<
[21:39] <Quintasan> :/
[21:43] <Quintasan> madness
[21:43] <Quintasan> pure madness
[21:43] <yofel> it's not like it matters anyway since later options override earlier ones
[21:43]  * yofel does wonder where that comes from though
[21:47] <NCommander> Riddell: you got a response!
[22:32] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: ~Around now.
[22:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Is bindings sorted and do you still need me to do a Qt4 test build?
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> This is probably my biggest gripe about python: http://tinyurl.com/4ddpk8h
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> aside from RAM usage
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I'll ever use the "auto" keyword in C++0x for this very reason
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> say what you mean, for the sake of readability
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> You might be able to write things quickly with python, but all this time is wasted when you need to go back and change things
[23:09] <debfx> ideally an ide would tell you what type it is
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> [/rant]
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> I don't like most IDEs, their chrome seems to "get in the way" for me
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> MSVC is about the only one that didn't annoy me, but I only used that for academic purposes
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> MSVS, rather
[23:13] <bambee> just use emacs, you can easily customize it to do everything :P
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> My IDE is Kate + Konsole
[23:13]  * bambee hides
[23:13] <debfx> qtcreator++ :)
[23:13] <bambee> qtcreator rocks too
[23:13] <bambee> :)
[23:13] <bambee> you're right
[23:14] <debfx> qtcreator's cmake integration is annoying though
[23:15]  * yofel finds VIM + Konsole sufficient for pretty much all you want to do
[23:15] <yofel> debfx: why?
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> cmake integration is probably why I've not adopted Qt Creator
[23:16] <debfx> yofel: it pops up a dialog whenever you change a cmake file
[23:16] <yofel> oh
[23:22] <debfx> Riddell: the qt test build failed (no space left on device ...) but you have reverted the qreal cast in debian-changes-4:4.7.1-0ubuntu11 anyway
[23:22] <debfx> any volunteers for a qt test build? :)
[23:26] <ScottK> debfx: I should be able to build it.
[23:27] <debfx> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/5862/
[23:30] <ScottK> debfx: That's on top of what's in Natty right now?
[23:30] <debfx> ScottK: yes
[23:31] <ScottK> If you're in kubuntu-dev I can give you access to the arm boxes I have and you can do it.
[23:32] <debfx> okay
[23:58] <debfx> apachelogger: ping